Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Content Translation office hour and online meeting on September 20, 2017 (Wednesday) at 1300 UTC

Hello Runa, Thank you for the information. Le 18/09/2017 à 11:06, Runa Bhattacharjee a écrit : This session is going to be an online discussion over Google Hangouts/Youtube with a simultaneous IRC conversation. Due to the limitation of Google Hangouts, only a limited number of participation

[Wikimedia-l] Should we plan anything regarding Mozilla’s "Talk" open-source commenting platform

Hi, I'm just discovering this blog post Mozilla and the Washington Post Are Reinventing Online Comments and thought it might worth talking about its relevancy for the Wikimedia movement. For those

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A fundraising banner we'd like to try in a short test

Well, I'm not skilled in marketing, but maybe being ugly and annoyingly large is part of the "pay attention" driving force. Regarding the format, as said I'm not sikilled in the domain, so my opinion surely doesn't worth much. The good old vertical banner is definitely simpler, so it might be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The other side of the crisis at WMFR

Saluton Samuel kaj ĉiuj, Le 23/11/2017 à 22:39, Samuel Klein a écrit : On Nov 23, 2017 2:55 PM, "Emeric Vallespi" wrote: the Wikimedia community protect itself and its members by harassing and defaming people who question Please don't turn it to a inaccurate "us

[Wikimedia-l] Legal status of Wikimeida lists [Was: Re: The other side of the crisis at WMFR]

Saluton ĉiuj, Le 23/11/2017 à 20:54, Emeric Vallespi a écrit : I think it was important to re-explain all those points so that the community, which is - again - unnecessarily taken as witness, is not deceived by a scenario built from scratch. Again, to discredit the movement by such erroneous

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking for advises regarding a public conference about the Wikimedia movement on the topic "Dissemination of Knowledge: What Limits" [Fwd: Re: Conférence Wikipédia]

. gaps (gender, racial…), both in term of article coverage and in rate of contributors. Cheers Le 08/11/2017 à 09:00, mathieu stumpf guntz a écrit : Le 08/11/2017 à 02:52, Devouard (gmail) a écrit : Le 07/11/2017 à 16:22, mathieu stumpf guntz a écrit : Saluton ĉiuj, Your fellow wikimedian

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking for advises regarding a public conference about the Wikimedia movement on the topic "Dissemination of Knowledge: What Limits" [Fwd: Re: Conférence Wikipédia]

more reusable, while I don't see any cost at allowing the matching file extension. Le 08/11/2017 à 09:00, mathieu stumpf guntz a écrit : Le 08/11/2017 à 02:52, Devouard (gmail) a écrit : Le 07/11/2017 à 16:22, mathieu stumpf guntz a écrit : Saluton ĉiuj, Your fellow wikimedian was invited

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] non-technical community wish: Invitational essay authorship contest

Saluton, To my mind, this whole discussion doesn't make any sense as it is all grounded on suspect hypotheses. First, what do you call an essay? I think that for such a work the author must instill selfness in it. As say Montaigne

[Wikimedia-l] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Saluton ĉiuj, I forward here the message I initially posted on the Meta Tremendous Wiktionary User Group talk page , because I'm interested to have a wider

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Saluton Nicolas, Le 30/11/2017 à 00:23, Nicolas VIGNERON a écrit : Mathieu, I know you and like you personally, that why I can say that this mail is clearly not your best argument. Despite saying multiple times this is not a manifesto nor against Wikidata, your mail seems clearly fuelled

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Hello Markus, First rest assured that any feedback provided will be integrated in the research project on the topic with proper references, including this email. It might not come before beginning of next week however, as I'm already more than fully booked until then. But once again it's on a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking for advises regarding a public conference about the Wikimedia movement on the topic "Dissemination of Knowledge: What Limits" [Fwd: Re: Conférence Wikipédia]

, you have still a few hours. Le 26/11/2017 à 23:40, Gergő Tisza a écrit : On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 8:32 AM, mathieu stumpf guntz < psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote: Also I'm wondering where I could find the nice blue or green background that I see used in many first page of Wik

