Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] additions - Indian Languages question
Dear Tejaswini and Friends, It is an interesting and pertinent issue. I do completely concur with Tejaswini on the problem of 'using philological classifications and terminology'. However, it will be interesting to track the history of how we have ended up with the term 'Indic', in the computing context. Do friends on the list know of any history of computing terms and how 'Indic' has come to be used? Would be useful if any body can shed light on this and let us also put this up on Wikipedia. The Wiktionary entry for 'Indic' is here https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Indic Look forward to more conversations on this. Regards, Vishnu On 14 February 2013 09:34, Tejaswini Niranjana t...@cscs.res.in wrote: Correction: by Dravidian language in Pakistan I suppose you meant Brahui, which has a couple of million speakers. Doesn't appear to be much writing in the language though. We will have to find out more. And one more comment on your suggestion about using 'Indic-Dravidian': do remember that we have several languages in the north-east which are part of neither of these groupings, since they are from the Tibeto-Burman family of languages! This is what I meant by the problem of using philological classifications and terminology. TN On 13 February 2013 18:38, Tejaswini Niranjana t...@cscs.res.in wrote: Hi Niraj, Thanks for engaging with this difficult question. I think we may have to look at sizeable populations speaking a certain language while deciding how to classify where it is spoken. I was surprised to see your remark that Dravidian languages are spoken in Pakistan. I was not aware of this fact, and would like to know if it is the odd speaker who happens to live or work there, or there are good-sized populations speaking Kannada or Telugu for example. As for your suggestion about a combination name like Indic-Dravidian, that still falls into the philological problems that using 'Indic' alone does,and doesn't necessarily make the term more inclusive. So I think we will have to keep discussing this issue for some more time! Tejaswini On 11 February 2013 13:59, Niraj Suryawanshi niraj.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Mam, I understand appreciate the depth of thought process and inputs put behind this question about use of words *Indian* or *Indic*. I'm very much convinced since all the languages we are considering belong to different classes and categories, geographically and origin wise too, and needs to be labeled under a common name! But if we consider the label Indian languages, which specifies the origin and use of the same in India, there are many languages which are predominantly used not only in India but also in the other surrounding counties eg. Bangla (Indic Language, Indo-Aryan) which is used in India, Bangladesh Burma. And many other Dravidian Languages which are thought to be specifically South Indian languages are used in neighboring eastern countries like Pakistan too. This question will arise every time when we have to specify Indian Language or Indic Languages for any given reason. How about the combination of names of both different language families so that the language set wont be distributed with respect to the current territorial boundaries but with regards to their origin and a proper classification depending upon the origin/birth. viz *Indic - Dravidian Languages* This was my personal view over the query, you can always correct me if I'm misleading. - Regards Thanks, Niraj Suryawanshi on behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune +91 814 992 0120 | niraj.suryawan...@gmail.com -- View this message in context: http://wikimedia.7.n6.nabble.com/Indian-Languages-question-tp4996015p4996021.html Sent from the WikiMedia India mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Tejaswini Niranjana, PhD Lead Researcher - Higher Education Innovation and Research Applications (HEIRA) Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS) Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS) Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute of Science (CCS-IISc) t: 91-80-26730476, 26730967, 26730268 f: 91-80-26730722 http://heira.in www.cscs.res.in -- Tejaswini Niranjana, PhD Lead Researcher - Higher Education Innovation and Research Applications (HEIRA) Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS) Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS) Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute of Science (CCS-IISc) t: 91-80-26730476, 26730967, 26730268 f: 91-80-26730722 http://heira.in www.cscs.res.in ___
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13
Dear Theo, On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: 1) I can't seem to understand the rationale behind hiring academicians here at all. There was no rationale behind hiring academics. It just happens that two of the three people that the recruitment committee selected turned out to be academics. The other finalist was not an academic. Your organization chose researchers and academicians but the job requirement was and is, for a management person to oversee and direct a team. We did not choose. The recruitment committee chose. I don't think either of the candidates present that kind of expertise. Their field of reference is narrow to begin with, limited to the discipline of their speciality, add to that how little exposure they have to Wikipedia or similar online culture - this doesn't sound like remotely a good fit. - this fact was actually the first point that made me think other interests were put ahead of the Job requirements. We did not have enough Wikipedians applying. I am sure the Recruitment Committee would have gone with a Wikipedian if there had been enough applications from the community. I have been a Free Software activist for the last 10 years. I have contributed to national policy formulation and practice w.r.t. Free Software, Open Standards and Open Content in multiple countries including Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Moldova and Tajikistan. But I have never submitted a line of code to any Free Software project. Similarly, I believe that those who don't edit Wikipedia can also make significant contributions to the Wikipedia movement. Best wishes, Sunil ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Chapters] Wiki Loves Earth
India Chapter should organize one like this. Oh wait, you need cash first. Sorry. Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:58:43 +0400 From: srik.r...@wikimedia.in To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Chapters] Wiki Loves Earth For your information: -- Forwarded message -- From: Євген Букет bu...@wikimediaukraine.org.ua Date: Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:54 AM Subject: [Chapters] Wiki Loves Earth To: Dimce Grozdanoski dimce.grozdano...@gmail.com, tomasz.kozlow...@wikimedia.pl, i...@wikibilim.kz, gyo...@wikimedia.org, bu...@wikimedia.org.ph, s...@wikimedia.ru, mede...@wikimedia.ru, abar...@wikimedia.org, chapt...@wikimedia.ch, jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk, johannes.r...@wikimedia.de, le...@wikimedia.no, Yuri Perohanych direc...@wikimediaukraine.org.ua FYI, Wikimedia Ukraine is initiating a new photo contest – “Wiki Loves Earth”, its goal being collecting pictures of Ukraine Natural Heritage sites and Landscape and Ornamental Gardening objects for illustrating articles in the worldwide free Internet encyclopedia Wikipedia. Everybody can take part in the competition. A registration on Wikimedia Commons (one of many Wikipedia sister projects) is required. You are to find in the list of natural heritage objects the ones you know of, take a picture of them yourself (it could be done anytime, previously or starting now) and upload them to Commons (during April 15 – May 15, 2013). The authors of the best pictures will be awarded with prizes. The results announcement and the awarding ceremony will be held in Kyiv, on June 5, 2013, on the World Environment Day. The Organizational Committee has already started preparation work on the competition list, and almost 8 000 of entries are to be included there. Nature reserves, landscape parks, protected areas, natural heritage sites, botanical (dendrological), zoological gardens and parks, and ornamenting gardening objects will be in the list. Yuri Perohanych, Wikimedia Ukraine Executive Director, said that this photo contest will draw the society’s attention to the existing problems of Ukraine natural heritage protection, and the contest itself is to show the perspectives of green/eco tourism in Ukraine. As Yevhen Buket, the contest coordinator, pointed out, the idea to initiate such a competition has arisen after conducting a successful international photo contest Wiki Loves Monuments in Ukraine this September. The goal of the contest was collecting pictures of cultural heritage monuments of Ukraine. Wikimedia Ukraine invited Ministry of Ecology and Natural Resources of Ukraine, environmental organizations, as well as donors and sponsors, to help with the organization of the competition and contribute to the contest prize fund.More information in Ukrainian: http://ua.wikimedia.org/wiki/ВЛЗ-Best regards, Yevhen Buket, WM UA ___ Chapters mailing list chapt...@wikimedia.ch https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/chapters -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive CommitteeWikimedia Chapter [India] Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter today ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Dear Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer, On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer rednosedr...@hotmail.com wrote: Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave people like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think? We have been publishing the monthly bulletin since the beginning of the grant period. On most months Noopur has fwded the bulletin to this mailing list. See: 1. September 2012: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2012-October/008763.html 2. October 2012: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2012-November/008826.html - We made a mistake and did not make a mention of the size of the grant in this edition. 3. November 2012: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2012-December/008977.html 4. We seem to have missed out on distributing the December bulletin to this mailing list. 5. January 2013: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-February/009249.html We will continue to publish the bulletin on a monthly basis. Do tell us how we can improve the format and content of this newsletter. Best wishes, Sunil ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] additions - Indian Languages question
