[Wikimedia-l] 2015 strategic plan

Hi, can someone with knowledge of WMF's thinking expand on this statement from Lila? "Starting the process for our next strategic planning exercise, which will be different from last time, and focused on improving our ability to react quickly and adjust as necessary to opportunities and challen

[Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Hi all, This is a personal note to clarify a some questions that recently came up, specifically in the context of my role as the incoming ED. My partner Wil and I are partners in our private lives. We have always both been extremely independent, and we respect that in each other. That said we ha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2015 strategic plan

Am 28.05.2014 09:31 schrieb "ENWP Pine" : > > Hi, can someone with knowledge of WMF's thinking expand on this statement from Lila? > > "Starting the process for our next strategic planning exercise, which will be different from last time, and focused on improving our ability to react quickly and ad

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Chair of the Supervisory Board – the 14th WMDE General Assembly in retrospect

Liam Wyatt, 28/05/2014 08:15: I was surprised that the other major announcement - about the fundamental changes at WMDE (particularly regarding Pavel Richter) - were not discussed at all. Do you mean you feel there was insufficient response to the announcement? Maybe you should reply there. h

[Wikimedia-l] Today I became member of WMDE

Till now I had mixed feelings on the nature of Wikimedia Deutschland. On the one hand, I was (and I am) very thankful for creating one of the projects I'm active with, Wikidata, and supporting the one I most attached to, Wikisource. On the other hand, I was wary of its professionalization process a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Today I became member of WMDE

This is great, Micru! A very warm welcome, and thanks for the trust you're putting in WMDE! Best, Markus Am 28.05.2014 10:57, schrieb David Cuenca: Till now I had mixed feelings on the nature of Wikimedia Deutschland. On the one hand, I was (and I am) very thankful for creating one of the pro

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The first three weeks.

+1 Great to hearing your experience. As being a new ED too (3 months now) I can indentify myself with your experience: the first month is about listening and getting to know :) All the best for what is to come! Hope to meeting you asap! Hugs from Argentina. 2014-05-28 2:48 GMT-03:00 Nurunnaby

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

On 28/05/2014, Lila Tretikov wrote: ... > independent individual > able to speak with his own voice and ask his own questions. He does not > take direction from me. He will not work for the WMF or engage with the WMF > employees. Thanks for making these distinctions. It is sad to see that your ti

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

On 05/28/2014 08:59 AM, Fæ wrote: > A curiosity that only manifested > itself shortly after the public announcement of your employment by the > Foundation board. In all fairness, Fæ, if my spouse had been hired as the leader of a very visible and significant business or nonprofit, I too would find

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Just a personal testimonial also to emphasize Marc's point and not necessarily when I did a work for WMF as a contractor, my previous girlfriend got interesting in Wikimedia projects after she saw somethings I worked on my spare time as a volunteer. She even began to write at Wikimedia Brasil maili

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

My wife, thanks to Viisual Editor, now creates pages! On 28 May 2014 16:21, Everton Zanella Alvarenga wrote: > Just a personal testimonial also to emphasize Marc's point and not > necessarily when I did a work for WMF as a contractor, my previous > girlfriend got interesting in Wikimedia project

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

On 28 May 2014 15:04, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: ... > So that Wil's interest manifested around the time Lila was announced as > the next ED seems to me to be perfectly natural, even if I have > expressed serious concerns about *how* that interest was expressed. > -- Marc There is a big difference

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcome Rachel diCerbo, Director of Community Engagement

Welcome, Rachel. Congratulations on your new job! Birgit 2014-05-28 2:26 GMT+02:00 Erik Moeller : > Hi folks, > > It’s my great pleasure to tell you that Rachel diCerbo is joining us > as Director of Community Engagement (Product), starting today. In this > role, Rachel will manage the commun

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

My significant other applied for a grant and got 500 Wikireaders distributed to 3 schools: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Aislinn_Dewey/Distribute_WikiReaders_to_Schools/Report https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-distribute-wikireaders-and-provide-an-opportunity-for-kids-to-learn On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Hi Victor, That's great. I can't see any complaints about WMF employees in the links you provided. I am sure that we could find 100 examples of the partners of Wikimedians doing something on Wikimedia projects, it would be a great topic for "reasons why I love Wikimedia"... That is not the issue