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Experimental onion service for all Wikimedia projects set up by Alec Muffett

Then, if it's not a too big maintance burden, what about proposing both solution? Our users already pay extremely huge loading time for some feature like visual editing, but the far faster wikitext editor is still there for those who are happier with that. Le 24/11/2017 à 19:37, Tilman

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Le 30/11/2017 à 11:04, Amir E. Aharoni a écrit : 2017-11-30 11:46 GMT+02:00 mathieu stumpf guntz < psychosl...@culture-libre.org>: promises of Wikidata team regarding respect of licenses can not be trusted. So even if they suggested that that kind of massive import won't be done, it wo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Wikidata. I welcome any reference to this discussions. And possibly next time provide a TL;DR version of your email at the top. Ok, thank you for this suggestion, I'll do that. Cheers, L. Il 29 nov 2017 22:46, "Mathieu Stumpf Guntz" <psychosl...@culture-libre.org <mailto:psy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Le 30/11/2017 à 10:13, Egon Willighagen a écrit : Dear Mathieu, On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Mathieu Stumpf Guntz <psychosl...@culture-libre.org <mailto:psychosl...@culture-libre.org>> wrote: I forward here the message I initially posted on the Meta Tremendous Wik

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

paradigm where our community is no longer useful for them, or even in direct competition with what they are targeting but under a closed garden paradigm. Aubrey On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: 2017-11-30 11:46 GMT+02:00 mathi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Hi Leila, First, thank you for your clear analyze and suggestions. I won't respond extensively on list about this thread anymore for now. So to your reply, I will just make a single point more clear, and take the rest in consideration off list. Le 01/12/2017 à 22:49, Leila Zia a écrit :

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Dear Leila Le 02/12/2017 à 21:48, Leila Zia a écrit : [I apologize for the longish response, and I will do what I can to take the rest of this offlist as needed. I just see a couple of places where I need to add more explanation.] Then I feel somewhat bond to respond too. But too make it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Le 01/12/2017 à 05:51, John Erling Blad a écrit : My reference was to in-place discussions at WMDE, not the open meetings with Markus. Each week we had an open demo where Markus usually attended. As I remember the May-discussion, it was just a discussion in the office, there was a reference to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

are compatibles, although Scribunto modules might help for most trivial cases. However all in all that would be probably a far more complex solution than the previous one. It's complicated, mathieu Le 30/11/2017 à 13:07, Luca Martinelli a écrit : Il 30 nov 2017 13:02, "mathieu stumpf guntz"

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

atter here. The question is whether you are willing to comply with the exigence of transparency that the Wikimedia movement is attached to, on a topic which directly impact its governance and future on a large scale. Kind regards, mathieu Kind regards, Markus On 01.12.2017 03:43, mathieu stumpf

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of Esra’a Al Shafei to Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

Hi Chistian, and others First congratulation to Esra’a Al Shafei. Le 02/12/2017 à 05:31, Cristian Consonni a écrit : I agree with the idea that occupying a high-profile position and trying to limit one's own exposure are conflicting goals, but I am sure that this was very carefully. I feel

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Botswana

Great, congratulations to Community User Group Botswana, and all my wish of many successes for you coming projects. Kind regards Le 15/12/2017 à 15:52, Samuel Patton a écrit : Awesome! Congratulations and welcome. On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Kirill Lokshin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] non-technical community wish: Invitational essay authorship contest

Where does this idea come from, especially the topic selected? How "the best" will be determined, and by who? What the goal of this proposal in the first place? Le 21/11/2017 à 10:52, James Salsman a écrit : The Wikipedia Education Program is shared by both the Wikimedia Foundation and the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking for advises regarding a public conference about the Wikimedia movement on the topic "Dissemination of Knowledge: What Limits" [Fwd: Re: Conférence Wikipédia]