It is by 1877 that the Europeans started studying and classifying the scripts of oriental languages especially, South Asian and East Asian. Probably Holle did the first attempt of cataloging the Sanskrit and its apparently descending languages within the Indian subcontinent and beyond. Please see this informative document which also points to the changes that may have occurred to these scripts due to social reasons. http://home.gwu.edu/~kuipers/kuipers%20insular%20seasia%20scripts.pdf -Viswam On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Vishnu t visdav...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Tejaswini and Friends, It is an interesting and pertinent issue. I do completely concur with Tejaswini on the problem of 'using philological classifications and terminology'. However, it will be interesting to track the history of how we have ended up with the term 'Indic', in the computing context. Do friends on the list know of any history of computing terms and how 'Indic' has come to be used? Would be useful if any body can shed light on this and let us also put this up on Wikipedia. The Wiktionary entry for 'Indic' is here https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Indic Look forward to more conversations on this. Regards, Vishnu On 14 February 2013 09:34, Tejaswini Niranjana t...@cscs.res.in wrote: Correction: by Dravidian language in Pakistan I suppose you meant Brahui, which has a couple of million speakers. Doesn't appear to be much writing in the language though. We will have to find out more. And one more comment on your suggestion about using 'Indic-Dravidian': do remember that we have several languages in the north-east which are part of neither of these groupings, since they are from the Tibeto-Burman family of languages! This is what I meant by the problem of using philological classifications and terminology. TN ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] additions - Indian Languages question
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Vishnu t visdav...@gmail.com wrote: However, it will be interesting to track the history of how we have ended up with the term 'Indic', Why will this be an interesting activity ? -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] additions - Indian Languages question
I don't know the actual history of the term 'Indic'. However, I know pieces of it and why it's a bad idea to use the term. 1. The languages spoken in India are from very diverse language families with very different origins. The biggest group as of now is the Indo-Aryan subfamily of Indo-European. Dravidian languages are the next most spoken family of languages. Other languages belong to Austro-asiatic and Tibeto-Burman families. Some languages are language isolates. 2. The reasons why the term Indic would have been applied are the following (I speculate here): a) due to a number of cognates that exist due to centuries of substratum and ad stratum influence or false cognates that exist in any two languages, people mistakenly think of them as one family. b) there's a prevalent mistaken belief about Sanskrit as a mother language of all languages (in India and elsewhere!). Saying Bengali came from Sanskrit is like saying chicken came out of crocodiles. Saying Konkani came out of Sanskrit is like saying whales evolved from sharks. c) there's one genuine reason, which is that, aside from the evolution of the languages themselves, scripts evolved in a more convergent fashion (not 100%). 3. Why is it not good to refer to all languages spoken in India as Indic languages? a) The term Indic specifically referred to a certain sub family of languages. b) People then tend lump together tools. The biggest casualty so far is the way unicode inherited inscript and messed up Tamil and Malayalam scripts for once. 4) Wherever possible, the accurate and unambiguous phrase languages spoken in India shall be used. - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture From: Vishnu t visdav...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] additions - Indian Languages question Dear Tejaswini and Friends, It is an interesting and pertinent issue. I do completely concur with Tejaswini on the problem of 'using philological classifications and terminology'. However, it will be interesting to track the history of how we have ended up with the term 'Indic', in the computing context. Do friends on the list know of any history of computing terms and how 'Indic' has come to be used? Would be useful if any body can shed light on this and let us also put this up on Wikipedia. The Wiktionary entry for 'Indic' is here https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Indic Look forward to more conversations on this. Regards, Vishnu On 14 February 2013 09:34, Tejaswini Niranjana t...@cscs.res.in wrote: Correction: by Dravidian language in Pakistan I suppose you meant Brahui, which has a couple of million speakers. Doesn't appear to be much writing in the language though. We will have to find out more. And one more comment on your suggestion about using 'Indic-Dravidian': do remember that we have several languages in the north-east which are part of neither of these groupings, since they are from the Tibeto-Burman family of languages! This is what I meant by the problem of using philological classifications and terminology. TN On 13 February 2013 18:38, Tejaswini Niranjana t...@cscs.res.in wrote: Hi Niraj, Thanks for engaging with this difficult question. I think we may have to look at sizeable populations speaking a certain language while deciding how to classify where it is spoken. I was surprised to see your remark that Dravidian languages are spoken in Pakistan. I was not aware of this fact, and would like to know if it is the odd speaker who happens to live or work there, or there are good-sized populations speaking Kannada or Telugu for example. As for your suggestion about a combination name like Indic-Dravidian, that still falls into the philological problems that using 'Indic' alone does,and doesn't necessarily make the term more inclusive. So I think we will have to keep discussing this issue for some more time! Tejaswini On 11 February 2013 13:59, Niraj Suryawanshi niraj.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Mam, I understand appreciate the depth of thought process and inputs put behind this question about use of words *Indian* or *Indic*. I'm very much convinced since all the languages we are considering belong to different classes and categories, geographically and origin wise too, and needs to be labeled under a common name! But if we consider the label Indian languages, which specifies the origin and use of the same in India, there are many languages which are predominantly used not only in India but also in the other surrounding counties eg. Bangla (Indic Language, Indo-Aryan) which is used in India, Bangladesh Burma. And many other Dravidian Languages which are thought to be
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] additions - Indian Languages question
I just notice that Tejaswini's original email addresses these points. Sorry for coming late to the party and posting on this thread. Excuse me as I'm unable to follow the discussions here regularly. - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture From: BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.com To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] additions - Indian Languages question I don't know the actual history of the term 'Indic'. However, I know pieces of it and why it's a bad idea to use the term. 1. The languages spoken in India are from very diverse language families with very different origins. The biggest group as of now is the Indo-Aryan subfamily of Indo-European. Dravidian languages are the next most spoken family of languages. Other languages belong to Austro-asiatic and Tibeto-Burman families. Some languages are language isolates. 2. The reasons why the term Indic would have been applied are the following (I speculate here): a) due to a number of cognates that exist due to centuries of substratum and ad stratum influence or false cognates that exist in any two languages, people mistakenly think of them as one family. b) there's a prevalent mistaken belief about Sanskrit as a mother language of all languages (in India and elsewhere!). Saying Bengali came from Sanskrit is like saying chicken came out of crocodiles. Saying Konkani came out of Sanskrit is like saying whales evolved from sharks. c) there's one genuine reason, which is that, aside from the evolution of the languages themselves, scripts evolved in a more convergent fashion (not 100%). 3. Why is it not good to refer to all languages spoken in India as Indic languages? a) The term Indic specifically referred to a certain sub family of languages. b) People then tend lump together tools. The biggest casualty so far is the way unicode inherited inscript and messed up Tamil and Malayalam scripts for once. 4) Wherever possible, the accurate and unambiguous phrase languages spoken in India shall be used. - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture From: Vishnu t visdav...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] additions - Indian Languages question Dear Tejaswini and Friends, It is an interesting and pertinent issue. I do completely concur with Tejaswini on the problem of 'using philological classifications and terminology'. However, it will be interesting to track the history of how we have ended up with the term 'Indic', in the computing context. Do friends on the list know of any history of computing terms and how 'Indic' has come to be used? Would be useful if any body can shed light on this and let us also put this up on Wikipedia. The Wiktionary entry for 'Indic' is here https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Indic Look forward to more conversations on this. Regards, Vishnu On 14 February 2013 09:34, Tejaswini Niranjana t...@cscs.res.in wrote: Correction: by Dravidian language in Pakistan I suppose you meant Brahui, which has a couple of million speakers. Doesn't appear to be much writing in the language though. We will have to find out more. And one more comment on your suggestion about using 'Indic-Dravidian': do remember that we have several languages in the north-east which are part of neither of these groupings, since they are from the Tibeto-Burman family of languages! This is what I meant by the problem of using philological classifications and terminology. TN On 13 February 2013 18:38, Tejaswini Niranjana t...@cscs.res.in wrote: Hi Niraj, Thanks for engaging with this difficult question. I think we may have to look at sizeable populations speaking a certain language while deciding how to classify where it is spoken. I was surprised to see your remark that Dravidian languages are spoken in Pakistan. I was not aware of this fact, and would like to know if it is the odd speaker who happens to live or work there, or there are good-sized populations speaking Kannada or Telugu for example. As for your suggestion about a combination name like Indic-Dravidian, that still falls into the philological problems that using 'Indic' alone does,and doesn't necessarily make the term more inclusive. So I think we will have to keep discussing this issue for some more time! Tejaswini On 11 February 2013 13:59, Niraj Suryawanshi niraj.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Mam, I
