Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
Trango does not have a CPE that will work with my 802.11b system. 5ghz around here only gets me a tenth of a mile or so. Michigan is beautiful if trees is what you like. 5ghz only works sometimes on my backhauls if I can get up over 100ft. If they did that with 900, that would be news. A product someone could actually use. Brian Travis Johnson wrote: That they are working on developing a new product that will have bugs, hardware issues, etc. for the first 6-12 months. Trying to get to $100 (without antenna, BTW). Trango has a $149 unit that is from a company that is established, it has a built in antenna, PoE, etc. and is ready to go today. For $30 more, the range goes from 3 miles to 13 miles. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15749577 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364972 What does everyone think? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all?
Anyone seen FON ? This is insane. Anyone test one yet ? I want to know what network their hotspot runs back to, so I can block it Can someone that might have one throw a sniffer against it ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] MikroTik RouterOS and DHCP
I currently use the ISC DHCP server but want to switch to RouterOS. I use the dhcpd.conf file to specify host names and DNS registration for clients. Is there a way to access this file in the RouterOS system? Does RouterOS use a similar file for DHCP and if so can I access it? Can I setup a script that imports it from another server? The IP address assignment is dynamic, I just want to use this config to map DNS names. Jory Privett WCCS -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality
Title: Message out of curiosity (would like input from the pro net neutral people) -- would blocking something like FON constitute a violation of net neutrality? -Charles ---CWLabTechnology Architectshttp://www.cwlab.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick SmithSent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:41 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? Anyone seen FON ? This is insane. Anyone test one yet ? I want to know what network their hotspot runs back to, so I can block it Can someone that might have one throw a sniffer against it ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
And don't forget that it's WiFi vs. a proprietary engineered outdoor WISP protocol -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE? That they are working on developing a new product that will have bugs, hardware issues, etc. for the first 6-12 months. Trying to get to $100 (without antenna, BTW). Trango has a $149 unit that is from a company that is established, it has a built in antenna, PoE, etc. and is ready to go today. For $30 more, the range goes from 3 miles to 13 miles. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15749577 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364972 What does everyone think? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality
Title: Message I stilldon't see why anyone should be able to use my network without paying me for the right to do so. PERIOD. I don't run a network for the benefit of the free world, I run it for the benefit of my checkbook. Which needs SERIOUS help. :) OK, and while we're at it, why is "net neutral" good ? I admit I've ignored most of the discussions on it due to the fact that I'm NOT a supporter. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles WuSent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:32 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality out of curiosity (would like input from the pro net neutral people) -- would blocking something like FON constitute a violation of net neutrality? -Charles ---CWLabTechnology Architectshttp://www.cwlab.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick SmithSent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:41 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? Anyone seen FON ? This is insane. Anyone test one yet ? I want to know what network their hotspot runs back to, so I can block it Can someone that might have one throw a sniffer against it ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer
The order has already been placed for these units and they should be arriving in the states shortly. I believe John ordered a few extras so if anyone wanted to get one who missed out on the GP they still can. I think he ordered 6080s with the memory expansion. I'm looking forward to trying mine out. Patrick Here is the prices he sent me. Brian rabbtux rabbtux wrote: please forward a price list :-) On 6/20/06, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He gave me the final prices for these, so if anyone was interested, I can forward it to you. OFFLIST Brian Brian Rohrbacher wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Sovereen wrote: I'm interested in a unit, but haven't got a response. Is [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] the right address? Dave 989-837-3790 x 151 989-837-3780 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mercury.net http://www.mercury.net 129 Ashman St, Midland, MI 48640 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Charles Wu wrote: out of curiosity (would like input from the pro net neutral people) -- would blocking something like FON constitute a violation of net neutrality? I don't think you'll find many pro net neutral people on this list. I would have to say that most of this group would say that blocking the FON network WOULD be a violation. I seem to recall an effort to do something similar to this by some California group a while back. I may be remembering wrong, but it sounds familiar. Either way, I bring them up, because I am remembering some discussions surrounding them and net neutrality. FWIW, I think most ISPs would view something like FON as a misuse of their service. There are many ISPs that may not have a written TOS (or don't have their customers sign a copy of their TOS). I don't want to get into the legality of what FON is attempting to do, as that will take the discussion outside the area of expertise of most on this list. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality
Title: Message It is pretty much precluded by Roadrunners typical Terms of Service in their contract: (b) Subscriber will not resell the Service, or any portion thereof, or otherwise charge others to use the Service, or any portion thereof. The Service is for personal use only, and Subscriber agrees not to use the Service for operation as an Internet Service Provider, to host web sites for other parties or for any other business enterprise or to connect the Cable modem to any server or to any computer outside of the Subscriber's premises. Much more of the contract is available at: http://www.twcnc.com/road_runner/info/terms.cfm . . . j o n a t h a n From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality I stilldon't see why anyone should be able to use my network without paying me for the right to do so. PERIOD. I don't run a network for the benefit of the free world, I run it for the benefit of my checkbook. Which needs SERIOUS help. :) OK, and while we're at it, why is net neutral good ? I admit I've ignored most of the discussions on it due to the fact that I'm NOT a supporter. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality out of curiosity (would like input from the pro net neutral people) -- would blocking something like FON constitute a violation of net neutrality? -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? Anyone seen FON ? This is insane. Anyone test one yet ? I want to know what network their hotspot runs back to, so I can block it Can someone that might have one throw a sniffer against it ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Rick Smith wrote: OK, and while we're at it, why is net neutral good ? I admit The terminology here is somewhat confusing. The term net neutral seems to be used to describe two unrelated ideologies (both of which are bad, IMNSHO). One is the opposite view to what ATT (and others) are trying to push through Congress to allow them to charge certain content providers for premium access to their (ATT's) customers. The other is a movement by some to make it bad to do any shaping of any type of your network traffic. Both are whacko ideas, IMO. I've ignored most of the discussions on it due to the fact that I'm NOT a supporter. I've not followed the discussions here very much, but I would agree with your assessment of the situation. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer
He said he had one extra and 3-4 people what might still want one. I am going to wait for the feedback from those who ordered this time and if all goes well I might get in on the next order. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The order has already been placed for these units and they should be arriving in the states shortly. I believe John ordered a few extras so if anyone wanted to get one who missed out on the GP they still can. I think he ordered 6080s with the memory expansion. I'm looking forward to trying mine out. Patrick Here is the prices he sent me. Brian rabbtux rabbtux wrote: please forward a price list :-) On 6/20/06, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He gave me the final prices for these, so if anyone was interested, I can forward it to you. OFFLIST Brian Brian Rohrbacher wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Sovereen wrote: I'm interested in a unit, but haven't got a response. Is [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] the right address? Dave 989-837-3790 x 151 989-837-3780 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mercury.net http://www.mercury.net 129 Ashman St, Midland, MI 48640 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington
I'd also argue that the $50 one time cost of a router is not nearly enough compenasation for a home user to risk their connection security and performance, or what ever other features are getting forced on them by accepting the $5 router. Consdiering they are likely paying $50 PER MONTH for their broadband connection. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington This should be reason enough for a close look at TOS and pricing mechanisms. If your clients have to pay more for usage, then they will think twice before buying into this. Fry's Electronics usually has a $20 wireless router on sale so this is not the only possible threat. The $20 wireless router they sell usually freezes after a couple of hours of heavy usage though... John -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 08:08 AM To: wireless@wispa.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington For those that still think the all you can eat option is a good one :-) Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - This guy needs to get a job from FON. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200989,00.html Wi-Fi Company to Sell Routers for Five Dollars Monday, June 26, 2006 STORIES . Reports of Death of Dial-Up Internet Greatly Exaggerated LONDON - FON, a Spanish start-up on an ambitious crusade to turn home Wi-Fi connections into wireless hotspots for nearby users, is set to unveil on Monday a plan to hand out 1 million wireless routers for just $5 apiece. FON, which aims to create a network of home users and small businesses to resell wireless access to passersby, said on Sunday it will subsidize $60 Cisco (CSCO) Linksys or Buffalo routers for $5 in the United States or 5 euros in Europe. Routers are small boxes users connect to cable or telephone Internet connections to broadcast wireless signals to nearby devices, inside a home, business or surrounding neighborhood. Juergen Urbanski, North American general manager, said FON, which in February raised $21.7 million from backers, including the founders of Google (GOOG) and Skype, is looking to turn the brand-name equipment into what it calls social routers. The goal of the Madrid-based company is to build block-by-block networks of shared wireless connections around the globe, turning local Wi-Fi users into an army of foneros - its term for people who share wireless access. As the company's name implies, FON aims to provide wireless Internet access not just to computer users but also for mobile phones and the latest portable gaming devices as they roam. (Story continues below) From: Kevin Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:05 AM To: 'Mike Hall' Subject: FW: Wireless In Washington From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:53 AM To: webmaster; omimo Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Wireless In Washington Hiya, Comments below. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: webmaster To: omimo Cc: Marlon Schafer Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 3:27 PM Subject: Re: Wireless In Washington I have forwarded your inquiry for reply. Mary - Original Message - From: omimo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: Wireless In Washington Hi, I was really encouraged by your experiences starting up a wireless network service. mks: Thanks! I'm about to move to a house near Uniontown WA. mks: Cool. You'll like it there. I am sad because I have to give up my connection that I 'borrow' from my landlord thanks to a small repeater sitting on his kitchen windowsill and a converted steel salad bowl with my D-Link USB unit attached. Range: 150 yards with 56Mbps to his home network. mks: Grin I was so proud of that hack. mks: Big grin! My new place is about 8km from one of the local
Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington
People just want it to work. Internet Access without support is a doomedmodel before the start, and will never be a win for anyone. As far as ISP's Internet bandwidth being stolen Thats why you do abndwdith management by Weighted Priority Method.Let them use the pipe as long as its available, and when its not, they are allocated their equal share of time slices(like dealing out cards). Maybe it will mean ISPs will enforce acceptable Use policies. MAy a standard day of maintenance for an WISP will no longer just be cell site inspections, but random drive by WAR drivingto look for unprotected networks of the consumer. Maybe fees will be assessed on non-secured networks. For example, AUP policy list "no sharing" and "secure WIFI requirement", and $25 fine per week for service that is left unsecured.First time warning, second time auto-added to the bill. Maybe it means, ISPS will require access the the end users Wifi ROuter, as a terms of service, so it can be managed that WEP is used, and number of connected computers. Maybe a 5 computer limit gets added? Its a very doable option for an ISP to track how many connections exist behind a NAT router, by packet inspection. Its also then possible to limit them as well. Then there are the pressures that the home owner has based on his own liabilties and performance risks, opening himself up to security concerns. The next issue would be if FON could be sued for aiding and embedding. FONs actions are no different than NAPSTER's as far a encouragign illegal activity on the Internet. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 To: wireless@wispa.org ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington For those that still think the all you can eat option is a good one :-) Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - This guy needs to get a job from FON http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200989,00.html Wi-Fi Company to Sell Routers for Five Dollars Monday, June 26, 2006 STORIES Reports of Death of Dial-Up Internet Greatly Exaggerated LONDON FON, a Spanish start-up on an ambitious crusade to turn home Wi-Fi connections into wireless "hotspots" for nearby users, is set to unveil on Monday a plan to hand out 1 million wireless routers for just $5 apiece. FON, which aims to create a network of home users and small businesses to resell wireless access to passersby, said on Sunday it will subsidize $60 Cisco (CSCO) Linksys or Buffalo routers for $5 in the United States or 5 euros in Europe. Routers are small boxes users connect to cable or telephone Internet connections to broadcast wireless signals to nearby devices, inside a home, business or surrounding neighborhood. Juergen Urbanski, North American general manager, said FON, which in February raised $21.7 million from backers, including the founders of Google (GOOG) and Skype, is looking to turn the brand-name equipment into what it calls "social routers." The goal of the Madrid-based company is to build block-by-block networks of shared wireless connections around the globe, turning local Wi-Fi users into an army of "foneros" its term for people who share wireless access. As the company's name implies, FON aims to provide wireless Internet access not just to computer users but also for mobile phones and the latest portable gaming devices as they roam. (Story continues below) From: Kevin Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:05 AMTo: 'Mike Hall'Subject: FW: Wireless In Washington From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:53 AMTo: webmaster; omimoCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Wireless In Washington Hiya,Comments below.Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net
RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the 400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing the same power and the cost of the card is the more then the cost of the full unit! I have not see this exact board but I have see a RTl8186 design that looks just like this one that's 80mW-100mW where the software was changed to output 400mW. When you use a basic power meter the AVERAGE power was 400mW but this is a false positive. With this setup the true power output of the DSSS channel did not go up very much. What did go up was the side lobes (2nd to 5th!) where on channel 6 it took up a full 70Mhz where is can only use 20Mhz! An basic average power meter looks at the full band when taking a power reading which is confusing if you do not have a SA to back up the info. Look at the spec what did no look right was the power output of the OFDM (13.5dBm) vs. the DSSS (26dBm). If they where using a PA is would amp both in DSSS and OFDM modes equally, which is why I think they are just changing the firmware to increase the power on DSSS only. Looking at all the RTL8186 designs I have seen over the past 24 months 13.5 OFDM is 18-20dBm DSSS not 400mW We will have to wait in see what the true case is, most of the WISP that have been in this for a year or so have some type of SA and can do a basic level test to see for themselves. We of course plan on getting one and doing our own level of testing using high end Agilent to test QAM, spectral mask, EVM etc and see what this unit truly is. Bottom line if this is a software patch and not designed to a true 400mW its going to adversely effect WISP network in a major way. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE? And don't forget that it's WiFi vs. a proprietary engineered outdoor WISP protocol -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE? That they are working on developing a new product that will have bugs, hardware issues, etc. for the first 6-12 months. Trying to get to $100 (without antenna, BTW). Trango has a $149 unit that is from a company that is established, it has a built in antenna, PoE, etc. and is ready to go today. For $30 more, the range goes from 3 miles to 13 miles. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15749577 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364972 What does everyone think? -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington
What a great idea. Bring on the $5 routers. Not only am I not having to spend the $50 to give away the routers myself, I can now sell them at $70 bucks.Many of my wifi users live in the middle of the woods with no possibility of a roaming user comming by capable to connect. Will they sell to ISPs? :-) Now all I got to do is find someone to finance my Trango CPEs for $5. :-) Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 1:26 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington This very thing is why I implemented a 5Gig rule up/down aggregate for the month written in my TOS with a $10.00 per Gig over the limit charge. There is no way possible to keep someone from sharing (although that too is prohibited by my TOS) their connection today with NAT and if you catch them what are you going to do? Prosecute them? Kick a monthly paying sub off your network? I found that just writing that little gotcha in my TOS works best for us. Bring on the $5.00 routers!! I sale bandwidth for a living and the more I sell the more I make. I am the last one in the world who thinks we ought to limit the amount of up/download data transfer!! Anyone know where I can in line to buy about a thousand of those $5.00 routers? Ill bet I can resell them for $80.00 very evil grin conniving look Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff BroadwickSent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:18 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington Yeah, I saw that...everyone should take a good look at their Terms of Service... Jeff BroadwickImageStream800-813-5123 x106 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:09 AMTo: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington For those that still think the all you can eat option is a good one :-) Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - This guy needs to get a job from FON http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200989,00.html Wi-Fi Company to Sell Routers for Five Dollars Monday, June 26, 2006 STORIES Reports of Death of Dial-Up Internet Greatly Exaggerated LONDON FON, a Spanish start-up on an ambitious crusade to turn home Wi-Fi connections into wireless "hotspots" for nearby users, is set to unveil on Monday a plan to hand out 1 million wireless routers for just $5 apiece. FON, which aims to create a network of home users and small businesses to resell wireless access to passersby, said on Sunday it will subsidize $60 Cisco (CSCO) Linksys or Buffalo routers for $5 in the United States or 5 euros in Europe. Routers are small boxes users connect to cable or telephone Internet connections to broadcast wireless signals to nearby devices, inside a home, business or surrounding neighborhood. Juergen Urbanski, North American general manager, said FON, which in February raised $21.7 million from backers, including the founders of Google (GOOG) and Skype, is looking to turn the brand-name equipment into what it calls "social routers." The goal of the Madrid-based company is to build block-by-block networks of shared wireless connections around the globe, turning local Wi-Fi users into an army of "foneros" its term for people who share wireless access. As the company's name implies, FON aims to provide wireless Internet access not just to computer users but also for mobile phones and the latest portable gaming devices as they roam. (Story continues below) From: Kevin Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:05 AMTo: 'Mike Hall'Subject: FW: Wireless In Washington From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:53 AMTo: webmaster;
Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
There is a good opinion I was looking for. That is why I posted this so someone could tell me whats wrong with it. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the 400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing the same power and the cost of the card is the more then the cost of the full unit! I have not see this exact board but I have see a RTl8186 design that looks just like this one that's 80mW-100mW where the software was changed to output 400mW. When you use a basic power meter the AVERAGE power was 400mW but this is a false positive. With this setup the true power output of the DSSS channel did not go up very much. What did go up was the side lobes (2nd to 5th!) where on channel 6 it took up a full 70Mhz where is can only use 20Mhz! An basic average power meter looks at the full band when taking a power reading which is confusing if you do not have a SA to back up the info. Look at the spec what did no look right was the power output of the OFDM (13.5dBm) vs. the DSSS (26dBm). If they where using a PA is would amp both in DSSS and OFDM modes equally, which is why I think they are just changing the firmware to increase the power on DSSS only. Looking at all the RTL8186 designs I have seen over the past 24 months 13.5 OFDM is 18-20dBm DSSS not 400mW We will have to wait in see what the true case is, most of the WISP that have been in this for a year or so have some type of SA and can do a basic level test to see for themselves. We of course plan on getting one and doing our own level of testing using high end Agilent to test QAM, spectral mask, EVM etc and see what this unit truly is. Bottom line if this is a software patch and not designed to a true 400mW its going to adversely effect WISP network in a major way. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE? And don't forget that it's WiFi vs. a proprietary engineered outdoor WISP protocol -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE? That they are working on developing a new product that will have bugs, hardware issues, etc. for the first 6-12 months. Trying to get to $100 (without antenna, BTW). Trango has a $149 unit that is from a company that is established, it has a built in antenna, PoE, etc. and is ready to go today. For $30 more, the range goes from 3 miles to 13 miles. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15749577 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364972 What does everyone think? -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