Le 08/11/2017 à 02:52, Devouard (gmail) a écrit : Le 07/11/2017 à 16:22, mathieu stumpf guntz a écrit : Saluton ĉiuj, Your fellow wikimedian was invited to present the Wikimedia movement in a conference organized by "Association des Masters en Économie de Strasbourg", which

[Wikimedia-l] Looking for advises regarding a public conference about the Wikimedia movement on the topic "Dissemination of Knowledge: What Limits" [Fwd: Re: Conférence Wikipédia]

-- Message transféré Sujet : Re: Conférence Wikipédia Date : Wed, 1 Nov 2017 06:54:55 +0100 De :Amélie BARBIER-GAUCHARD <abarb...@unistra.fr> Pour : mathieu stumpf guntz <psychosl...@culture-libre.org> Copie à : AMES Strasbourg <ames.strasbo...@gmail.c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement under DMCA attack!

Thank Chico and Henrique for your reports and related links. I encourage both of you to document further this topic. But as the mailing list format might quickly turn it into a flameware, to avoid list moderators some disagreeable work, you could preferably find more suited place to develop

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tool to help reaching community consensus

On 12/07/2017 04:51 AM, mathieu stumpf guntz wrote: Loomio offers free use for community cases. But it's non-free software, as far as I can see, but I didn't made deep inquiry. So I wondered if anyone was aware of a free software equivalent. Loomio is free software, it's licensed under the GNU

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tool to help reaching community consensus

Le 07/12/2017 à 18:12, Denny Vrandečić a écrit : Mathieu, you wrote Despite the fact that reaching community consensus is an easy task, I just wanted to check whether that was a typo, irony, or actually meant that way. In the latter case, I would like to ask for {{cn}}. Sorry, some

[Wikimedia-l] Tool to help reaching community consensus

Saluton ĉiuj, Despite the fact that reaching community consensus is an easy task, I'm nonetheless wasting time at looking for tools which might help achieve that. I just red /4 simplaj ideoj por direkti vian komunumon al interkonsento/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tool to help reaching community consensus

Le 07/12/2017 à 14:17, Philippe Beaudette a écrit : Other than mediawiki, with some extensions? I'm not trying to be snarky, but there's not a ton on that page that can't be done with mediawiki. :-) :) But, do you have specific extensions in mind? I didn't test loomio actually, but it is

[Wikimedia-l] Wikidata and CC0 [was Re: what made me happy this week]

Thank you Léa for the link, I seize the opportunity to also ask anyone who have links related to Wikidata and the choice of CC0 as license for this project. What Wikidata already achieved and its further possibilities is very attractive to me. But so far CC0 is a far more repulsive point.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Berkman Klein Center: Will Wikipedia exist in, 20 years?

good (in terms of spelling, etc.). If someone is eager to review them, I'm happy to upload them. Cheers Cornelius On 25 October 2017 at 16:39, Asaf Bartov <asaf.bar...@gmail.com <mailto:asaf.bar...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 11:32 PM mathieu stumpf guntz &l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Berkman Klein Center: Will Wikipedia exist in, 20 years?

Hi Andreas, I would find interesting to have a copy of that video on Commons. It might for example let the community use curration/translation facilities of subtitles of our platform. According to the bottomline "Unless otherwise noted this site and its contents are licensed under a Creative

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Berkman Klein Center: Will Wikipedia exist in, 20 years?

it to Esperanto — and the more obscure French language. ;) Ĝis baldaŭ Le 24/10/2017 à 22:08, Asaf Bartov a écrit : On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 7:20 PM Cristian Consonni <crist...@balist.es> wrote: On 24/10/2017 17:39, mathieu stumpf guntz wrote: I would find interesting to have a copy of that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Hi James, I fail to see the relation between Erik message and you answer. I have huge doubt that Mandarin will eclipse English anytime soon. Despite the Confucius institutes growing everywhere in the world, as far as my narrow knowledge of the world goes, PRC doesn't seem to aim exporting

[Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

Hello everybody, There is a phabricator ticket on Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata that you might be interested to look at and participate in. As Denny suggested in the ticket to give it more visibility through the discussion on the Wikidata

[Wikimedia-l] Kio faras vin feliĉan tiu semajno? / What's making you happy this week?