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] additions - Indian Languages question
I completely agree with the points Tejaswini and Sundar and all others. I'm only worried about the technical problems. If someone could show some light on how the keyword Indic would redirect someone to content having South Asian. If that's not possible South Asian (Indic) could be used alternatively (which is painful!). On 14-Feb-2013, at 5:24 PM, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.com wrote: I just notice that Tejaswini's original email addresses these points. Sorry for coming late to the party and posting on this thread. Excuse me as I'm unable to follow the discussions here regularly. - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture From: BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.com To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] additions - Indian Languages question I don't know the actual history of the term 'Indic'. However, I know pieces of it and why it's a bad idea to use the term. 1. The languages spoken in India are from very diverse language families with very different origins. The biggest group as of now is the Indo-Aryan subfamily of Indo-European. Dravidian languages are the next most spoken family of languages. Other languages belong to Austro-asiatic and Tibeto-Burman families. Some languages are language isolates. 2. The reasons why the term Indic would have been applied are the following (I speculate here): a) due to a number of cognates that exist due to centuries of substratum and ad stratum influence or false cognates that exist in any two languages, people mistakenly think of them as one family. b) there's a prevalent mistaken belief about Sanskrit as a mother language of all languages (in India and elsewhere!). Saying Bengali came from Sanskrit is like saying chicken came out of crocodiles. Saying Konkani came out of Sanskrit is like saying whales evolved from sharks. c) there's one genuine reason, which is that, aside from the evolution of the languages themselves, scripts evolved in a more convergent fashion (not 100%). 3. Why is it not good to refer to all languages spoken in India as Indic languages? a) The term Indic specifically referred to a certain sub family of languages. b) People then tend lump together tools. The biggest casualty so far is the way unicode inherited inscript and messed up Tamil and Malayalam scripts for once. 4) Wherever possible, the accurate and unambiguous phrase languages spoken in India shall be used. - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture From: Vishnu t visdav...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] additions - Indian Languages question Dear Tejaswini and Friends, It is an interesting and pertinent issue. I do completely concur with Tejaswini on the problem of 'using philological classifications and terminology'. However, it will be interesting to track the history of how we have ended up with the term 'Indic', in the computing context. Do friends on the list know of any history of computing terms and how 'Indic' has come to be used? Would be useful if any body can shed light on this and let us also put this up on Wikipedia. The Wiktionary entry for 'Indic' is here https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Indic Look forward to more conversations on this. Regards, Vishnu On 14 February 2013 09:34, Tejaswini Niranjana t...@cscs.res.in wrote: Correction: by Dravidian language in Pakistan I suppose you meant Brahui, which has a couple of million speakers. Doesn't appear to be much writing in the language though. We will have to find out more. And one more comment on your suggestion about using 'Indic-Dravidian': do remember that we have several languages in the north-east which are part of neither of these groupings, since they are from the Tibeto-Burman family of languages! This is what I meant by the problem of using philological classifications and terminology. TN On 13 February 2013 18:38, Tejaswini Niranjana t...@cscs.res.in wrote: Hi Niraj, Thanks for engaging with this difficult question. I think we may have to look at sizeable populations speaking a certain language while deciding how to classify where it is spoken. I was surprised to see your remark that Dravidian languages are spoken in Pakistan. I was not aware of this fact, and would like to know if it is the odd speaker who happens to live or work there, or there are good-sized populations speaking Kannada or
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia related activities in GNUnify 2013
FYI could be useful for anyone interested in gadgets for regional language Wikipedias. Begin forwarded message: From: Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com Date: 14 February 2013 2:38:17 PM IST To: MediaWiki development in India mediawiki-in...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [MediaWiki-India] Gadget Workshop at GNUnify Reply-To: yuvipa...@gmail.com, MediaWiki development in India mediawiki-in...@lists.wikimedia.org Hello! There is a Gadgets / Userscripts workshop at GNUnify on the 17th, in Pune. Everyone please welcome! More details at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Building_Wikipedia_Gadgets_Made_Easy:_A_MediaWiki_Workshop Thanks :) -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ MediaWiki-India mailing list mediawiki-in...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-india Best! Subha On 14-Feb-2013, at 9:44 AM, Vishnu t visdav...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Sudhanwa, Thanks for sharing this. Very interesting mix of titles. We should ensure to record them and put up on CC. As these can be very good source for the Community. All the best with GNUnify and I am very excited to be there. Best, Vishnu On 14 February 2013 02:16, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In Gnunify 2013, we are having many activities related to Wikipedia. Here is a list(not in any particular order of preference/importance): Day 1: 15th Feb. Talk: Introduction to Creative Commons By Jessica Coats Talk:Translations for Wikipedia made easy By Siebrand Mazeland, Niklas Laxstrom Talk:Localization Needs and Ideas - REBOOT By Runa Bhattacharjee Day 2: 16th Feb Wikiacademy Talk:Open Education Resources By Jane Hornibrook Talk: Introduction to other Wikimedia projects - Wikimedia commons, Wikisource etc Workshop: Building input methods for your own language By Amir Aharoni Talk: How to contribute to Wikipedia in your favourite language By Alolita Sharma Talk:Internationalizing your code with Milkshake By Santhosh Thottingal Talk: Query.IME - Contributing an input method for your preferred language By Amir Aharoni, Yuvi Panda Registration for attendees is already open. Please register on the site www.gnunify.in This is a great opportunity to participate in Wikimedia activities. Do join us in the conference !! Regards -Sudhanwa Jogalekar (Team GNUnify) , (President, Wikimedia India Chapter.) -- ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikisa-l] Fwd: Samskrit Wikiquote ( Wiki SuktayaH)
I think it's more a region specific spelling/pronunciation. If you look at the few variations of the pronunciation it might be more clear: Northern India: Saan-skrit Eastern India: Sans-krut, San-su-ta, San-skru-ta Southern India: Sam-srkuta, Sam-skrita In writing it is Sanskrit, a term coined by the Britishers. The fight would never end to reach a consensus for a common spelling! I think it's more important to appreciate the effort Samskritha Bharathi and all the Sanskrit Wikipedians put for. Bringing more editors and creating content will not only be helpful for Kannada language, it will help help other languages as well. Best! Subha On 13-Feb-2013, at 9:43 PM, Abhiram C abhivasish...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gaurav, The term Sanskrit is one that was started by the Westerners who found it difficult to pronounce Samskritam/Samskrit. You too could try pronouncing the word Samskritam in English accent which will lead you to Sanskrit. Its better we stick to our basics and call it Samskritam. On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Gaurav Pruthi gaurav.pruth...@gmail.com wrote: Regarding preceding mail chain, It should be 'Sanskrit' rather than 'Samskrit' .Please correct me if I am wrong. Congrats to all who helped Sanskrit board the wiki. On 2/10/13, Vishnu t visdav...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Dr. Sumana, Shiju and all others behind Wiki-Sukthi ( *विकिसूक्तिः*), Wonderful achievement! We should celebrate this!! Many congratulations and keep it going. Best, Vishnu On 10 February 2013 11:55, Karthik Nadar karthik...@wikimedia.in wrote: This is an awesome news. Congratulations to all behind this one, and wish you all a great success. On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Abhiram C abhivasish...@gmail.comwrote: Hello Wikipedians, A new way to contribute to Samskrit is here The Samskrit Wikiquote is officially open for contributions. Thanks to all the people who have striven hard to make it count. The webpage can be found at *sa.wikiquote.org* http://sa.wikiquote.org -- Forwarded message -- From: Sumana sumana.koundi...@gmail.com Namaste, It is with immense pleasure, I wish to announce that Samskrit Wikiquote project ( *विकिसूक्तिः*) is out of Incubator and is available as an open source project like Wikipedia now. It was in a dormant stage with very limited editing options and visibility since its inception. We had started our efforts towards this in August 2012, persuading Wikipedia Language Committee. Over 7000 system messages were translated to samskrit, some 800 articles of useful content related to this project were created and uploaded, which were some of the requirements to approve new projects.Thanks to dedicated Wikipedians like Shiju Alex, that today we have the project out of incubator, which means, this project would be readily available for everyone to edit and use now on. The project is a store house of Subhashitas extracted from different scriptures like Veda, Upanishat Puraana, RamayaNa, Mahabharatam etc, categorised based on the topics with explanations. Also, it contains the idioms and phrases, witty puzzles, sayings of great people, Chitrakaavyam etc, everything in Samskrit. It is to be noted that all these, in a single webpage is not available anywhere else in such an easily available form. We have about 1260 pages under various categories, for a ready review at *sa. wikiquote.org* I request everyone to visit once for guidance, comments or contributions... Once again, Congratulations to one and all who have been instrumental in crossing this milestone... Thanks and Warm Regards, Dr Sumana Wikipedia Wing, Samskrita Bharati 98807 93423 -- Thanks Regards, Abhiram C, Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org Editor, User: sbblr0803 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sbblr0803 ___ Wikisa-l mailing list wikis...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisa-l -- Thanks and regards, Karthik Nadar, Secretary, Wikimedia India Chapter. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Gaurav Pruthi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Thanks Regards, Abhiram C, Wikipedia Editor, User: sbblr0803 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13