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

On 5/28/2014 5:59 AM, Fæ wrote: On 28/05/2014, Lila Tretikov wrote: ... independent individual able to speak with his own voice and ask his own questions. He does not take direction from me. He will not work for the WMF or engage with the WMF employees. I do not really understand the point bei

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcome Rachel diCerbo, Director of Community Engagement

Welcome Rachel! On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Birgit Müller wrote: > Welcome, Rachel. Congratulations on your new job! > > Birgit > > > > > 2014-05-28 2:26 GMT+02:00 Erik Moeller : > > > Hi folks, > > > > It’s my great pleasure to tell you that Rachel diCerbo is joining us > > as Director of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

On 28 May 2014 16:55, Michael Snow wrote: > On 5/28/2014 5:59 AM, Fæ wrote: ... >> I do not really understand the point being made about not "engaging" ... > I believe the point is that Wil, in particular, will not interfere with > Wikimedia staff in carrying out their duties, assign them specific

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Thanks Michael for spelling this out further. Your understanding is correct. On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Michael Snow wrote: > On 5/28/2014 5:59 AM, Fæ wrote: > >> On 28/05/2014, Lila Tretikov wrote: >> ... >> >>> independent individual >>> able to speak with his own voice and ask his own

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Hi Fae, if you're referring to the discussion on this page, then I think I make it quite clear why I won't engage with WMF employees going forward: http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4680&start=150. To be sure, I'm not used to having anyone from Lila's team immediately emailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

A slight correction: the revision was rev-deleted by a member of the community - a member of ArbCom, in fact - and not an employee of the Foundation. Snt frm m Phn > On May 28, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Wil Sinclair wrote: > > Hi Fae, if you're referring to the discussion on this page, then I > think

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Michael Snow wrote: > If those guidelines are respected, there should be no > problem about Wil interacting with staff in an ordinary fashion. I'm sure > Wil understands this and will be careful about it, and it's also good that > Lila has said this publicly so tha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Wil Sinclair wrote: > To be sure, I'm not used to having anyone from Lila's team immediately > emailing her through their official company addresses as soon as I ask > a question in a public forum. In this case, the WMF has made it quite > clear that the IRC channe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Wil, the deletion log of the page in question is publicly visible. There are no WMF employees who have deleted anything on that page, ever. This is information you can check for yourself instead of relying on the words of others. Risker On 28 May 2014 12:23, Wil Sinclair wrote: > Hi Fae, if y

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > If you're talking about the message left on Oliver's talk page, it was > a threat by a banned user which included reference to a dream about > him where "knees were nailed to the floor from the back" and other > such lovely details. That's pre

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Thanks, I wasn't aware I could do this. I'm assuming that it would be obvious who was an employee at Wikimedia in the log, too. I posted the following to Wikipediocracy a few minutes ago: " I may have misread which page the rev was on, or I misunderstood the person who said s/he revdeleted it in t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcome Rachel diCerbo, Director of Community Engagement

Welcome Rachel! Erik (or someone else), is there a succinct description of the mission of the Community Engagement and Community Advocacy departments, and/or especially a summary of the difference between their roles? Your e-mail from December included some of this information, I'm just curious if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

On May 28, 2014 7:09 PM, "Wil Sinclair" wrote: > > Thanks, I wasn't aware I could do this. I'm assuming that it would be > obvious who was an employee at Wikimedia in the log, too. I posted the > following to Wikipediocracy a few minutes ago: > > " > I may have misread which page the rev was on, o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Wil Sinclair wrote: > Thanks, I wasn't aware I could do this. I'm assuming that it would be > obvious who was an employee at Wikimedia in the log, too. I posted the > following to Wikipediocracy a few minutes ago: > > " > I may have misread which page the rev was

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia UK report April 2014

Hello everyone, Please see below for the Wikimedia UK monthly report for April 2014. If you prefer, the report can be read on wiki here . Thanks and regards, Stevie Reports/2014/April Below is the Wikimedia UK monthly report

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Wil, if you want to use email lists for your discussions, you may find a better reception if you use one of the project- or task-specific lists. There is a page on English Wikipedia with links to mailing lists that most closely relate to that project[1] and a more extensive list at Meta that descri