Viki amas amon, Wiki loves love, विकी प्यार को प्यार करता है, ويكي تهوى الحب, and you can find it already translated in more than 50 languages on the corresponding Wikidata Q52286144 item , all that in less than four days. Seeing so much effort to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Kio faras vin feliĉan tiu semajno? / What's making you happy this week?

Ah, the rendering is not that great in full text, for those interesting, here is a HTML version: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Psychoslave/Wiki_loves_love/wikimedia-l_announce Le 01/05/2018 à 22:29, mathieu stumpf guntz a écrit : Viki amas amon, Wiki loves love, विकी प्यार को प्यार

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Movement Strategy: Endorse the strategic direction today! #wikimedia2030

Thank you Yaroslav. I copied the matching section to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction/Endorsement/Concerns I also added a link to that page in the endorsement page, and began some sorting, including support/neutral/oppose for individuals (groups only

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Movement Strategy: Endorse the strategic direction today! #wikimedia2030

Well, it might be clear in your mind Yaroslav, but Fæ point is that is not clear at all in the answer of Nicole. So she might seize the question to make it perfectly clear or just let it in a fuzzy state which would give more credit to your point of view. Thus said, while I do share concerns

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Berkman Klein Center: Will Wikipedia exist in, 20 years?

SJ for advancing the conversation and promoting the video. I felt inspired also so I started an article on English Wikipedia. On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote: I've added them. Cheers Cornelius On 26 October 2017 at 11:13, mathieu s

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Movement Strategy: Endorse the strategic direction today! #wikimedia2030

Le 27/10/2017 à 16:57, Nicole Ebber a écrit : Hello again, I have taken the unclear wording from the meta page. As I said, no one will be excluded from phase 2 conversations. I would also like to point out that this endorsement page is intended to work like a show of approval and support

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Duty of care

Hi Renée, https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_Handbook and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Support_and_Safety might be a start for your research. Cheers Le 27/01/2018 à 13:22, Renée Bagslint a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

Le 09/02/2018 à 22:57, Chris Koerner a écrit : As for the usefulness of this mailing list I can only speak for myself. I work remotely. I have conditioned into me from previous experiences not to send frivolous single-sentence replies. However in my experience within the movement, these sort

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wikimedians of North American Indigenous Languages User Group

This is a great news, thank you Kirill, and all member of this group for their work of unvaluable importance regarding language diversity. Are they any plane to collect traditional tales and songs in addition to Lingua Libre sessions? By the way, I see we have Atikamekw

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimedia vs. NSA

Thank you Katherine for the update. For Greg, I would like to know if there are some international courts in which this could also lead to a lawsuit. I'm thinking to the International Court of Justice, or the Inter-American Court of Human Rights, as I guess something like European Court of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strategy Report Released: Wikimedia 2030: Wikimedia’s role in shaping the future of the information commons

Hi Caitlin, Thank you for this email, and thank to everybody implicated for the creation of this report. Could we put a version on meta and make it translatable? Or am I alone to think it would make sense? Cheers Le 13/02/2018 à 02:20, Caitlin Virtue a écrit : (Apologies for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

Hi, Le 19/05/2018 à 03:35, Denny Vrandečić a écrit : Regarding attribution, commonly it is assumed that you have to respect it transitively. That is one of the reasons a license that requires BY sucks so hard for data: unlike with text, the attribution requirements grow very quickly. It is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

Hi, Le 18/05/2018 à 19:45, Info WorldUniversity a écrit : At a Wikimedia conference in early 2017, with Lydia and Dario present, I think I learned that all books / WikiCitations in all 301 of Wikipedia languages could be licensed, or heading to be licensed, with CC-0 licensing -

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Facebook Linked in some of Wikimedia projects