Thanks Sunil. I really appreciate the replies and the clarification on some of these points. Kind Regards Theo On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Sunil Abraham su...@mahiti.org wrote: Dear Theo, On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: 1) I can't seem to understand the rationale behind hiring academicians here at all. There was no rationale behind hiring academics. It just happens that two of the three people that the recruitment committee selected turned out to be academics. The other finalist was not an academic. Your organization chose researchers and academicians but the job requirement was and is, for a management person to oversee and direct a team. We did not choose. The recruitment committee chose. I don't think either of the candidates present that kind of expertise. Their field of reference is narrow to begin with, limited to the discipline of their speciality, add to that how little exposure they have to Wikipedia or similar online culture - this doesn't sound like remotely a good fit. - this fact was actually the first point that made me think other interests were put ahead of the Job requirements. We did not have enough Wikipedians applying. I am sure the Recruitment Committee would have gone with a Wikipedian if there had been enough applications from the community. I have been a Free Software activist for the last 10 years. I have contributed to national policy formulation and practice w.r.t. Free Software, Open Standards and Open Content in multiple countries including Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Moldova and Tajikistan. But I have never submitted a line of code to any Free Software project. Similarly, I believe that those who don't edit Wikipedia can also make significant contributions to the Wikipedia movement. Best wishes, Sunil ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13
On 14 February 2013 18:30, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: I really appreciate the replies and the clarification on some of these points. Gracious of you to do so. Now could you please apologise for your half baked assertion of facts backed by nothing more substantial than your thoughts? In particular: 3) I am still curious about some of the relationships here. As far as I know achal still serves on your board? because I have a distinct memory of there being some association here. Your caveats notwithstanding. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: On 14 February 2013 18:30, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: I really appreciate the replies and the clarification on some of these points. Gracious of you to do so. Now could you please apologise for your half baked assertion of facts backed by nothing more substantial than your thoughts? No. In particular: 3) I am still curious about some of the relationships here. As far as I know achal still serves on your board? because I have a distinct memory of there being some association here. Perhaps you didn't read the clarification where Achal did serve on their board till September of 2011, he does happen to still be a member of the registered society who is still consulted by CIS. Perhaps you can read again below and clarify what you are characterizing as baked assertion on facts. -Theo On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:33 AM, Sunil Abraham su...@mahiti.org wrote: Achal used to be on our board from the time we registered in July 2008. He has not attend board meetings since September 2011. Current board members of CIS are listed here: http://cis-india.org/about/people/board-members. Achal continues to be a member of the registered society and CIS does contract him occasionally for research support activities like editing manuscripts. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13
On 14 February 2013 19:15, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps you didn't read the clarification where Achal did serve on their board till September of 2011, he does happen to still be a member of the registered society who is still consulted by CIS. Perhaps you can read again below and clarify what you are characterizing as baked assertion on facts. You didn't send that email in September of 2011 or prior to that. You sent it in February of 2013 - when Achal no longer serves on the board. Nor is he listed on the page Sunil referenced. And it's half baked. I do wish you'd be more careful in your reading. Quick to make assertions and slow to offer corrections. You truly are a joy Theo. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: On 14 February 2013 19:15, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps you didn't read the clarification where Achal did serve on their board till September of 2011, he does happen to still be a member of the registered society who is still consulted by CIS. Perhaps you can read again below and clarify what you are characterizing as baked assertion on facts. You didn't send that email in September of 2011 or prior to that. You sent it in February of 2013 - when Achal no longer serves on the board. Nor is he listed on the page Sunil referenced. And it's half baked. I do wish you'd be more careful in your reading. If you read again, I questioned, denoted by a question mark - if achal *still* serves on their board and if there was still an association. I asked still, because I knew he did at one point and I don't follow either of them. I asked Sunil directly instead of forming conjectures and basing accusations. Quick to make assertions and slow to offer corrections. You truly are a joy Theo. What assertions? He *did* serve on their board, he just quit some time ago. I don't follow achal or CIS's internal structure. You are getting awfully defensive here for achal, for asking a direct question if Achal was still on their board or not. The answer was, Yes, he was on our board but not any longer, though we do consult occasionally - Apparently, that is all baseless by your standards. What correction should I offer for asking that question? -Theo ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13
On 14 February 2013 19:31, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: If you read again, I questioned, denoted by a question mark - if achal *still* serves on their board and if there was still an association. I asked still, because I knew he did at one point and I don't follow either of them. Which is why I said Your caveats notwithstanding. What assertions? He *did* serve on their board, he just quit some time ago. I don't follow achal or CIS's internal structure. As far as I know achal still serves on your board? or Does Achal still serve on your board?. Weasel wording will take you places. You are getting awfully defensive here for achal, for asking a direct question if Achal was still on their board or not. Oooh! Look! A red herring! ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Gautam John gau...@akshara.org.in wrote: On 14 February 2013 19:31, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: If you read again, I questioned, denoted by a question mark - if achal *still* serves on their board and if there was still an association. I asked still, because I knew he did at one point and I don't follow either of them. Which is why I said Your caveats notwithstanding. What assertions? He *did* serve on their board, he just quit some time ago. I don't follow achal or CIS's internal structure. As far as I know achal still serves on your board? or Does Achal still serve on your board?. Weasel wording will take you places. Jeez!? You think that is weasel wording. Fine, let's say I assumed he was still on the board. Boy, was I wrong! It was the worst accusation ever! He should be here demanding an apology for that defamation himself. How dare I! You are getting awfully defensive here for achal, for asking a direct question if Achal was still on their board or not. Oooh! Look! A red herring! I'm getting awfully tired by your point, if you make it one of these days. I'm not sure if you defending achal's reputation by repeatedly pointing out that he quit the board or just chose a weak point to begin with. So, saying that you are getting defensive is a red herring now? I don't see you defending anyone else hereor anywhere. -Theo ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Abhishek, I have been on-board several Wiki mailing lists and closed emailing groups for a few years now, but this is the first time I have been piqued to respond to such a 'discussion'. Your efforts to prove what you are trying to prove are outstanding. I won't be surprised if Doctor Hakim (I appreciate the wordplay) is a troll or a sock puppet who has planted this thread to get the discussion where it is. Almost every community member I have interacted with or met in person over the years has gone out of pocket for volunteer activities. I have known of community members refusing grants while going out of pocket, and I respect them all the more for that. Some of us have spent astounding amounts of money this way. As I see it, the Chapter has committed to transparency and accountability; nothing is wrong with it having some money of its own. When you become a member of the Chapter again, maybe you can help bring about as much transparency as you'd like. Regards, Rohini On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Sunil, Could you please share information about CIS supporting Chapter Travel expenses? And Its nice and positive move, Great to see CIS continues to support movement in India. Volunteers can devote their time in doing activities and CIS can support as per request. As Chapter is shy/silent about acknowledging funding from CIS - Hope so your reply will clarify that CIS is there to support Chapter activities irrespective of criticism. Keep Supporting, Keep Inspiring! :) Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune -- *From:* Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in *To:* Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:31 PM *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate Membership under processing is differnt from memvership alreadt processed. INDI-31 is non existant and will remain so. As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the information from. The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public. n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Srikanth, I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at the same time I guess you will also respect the Chapter President's word. I have had a talk with Sudhanwa (President,Wikimedia India Chapter) and just two days back he informed me that my Chapter-membership is being proceed. I would like you to have or increase your communications with other EC members (or at-least with President) before claiming me or anybody else with allegations such as a 'Cheat' :) P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel for Board meeting or not ? Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what kind of people it is dealing with. On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: *@Karthik - * *If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question * Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are covered by third party? *instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,* Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then please state who is covering travel expenses? *which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to send out clarifications. * Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are putting up efforts to blur whole situation. *@Sudhanwa - * * 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by CIS. Absolutely wrong information you have go*t. AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please correct if wrong. * I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list. If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc)
