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'...As it is, three already busy committee members are the main editors.' !! ;-) (ps. I think Andrew's post sort of has cause and effect a bit bassackwards ;-) I see it this way - if engaging and growing membership is a priority then lowering the bar for engagement is a good thing. I have ha

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2009/12/14 Liam Wyatt > If we hope to get more grassroots involvement in the chapter then IMO we > cannot force people to pay $40 and register an account before they can > engage in chapter activities. Volunteers should not be forced to pay money > to volunteer. Why is it assumed that "voluntee

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This might be silly, but can you set it so that IPs and non-members can only edit pages in the Talk: space or something? That would allow discussion to occur around important issues while keeping the integrity of things like the minutes and the constitution protected. Of course as Angela said the

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On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 02:05:42PM +1100, Liam Wyatt wrote: > It seems there are a variety of arguments that have now been put forward > against opening up editing to non-members: > > * "It's a member benefit" - I think we all agree that this is no longer held > as a valid claim. IIRC this was the

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It seems there are a variety of arguments that have now been put forward against opening up editing to non-members: * "It's a member benefit" - I think we all agree that this is no longer held as a valid claim. IIRC this was the SOLE reason why we didn't have open editing to start with, but no mat

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There has been a lot of discussion about the official wiki and who should be able to edit it. This is in response to the whole debate, so I have not kept any other comments. This wiki is the official wiki. It is how we present ourselves, not just to members, but to prospective members, to regulato

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On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:15:35PM +1030, Karl Goetz wrote: > On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:57:02 +1100 > Brian Salter-Duke wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:09:58AM +1100, Peter Halasz wrote: > > > So lock those specific pages. Have you ever used Wikipedia? Do you > > > think it would exist if th

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On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:45:40 +1100 Virtual Steve wrote: > > As the new treasurer of the Wiki-Aus I have been reading this > discussion with some interest and I now make the following comment. Congrats on your election then! > I am in support of Sarah's continual point that only financial > mem

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On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:57:02 +1100 Brian Salter-Duke wrote: > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:09:58AM +1100, Peter Halasz wrote: > > So lock those specific pages. Have you ever used Wikipedia? Do you > > think it would exist if they were worried only about representation? > > I will try to respond to

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On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:15:56 +1100 Peter Halasz wrote: > Sarah, > > The only actual reason you've given for not opening up the wiki to > non-members is because of fear of vandalism. > > Ok, so we have a problem: Potential vandalism. > > Solutions? > > 1. Actually observe actual vandalism befo

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urs on this list, which is essentially open to the public anyway. Someone else replied to this, so I'll go with 'what they said'. > Cheers, > > Craig I've replied to the following email inline as well. > From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org > [mai

[Wikimediaau-l] Official Wiki

As the new treasurer of the Wiki-Aus I have been reading this discussion with some interest and I now make the following comment. I am in support of Sarah's continual point that only financial members should be able to edit the official wiki for many reasons, however the below snippet from Andr

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ion occurs on this list, which is >> essentially open to the public anyway. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Craig >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: >> wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.or

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media.org] *On Behalf Of *Andrew > *Sent:* Saturday, 12 December 2009 9:38 AM > *To:* Wikimedia-au > *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] official wiki > > > > At the end of the day, and I think this is a point that isn't well > understood because we have a foot on both sides of the

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on't really see that as a problem since most of the communication and discussion occurs on this list, which is essentially open to the public anyway. Cheers, Craig From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrew

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2009/12/12 Liam Wyatt > Peter (Halasz), um... your last post is probably not helpful. I happen to > agree with you that it is a good idea to make the chapter Wiki more open to > editing. However, this is a discussion about the > validity/importance/appropriateness of doing so and making inflammat

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On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:09:58AM +1100, Peter Halasz wrote: > So lock those specific pages. Have you ever used Wikipedia? Do you > think it would exist if they were worried only about representation? I will try to respond to this debate, wearing my hat as Public Officer of WMAU later, but for no

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Peter (Halasz), um... your last post is probably not helpful. I happen to agree with you that it is a good idea to make the chapter Wiki more open to editing. However, this is a discussion about the validity/importance/appropriateness of doing so and making inflammatory statements risks you falling

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I'm not sure why there's an assumption that edits by members are trustworthy (and edits by others are not). Since anyone can become a member, it's not reasonable to expect none of them will ever do anything bad on the wiki. And you're going to have a problem blocking them from the wiki if editing t

