Re: [Wikimediach-l] Rumantsch Grischun
On 3/14/06, Gion Hosang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hoi Manuel Es hat noch niemand damit angefangen. Wir sammeln alle Übersetzungen im Wikimedia CH-Wiki, daher bietet es sich für Dich an hier loszulegen: Na dann lege ich los. Ich werde die fertige Übersetzung dann ins Netz stellen. Wunderbar, herzlichen Dank. Die Seite ist jetzt verlinkt. Gruss Gruss Michael Gion ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Rumantsch Grischun - summary for non-german-speakers
Hello, just as a summary for the thread Rumantsch Grischun in German: Gion has mentioned his intention to translate our bylaws into Rumantsch Grischun and he will post them afterwards at [[Bylaws/Rm]]. By the way, is there anybody who would translate the bylaws into French, as Emanuel had to give back the mandate? -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Rumantsch Grischun - summary for non-german-speakers
Ok, it's very complicated :( I will ask to a translation center (I have some friends) to have a look to the translations made by ourselves. I can have this verification without costs for Wikimedia CH. Almost this (informal) verification could arrange a lists of ambiguities before the Wikimedia CH kich-off. Ilario On 3/15/06, Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/15/06, Ilario Valdelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO there is no problem. The master document should be the english version because it is the document approved by international board. I think that if there are differences between the german and the english version the correct version should be the english one. We can do this like this, but then we need to once more carefully scan the english version because it should definitely say the same as the original (to avoid errors due to translation). Because the german one is the one approved at Zurich-meeting. Frederic, if you need some help i the translation you can ask to me. Regards Regards Michael Ilario On 3/15/06, Frederic Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Bimmler wrote: By the way, is there anybody who would translate the bylaws into French, as Emanuel had to give back the mandate? I could do it, but only starting from the English version... it may not be a good idea to translate from a translation, but it may be better than nothing. Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
Looking at the latest changes on the CH wiki... is it on purpose that the current resolutions look as formal as a UN Security Council resolution ? RESOLVED... AND... FURTHER RESOLVED... so proposed on the fifteenth of March 2006. I know it is borderline to hairsplitting, but this makes the whole thing look very bureaucratic, especially given that there no formal entity yet... Could we do with friendlier texts, please ? Also, do we really need to protect the pages ? We all know that even if changes are made after a resolution has been accepted, they can be reverted. The reason I am asking this (in addition to the general principle that we should only protect pages if needed) is that there are several typos on the page Board/Resolutions/2006/02 that I was ready to correct. Last, but not least... this resolution says that Wikimedia CH shall have its seat in Zurich. Does that mean until a President is elected, or is there a change to the proposed bylaws ? Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Rumantsch Grischun - summaryfor non-german-speakers
Fine, it seems that we're soonable topost the bylaws in all 5 languages! Hopefully, this means the beginning of areally plurilingual association that we're aiming to become. From:Frederic Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:Mailing list for Wikimedia Swizerland wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.orgTo:Mailing list for Wikimedia Swizerland wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.orgSubject:Re: [Wikimediach-l] Rumantsch Grischun - summaryfor non-german-speakersDate:Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:05:22 +0100Ilario Valdelli wrote: IMHO there is no problem. The master document should be the english version because it is the document approved by international board.I have a first question. Article 1 says"The association will be named "Wikimedia CH" Verein zur FörderungFreien Wissens (Wikimedia CH Association for the advancement of freeknowledge)".What is the _formal_ name ? It it only "Wikimedia CH" (as indicated bythe quotes), and which would look like the correct name to me (languageneutral) ? In this case, the following text is descriptive and we shouldprobably put the English version first.Related question: any objection if I replace all occurences of "Verein"by "Association" in the text ? There is no point having a German word inthe text when there is a corresponding English word. Frederic, if you need some help i the translation you can ask to me.I should be ok, starting from the English version, but it would be goodto have someone to compare the French and German versions afterwards tolook for inconsistencies. I could do that as soon as you have finished your translation. Thanks for your work in advance!Frédéric___Wikimediach-l mailing listWikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l Patrick K. ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