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [A2K]: The Access to Knowledge - Bulletin - January '13
Thanks for the clarification Sunil. So I came to know that the committee involved in the selection process, most member doesn't have any wiki experience, and only few have on-wiki experience. Correct me if I am wrong. It's surprising to know people, who doesn't have experience on wiki recruiting people for the same! May be it's fair as WMF has given the responsibility to CIS! But I am worried about the support, as many are upset and not convinced, whether or not they are going to support A2K. Or may be A2K doesn't care about them who doesn't support, without their support A2K is going to succeed! I think we should support, as we can do nothing about it now. This way it's best for everyone, at least for Wikipedia and it's sister projects. I'd like to apologize if I didn't sound neutral before any time. But believe me I don't want to make or see this worse. And I'd like to have the A2K team (all of them) respond positively to the criticism. You should take it as a part of your job! Sorry, I don't see any other option. I have been a Free Software activist for the last 10 years. I have contributed to national policy formulation and practice w.r.t. Free Software, Open Standards and Open Content in multiple countries including Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Moldova and Tajikistan. But I have never submitted a line of code to any Free Software project. Similarly, I believe that those who don't edit Wikipedia can also make significant contributions to the Wikipedia movement. Can you tell me how this is similar? You are into policy formulation and you never submitted a line of code. Are you saying now you are able to write codes all of sudden even if you don't know how to? Anybody can contribute to Wikipedia, but to know everything and understand completely, and then teach others it takes more time then you think. And particularly in this case, it should not be like this! If you don't believe me ask somebody you know active on English Wikipedia. I think nobody is raising this other than me, because you don't have the support from them! Ansuman ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Chapters] Wiki Loves Earth
Noise. Troll. Cease and desist, unless you have something positive to contribute. fyi, since you don't seem to have the time to regularly follow Wikimedia activities in India, many Wikimedians took part in the global Wikimedia Loves Monuments event, without any funding offers, with terrific results (that's a bonus, the participation was the prize). If you have ideas for some other kind of event, without necessarily copycatting Ukraine, please do come forward. PS what is a rd nose? Don't bother to reply, unless it is in abbrvtns, I don't need to hit the delete button so often. On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer rednosedr...@hotmail.com wrote: India Chapter should organize one like this. Oh wait, you need cash first. Sorry. -- Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:58:43 +0400 From: srik.r...@wikimedia.in To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Chapters] Wiki Loves Earth For your information: -- Forwarded message -- From: *Євген Букет* bu...@wikimediaukraine.org.ua Date: Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:54 AM Subject: [Chapters] Wiki Loves Earth To: Dimce Grozdanoski dimce.grozdano...@gmail.com, tomasz.kozlow...@wikimedia.pl, i...@wikibilim.kz, gyo...@wikimedia.org, bu...@wikimedia.org.ph, s...@wikimedia.ru, mede...@wikimedia.ru, abar...@wikimedia.org, chapt...@wikimedia.ch, jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk, johannes.r...@wikimedia.de, le...@wikimedia.no, Yuri Perohanych direc...@wikimediaukraine.org.ua FYI, Wikimedia Ukraine is initiating a new photo contest – “Wiki Loves Earth”, its goal being collecting pictures of Ukraine Natural Heritage sites and Landscape and Ornamental Gardening objects for illustrating articles in the worldwide free Internet encyclopedia Wikipedia. Everybody can take part in the competition. A registration on Wikimedia Commons (one of many Wikipedia sister projects) is required. You are to find in the list of natural heritage objects the ones you know of, take a picture of them yourself (it could be done anytime, previously or starting now) and upload them to Commons (during April 15 – May 15, 2013). The authors of the best pictures will be awarded with prizes. The results announcement and the awarding ceremony will be held in Kyiv, on June 5, 2013, on the World Environment Day. The Organizational Committee has already started preparation work on the competition list, and almost 8 000 of entries are to be included there. Nature reserves, landscape parks, protected areas, natural heritage sites, botanical (dendrological), zoological gardens and parks, and ornamenting gardening objects will be in the list. Yuri Perohanych, Wikimedia Ukraine Executive Director, said that this photo contest will draw the society’s attention to the existing problems of Ukraine natural heritage protection, and the contest itself is to show the perspectives of green/eco tourism in Ukraine. As Yevhen Buket, the contest coordinator, pointed out, the idea to initiate such a competition has arisen after conducting a successful international photo contest Wiki Loves Monuments in Ukraine this September. The goal of the contest was collecting pictures of cultural heritage monuments of Ukraine. Wikimedia Ukraine invited Ministry of Ecology and Natural Resources of Ukraine, environmental organizations, as well as donors and sponsors, to help with the organization of the competition and contribute to the contest prize fund. More information in Ukrainian: http://ua.wikimedia.org/wiki/ВЛЗ - Best regards, Yevhen Buket, WM UA ___ Chapters mailing list chapt...@wikimedia.ch https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/chapters -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan Member of the Executive Committee Wikimedia Chapter [India] Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter todayhttp://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Vickram ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
My dear Doctor, it is 26,000,000. That is 2.6 crore, not lakh. It belongs to CIS, not the Chapter. CIS is a totally different organization, not related to the Chapter is any way whatsoever. It consists of interesting (for a psychologist) people like Noopur, Nitika, and Subhashish. They get paid. Chapter is volunteers, not paid, no pay, no money, gratis, Google Treanslate says मुक्त. I hope you get my point. It is after all, Elementary, My dear Doctor. CIS=Money. Chapter=No Money. CIS=Rich. Chapter=Poor. Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 04:38:06 -0800 From: nawabhaki...@ymail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate i am not talk about 1.5 lakh. i am talk about 2. lak that noobur talk about in old mail. From: Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate I am talking about upcoming Board Meeting, Correct me if someone else is funding Travel expenses of Chapter. Its CIS right? Point is - If expenses are well known like this, other organizations can chip in to support Chapter. And 'in-kind' donations will be helpful. Its good to see CIS is helping Chapter, and why Chapter wants to keep it as secret? At same time there are dedicated efforts in all mails to keep everyone in dark about Travel support, is there any specific reason behind it?? Regards, -Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: Abhishek, where are you getting these ideas from? As our Secretary stated, please stop speaking for us. Substantiate your claim that CIS is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, and will put up all Grants, and other details in public. Running a society in India has a thousand formalities with various Government departments. On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: I meant Board Meeting. Sorry for confusion and apologies for same. Chapter flight tickets and travel expenses are covered by CIS, Correct me if I am wrong??? -Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 Feb 2013 17:25, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: It will be unfair to call it cheating, however - 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian Rupees? I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience, I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity, water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago). 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by CIS. I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on this. I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many grant requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount is used? This is just one example, don't take it as the only expense of chapter. Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters. Regards, -Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune Regards, Dhaval (on my own behalf) Disclaimer: I have no formal tie with the chapter nor with CIS. I have no financial inrerest with either of them personally. On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer rednosedr...@hotmail.com wrote: Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave people like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit deliberately done, don't you think? Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a tremendous amount to you guys. Will spread the word on
[Wikimediaindia-l] Chapter Misleading Community!