I'll be darned, that picture shore looks like the Dlink di514/di524 we use in homes? :-) On 6/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the 400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing the same power and the cost of the card is the more then the cost of the full unit! I have not see this exact board but I have see a RTl8186 design that looks just like this one that's 80mW-100mW where the software was changed to output 400mW. When you use a basic power meter the AVERAGE power was 400mW but this is a false positive. With this setup the true power output of the DSSS channel did not go up very much. What did go up was the side lobes (2nd to 5th!) where on channel 6 it took up a full 70Mhz where is can only use 20Mhz! An basic average power meter looks at the full band when taking a power reading which is confusing if you do not have a SA to back up the info. Look at the spec what did no look right was the power output of the OFDM (13.5dBm) vs. the DSSS (26dBm). If they where using a PA is would amp both in DSSS and OFDM modes equally, which is why I think they are just changing the firmware to increase the power on DSSS only. Looking at all the RTL8186 designs I have seen over the past 24 months 13.5 OFDM is 18-20dBm DSSS not 400mW We will have to wait in see what the true case is, most of the WISP that have been in this for a year or so have some type of SA and can do a basic level test to see for themselves. We of course plan on getting one and doing our own level of testing using high end Agilent to test QAM, spectral mask, EVM etc and see what this unit truly is. Bottom line if this is a software patch and not designed to a true 400mW its going to adversely effect WISP network in a major way. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE? And don't forget that it's WiFi vs. a proprietary engineered outdoor WISP protocol -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE? That they are working on developing a new product that will have bugs, hardware issues, etc. for the first 6-12 months. Trying to get to $100 (without antenna, BTW). Trango has a $149 unit that is from a company that is established, it has a built in antenna, PoE, etc. and is ready to go today. For $30 more, the range goes from 3 miles to 13 miles. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15749577 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364972 What does everyone think? -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
Well... I've already found the sub 100 dollar CPE, I just need to import them. It has Atheros A/B/G capability, protected G mode, variable channel width capability, adjustable ack timing, and assorted otehr features.And yes, that has a replaceable a/b/g mini-pci card, POE capable and all. Oh, and it's NOT a bridge. I hope to import some samples and try them out in a few days. And yeah, that's right about $100 for board/radio/power supply. And a much better feature. You don't have to deal with Richard at High Gain Antennas. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 6:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] $100 CPE? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15749577 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364972 What does everyone think? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
Just what we need: A 400 mw device, that spews noise across most of the spectrum, coupled to a 12 db 60 degree wide beam antenna. Talk about blasting noise big time. {{ sigh }} North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE? I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the 400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing the same power and the cost of the card is the more then the cost of the full unit! I have not see this exact board but I have see a RTl8186 design that looks just like this one that's 80mW-100mW where the software was changed to output 400mW. When you use a basic power meter the AVERAGE power was 400mW but this is a false positive. With this setup the true power output of the DSSS channel did not go up very much. What did go up was the side lobes (2nd to 5th!) where on channel 6 it took up a full 70Mhz where is can only use 20Mhz! An basic average power meter looks at the full band when taking a power reading which is confusing if you do not have a SA to back up the info. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington
I just took a look at my graphs for 500 customers, mostly residential, and I'm running between 3 and 5 meg 8am to midnight. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Butch Evans wrote: On Tue, 27 Jun 2006, Travis Johnson wrote: 5GB per month is about a 28.8 dial-up connection running all month long. That equates to about 24kbps per user. 1,000 users * 24kbps = 24,000kbps / 1024 = 23Mbps (or about 1/2 of a T3) for 1,000 users. 2,000 users would be about 45Mbps. Does my math work? I guess when you are talking about running 24 hours per day, it adds up fast. This would be something to worry about, but bandwidth usage doesn't work like this. You'd have to figure that at least 30% of the time, there is very little bandwidth usage, so that would leave about 16 hours/day. Also, comparing a high speed (figure an average of 512k) to a 28.8 dialup is not really fair, either. For the about 70% of the time that people use bandwidth, you'd be able to safely assume that some of these users are daytime and some are nighttime users. I'd assume that they are about 75% nightime. So...75% usage would be running 5GB during about 5-6 hours/day over a 30 day period. That is: (5GB/30)/5 = 33meg/hour = or about 10k/sec average. multiply that by the 1000 users, and you only use about 10M during the peak time. Ok..so all of you with 1000 users, stand up! :-) Really, there is not a good way to do this mathematically without a solid profile of your peak periods. This requires good graphing of your utilization. I'd wager that running 1000 users on a 10M pipe would get some complaints. Running 1000 users on a DS3 would probably be pretty close to full during peak usage times. Dual DS3 could run reasonably well, but that all depends on how much you allow each customer. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
No kidding...ease of installation at the expense of # of potential clients per sector. Sometimes there is a reason things cost. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING has a price. If you're not paying for it here, you're paying for it somewhere else. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE? Just what we need: A 400 mw device, that spews noise across most of the spectrum, coupled to a 12 db 60 degree wide beam antenna. Talk about blasting noise big time. {{ sigh }} North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! -- -- - - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE? I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the 400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing the same power and the cost of the card is the more then the cost of the full unit! I have not see this exact board but I have see a RTl8186 design that looks just like this one that's 80mW-100mW where the software was changed to output 400mW. When you use a basic power meter the AVERAGE power was 400mW but this is a false positive. With this setup the true power output of the DSSS channel did not go up very much. What did go up was the side lobes (2nd to 5th!) where on channel 6 it took up a full 70Mhz where is can only use 20Mhz! An basic average power meter looks at the full band when taking a power reading which is confusing if you do not have a SA to back up the info. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