I agree with Frederic I know that several actions must be done BEFORE the real foundation, but I still do not see why we need a special post address BEFORE the foundation - and even after the foundation, since we do not expect a bunch of mail. And as long there is no founded association, we all (= all of this mailing list? At least all persons, who are willing to help for this project) could be charged personally for things you do now. I am also not very happy with the naming and wording. Resolution, the numbers and the used words sound really strange, such as they are created by the UN or some crooked lawyers. Why can't the articles be named like Decision Technic / Decision Postal Adress and inside a simple list of decisions, that were done...? And at least - as far as I know, there is no consensus about the location of the address (Zürich vs. Berne vs. Olten vs. Geneva vs. Hintertupfingen) - so why this haste? Just asking Jürg Wolf Zitat von Frederic Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Looking at the latest changes on the CH wiki... is it on purpose that the current resolutions look as formal as a UN Security Council resolution ? RESOLVED... AND... FURTHER RESOLVED... so proposed on the fifteenth of March 2006. I know it is borderline to hairsplitting, but this makes the whole thing look very bureaucratic, especially given that there no formal entity yet... Could we do with friendlier texts, please ? Also, do we really need to protect the pages ? We all know that even if changes are made after a resolution has been accepted, they can be reverted. The reason I am asking this (in addition to the general principle that we should only protect pages if needed) is that there are several typos on the page Board/Resolutions/2006/02 that I was ready to correct. Last, but not least... this resolution says that Wikimedia CH shall have its seat in Zurich. Does that mean until a President is elected, or is there a change to the proposed bylaws ? Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
Hi together, just some words why such resolutions (or name them how you'd like) are necessary: I know that several actions must be done BEFORE the real foundation, but I still do not see why we need a special post address BEFORE the foundation - and even after the foundation, since we do not expect a bunch of mail. And as long there is no founded association, we all (= all of this mailing list? At least all persons, who are willing to help for this project) could be charged personally for things you do now. The thing is, that there are legal actions that have to be done now in preparation of the founding of Wikimedia CH and the Wikipedia Day, such as registering / transfering domain names (wikipedia.ch, wikimedia.ch etc.), contracts which have to been placed (webhosting, server and ressources) which require a postal mail adress. These stuff has also been discussed on this mailing list. And at least - as far as I know, there is no consensus about the location of the address (Zürich vs. Berne vs. Olten vs. Geneva vs. Hintertupfingen) - so why this haste? Right, as we decided to get a redirection adress we could choose any adress within switzerland - no matter where the receiver (= president) actually will be situated. So for that I would prefer Bern (as Bundesstadt) or Luzern (as central metropolis). Greets, Manuel -- - All-Things-Open Projektgruppe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.all-things-open.org/ --- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM d-- s:- a? C++$ UL P+ L+++$ E- W+++$ N+ o-- K- w--$ O+ M+ V PS+ PE- Y+ PGP+ t 5 X R UF !tv b+ DI D+ G+ e h r y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
Looking at the latest changes on the CH wiki... is it on purpose that the current resolutions look as formal as a UN Security Council resolution ? RESOLVED... AND... FURTHER RESOLVED... so proposed on the fifteenth of March 2006. I know it is borderline to hairsplitting, but this makes the whole thing look very bureaucratic, especially given that there no formal entity yet... Could we do with friendlier texts, please ? For me it seems as a ticketing tool language :) Also, do we really need to protect the pages ? We all know that even if changes are made after a resolution has been accepted, they can be reverted. The reason I am asking this (in addition to the general principle that we should only protect pages if needed) is that there are several typos on the page Board/Resolutions/2006/02 that I was ready to correct. I don't undestand. Do you mean that pages are blocked to no-sysop members? It seems to have a sense because when a board (or preliminary