Dear Executive Committee, Wikimedia India Chapter. Could you be please be kind enough to clarify, Why EC was/is interested in misguiding mailing list and Indian community? When asked about CIS funding - Executive Committee member wrote : *The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public. * Then why weren't they made public by you? CIS clearly stated - they are funding Chapter, and in past (also) they have supported in-kind. Why is the hesitation for acknowledging this? On the contrary - there is strong rejection of even having any kind of connection with CIS from Chapter representatives. (On the other hand CIS is graciously open/alright to acknowledge links with the Chapter) On A Query about CIS funding Chapter Flight Tickets : Response from Secretary was- *.making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list, * Which part was unsubstantiated? Its the reality that this time Chapter Board Member's Flight tickets ARE covered by CIS even if it includes training the A2K team. (CIS has already made it clear on this mailing list) Why there is hesitation/resistance to have transparency? Also, the Chapter President gave statement on same thread - *Please be open and transparent to the community. The more you become transparent, it is better for al*l. Are Chapter EC Members exception to this? On same lines, Another EC Members says - * The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS,* As correctly stated by , Chapter is having money from WMF, Which comes from individual donations. So ideally Chapter should be accountable to the overall community and not just its members, as rightly pointed out by someone Again, What is the need to find excuses for transparency? When there was statement that ''AGM travel expense is covered'' instead of correcting statement and saying, its wrong - and CIS is paying for Board Trip (which is coinciding with CIS training!) Even Chapter President preferred to give out half truth and kept everyone in dark. And there was Secretary and another EC Member to take whole mailing list on a ride! Why it is important? This could be start of new era - Where CIS supports Chapter financially whenever needed. (or in-kind as they did in past and hopefully will continue to do so). So more and more volunteer efforts can be devoted for outreach/activities. *Please remember that chapter is representation of the community and works for the community * Current scenario gives wrong interpretation and implies that community should not raise questions on transparency because after-all we are your representation! Either consult community before lying or speak (complete) truth. Here is response from Sunil,CIS - * This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also organising a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this when I reached out to the EC and asked for their support us. * From Sunil's mail it is clear that Sunil extended the offer in good-faith, unaware of Chapter-Board meeting falling at the same time. However Chapter also seems to have taken this opportunity and is now shy to accept. I don't understand why? And why CIS was also kept in dark? *CIS will cover air travel and accommodation for all EC members. CIS will also provide per diem for meals that are not provided during the ** training. Unfortunately, we don't have a separate budget for fee*s. Along with 'air Travel', CIS is providing accommodation too. And Last sentence about fee budget is interesting. If Chapter is expecting public support for fundraising and other activities, then it should be more transparent and 'should avoid organized and dedicated efforts to misguide community/keep in dark.' And Hope so CIS takes care of all the remaining Chapter financial needs as well, Just keep community in loop. And Thanks to Sunil/ CIS for being transparent and open. Keep Clarifying, Keep Inspiring! -Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune -- Forwarded message -- From: Sunil Abraham su...@mahiti.org Date: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate To: Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com Cc: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Dear Abhishek, CIS is not supporting travel expenses for Chapter EC meetings. Nor has CIS provided funding to the Chapter so far from the Wikipedia grant. CIS has provided in-kind support to the Chapter in previous financial years for ex. society registration costs and the costs of their financial adviser during their first financial year. We strongly suppor This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related expenses because the
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Dear Rohini, *I have been on-board several Wiki mailing lists and closed emailing groups for a few years now,* Congrats for being 'on-board' of several Wiki-mailing lists. I do appreciate kind of energy and efforts needed to to be on-board/to join Wiki Mailing List. Hats off to you for managing this brilliantly. It must be difficult job to remain silent simultaneously on several mailing lists at same time. *but this is the first time I have been piqued to respond to such a 'discussion'. * I have special respect for personalities like you who make special appearance on mailing lists to protect views of friends/colleagues, that too by keeping aside neutral point of view. This is rare quality, please preserve it. Great to know apart from putting up effort for being on(-board) mailing list - you also reply back. *As I see it, the Chapter has committed to transparency and accountability; nothing is wrong with it having some money of its own. * More than happy to know you also agree with me. I have already encouraged in-kind donation collection. Most importantly - Its people like you who define mailing lists by special cameo appearance's. You expertise in maintaining silence (on several mailing lists!) and speaking up when needed are commendable. Keep up great work! Best Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Rohini Lakshané rohini.laksh...@gmail.com wrote: Abhishek, I have been on-board several Wiki mailing lists and closed emailing groups for a few years now, but this is the first time I have been piqued to respond to such a 'discussion'. Your efforts to prove what you are trying to prove are outstanding. I won't be surprised if Doctor Hakim (I appreciate the wordplay) is a troll or a sock puppet who has planted this thread to get the discussion where it is. Almost every community member I have interacted with or met in person over the years has gone out of pocket for volunteer activities. I have known of community members refusing grants while going out of pocket, and I respect them all the more for that. Some of us have spent astounding amounts of money this way. As I see it, the Chapter has committed to transparency and accountability; nothing is wrong with it having some money of its own. When you become a member of the Chapter again, maybe you can help bring about as much transparency as you'd like. Regards, Rohini On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Sunil, Could you please share information about CIS supporting Chapter Travel expenses? And Its nice and positive move, Great to see CIS continues to support movement in India. Volunteers can devote their time in doing activities and CIS can support as per request. As Chapter is shy/silent about acknowledging funding from CIS - Hope so your reply will clarify that CIS is there to support Chapter activities irrespective of criticism. Keep Supporting, Keep Inspiring! :) Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune -- *From:* Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in *To:* Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:31 PM *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate Membership under processing is differnt from memvership alreadt processed. INDI-31 is non existant and will remain so. As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the information from. The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public. n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Srikanth, I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at the same time I guess you will also respect the Chapter President's word. I have had a talk with Sudhanwa (President,Wikimedia India Chapter) and just two days back he informed me that my Chapter-membership is being proceed. I would like you to have or increase your communications with other EC members (or at-least with President) before claiming me or anybody else with allegations such as a 'Cheat' :) P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel for Board meeting or not ? Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what kind of people it is dealing
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Chapter Misleading Community!