I set my cpe at 15dbm power, and use 18 db antennas. I have found this adequate for up to 18 miles. What do you need 400 mw for? North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE? No kidding...ease of installation at the expense of # of potential clients per sector. Sometimes there is a reason things cost. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING has a price. If you're not paying for it here, you're paying for it somewhere else. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE? Just what we need: A 400 mw device, that spews noise across most of the spectrum, coupled to a 12 db 60 degree wide beam antenna. Talk about blasting noise big time. {{ sigh }} North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! -- -- - - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE? I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the 400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing the same power and the cost of the card is the more then the cost of the full unit! I have not see this exact board but I have see a RTl8186 design that looks just like this one that's 80mW-100mW where the software was changed to output 400mW. When you use a basic power meter the AVERAGE power was 400mW but this is a false positive. With this setup the true power output of the DSSS channel did not go up very much. What did go up was the side lobes (2nd to 5th!) where on channel 6 it took up a full 70Mhz where is can only use 20Mhz! An basic average power meter looks at the full band when taking a power reading which is confusing if you do not have a SA to back up the info. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
Cheap Taiwanese / Chinese / Foreign products also contain other hidden costs -- let's think conspiracy theories here =) There was a recent thread (on this list?) about Mikrotik RB532 boards spewing 1 Ghz OOB Noise when being powered w/ -48 VDC PoE (a faulty / cheap regulator -- wasn't following that closely) -- effectively taking down some ambulance communications service / etc What would happen when the DIY WISP deploys such a system -- and takes down some critical communications system, and on the extreme end, someone dies as a result of this -- then they investigate and you realize that you were inadvertently interfering w/ them by using an uncertified system... -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:08 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE? I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the 400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing the same power and the cost of the card is the more then the cost of the full unit! I have not see this exact board but I have see a RTl8186 design that looks just like this one that's 80mW-100mW where the software was changed to output 400mW. When you use a basic power meter the AVERAGE power was 400mW but this is a false positive. With this setup the true power output of the DSSS channel did not go up very much. What did go up was the side lobes (2nd to 5th!) where on channel 6 it took up a full 70Mhz where is can only use 20Mhz! An basic average power meter looks at the full band when taking a power reading which is confusing if you do not have a SA to back up the info. Look at the spec what did no look right was the power output of the OFDM (13.5dBm) vs. the DSSS (26dBm). If they where using a PA is would amp both in DSSS and OFDM modes equally, which is why I think they are just changing the firmware to increase the power on DSSS only. Looking at all the RTL8186 designs I have seen over the past 24 months 13.5 OFDM is 18-20dBm DSSS not 400mW We will have to wait in see what the true case is, most of the WISP that have been in this for a year or so have some type of SA and can do a basic level test to see for themselves. We of course plan on getting one and doing our own level of testing using high end Agilent to test QAM, spectral mask, EVM etc and see what this unit truly is. Bottom line if this is a software patch and not designed to a true 400mW its going to adversely effect WISP network in a major way. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE? And don't forget that it's WiFi vs. a proprietary engineered outdoor WISP protocol -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE? That they are working on developing a new product that will have bugs, hardware issues, etc. for the first 6-12 months. Trying to get to $100 (without antenna, BTW). Trango has a $149 unit that is from a company that is established, it has a built in antenna, PoE, etc. and is ready to go today. For $30 more, the range goes from 3 miles to 13 miles. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15749577 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364972 What does everyone think? -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
Not that I disagree with your statement about cheap equipment and getting what you pay for, but the uncertified comment doesn't make any sense. You don't certify a POE, you certify the radio and antenna, or am I missing something here? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Charles Wu wrote: Cheap Taiwanese / Chinese / Foreign products also contain other hidden costs -- let's think conspiracy theories here =) There was a recent thread (on this list?) about Mikrotik RB532 boards spewing 1 Ghz OOB Noise when being powered w/ -48 VDC PoE (a faulty / cheap regulator -- wasn't following that closely) -- effectively taking down some ambulance communications service / etc What would happen when the DIY WISP deploys such a system -- and takes down some critical communications system, and on the extreme end, someone dies as a result of this -- then they investigate and you realize that you were inadvertently interfering w/ them by using an uncertified system... -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:08 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE? I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the 400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing the same power and the cost of the card is the more then the cost of the full unit! I have not see this exact board but I have see a RTl8186 design that looks just like this one that's 80mW-100mW where the software was changed to output 400mW. When you use a basic power meter the AVERAGE power was 400mW but this is a false positive. With this setup the true power output of the DSSS channel did not go up very much. What did go up was the side lobes (2nd to 5th!) where on channel 6 it took up a full 70Mhz where is can only use 20Mhz! An basic average power meter looks at the full band when taking a power reading which is confusing if you do not have a SA to back up the info. Look at the spec what did no look right was the power output of the OFDM (13.5dBm) vs. the DSSS (26dBm). If they where using a PA is would amp both in DSSS and OFDM modes equally, which is why I think they are just changing the firmware to increase the power on DSSS only. Looking at all the RTL8186 designs I have seen over the past 24 months 13.5 OFDM is 18-20dBm DSSS not 400mW We will have to wait in see what the true case is, most of the WISP that have been in this for a year or so have some type of SA and can do a basic level test to see for themselves. We of course plan on getting one and doing our own level of testing using high end Agilent to test QAM, spectral mask, EVM etc and see what this unit truly is. Bottom line if this is a software patch and not designed to a true 400mW its going to adversely effect WISP network in a major way. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE? And don't forget that it's WiFi vs. a proprietary engineered outdoor WISP protocol -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE? That they are working on developing a new product that will have bugs, hardware issues, etc. for the first 6-12 months. Trying to get to $100 (without antenna, BTW). Trango has a $149 unit that is from a company that is established, it has a built in antenna, PoE, etc. and is ready to go today. For $30 more, the range goes from 3 miles to 13 miles. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15749577 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364972 What does everyone think? -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Being the WISP Ambassador In My County...Your Input Requested...