board) take a decision it's important to communicate this decision (also with grammatical errors). If a no-board person makes a change with unintentional misanderstandigs, the communication could be different. What do you think if a person change your sandbox or correct your discussion page changing the sense of your sentences? Last, but not least... this resolution says that Wikimedia CH shall have its seat in Zurich. Does that mean until a President is elected, or is there a change to the proposed bylaws ? There was a discussion same months ago and the most part of swiss wikipedians seemed to accept that the seat of foundation was in a town more central for all swiss people (like Zurich). It could be that this resolution is connected with this discussion. Regards Ilario ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
Lugano - the sunny capital :) On 3/15/06, Jürg Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So there are even other cities possible: * Zurich - the economic capital of CH * Berne - the political capital of CH of home affairs * Geneva - the political capital of CH of foreign affairs * Lucerne - the touristic capital of CH * Jungfraujoch - another touristic capital (indian view) * Olten - the capital of traffic * Rütli - the historic capital * so how should we proceed? Is it also foreseen to open a bank account? And if - in which place? And when? In whose name? At which bank? Jürg Zitat von Manuel Schneider [Everything Open] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi together, just some words why such resolutions (or name them how you'd like) are necessary: I know that several actions must be done BEFORE the real foundation, but I still do not see why we need a special post address BEFORE the foundation - and even after the foundation, since we do not expect a bunch of mail. And as long there is no founded association, we all (= all of this mailing list? At least all persons, who are willing to help for this project) could be charged personally for things you do now. The thing is, that there are legal actions that have to be done now in preparation of the founding of Wikimedia CH and the Wikipedia Day, such as registering / transfering domain names (wikipedia.ch, wikimedia.ch etc.), contracts which have to been placed (webhosting, server and ressources) which require a postal mail adress. These stuff has also been discussed on this mailing list. And at least - as far as I know, there is no consensus about the location of the address (Zürich vs. Berne vs. Olten vs. Geneva vs. Hintertupfingen) - so why this haste? Right, as we decided to get a redirection adress we could choose any adress within switzerland - no matter where the receiver (= president) actually will be situated. So for that I would prefer Bern (as Bundesstadt) or Luzern (as central metropolis). Greets, Manuel -- - All-Things-Open Projektgruppe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.all-things-open.org/ ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
Manuel Schneider [Everything Open] wrote: The thing is, that there are legal actions that have to be done now in preparation of the founding of Wikimedia CH and the Wikipedia Day, such as registering / transfering domain names (wikipedia.ch, wikimedia.ch etc.), contracts which have to been placed (webhosting, server and ressources) which require a postal mail adress. Note that before the association is officially created, there can be no contract in its name, no legal action in its name, no nothing -- it does not exist. Any action that is taken before that is done only in the name of the person who does it. Which is probably why the resolutions are a bit baffling. We can have minutes indicating which decisions have been taken, sure, no problem. Something along the lines of After discussion on the mailing-list, we have decided that the mail will go to here. Such and such will take care of it as secretary until the formal creation of the association, etc... Not something that sounds legal without being so. As for the actual postal mail address, I must admit that I personaly do not care at all about where Wikimedia CH mail goes to, it could be Tolochenaz, Hasle Bei Burgdorf, S-Chanf, Ascona, or whatever... Cheers, Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
Jürg Wolf wrote: Is it also foreseen to open a bank account? And if - in which place? And when? In whose name? At which bank? When: not before the association is created. One needs a copy of the bylaws, and the minutes of the first general meeting to open an account (specifying who has access to the account). Which bank: Postfinance looks like a good option to me, if only because it is easy to give a postal account number to anyone for donations, such as 12-345678-9, instead of having to say Bank such and such, account A-BCDEFGH-I. All the associations I know of use a Yellow account as their main accounts. In which place: does not make a difference, especially for postfinance which is all around Switzerland Whose name: Wikimedia CH, with signature from 2 board members required to access the account. Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