Abhishek, I noticed that you have been repetitively raising the same issues over and over again. The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions. It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. I have to ask you to please refrain from sending further emails on this topic. If you ignore this warning, I will have to put your account on moderation. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Executive Committee, Wikimedia India Chapter. Could you be please be kind enough to clarify, Why EC was/is interested in misguiding mailing list and Indian community? When asked about CIS funding - Executive Committee member wrote : The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public. Then why weren't they made public by you? CIS clearly stated - they are funding Chapter, and in past (also) they have supported in-kind. Why is the hesitation for acknowledging this? On the contrary - there is strong rejection of even having any kind of connection with CIS from Chapter representatives. (On the other hand CIS is graciously open/alright to acknowledge links with the Chapter) On A Query about CIS funding Chapter Flight Tickets : Response from Secretary was- .making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list, Which part was unsubstantiated? Its the reality that this time Chapter Board Member's Flight tickets ARE covered by CIS even if it includes training the A2K team. (CIS has already made it clear on this mailing list) Why there is hesitation/resistance to have transparency? Also, the Chapter President gave statement on same thread - Please be open and transparent to the community. The more you become transparent, it is better for all. Are Chapter EC Members exception to this? On same lines, Another EC Members says - The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, As correctly stated by , Chapter is having money from WMF, Which comes from individual donations. So ideally Chapter should be accountable to the overall community and not just its members, as rightly pointed out by someone Again, What is the need to find excuses for transparency? When there was statement that ''AGM travel expense is covered'' instead of correcting statement and saying, its wrong - and CIS is paying for Board Trip (which is coinciding with CIS training!) Even Chapter President preferred to give out half truth and kept everyone in dark. And there was Secretary and another EC Member to take whole mailing list on a ride! Why it is important? This could be start of new era - Where CIS supports Chapter financially whenever needed. (or in-kind as they did in past and hopefully will continue to do so). So more and more volunteer efforts can be devoted for outreach/activities. Please remember that chapter is representation of the community and works for the community Current scenario gives wrong interpretation and implies that community should not raise questions on transparency because after-all we are your representation! Either consult community before lying or speak (complete) truth. Here is response from Sunil,CIS - This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also organising a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this when I reached out to the EC and asked for their support us. From Sunil's mail it is clear that Sunil extended the offer in good-faith, unaware of Chapter-Board meeting falling at the same time. However Chapter also seems to have taken this opportunity and is now shy to accept. I don't understand why? And why CIS was also kept in dark? CIS will cover air travel and accommodation for all EC members. CIS will also provide per diem for meals that are not provided during the training. Unfortunately, we don't have a separate budget for fees. Along with 'air Travel', CIS is providing accommodation too. And Last sentence about fee budget is interesting. If Chapter is expecting public support for fundraising and other activities, then it should be more transparent and 'should avoid organized and dedicated efforts to misguide community/keep in dark.' And Hope so CIS takes care of all the remaining
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Chapter Misleading Community!
Dear Abhishek, I am a relatively disinterested party (no implication on others' interest, but certainly from your perspective I am quite disinterested (not uninterested)) in this matter. You have certainly made your point. I (and perhaps many others who have not chosen to respond or engage) have taken in your view on this matter and the implications of what you say. There have been responses from people you have raised issues with and their response is also on record. In the interest of the list discussion remaining useful and healthy, I also request you to desist from raking the same points again and again. Perhaps, if you feel that the responses were not clear enough (or were not sufficient in content), you need to take it up through other channels. The limitations of an email discussion list certainly do not allow for more than this. Regards, Prashanth On 14 February 2013 19:50, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: Abhishek, I noticed that you have been repetitively raising the same issues over and over again. The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions. It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. I have to ask you to please refrain from sending further emails on this topic. If you ignore this warning, I will have to put your account on moderation. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Executive Committee, Wikimedia India Chapter. Could you be please be kind enough to clarify, Why EC was/is interested in misguiding mailing list and Indian community? When asked about CIS funding - Executive Committee member wrote : The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public. Then why weren't they made public by you? CIS clearly stated - they are funding Chapter, and in past (also) they have supported in-kind. Why is the hesitation for acknowledging this? On the contrary - there is strong rejection of even having any kind of connection with CIS from Chapter representatives. (On the other hand CIS is graciously open/alright to acknowledge links with the Chapter) On A Query about CIS funding Chapter Flight Tickets : Response from Secretary was- .making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list, Which part was unsubstantiated? Its the reality that this time Chapter Board Member's Flight tickets ARE covered by CIS even if it includes training the A2K team. (CIS has already made it clear on this mailing list) Why there is hesitation/resistance to have transparency? Also, the Chapter President gave statement on same thread - Please be open and transparent to the community. The more you become transparent, it is better for all. Are Chapter EC Members exception to this? On same lines, Another EC Members says - The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, As correctly stated by , Chapter is having money from WMF, Which comes from individual donations. So ideally Chapter should be accountable to the overall community and not just its members, as rightly pointed out by someone Again, What is the need to find excuses for transparency? When there was statement that ''AGM travel expense is covered'' instead of correcting statement and saying, its wrong - and CIS is paying for Board Trip (which is coinciding with CIS training!) Even Chapter President preferred to give out half truth and kept everyone in dark. And there was Secretary and another EC Member to take whole mailing list on a ride! Why it is important? This could be start of new era - Where CIS supports Chapter financially whenever needed. (or in-kind as they did in past and hopefully will continue to do so). So more and more volunteer efforts can be devoted for outreach/activities. Please remember that chapter is representation of the community and works for the community Current scenario gives wrong interpretation and implies that community should not raise questions on transparency because after-all we are your representation! Either consult community before lying or speak (complete) truth. Here is response from Sunil,CIS - This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also organising a meeting in Bangalore during those
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Chapter Misleading Community!
Dear Anirudh, Please direct me to the response/clarification from Wikimedia India Executive Committee. Only Sunil has made the whole thing clear and now its only You who is saying - It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.comwrote: Abhishek, I noticed that you have been repetitively raising the same issues over and over again. The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions. It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. I have to ask you to please refrain from sending further emails on this topic. If you ignore this warning, I will have to put your account on moderation. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Executive Committee, Wikimedia India Chapter. Could you be please be kind enough to clarify, Why EC was/is interested in misguiding mailing list and Indian community? When asked about CIS funding - Executive Committee member wrote : The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public. Then why weren't they made public by you? CIS clearly stated - they are funding Chapter, and in past (also) they have supported in-kind. Why is the hesitation for acknowledging this? On the contrary - there is strong rejection of even having any kind of connection with CIS from Chapter representatives. (On the other hand CIS is graciously open/alright to acknowledge links with the Chapter) On A Query about CIS funding Chapter Flight Tickets : Response from Secretary was- .making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list, Which part was unsubstantiated? Its the reality that this time Chapter Board Member's Flight tickets ARE covered by CIS even if it includes training the A2K team. (CIS has already made it clear on this mailing list) Why there is hesitation/resistance to have transparency? Also, the Chapter President gave statement on same thread - Please be open and transparent to the community. The more you become transparent, it is better for all. Are Chapter EC Members exception to this? On same lines, Another EC Members says - The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, As correctly stated by , Chapter is having money from WMF, Which comes from individual donations. So ideally Chapter should be accountable to the overall community and not just its members, as rightly pointed out by someone Again, What is the need to find excuses for transparency? When there was statement that ''AGM travel expense is covered'' instead of correcting statement and saying, its wrong - and CIS is paying for Board Trip (which is coinciding with CIS training!) Even Chapter President preferred to give out half truth and kept everyone in dark. And there was Secretary and another EC Member to take whole mailing list on a ride! Why it is important? This could be start of new era - Where CIS supports Chapter financially whenever needed. (or in-kind as they did in past and hopefully will continue to do so). So more and more volunteer efforts can be devoted for outreach/activities. Please remember that chapter is representation of the community and works for the community Current scenario gives wrong interpretation and implies that community should not raise questions on transparency because after-all we are your representation! Either consult community before lying or speak (complete) truth. Here is response from Sunil,CIS - This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also organising a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this when I reached out to the EC and
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
Hi, On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Rohini, *I have been on-board several Wiki mailing lists and closed emailing groups for a few years now,* Congrats for being 'on-board' of several Wiki-mailing lists. I do appreciate kind of energy and efforts needed to to be on-board/to join Wiki Mailing List. Hats off to you for managing this brilliantly. It must be difficult job to remain silent simultaneously on several mailing lists at same time. *but this is the first time I have been piqued to respond to such a 'discussion'. * I have special respect for personalities like you who make special appearance on mailing lists to protect views of friends/colleagues, that too by keeping aside neutral point of view. This is rare quality, please preserve it. Great to know apart from putting up effort for being on(-board) mailing list - you also reply back. *As I see it, the Chapter has committed to transparency and accountability; nothing is wrong with it having some money of its own. * More than happy to know you also agree with me. I have already encouraged in-kind donation collection. Most importantly - Its people like you who define mailing lists by special cameo appearance's. You expertise in maintaining silence (on several mailing lists!) and speaking up when needed are commendable. Keep up great work! If you wanted to only praise her, you could have sent her a private mail. This list is getting annoying day by day. I rarely get to see some collaborative work/discussions happening. All people try to do is pull each others leg and fight, fight, fight! Sad indeed. -- Warm Regards, *Pratik Lahoti* User:BPositive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BPositive *Speak less, work more* ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Chapter Misleading Community!
