RE: [WISPA] dual band

We use both the superpass dual-band/polarized sectors (http://www.superpass.com/SPD-GSH2T-J12T.html) and the Radiowaves dual polarized 5GHz dishes. The Superpass sectors give good 2.4 and 5.8 AP coverage over an area with no interference between bands whilst saving on tower rental. The dishes are g

RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP

What other things can be assigned per virtual SSID? It would be nice if you could set separate frequencies (or channel bandwidths) but I doubt this is technically possible. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: 27 D

Re: [WISPA] dual band

http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProducts.do?groupId=345&subgroupId=40 -Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for a dual band high gain panel antenna (ie: 2.4ghz and 5ghz 19db+) - does such a beast exist? Thanks Dan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsub

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing

Bob Moldashel wrote: Unfortunately...this is an uphill battle. You need to sell customers on services. DO NOT get into a pricing war with them. You WILL loose Yes..you will wind up with fewer customers. -B- It is not the number of subs, it is the number of PROFITABLE subs that coun

[WISPA] Re: 70/80/90 GHz licensed, 60 GHz license-exempt

In the US, 70, 80, and 90 GHz are "licensed lite"; you do have to register them. Apologies for envisioning the delicious irony of the database being swamped with trying to track and coordinate 300' links. Not to mention that, if memory serves, there's a fee to register each one of those links

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios - Advertising Battle

That's the kind of Guerrilla Advertising YOU should be doing. Pizza boxes, etc. You might have to go with the old stand-by: Do you really want Internet from Your Phone Company? These people can't even get your bill straight. On Triple-Play: I think that this is a ME-TOO strategy. If you are chas

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing - Triple Play

If you are going to be Resi, then get a DISH or DTV distributorship and sell them Your VoIP and your Internet and the DBS service. Won't be one bill, but it can be one call. Tom DeReggi wrote: Verizon has been advertising FIOS hard in our markets to, but its been over 6 month for some, since

RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing

No, we don't use WIFI, it is strictly a fixed wireless network at this point > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of John Thomas > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:37 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing >

Re: [WISPA] Re: 70/80/90 GHz licensed, 60 GHz license-exempt

Good points. I agree that 60 Ghz is also a nice band for doing this and the same millimeter-wave CMOS chipsets should work equally well in that band just as well. I am thinking that if we see the newer low cost CMOS radios that we will see bulk arrangements made for "license-lite" database regi

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing

FYI, when I visited the FCC, they were very specific that Wi-Fi cannot roam. Wi-Fi users can be nomadic in that as they move from AP to AP the client is disconnected and then reconnected. True roaming involves handoffs from node to node like on a cell network. Specifically, a cell phone actuall

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios - Advertising Battle

> But Resi doesn't have much future in MSAs. Can you explain this statement for me? Excuse my lack of knowledge here. What are you referring to as a MSA? Also let us hear a little more detail about this statement please. Once the client gets FiOS, all copper is clipped - and they cannot e

RE: [WISPA] Re: 70/80/90 GHz licensed, 60 GHz license-exempt

Anybody know what the Ofcom rules are in the UK for similar? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Stroh Sent: 28 December 2005 14:30 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Re: 70/80/90 GHz licensed, 60 GHz license-exempt In the US, 70,

Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

I have used 2 10 ft masts plugged together to make a 20 ft...   Then,  1/2 inch threaded rod and commercial pipe hangers.  bore a hole thru the pole 1 ft from the top.  another hole 2 ft down from that.  use a threaded rod in each hole with a pipe hanger and large washer on one end and a large

Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

I like that.  Is 2 ft enough space to hold the other 18 ft?  I would have expected 3ft or more, but the more pipe in the air the better. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net The season is Christmas, not

RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Paul Hendry wrote: What other things can be assigned per virtual SSID? It would be nice if you could set separate frequencies (or channel bandwidths) but I doubt this is technically possible. Pretty much everything can be handled differently on virtual APs, except the ob

Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

I like the idea, but not the material. I ran into the same type of issue at my house. I have a 50' Pi-Rod Solid rod free standing tower, but needed to be at about 65'. I took 2 10' 1" ID sections of galvanized water pipe, screwed them together and had them arc welded. It was a heavy beast to get