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcome Rachel diCerbo, Director of Community Engagement

Hi Nathan, Succinctly, at a 30,000 foot level: The Community Engagement team (staffed with Community Liaisons and the Director of Community Engagement, Product) leads the efforts to engage the community around the development and deployment of new tools and product/features for the projects. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcome Rachel diCerbo, Director of Community Engagement

Perfect. Thanks as always Philippe for being awesome. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcome Rachel diCerbo, Director of Community Engagement

Philippe Beaudette, 28/05/2014 19:27: The descriptions of the work of each team can be found in more depth in the appendix to WMF's FDC submission. [1]. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/Wikimedia_Foundation/Proposal_form/Ongoing_work_areas#Legal_and_Community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcome Rachel diCerbo, Director of Community Engagement

Right, we did that last year. It occurred to me after I sent that that it wasn't up to date on that section, but you're quite correct. That work has now transitioned to the CE team :) pb *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Wikipedia medical entries

2014-05-28 7:42 GMT+02:00 Nurunnaby Chowdhury : > Thanks everyone. Last day when this news published i receive lots of phone > call from our journalist friend. You know all journalist just check the > news media. Not check details issue. This news found is way also on Italian media: http://www.cor

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Wikipedia medical entries

What I think is funny about this whole article and this email thread is that the quality of Wikipedia is not brought into relation with anything else. For example, I know that one of the main causes of death in the Netherlands today has to do with improper dosages of medicine, caused both by failur

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Wikipedia medical entries

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Jane Darnell wrote: > What I think is funny about this whole article and this email thread > is that the quality of Wikipedia is not brought into relation with > anything else. For example, I know that one of the main causes of > death in the Netherlands today has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Yes, that was mentioned on the Wikipediocracy thread, as well. I apologize to that person and the WMF for my misunderstanding. Other than establishing the fact that I wrongly stated that this person is a WMF employee, the revdelete doesn't seem to warrant more investigation according to existing p

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

If people don't want me to discuss this here, of course we can take it elsewhere. I only reply to this publicly to suggest that you and others help me out with that. For example, you have plenty of options beyond replying list-wide to communicate the very thing you're telling me below. As long as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Nathan, I was responding to Lila's note to clarify that I had made the decision to not discuss anything privately with any WMF employee. The IRC discussion was referenced by Fae, so I sent a link to the discussion so everyone could see what he was talking about; I will absolutely stand by my words.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Wil Sinclair wrote: > Nathan, I was responding to Lila's note to clarify that I had made the > decision to not discuss anything privately with any WMF employee. The > IRC discussion was referenced by Fae, so I sent a link to the > discussion so everyone could see

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Wil Sinclair writes: > > Thanks, I wasn't aware I could do this. I'm assuming that it would be > obvious who was an employee at Wikimedia in the log, too. Indeed you can. If you navigate to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log and enter the title of the page in the "Target (ti

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note

Thank you for the explanations, Lila, Molly, and everyone else. Wil, I happen to be waiting on an email right now so I have a few minutes to spare. If you need clarification on anything that has been said in this discussion I am happy to meet you on IRC or have a Skype conversation. I would sug

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

> > > We are all interested in hearing all sides of every story here, aren't > we? I'm starting to get the feeling that there are things that some > people on this list don't want *anyone* to discuss. Which things, and which people are you aiming at, particularly? --Martijn > After all, you >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Well, we were discussing IRC and my experience there in this thread, and many people were asking me to "wait." I find this interesting, because some on Wikipediocracy also asked me to "wait," with the significant exception that this was to "wait until I so something, then come back." In this case,

[Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

Martijn asked me which things I thought that some people on this list don't want anyone to discuss, so here are the two examples that I'm most interested in: Child Protection- I'd like to hear about ways that policy might be changed here to better protect children, especially given some of the con