Abhishek, The chapter's response has been to ask you to stop making unsubstantiated allegations. Sunil has clarified that that the WMF sponsored A2K programme is funding travel and accommodation of some members of the Wikimedia India Executive Committee for the purpose of a training session in Bangalore organized for the benefit of the new employee(s) of CIS/A2K. This is the sole purpose of funding travel and accommodation from CIS/A2K perspective and nothing else. What the members of the WMIN board decide to do in their spare time while they are available in the same city is up to them. If they use this time to organize a face to face board meeting, all the more better, since this way they save some precious chapter funds. Your accusation that the chapter is misleading the community is a falsification. Since you have chosen to ignore my previous warning and continued to post on the same topic on this mailing list, I have put your account on moderation. If you wish to discuss this matter further, please feel free to send an email to the chapter directly. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Anirudh, Please direct me to the response/clarification from Wikimedia India Executive Committee. Only Sunil has made the whole thing clear and now its only You who is saying - It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: Abhishek, I noticed that you have been repetitively raising the same issues over and over again. The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions. It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. I have to ask you to please refrain from sending further emails on this topic. If you ignore this warning, I will have to put your account on moderation. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Executive Committee, Wikimedia India Chapter. Could you be please be kind enough to clarify, Why EC was/is interested in misguiding mailing list and Indian community? When asked about CIS funding - Executive Committee member wrote : The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public. Then why weren't they made public by you? CIS clearly stated - they are funding Chapter, and in past (also) they have supported in-kind. Why is the hesitation for acknowledging this? On the contrary - there is strong rejection of even having any kind of connection with CIS from Chapter representatives. (On the other hand CIS is graciously open/alright to acknowledge links with the Chapter) On A Query about CIS funding Chapter Flight Tickets : Response from Secretary was- .making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list, Which part was unsubstantiated? Its the reality that this time Chapter Board Member's Flight tickets ARE covered by CIS even if it includes training the A2K team. (CIS has already made it clear on this mailing list) Why there is hesitation/resistance to have transparency? Also, the Chapter President gave statement on same thread - Please be open and transparent to the community. The more you become transparent, it is better for all. Are Chapter EC Members exception to this? On same lines, Another EC Members says - The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, As correctly stated by , Chapter is having money from WMF, Which comes from individual donations. So ideally Chapter should be accountable to the overall community and not just its members, as rightly pointed out by someone Again, What is the need to find excuses for transparency? When there was statement that ''AGM travel expense is covered'' instead of correcting statement and saying, its wrong - and CIS is paying for Board Trip (which is coinciding with
[Wikimediaindia-l] Individual Engagement Grant: deadline for current round, 15 Feb
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG#ieg-applying Individual Engagement Grants support Wikimedians to complete projects that benefit the Wikimedia movement, lead to online impact, or otherwise serve our mission, community, and strategic priorities. We fund individuals or small teams to build, organize, pilot, create, improve, research or facilitate something that enhances the work of Wikimedia's volunteers and helps us achieve our vision of a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. The deadline for the current round is Feb 15 24:00 UTC, which is about 26 hours from when I send this. Proposals for the next round will open in August. Please also consider helping discuss current proposals between now and 22 February: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG#ieg-reviewing Open discussion and evaluation of proposals is intended to encourage diversity and innovation in the grants made, by bringing multiple perspectives to the selection process. Funding limits the amount of Individual Engagement Grants we are able to make in each round, and proposals are carefully evaluated and selected according to pre-determined criteria https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG#ieg-criteria. Hope this is of interest! -- Sumana Harihareswara Engineering Community Manager Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Chapter Misleading Community!
Looks like Manmohan Singh maintaining silence and Kapil Sibbal giving his best to censor media to keep image clean. *The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions.* I am also unable to find responce/clarification from EC. I can see just you and Sunil@CIS explaining scenario. Please care enough to redirect people to same? Regards, Niranjan Patel Long Live Democracy! On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: Abhishek, The chapter's response has been to ask you to stop making unsubstantiated allegations. Sunil has clarified that that the WMF sponsored A2K programme is funding travel and accommodation of some members of the Wikimedia India Executive Committee for the purpose of a training session in Bangalore organized for the benefit of the new employee(s) of CIS/A2K. This is the sole purpose of funding travel and accommodation from CIS/A2K perspective and nothing else. What the members of the WMIN board decide to do in their spare time while they are available in the same city is up to them. If they use this time to organize a face to face board meeting, all the more better, since this way they save some precious chapter funds. Your accusation that the chapter is misleading the community is a falsification. Since you have chosen to ignore my previous warning and continued to post on the same topic on this mailing list, I have put your account on moderation. If you wish to discuss this matter further, please feel free to send an email to the chapter directly. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Anirudh, Please direct me to the response/clarification from Wikimedia India Executive Committee. Only Sunil has made the whole thing clear and now its only You who is saying - It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: Abhishek, I noticed that you have been repetitively raising the same issues over and over again. The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions. It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. I have to ask you to please refrain from sending further emails on this topic. If you ignore this warning, I will have to put your account on moderation. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Executive Committee, Wikimedia India Chapter. Could you be please be kind enough to clarify, Why EC was/is interested in misguiding mailing list and Indian community? When asked about CIS funding - Executive Committee member wrote : The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public. Then why weren't they made public by you? CIS clearly stated - they are funding Chapter, and in past (also) they have supported in-kind. Why is the hesitation for acknowledging this? On the contrary - there is strong rejection of even having any kind of connection with CIS from Chapter representatives. (On the other hand CIS is graciously open/alright to acknowledge links with the Chapter) On A Query about CIS funding Chapter Flight Tickets : Response from Secretary was- .making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list, Which part was unsubstantiated? Its the reality that this time Chapter Board Member's Flight tickets ARE covered by CIS even if it includes training the A2K team. (CIS has already made it clear on this mailing list) Why there is hesitation/resistance to have transparency? Also, the Chapter President gave statement on same thread - Please be open and transparent to the community. The more you become transparent, it is better for