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)

That is not at all the case for 70 Ghz. The default Gigabeam antenna size for long range is approx 2 feet. (you can get 1-7 miles on that, more likely 1-2 miles for most rainfall areas for 5-9s). Gigabeam also now has a small footprint 12" round antenna model now, for 1/2 - 1 mile links which

Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

I am looking at using 2" industrial tubing or 2" rigid conduit.  1" just wouldn't do and I am leery of 1-1/2 being enough as well. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net The season is Christmas, not X-mas

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)

The requirement is for cost to come down. When the cost comes down to the level that we can build the adequate redundancy into our design, it will be a reality to compete. My hope is that GB wireless will get here when it is needed to compete for the market share before FOIS gets it first. Get

[WISPA] Physical Seperation

Anyone have a good rule of thumb for physical separation of dishes? Looking at installing 3 short masts on a water tower with 2 dishes on each mast. 1 will be horizontal and 1 vertical and both will be 5GHz. Is there a recommendation on how far the 2 antennas should physically be apart to minimize

RE: [WISPA] dual band

Has anyone used a dual polarized dish to provide 2 simultaneous 5GHz links? If so, how and if by using band pass filters, where can you get them from? Cheers, P., -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: 28 December 2005 13:27 To

Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

I have used 2 inch pipe before.  Got it in a 20ft section.  No welding or couplers. Scott Reed wrote: I am looking at using 2" industrial tubing or 2" rigid conduit.  1" just wouldn't do and I am leery of 1-1/2 being enough as well. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networkin

Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP

How can I avoid my competition doing this to me? Yes, Hide SSID. However, that does not help, if you are offering a self signup service where seeing the SSID is what brings in the subscriber in the first place. I suggest Virtual APs, so monthly subscribers can be transitioned to a different

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing - Triple Play

One bill has a bigger impact than people think. In our residential MTUs, I've lost 30% of our MTU subscribers to triple play providers. The residenmtial client base has very little loyalty over a 5 dollars savings. I get the cancellation request AFTER they have transferred to their new service.

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing

Matt, Great point, that many forget. For the record, there were several unlicensed products that ahve been marketed to mobility, such as Alvarion 900Mhz. Does Alvarion 900 mobile product llow subscribers to maintain state, when switching APs? My understanding is that a vehichle in motion (at

RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing - Triple Play

Anyone got a way to offer triple play via wireless yet? I heard of someone working on a product but no idea if anything has been released yet. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: 28 December 2005 14:38 To: WISPA General List Subj

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing - Triple Play - Consumers

One bill. Yeah, some people like it. But if the combined services are less money, you can make a case for 2 bills. How can you make it easier for them to pay the bill??? Have you seen how hard VZ makes e-bill You need to market to your own customers. Stay in front of them. Let them know w

[WISPA] WISPA Buying CoOp

Out of curiosity -- how did that end up? Where you able to prove my naysaying wrong? -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP

Self defense is another matter all togeather. If someone starts playing hard ball, so be it if you play hardball back. My point was that good ethics often prevents the need to ever play hard ball, and everyone wins. The concept of thinking that another player will never play on your field just i

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios - Advertising Battle

John Scrivner wrote: > But Resi doesn't have much future in MSAs. Can you explain this statement for me? Excuse my lack of knowledge here. What are you referring to as a MSA? Also let us hear a little more detail about this statement please. I use MSA to mean any of the 30 or so metro area

Re: [WISPA] Triple Play

To quote a DBS guy: The Broadcast TV market is static, at this point, everyone is competing for everyone else's dollars. And at the same time, the networks are releasing shows for download. How much longer before most of the TV shows are downloadable? What happens to broadcast TV then??? Tri

Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP

OK guys, what is a virtual AP, if they are more reliable than my existing APs, I take a truck load.>-Original Message->From: Butch Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:51 AM>To: 'WISPA General List'>Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP>>On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Paul

Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Ron Wallace wrote: OK guys, what is a virtual AP, if they are more reliable than my existing APs, I take a truck load. Virtual AP functionality is documented here: http://www.mikrotik.com/docs/ros/2.9/interface/wireless -- Butch Evans BPS Networks http://www.bpsnetworks.

Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP

It is as simple as knowing the MAC addy of your Access Point. You would have to be either pretty stupid or a complete Newbie to the wireless world to let a fake SSID trip you up. Kurt - - if you think for one minute you are slowing them down or keeping them out of a specific territory by

Re: [WISPA] WISPA Buying CoOp

In the sense that I got the prices, yes. Finding 10 WISPs who want ten CPEs of the same brand has proven difficult. :) Bunch of crazy WISPs anyways. Everyone says ya great thats cool.and then sits on their thumbs. I did what I could. Regardless, I have yet to make my 900 decision anyw

RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing - Triple Play

Well Tom, it sounds like you should focus on business customers or lower your residential prices so there is no savings when the cable company comes after your customers. You would have to apply your reduced rates across the board to your residential customers. Coming back to a customer after the f

[WISPA] anyone ever heard of an Airvast ap?

thanks! marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

Scott Reed wrote: I like that. Is 2 ft enough space to hold the other 18 ft? I would have expected 3ft or more, but the more pipe in the air the better. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net Ah

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing

Peter R. wrote: Bob Moldashel wrote: Unfortunately...this is an uphill battle. You need to sell customers on services. DO NOT get into a pricing war with them. You WILL loose Yes..you will wind up with fewer customers. -B- It is not the number of subs, it is the number of PROFITA

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing - Triple Play

dustin jurman wrote: Well Tom, it sounds like you should focus on business customers or lower your residential prices so there is no savings when the cable company comes after your customers. You would have to apply your reduced rates across the board to your residential customers. Coming back t

RE: [WISPA] anyone ever heard of an Airvast ap?

http://www.airvast.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:44 PM To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Cc: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject:[WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

Yep, found that mount.  Couple bucks less and Electro-Comm, too. I am looking at Schedule 40 steel pipe, 21' from a local guy.  Almost $100.  Where do you find aluminum, and about how much for 20'? Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Admini

Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP

Thanks Butch>-Original Message->From: Butch Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 06:38 PM>To: 'WISPA General List'>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP>>On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Ron Wallace wrote:>>>OK guys, what is a virtual AP, if they are more reliable than my >>exis

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing - Triple Play

No, not at all. I vented a frustration that is common in the residential market place. There is still a large resisntential population that feels differently. Residential is the most profitable part of our business today. It keeps our techncians busy, without delays from landlords. We don't run

Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP

Well, I certainly am a newbie in many ways.>-Original Message->From: Mac Dearman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 07:52 PM>To: 'WISPA General List'>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP>>It is as simple as knowing the MAC addy of your Access Point. You would >have to b

RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP

"...if you think for one minute you are slowing them down or keeping them out of a specific territory by doing this.." That’s why god invented the canopy cluster... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original M

RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing - Triple Play

Is there a company that you can buy VoIP service from and then resell it to your customers? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wedne

RE: [WISPA] Physical Seperation

20mhz separation Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:24 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Physical Seperation

The 5.xGHz range is not like 802.11b where it has "over lapping" channels. I have 5.x dishes within 2' of each other as well as 5.x flat panels within a foot of each other with no interference at all. I would suggest different channels on each radio though! :-) GL Mac Dearman Maximum Acces

[WISPA] Test message - please ignore

Just did a few updates and tweaks (and backups :D ) to the WISPA server, sending a quick test message to make sure it works. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/list

Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP

Kurt Your killing me. This has to be the lowest underhanded thing I've heard on these list from a fellow wisp. The goal to win is a fine goal, but winning by cheating is not a win at all, it's an admission of failure. You need to understand that integrity and success go hand in hand. Shaki

Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

List, As a Mechanical Engineer (non-PE), there are 2 obvious failure modes. First, there is the folding of the mast at the top bolt/mount. This is affected by the length of unsupported mast above the pole, the ridigity of the mast material, and the size of the hole you drill into it to mo

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (mobility and roaming)

Hello, There was some open-source work done that allowed generic 802.11 clients to roam around on a wireless network without breaking stateful/session-orientated connections. It was called Transparent Mobility, and there is code available on the SF site below. I believe it was actually put into