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Omg the terrorists are coming! They are armed with web browsers of mass destruction and are going to change our constitution to say jimmy wales is a poo! ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman

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You are charging volunteers to help you. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l

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So lock those specific pages. Have you ever used Wikipedia? Do you think it would exist if they were worried only about representation? ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedi

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That is called "framing the question". Of course *that* kind of participation would be unproblematic. But let's not forget the minutes, resolutions and official activities of the chapter are hosted there, along with our Statement of Purpose and etc. Like I said, as a non-profit organisation we have

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You think that by opening the wiki up to users with autoconfirmed email addresses, so that they might put themselves down as attending an event, we are at risk of being "misrepresented" and "discredited"? I'm sorry I'm not bothering to participate in this conversation any longer. Peter Halasz Use

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Here's my reasons for why ordinary people (i.e. non-members) just might like to edit the site from the last time this discussion was had: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Lloyd Nguyen wrote: I think I have to ask, what kind of things could/would a non-member edit on the site? They migh

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(Note that my comments above are addressed to a hypothetical situation of open editing, not the current situation which is manageable by any objective standard.) 2009/12/12 Andrew > At the end of the day, and I think this is a point that isn't well > understood because we have a foot on both sid

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At the end of the day, and I think this is a point that isn't well understood because we have a foot on both sides of the border, this is the official wiki for a non profit organisation. The wiki's set up in such a way that those that are willing to support the aims of the organisation can edit fre

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Sarah, The only actual reason you've given for not opening up the wiki to non-members is because of fear of vandalism. Ok, so we have a problem: Potential vandalism. Solutions? 1. Actually observe actual vandalism before locking anything down. 2. Assign a couple of people to patrolling recent c

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re : 'I though that Wikimedia is built on a philopsy of anyone can edit, surely promoting that philopsy is the aim of the chapter. Wouldnt it be wise for Wikimedia-Australia to hold that as corner stone of its purpose. Does anyone think that the goals and ideals "which we hold dear" should not be w

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On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sarah Ewart wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Gnangarra wrote: > >> >> 2009/12/11 Liam Wyatt >> >>> One disadvantage of this would be that one of the promoted benefits of >>> membership (being able to edit the wiki) is no longer exclusive. >>> >> >> Se

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Just to clarify my previous email, when I said: "The Wikimedia Foundation's own website is invitation only, as is the internal wiki, the Chapter's wiki, the OTRS wiki, the ArbCom wiki, etc." The Chapters wiki I was referring to was not our wiki but the Chapters wiki on the Wikimedia Switzerland dom

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On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Gnangarra wrote: > > > 2009/12/11 Liam Wyatt > >> One disadvantage of this would be that one of the promoted benefits of >> membership (being able to edit the wiki) is no longer exclusive. >> > > Seriously is this a benefit, > whats the wiki for > why would anyon

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2009/12/11 Liam Wyatt > One disadvantage of this would be that one of the promoted benefits of > membership (being able to edit the wiki) is no longer exclusive. > Seriously is this a benefit, whats the wiki for why would anyone join up just to edit the wiki > > From a personal point of view

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Re planning activities - there doesn't seem much evidence of the meetup pages being used for planning of any kind at present. Most of the meetup pages are deadzones, with only Sydney having any recent editing activity whatsoever (Melbourne and Canberra both show their August meetups as being "next"

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I too would like to see the chapter wiki being used more, especially for planning IRL events. Perhaps the issue is not so much that the "Billabong" isn't the right place but that (as mentioned) it's not used by many people as yet - this is largely a factor of the relatively low number of people who

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I assume it's the same with our wiki though I haven't actually checked myself, but usually editing the MediaWiki interface pages requires admin rights. We really don't want people stuffing around at will with the main interface. I also agree with Andrew about the Billabong page. It's meant to be a

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I don't think it's a good idea to remove it - we want to get more member participation happening in 2010, and there simply wasn't the scope for that in 2009, hence why it wasn't utilised. cheers Andrew 2009/12/11 K. Peachey > Yes it is possible to edit it, for details: > " To edit the navigatio

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Yes it is possible to edit it, for details: " To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see ." ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wi

[Wikimediaau-l] official wiki

Just wondering if it's possible to edit the left hand side menu at all? See http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Talk:Billabong - I think it's probably better not to prominently link to areas which aren't currently in use. I'm actually quite curious as to how the left hand menu is in fact created - is it e