Ilario Valdelli wrote: I don't undestand. Do you mean that pages are blocked to no-sysop members? It seems to have a sense because when a board (or preliminary board) take a decision it's important to communicate this decision (also with grammatical errors). If a no-board person makes a change with unintentional misanderstandigs, the communication could be different. Of course, your argument makes perfect sense. But being an association that promotes Wikipedia and other Wiki-based projects, I would like to think that we can do without the permanent protections, only with a banner saying This is a resolution voted by the board, and should not be modified anymore. This allows us to send outside a message such as: look, we really believe in this wiki thing, all our stuff is managed by a Wiki, anyone can edit it, and it works. Of course, we are watching the pages, and if you do something silly, we'll reverse your edits, block you and/or protect the page. What do you think if a person change your sandbox or correct your discussion page changing the sense of your sentences? Well... not much really. My discussion page is not protected; if it happens, I reverse the change and warn the person on its talk page. What do you do ? Last, but not least... this resolution says that Wikimedia CH shall have its seat in Zurich. Does that mean until a President is elected, or is there a change to the proposed bylaws ? There was a discussion same months ago and the most part of swiss wikipedians seemed to accept that the seat of foundation was in a town more central for all swiss people (like Zurich). It could be that this resolution is connected with this discussion. My questions arises from the fact that I started to look at the bylaws in order to translate them in French, and §1.2 says that the seat of the association (note that a Foundation is something very different from the legal point of view) is where the President live, so I was wondering how it fits with this resolution that says Zürich ? Best, Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
Which bank: Postfinance looks like a good option to me, if only because it is easy to give a postal account number to anyone for donations, such as 12-345678-9, instead of having to say Bank such and such, account A-BCDEFGH-I. All the associations I know of use a Yellow account as their main accounts. It seems good, it is easy to have paying-in slips and the yellownet (online) it's very easy to use. Ilario ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
Of course, your argument makes perfect sense. But being an association that promotes Wikipedia and other Wiki-based projects, I would like to think that we can do without the permanent protections, only with a banner saying This is a resolution voted by the board, and should not be modified anymore. This allows us to send outside a message such as: look, we really believe in this wiki thing, all our stuff is managed by a Wiki, anyone can edit it, and it works. Of course, we are watching the pages, and if you do something silly, we'll reverse your edits, block you and/or protect the page. The funcionalities are different. Same pages are collaboratives pages, same pages are service pages. In Wikipedia we have a lot of pages that are collaborative pages, but also a lot of pages that are service pages and are not modifiable by no-sysop users (i.e. Home Page). If we think that the pages that you analyze are service pages, the block could be correct, if we think that these are collaborative pages it isn't. I am with your opinion, if persons accept the possibility of rollback without long discussions :) My questions arises from the fact that I started to look at the bylaws in order to translate them in French, and §1.2 says that the seat of the association (note that a Foundation is something very different from the legal point of view) is where the President live, so I was wondering how it fits with this resolution that says Zürich ? I think that this point is salomonic decision to avoid discussions (happily Swiss has not a big and predominant town). Also italian wikimedia has taken the same decision. In any case the financial seat could be different. Regards Ilario ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