Saluton, Can we actually have a link to a page with a concrete example so we can judge this factually? Vikiame Le 28/02/2018 à 20:43, Asaf Bartov a écrit : Facebook is a de-facto major venue of communication for a great majority of Internet users. Many communities, user groups, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Facebook Linked in some of Wikimedia projects

Le 28/02/2018 à 20:44, Dariusz Jemielniak a écrit : My personal preference is to NOT link to Facebook. I think they use the energy of people enough already. However, I also think it is up to local communities to decide what works for them best, there is no "one size fits all" here, IMHO Sure,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

translating new ones. This would solve the problem of choosing what to translate though would leave problems about the perspective contents are created. Vito 2018-02-27 12:31 GMT+01:00 Amir E. Aharoni <amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il>: 2018-02-27 13:00 GMT+02:00 mathieu stumpf guntz < psychosl...

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Facebook Linked in some of Wikimedia projects

, mathieu stumpf guntz < psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote: Saluton, Can we actually have a link to a page with a concrete example so we can judge this factually? Vikiame Le 28/02/2018 à 20:43, Asaf Bartov a écrit : Facebook is a de-facto major venue of communication for a great ma

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Social: non-profit social networking service ?

Le 10/04/2018 à 11:03, David Cuenca Tudela a écrit : Regarding the question if the WMF should build a social network for the masses, I don't think it should. A general purpose social network is mainly used for sharing personal events, viral stories, cat pictures, and so on. It does not offer

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikisource IRC 2018

Hello Ananth, I'm sorry I missed this meeting. Is there a log of this conversation or some minutes somewhere? I found nothing related in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/IRC Cheers Le 15/02/2018 à 16:49, Ananth Subray a écrit : Dear All, Firstly I would like to thank you for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 18 February 2018)

What's making me happy this week is joining the "Telegrafo" discussion for ELISo and I also just found Six Degrees of Wikipedia . Le 18/02/2018 à 23:12, Pine W a écrit : What's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 18 February 2018)

Yes, that's a great milestone, congratulation and thank you to all people which made that possible! Le 22/02/2018 à 20:09, Lionel Allorge a écrit : Hi, What is making me happy this week is the start of the 3D models uploads in Commons:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

Le 24/02/2018 à 18:08, Vi to a écrit : *finally I think paid translators would hardly turn into stable Wikipedians. I think this misses an important point that is, we don't need the initial translator to turn into a sustaining editor, we need the article to evolve with call to action

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

I'm not against the idea of paid translation /per se/, but it shouldn't be managed by the WMF, should it be only to ensure that it doesn't cross too far the line of non-intervention regarding editorial decisions. Debate can go on to which level it stands with this line, but to my mind WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] knowing English is a privilege (was Re: Paid translation)

Le 02/03/2018 à 00:46, Jean-Philippe Béland a écrit : I think this is à propos in this discussion about how authoritative can be the Wiktionary... here a scientific article starts by using a definition from the Wiktionary:

[Wikimedia-l] Disseminated outreach material and archive considerations [Was: Re: About Facebook Linked in some of Wikimedia projects]

Actually, I don't see this things as necessarily incompatible options. If Mastodon have bridges to other platform such as Facebook then it would in fact even a way to gather effort and reaching both networks. On the other hand if there is not such a bridge, then it will add resource

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

Le 27/02/2018 à 18:51, Jean-Philippe Béland a écrit : Amir, I agree with everything you said, especially that languages are knowledge in themselves, but I must say that Wikimedia is not doing much in an effort to teach languages to people. Why isn't there more effort at the WMF or as a movement

Re: [Wikimedia-l] #WeMissTurkey social media campaign

Hello Zachary, First, thank you and all people involved for this great initiative. There are two points for which I would be happy to have more information about. The first one is about the state of censorship in Turkey, not only regarding each Wikimedia project, but also for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in the Wikimedia movement: Conversations with communities

Great, thank you Maria. Will there also be some room for feedback from women who don't want to express with their faces bare? I would also appreciate to know if any similar initiative is already in the pipe for other people that might face discremination issues such as LGBT+[1],  Asperger