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Wil, I have been following the conversation and I can feel your good-hearted nature. Please do not be offended when they say "wait" to you. They mean no harm to you, just the opposite. I know how frustrating it is to have to wait, because all of us have gone through the same... Just to give you an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Hi Will, we generally can find critics mainly from those who cannot understand or do not have patience when newbies make mistakes. Obviously I also have this problem sometimes (for this some ironic comments when I suggested in a recent topic suggesting we should criticize more kindly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Wil, On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:24 AM, Wil Sinclair wrote: As you can see there is a lot of consternation being directed your way, and at some stage, and this will teach you well for the future as well, you have to learn to walk away from the keyboard. If you can't do this, and I have a feeling y

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

I cannot believe I am saying this; but I totally agree with Russavia. Wil; why not have a go contributing to some WP articles and seeing what your experience is. We have a comment statement that gets made on flame threads, which boils down to "isn't there an article you could be writing?" Tom

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Thanks for all the pointers, Molly, and for disclosing that it was you for the sake of adding a bit more info to the discussion; you haven't done anything wrong as far as I know, and I didn't feel comfortable mentioning your IRC nick in case there were any confusion. I simply didn't get a chance to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Wil Sinclair wrote: > I'd also like to hear about specific examples of > content on Commons that a parent might not find appropriate for their > children. Wil and all, Note that all the links I am posting below are NSFW. 1. The other day I found that if a P

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Wil Sinclair writes: > I've apologized to you here and on Wikipediocracy, but apologies are > always worth doing directly and for as many to see as possible: I'm > very sorry for mistaking you for a WMF employee. I take full > responsibility for my words and actions. I hope you can forgive me.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

> > Child Protection- I'd like to hear about ways that policy might be > changed here to better protect children, especially given some of the > content on Commons. I'd also like to hear about specific examples of > content on Commons that a parent might not find appropriate for their > children. N

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Slide deck about Wikimedia?

Thank you, Federico and Jean-Frédéric. This is what I was looking for. > From: jeanfrederic.w...@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 09:31:09 +0200 > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Slide deck about Wikimedia? > > Hello, > > Hello, Where can I find recent present

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Wikipedia medical entries

> Let's not focus on what others are doing wrong, but improve on what we may > be doing wrong - that's the only thing we have most influence on in > changing. Are there spot checks by professionals in medicine, or ways to flag often-read pages for peer review? That seems like a way that experts

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The first three weeks.

It is great to hear how you are working to learn about the vast Wikimedia community, its projects, its priorities and its challenges, Lila. I'm thinking there's something else that all of us should help you celebrate as well: after only a few weeks on the job, being named to the Forbes list of th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Hello Victor: I continue to admire your persistence, and now it seems that of your partner, to fully engage in the process of bringing your considerable talent and seemingly boundless energy to making it possible for "very single human being to freely share in the sum of all knowledge." It remind

[Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

You might be interested in look at projects like http://schools-wikipedia.org/ and other "subset wikis". When I worked at One Laptop per Child we distributed a offline Wikipedia slice along with the XO-1 laptops to many schools and children. We were in fact careful to curate our offline article/i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

> Ah, this segues well into the email I was just drafting: I have to say that > I was surprised to see the contents of what appears to be an internal staff > email being brought up both on Wikipediocracy and here by a non-staff > member. Wil, can you clarify if you were copied on the email, and if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

On 29 May 2014 07:13, Thomas Morton wrote: > > > > Child Protection- I'd like to hear about ways that policy might be > > changed here to better protect children, especially given some of the > > content on Commons. I'd also like to hear about specific examples of > > content on Commons that a pa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

Sorry, the n00b has to step in with a couple of clarifications. :) I was asking about 2 separate issues, so no conflation there. Also I asked very carefully for *all* sides of the issues: "Now, I'll just sit back and hear all sides of the story." All right, back on topic! :) ,Wil On Wed, May 28

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Dear Lila, I think many of us are interested in how you will engage with the Wikimedia community, what kind of outcomes you will seek, and what kind of tactics you will employ in seeking those outcomes. Can you please clarify whether you believe it is possible for somebody with a close connection

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

On 28 May 2014 22:57, Pete Forsyth wrote: ... > Is this really the best way for the new Executive Director to be introduced > to the Wikimedia community and the world? > >- * is lucky to have people like Greg [Kohs]; even if he >never directly contributes to WP going forward, we're all wel

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

First off, I said that about Greg, and I firmly believe it. He's uncovered many controversies at Wikipedia. In fact, his article was the first to be critical of Lila's appointment, and- save the rather petty comment about airline fees at the end- was pretty on-point. That doesn't mean that I agree

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The first three weeks.