Now there seems to be a big discussion going on here and I would like to clarify a few points as the resolutions come from me and Nando: 1. Why we need resolutions: a) We want to create as soon as a wikimedia.ch, which is intended for the public. We want to stop using ch.wikimedia.org, because (and this is a position of Wikimedia Germany) it is no good, when content and things from chapters are on foundation servers, because this makes legally the foundation responsible for what we, as Wikimedia CH, are doing, and this should be avoided, cf. Tron-case. So, we need to have wikimedia.ch for public, members.wikimedia.ch for members and board.wikimedia.ch for internal board communication (instead of a extra board-ml) when WIkimedia CH is founded. Actually, we want the wikimedia.ch-homepage already as soon as possible, because if we're in discussions with sponsors, donors, patrons etc. prior to Wikipedia Day, we must be able to say, look, there is at www.wikimedia.ch a nice description of our verein. And, we cannot wait until Wikimedia CH is somewhen founded and then have a homepage in 1-2 days... So Manuel will need to register the domain etc. and for this a resolution is needed (see below for more reasoning about resolutions in general). For registering the domain, he also needs an adress, which leads me to point b b) We need an adress. I think nobody will say, that we can handle everything per email. And, we don't want, that each time somebody is talking to an outsider he has to use his own adress. Because then some people have as contact Nando, others Manuel, other Jürg, others Ilario, others me and so on. This gets complicated so. Okay, and that's why we need a general adress. As has been outlined and discussed on this mailing list, the Feste Vereinsadresse provided by the post, seems to be the best thing. Well, and why should we wait to open this adress, as we actually need it already now, see point a... I talked via OTRS to the post (I even sent part of their answer to the ml) and, after further correspondence, they told me, that the person who opens the adress has to bring with him a protocol or a board resolutions enabling him to do so. As we don't have a meeting soon, and we can't bring them a print of a long mailing-list-thread, Nando and I have made a board resolution. 2. Why the board makes this resolutions. Actually, I didn't remember, that a preliminary board (this is my personal translation of kommisarischer Vorstand) exists, however Manuel told me, that Nando and I have been appointed/nominated/whatever to be this until the foundation. Now, you can't say, that we have been to active until now. However, we have seen, as broadly outlined in point 1, that sometimes, formal resolutions are needed, particularly when dealing with official or semi-official things. Now you have hopefully remarked, that I always posted the resolutions and the amendmends to them to this very mailinglist and I invited people to make comments here. I did not really expect any opposition to the first resolution but if anything had been mentioned I would have been very happy to discuss this here and to change the resolution if it's the opinion of the majority. But nobody said anything and I assumed, that people could live with the first resolution. As far as the second resolutions is concerned, I have made a draft and asked Nando what he thinks about it. Now at this point I would have asked at this mailinglist, if people are okay with it, as important things as the seat are concerned but obviously somebody has seen Nando's approval before me and this is also good so, because it shows that the wiki forces transparency. 3. About the formal language. I have discussed this matter some days ago in IRC with Jean-Baptiste Soufron, the legal coordinator/advisor of the foundation and he told me, that some formal requirements need to be there (e.g. when mandates are terminated etc.) because of the legal validity. The exact terminology like resolved etc. is mostly a product of the moment and I have no problem with changing this, as long as the proposed alternatives are legally ok. 4. About page protection We have a wiki. A wiki means everybody can edit, at Wikimedia CH only people logged in. But, there are 2 reasons which are imho pro blocking some pages: a)www.wikimedia.ch, which is redirecting to our wiki, is mentioned at the bottom of the Weltwoche article about us and therefore people of the public might surf to our website. We don't really want them to see some vandalism at the first page, the main page, do we? So therefore I blocked the main page. b) the german bylaws have been approved by the meeting. They are definitive and are also base of the translations. Therefore I blocked them, because it needs to be ensured, that people know, that this is the stable version. I once thought of blocking en-translation too, because they are now reviewed by ChapCom, so there must be a stable version too. However I didn't protect them then,
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