Jason, Here's one place for you to start. http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10hl=enlr=q=wireless+ispbtnG=Search jack Jason wrote: List, In a few days I am meeting with county officials to address the regulations, building codes, and permitting process for WISP's. When I first approached them over a year ago with the desire to build a tower-less AP on a hill side (electrical cabinet, solar, sector antenna - very simple...), I was handed the building regulations for Wireless Communications Facilities, ie, cell phone towers (think $50k+, contractors are the only ones who can touch it). I then tried to explain that what I am doing is of a different scope and scale, but no dice. Now, after being patient and pursuing the right contacts, I will get my 5 minutes. The people I am meeting with are only vaguely aware of wireless internet technology and didn't seem to know what exactly I was talking about (although there are several wisps operating in the large cities in the county, where the codes are the most rigid...). Over the phone I explained it in terms of, outdoor, large-scale wifi, and that people install $200 AP's on grain silos, and that the $50k per AP just is not a good fit for this emerging industry. They seemed very open and even glad that someone would address this, even mentioning reforming the regulations because of the increasing technology. Therefore, I have inadvertently become the WISP ambassador in my County, if only for a moment, and I want to do it right. Will you help me prepare for this meeting? They would like pictures, drawings, etc. Also, I want to have a good outline of what we, as the operators and constructors, think the building requirements should be. I especially want to contrast the shortcomings of the cell tower regulations on topics such as: 1. Site Access Off-The-Street parking: they want a 2 lane road to all commercial structures. I'd like to have to take a ATV 2 hours up a cliff and repel down the side just as a vandalism deterrent (a little exaggerated of course, but the great AP sites are all the toughest to get to). 2. Contractors Do All The Work: I want to build the unit myself, turn-key style; if a contractor has to sit it on the ground or bolt it to a pole that's OK. 3. Permit Required: Do I need a permit for every AP? Do the mesh/muni guys have to apply for a permit with full engineering drawings, site plan showing all utilities, signatures of every property owner within 1000' (the cell tower regs require this...), and a public hearing that has a 3 month wait list? 4. 6' tall fence around all AP's: no explanation necessary. 5. Operational Certificate By a Professional Engineer: Mostly wind load language here... 6. Being Bonded To An Insurer For The Price Of Removal: In case you abandon your tower, to pay for someone to take it down. The area I am trying to serve is rural and mostly a retirement community with low income. My service has to match. It has to be built cheaply, and the regs just don't allow it, not for anyone that wants a ROI. Any ideas are more than welcome, and if my documents turn out good enough, I'll submit them to the list for others to recycle during their 5 minutes. Sorry for writing a novel, Jason -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Missouri Crane service
Correction: I should have said... about 75 miles WEST of St. Louis.. J. Vogel wrote: Sorry for the noise for those of you not familiar with Missouri, but does one of the Wisps on this list operating in Missouri have any recommendations for crane services I should contact to assist in removing a 140` (Rohn SSV) tower located about 75 miles east of St. Louis? Email me offlist if you wish. Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming John Vogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality
Why don't we as an industry organization start putting net neutrality in clear light. We've got people running around using the net neutrality banner to demand unfiltered P2P use, unlimited data transfers, or that QOS NOT be implemented. I think it would be more constructive if we broke this up a bit and more clearly focused on certain issues: 1. restricting end users from sites for pay.I think this is THE issue of importance. Can, say, SBC, demand money from content providers for SBC's dsl and dialup customers to reach it? 2. restricting use of a service in TOS agreements with contracted customer. ( limits on transfer, hosting prohibitions, etc, etc) 3. Network operations. (blocking malicious traffic, broadcast packets, QOS, blah blah) I see all three of these mixed together under the banner of net neutrality and I think it has done a huge amount ot cloud the debate and discussion, rather than enlighten or resolve anything. The big guys are saying If you want ot reach OUR customers, pay us, while at the same time, telling thier customers if you want to reach the internet, pay us - but I don't see anything telling thier customers you won't be able reach, or you'll have slow access to this list of sites unless they pay us as well!. Frankly, I'm all for letting anyone run thier network any way they wish. But that the customer have protection, in the following manner... That any ISP that engages in the practice outlined under #1, be required to disclose that to thier customers, and that they have a publicly available list of all restricted or degraded sites for anyone and everyone to examine at thier leisure.And if they don't, thier customers can sue them. This is a consumer protection law that is relatively non-intrusive, and certainly doesn't restrict network operations. In fact, it wouldn't be bad to apply #2 and #3 partly to this kind of law, as well. I don't think it needs to be federal, certainly state laws are more than sufficient. As a provider's association, WISPA should be issueing press releases and lobbying to make this an informed debate and clear up some of the confusion about net neutrality and to bring some clarity and clarity to the issues brought up. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality I understood Charles post regarding net neutrality, that you summarized also very clearly. My point is that Net Neutrality conflicts with other laws and regulations as well. So voting for some thing for one reason, could also mean voting against it for another. For a strong Net NEtrality act, you'd aahve to allow FON, but for other leegal matters, you'd have to deny FON. So it becomes a compflict of which issue is more important to protect? Whcih has precidence? Thats what Congress and ISPs have to decide. Its not a right ro wrong answer. Its what answer has more (or more important) rights than wrongs? I think Home Land Security/Law inforcement/ Privacy advocates, and Net Neutrality experets really need to be ALL working on the Net neutrality issue together, because its all intertwined. What I see happening is a bunch of conflicting regulations being passed, with out rtealizing it when getting voted on. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality I think what Charles is getting at is, is it legal for an ISP to place the 'no open AP' or 'no sharing your connection' restriction on your service? I have heard some people arguing the case that NN is I'm paying for my bandwidth so I can do what I want to with it. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Tom DeReggi wrote: If it was, then it would be illegal to block hackers and criminals from using your network as well. As FON clearly has no concern for Acceptable Use Policiies, therefore illegal activity, and AUPs are clearly allowable and enforcable contracts. Strategically its a great time for FON to release their venture, to test the rules, the public, and ISPs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Charles Wu mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:32 AM *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com
RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality
Tom, You have a lot of good points, but so does Charles and others, Why don't you petition WISPA and some of the other ISP organization to sponsor a Net Neutrality bakeoff. You can have views from the service provider aspects. What needs and will come out of it in the end will be the discussion of how complex this issue is. Then Steam it so people can watch get educated on their own time. (The ISP organization can brand the daylights out of it for their contributions). Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality I understood Charles post regarding net neutrality, that you summarized also very clearly. My point is that Net Neutrality conflicts with other laws and regulations as well. So voting for some thing for one reason, could also mean voting against it for another. For a strong Net NEtrality act, you'd aahve to allow FON, but for other leegal matters, you'd have to deny FON. So it becomes a compflict of which issue is more important to protect? Whcih has precidence? Thats what Congress and ISPs have to decide. Its not a right ro wrong answer. Its what answer has more (or more important) rights than wrongs? I think Home Land Security/Law inforcement/ Privacy advocates, and Net Neutrality experets really need to be ALL working on the Net neutrality issue together, because its all intertwined. What I see happening is a bunch of conflicting regulations being passed, with out rtealizing it when getting voted on. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality I think what Charles is getting at is, is it legal for an ISP to place the 'no open AP' or 'no sharing your connection' restriction on your service? I have heard some people arguing the case that NN is I'm paying for my bandwidth so I can do what I want to with it. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Tom DeReggi wrote: If it was, then it would be illegal to block hackers and criminals from using your network as well. As FON clearly has no concern for Acceptable Use Policiies, therefore illegal activity, and AUPs are clearly allowable and enforcable contracts. Strategically its a great time for FON to release their venture, to test the rules, the public, and ISPs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Charles Wu mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:32 AM *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com http://www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality out of curiosity (would like input from the pro net neutral people) -- would blocking something like FON constitute a violation of net neutrality? -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Rick Smith *Sent:* Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:41 AM *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? Anyone seen FON ? This is insane. Anyone test one yet ? I want to know what network their hotspot runs back to, so I can block it Can someone that might have one throw a sniffer against it ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ !DSPAM:16,44a2c5c4194921117628507! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ok, what DO you want?
Ok, so I found a vendor... Someone who is OEM'ing boards and products that are sold by and reccommended by respected members of this list. Salesman makes the following claims: for capabilities... Support for higher power, and a/b/g atheros mini-pci cards - supports 2.4 and 5 ghz bands. POE, either 802.3af or passive Routing Distance optimization. (more than just ack timing adjust) dhcp Adjustable channel widths, presumably compatible with MT, Star-OS, and Ikarus cloaking. Many other features. both MIPS and xscale based boards, not all features apply to all boards. I'd love to make a group purchase (and the supplier would love to sell by the thousands) after I've evaluated a few samples I'm about to get sent in. Is anyone interested?Presumable prices for bulk buys would be right about $100 for board, mini-pci radio of choice and power supply / injector. I really am not attempting to make any money here, I'd just like to get the cheaper CPE. If I flood the name of the vendor, the sales staff may well stop being willing to sell smaller quantities to non-resellers. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Missouri Crane service
I know there is a crane service in Rolla, MO, never used them and don't know the name offhand. Did you buy that tower in St James? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Vogel Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Missouri Crane service Correction: I should have said... about 75 miles WEST of St. Louis.. J. Vogel wrote: Sorry for the noise for those of you not familiar with Missouri, but does one of the Wisps on this list operating in Missouri have any recommendations for crane services I should contact to assist in removing a 140` (Rohn SSV) tower located about 75 miles east of St. Louis? Email me offlist if you wish. Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming John Vogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ok, what DO you want?
Isn't this still at least a $200 CPE? Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Ok, so I found a vendor... Someone who is OEM'ing boards and products that are sold by and reccommended by respected members of this list. Salesman makes the following claims: for capabilities... Support for higher power, and a/b/g atheros mini-pci cards - supports 2.4 and 5 ghz bands. POE, either 802.3af or passive Routing Distance optimization. (more than just ack timing adjust) dhcp Adjustable channel widths, presumably compatible with MT, Star-OS, and Ikarus cloaking. Many other features. both MIPS and xscale based boards, not all features apply to all boards. I'd love to make a group purchase (and the supplier would love to sell by the thousands) after I've evaluated a few samples I'm about to get sent in. Is anyone interested?Presumable prices for bulk buys would be right about $100 for board, mini-pci radio of choice and power supply / injector. I really am not attempting to make any money here, I'd just like to get the cheaper CPE. If I flood the name of the vendor, the sales staff may well stop being willing to sell smaller quantities to non-resellers. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington
On 6/27/06, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand the reasoning behind why a lot of operators want to dothis or think it's a good thing. But, in my market, cable and DSLdoesn't charge this way. And I'll have to admit that I like to do video across the net watching news etc.Unfortunately the market place has ruled out metered or measuredbroadband. So we need to think about the future, and the future is abusier network. Not sure I'd want to start charging by the bit at this point along the way.(just wondering) Do you have something to back up the statement that the market place has ruled out metered or measured broadband, or only assume so because you do not see it being done? I know WildBlue, for one, meters bandwidth usage and limits it aggresively when one oversteps the allotted amount. And it sounds like Mac is doing pretty well with bandwidth caps. So how again exactly is a usage limit ruled out? Best,-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Trango M900 AP - Connectorized?