Thank you, Risker -- we do have lots of work to do :) On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Risker wrote: > It is great to hear how you are working to learn about the vast Wikimedia > community, its projects, its priorities and its challenges, Lila. > > I'm thinking there's something else that all o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Wil, you are supporting a man that thought it was a hilarious joke to call me a faggot. Not something that I am prepared to overlook, ever. I now have serious reservations about Lila's good judgement in failing to ensure you were appropriately advised, considering her critical role in the Wikimedi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2015 strategic plan

I don't think that it's meant to imply that the entire next strategic plan will focus on agility, only that one of our strategic priorities is likely to be building a greater capacity to rapidly react to unexpected developments than we've had in the past. So - reacting quickly and accurately when n

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Wil, we talked about this on IRC, so I won't repeat what I said. But what I did *not* say is that the foundation tends to let the community do what it wants, and it would be against that long-standing tradition for staff to try to force a change in the community. On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:18 PM, W

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

Please raise and discuss questions about policy on meta. This is not the place. Regards, Thyge 2014-05-28 23:54 GMT+02:00 Wil Sinclair : > Sorry, the n00b has to step in with a couple of clarifications. :) I > was asking about 2 separate issues, so no conflation there. > > Also I asked very car

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

I thought she did explain it. I act on my own behalf. I'm not introducing Lila to anyone for any purpose. Man, I am getting tired of writing that, and I can imagine that you're tired of reading it. We've both already answered this question. Everything I said about Greg there is true in *my* opinio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

I didn't know that he called you a "faggot." Could you please show me where? I mentioned I didn't agree with him on everything. I certainly would *never* agree that a slur like that is justified, if he did make it. In any case, the quote stands. Maybe we should start a separate thread on the quote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Wil Sinclair wrote: > Martijn asked me which things I thought that some people on this list > don't want anyone to discuss, so here are the two examples that I'm > most interested in: > > Child Protection- I'd like to hear about ways that policy might be > change

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Wil, ask Kohs to repeat his filth. I'm not going to do it for him. Fae On 28 May 2014 23:37, Wil Sinclair wrote: > I didn't know that he called you a "faggot." Could you please show me where? > > I mentioned I didn't agree with him on everything. I certainly would > *never* agree that a slur lik

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Wil, Have you been introduced to Jimmy Wales yet? I'd be most interested for you to take your quote about Greg Kohs to Jimmy on his talk page (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&action=edit§ion=new) and ask him if he would agree with you. Also, please note that here

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Yes, we did talk on IRC. But what are you referring to? I wasn't referring to you anywhere. I don't even remember talking about WMF's role in the community. I guess if you have a log of that part of the conversation, you should post it now. I may have a log in my own client, if you don't mind my po

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

I mean, you referred to Lila as a potential source of change in the community's problems in your email right before mine on this thread. If you meant the community of the wikis, I'm just saying that it wouldn't really be kosher according to our current practices. On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:42 PM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

All: I don't know the first thing about the alleged safety concerns discussed on IRC, but the following quote is troubling to me: On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Wil Sinclair wrote: > She replied "a WMF employee emailed me that there are safety > concerns, It seems that Wil has chosen to rep

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Greg, would you like to repeat your filth? He may need someone to post it in surrogate, since I believe he said he's banned here. ,Wil On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Fæ wrote: > Wil, ask Kohs to repeat his filth. I'm not going to do it for him. > > Fae > > On 28 May 2014 23:37, Wil Sinclair w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

You *can't* be serious. Now I'm *really* starting to get the idea that you guys just want to shut me up. And you're using the fact that I'm actually being very open about something to justify it. This is extremely worrying if everyone else on this list agrees with you. ,Wil On Wed, May 28, 2014 a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Someone already mentioned me on his talk page, and I responded. Please do paste that quote there if you think he'd be interested in it. I know he and Greg have disagreed in the past; he may offer me a different perspective on the matter. I'm interested in everyone's perspective. ,Wil On Wed, May