I'm sorry for my recent postings because they were a bit sarcastic a maybe not clearly defaced as zynical. My opinion in this whole thing is: 1) If our preliminary board thinks, we need a special postal address - I'm OK with it because I don't have the whole view. And on the meeting last year we gave you the mandate and the power to operate towards the swiss chapter. And that's what you did. As far as I know, we had not a clear consesus about the Vereinsadresse on this ML and I wondered, why it popped up out of the blue with nearly fixed details. I'm also fine with Zürich, but I couldn't remember a consensus in this question. 2) Many thanks to Michael for his very good explanation. You maybe were a bit too impressed by the thing, that it must be lawyer-proof. But remember - it must be lawyer-proof for swiss lawyers and not for US lawyers... ;-) 3) So for swiss legal reasons a simple protocol should be enough. So you also could use a normal wording such as: Decisions done at a virtual meeting done by M. Bimmler, N. Stöcklin: * Wikimedia CH needs for several reasons a post mail address. Therefore we organize a Feste Vereinsadresse offered by Swiss Post. The proposed address is Wikimedia CH, 8000 Zürich, Switzerland. To get it we need a resolution of the preliminary board (which is constitued by the persons mentioned above), a place in CH and a delivery address. ** The needed resolution is this document ** The place on the Vereinsadresse is Zürich but is still a subject of discussion ** The delivery address is the address of Michael Bimmler as it seems, that he gets the secretary job of the association. * As soon as the association is founded, this resolution must be confirmed by the elected board. * The costs of this action will be payed by but can be reclaimed after the foundation of the association. Zürich, 15. 3. 2006 The Preliminary Board of Wikimedia CH Michael Bimmler, Nando Stöcklin I hope that in board meetings of the elected board a similar wording is used and not a US-lawyer wording. Jürg -- Zitat von Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Now there seems to be a big discussion going on here and I would like to clarify a few points as the resolutions come from me and Nando: ... ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Translation
Am I correct in thinking that ff. in ein Verein gemäss Artikel 60 ff. des Schweizerischen Zivilgesetzbuches. means and following ? Frederic ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
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Am 16.03.06 schrieb Frederic Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am I correct in thinking that ff. in ein Verein gemäss Artikel 60 ff. des Schweizerischen Zivilgesetzbuches.means and following ? Yes, this is correct. Nando ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
2006/3/15, Jürg Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My opinion in this whole thing is:1) If our preliminary board thinks, we need a special postal address - I'm OKwith it because I don't have the whole view. And on the meeting last year wegave you the mandate and the power to operate towards the swiss chapter. And that's what you did.As far as I know, we had not a clear consesus about the Vereinsadresse on thisML and I wondered, why it popped up out of the blue with nearly fixed details.I'm also fine with Zürich, but I couldn't remember a consensus in this question. The Thread was: http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikimediach-l/2006-January/000168.html The votes were: *Berne: Manuel, Gatto Nero *Zurich: Michael, Robin, Ilario, Nando *Zug: Ilario *Lucerne: Ilario So, it was not a clear consensus, but two third of the voters preferred Zurich. But of course, we need to change our bylaws to fix this point. So, if somebody is not fine with Zurich, just let us know as soon as possible. Nando ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Board resolutions
Thanks Michael! 4. About page protectionWe have a wiki. A wiki means everybody can edit, at Wikimedia CH only people logged in.But, there are 2 reasons which are imho pro blocking some pages:a)www.wikimedia.ch, which is redirecting to our wiki, is mentioned atthe bottom of the Weltwoche article about us and therefore people of the public might surf to our website. We don't really want them to seesome vandalism at the first page, the main page, do we? So therefore Iblocked the main page.b) the german bylaws have been approved by the meeting. They are definitive and are also base of the translations. Therefore I blockedthem, because it needs to be ensured, that people know, that this isthe stable version. I once thought of blocking en-translation too,because they are now reviewed by ChapCom, so there must be a stable version too. However I didn't protect them then, because we might wantto correct typing mistakes et al. The other translations areunprotected at the moment.c)The resolutions are quite official documents. As they are now under discussion, I wanted that everybody sees the version we, Nando and I,decided on, to ensure that everybody is speaking about the same thing. In the future, we could mark the resolutions as draft and keep them open until they are discussed on this mailinglist. What do you think? Nando-- Nando StöcklinChratzernstr. 334803 VordemwaldSchweiz0041 (0)62 751 39 42 (P) http://www.nandostoecklin.chMit bereits über 600 Artikeln: Indianer-Wiki - die freie Enzyklopädie über die Indianer. http://www.indianer-wiki.org ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