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

... I wish I kept more up to date on this set of threads and had stepped in to say something sooner. I'm going to go ahead and say that I agree with Pete that at this juncture the most beneficial course of action would probably be for Wil to back this set of discussions for at least a few days, if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > This is no judgment on him as a person, but I do think > we need to protect this list from further flooding. As a reminder, this list has an official "soft limit" of 30 posts per individual/month, as stated on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

I didn't really mention anything specifically, except a leader who could "change the concerning aspects of the WP community." It has been WMF's stated goal to change things like the participation of women on WP for years. I suppose it would be most accurate to say that I meant the things that the W

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Wil: nothing anyone is saying here is aimed at discrediting you, you've just jumped in to a field of landmines without a map, and we'd rather not have you blow your legs off. I'll have a private email incoming to you as fast as I can type it but given that the deputy director of the WMF and severa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

If this list chooses to block me for any amount of time, it might as well be forever. I'm responding to other people's mails here; I'd prefer to mail less as well. In any case, you'll be blocking someone for asking relevant questions and replying to relevant concerns. I think that is pretty self-e

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Ive been watching this conversation and I have to agree with Will here. These calls for banning/restriction of access to the list and admission that Wikipedia is full of "landmines" is troubling. If we have such grave problems, we should be confronting them. If Will is just stirring the pot, ig

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Hi Erik, just for guidance here- should I not publicly respond to those who have publicly address me or talked about my actions or words directly? You guys are moving in a *very* sketchy direction here. These mails are archived; it will be quite clear what everyone said before I was blocked if you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

It turns out that Lila is actually a perfect ED. Someone capable to handle and love a person like Wil is -- should be quite competent in handling the rest of the community :D On May 29, 2014 1:21 AM, "Wil Sinclair" wrote: > Hi Erik, just for guidance here- should I not publicly respond to > thos

[Wikimedia-l] Blocking Wil from this List

I'm starting a thread with the correct title, so that everyone knows that we're discussing whether I should be banned and for what reasons. ,Wil ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikim

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

I do agree that with all good faith being assumed, Wil's style of interaction is a bit new and the novelty is starting to wear off a bit. Wil is of course his own individual and beyond respecting the soft posting limits as part of this list's etiquette I do not think anyone is trying to stifle or s

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocking Wil from this List

Wil I ask this as a serious, non-snarky question; have you stepped back for a second and thought about your actions here. Some responses have been a bit tough. But I don't think you've handled yourself at all well. Imagine, for example, I came into your place of work and started asking questions.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Wil Sinclair wrote: > Hi Erik, just for guidance here- should I not publicly respond to > those who have publicly address me or talked about my actions or words > directly? Hey Wil, Pick your battles, help keep the conversation manageable, exercise restraint, tak

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2015 strategic plan

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 12:31 AM, ENWP Pine wrote: > Hi, can someone with knowledge of WMF's thinking expand on this statement > from Lila? > > "Starting the process for our next strategic planning exercise, which will > be different from last time, and focused on improving our ability to react >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

On May 29, 2014 5:33 AM, "Thyge" wrote: > > Please raise and discuss questions about policy on meta. This is not the > place. > > Regards, > Thyge > Wil, I suggest that you do go to http://meta.wikimedia.org and find pages about these issues. *Read the archives of the talk pages*. And start new d

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:37 PM, Wil Sinclair wrote: > I didn't know that he called you a "faggot." Could you please show me > where? > That post was removed from view at the time (May 2012). http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3707#p3707 What Greg had said on WO was, ---o0o---

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

Stepping in to add another aspect to both questions, as I think it might focus the discussion. Child Protection: Are children encouraged to use commons through any programs or outreach efforts of any kind? If so, is it morally and/or ethically justifiable to do so without protecting children in ev

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Hello all, Lila: Thank you kindly for these recent notes. It is wonderful to hear your thoughts on your first weeks. Wil: Working through public, logged forums is a fine principle; one that I try to follow myself. It helps avoid misunderstandings. Pete Forsyth writes: > I'd like to suggest th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

Thanks for the note, Sam. Your advice to me is very wise. I've said and seen about all that I want to, save one more post. You'll see it in the next few minutes. ,Wil On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: > Hello all, > > Lila: Thank you kindly for these recent notes. It is wonde

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