I'm getting conflicting information from Trango sales reps, their online PDF datasheet and others who know the product. So... Does the M900 AP come connectorized? If so, what connector? My application is about 2 miles NLOS (many trees). Looking to do it with omni...don't have to go hpol. Who's using what and are you happy with it? Thanks! Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Missouri Crane service
Thanks. I have a call in to Gabriele crane service in Rolla, but they haven't yet returned it. The tower is in St. James. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark McElvy wrote: I know there is a crane service in Rolla, MO, never used them and don't know the name offhand. Did you buy that tower in St James? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Vogel Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Missouri Crane service Correction: I should have said... about 75 miles WEST of St. Louis.. J. Vogel wrote: Sorry for the noise for those of you not familiar with Missouri, but does one of the Wisps on this list operating in Missouri have any recommendations for crane services I should contact to assist in removing a 140` (Rohn SSV) tower located about 75 miles east of St. Louis? Email me offlist if you wish. Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming John Vogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality
On 6/28/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it was, then it would be illegal to block hackers and criminals from using your network as well. As FON clearly has no concern for Acceptable Use Policiies, therefore illegal activity, and AUPs are clearly allowable and enforcable contracts. Strategically its a great time for FON to release their venture, to test the rules, the public, and ISPs.Wow, have any of you actually reviewed their site? OMFG the sky is falling hands waving! You may be interested in http://en.fon.com/biz/isps_friends.php.Also, the Terms and Conditions of Use CLEARLY states:4. Prior RequirementsThe user that opts for the Linus or Bill category, should, prior to accepting these TCs and before registering with the FON Community:(i) have a FON Social Router or a router that is compatible with the FONSoftware and (ii) have a contract with an ISP that permits the FONero to share bandwidth.Best,-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango M900 AP - Connectorized?
Mark Nash wrote: I'm getting conflicting information from Trango sales reps, their online PDF datasheet and others who know the product. So... Does the M900 AP come connectorized? If so, what connector? My application is about 2 miles NLOS (many trees). Looking to do it with omni...don't have to go hpol. Who's using what and are you happy with it? Thanks! Hi Mark...I have one and it does have a connector; I believe it's Reverse SMA. We're not deployed yet but I'm going to be using it with an omni as well. Take care leon Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- *Leon Zetekoff* Proprietor *Work:* 484-335-9920 *Mobile:* 610-223-8642 *Fax:* 484-335-9921 *Email:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *http://www.linkedin.com/in/leonzetekoff* *BackWoods Wireless* http://www.backwoodswireless.net 505 B Main Street http://maps.google.com/maps?q=505+B+Main+Street%2CBlandon%2CPA+19510hl=en Blandon, PA 19510 Bringing Broadband Technology to Rural Areas See who we know in common http://www.linkedin.com/e/wwk/1265359/ Want a signature like this? http://www.linkedin.com/e/sig/1265359/ begin:vcard fn:Leon Zetekoff n:Zetekoff;Leon org:BackWoods Wireless adr;dom:;;505 B Main Street;Blandon;PA;19510 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Owner tel;work:484-335-9920 tel;fax:484-335-9921 tel;home:610-916-0230 tel;cell:610-223-8642 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.backwoodswireless.net version:2.1 end:vcard -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ok, what DO you want?
Is this an all-in-one antenna included, or not? Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Ok, so I found a vendor... Someone who is OEM'ing boards and products that are sold by and reccommended by respected members of this list. Salesman makes the following claims: for capabilities... Support for higher power, and a/b/g atheros mini-pci cards - supports 2.4 and 5 ghz bands. POE, either 802.3af or passive Routing Distance optimization. (more than just ack timing adjust) dhcp Adjustable channel widths, presumably compatible with MT, Star-OS, and Ikarus cloaking. Many other features. both MIPS and xscale based boards, not all features apply to all boards. I'd love to make a group purchase (and the supplier would love to sell by the thousands) after I've evaluated a few samples I'm about to get sent in. Is anyone interested?Presumable prices for bulk buys would be right about $100 for board, mini-pci radio of choice and power supply / injector. I really am not attempting to make any money here, I'd just like to get the cheaper CPE. If I flood the name of the vendor, the sales staff may well stop being willing to sell smaller quantities to non-resellers. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality
Dylan Oliver wrote: http://en.fon.com/biz/isps_friends.php. (i) have a FON Social Router or a router that is compatible with the FON Software and (ii) have a contract with an ISP that permits the FONero to share bandwidth. And how many of your customers actually read all the fine print in your TOS? I know mine don't. :( David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Trango M900 AP - Connectorized?
Mark, The M900AP (every one of them) have your choice of either integrated HPOL or VPOL antenna's that is software switchable or external antenna fitting. The external antenna fitting is a RP-SMA. I have several of the PAC Wireless V Pol antennas that I tried, but the noise in the sticks in the 900MHz range is more than expected and I had to buy the HPOL PacWireless Omnis - which by the ay - - work fantastic! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 6:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango M900 AP - Connectorized? I'm getting conflicting information from Trango sales reps, their online PDF datasheet and others who know the product. So... Does the M900 AP come connectorized? If so, what connector? My application is about 2 miles NLOS (many trees). Looking to do it with omni...don't have to go hpol. Who's using what and are you happy with it? Thanks! Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Trango M900 AP - Connectorized?
Yes - RP-SMA John Buwa Michiana Wireless -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 6:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango M900 AP - Connectorized? I'm getting conflicting information from Trango sales reps, their online PDF datasheet and others who know the product. So... Does the M900 AP come connectorized? If so, what connector? My application is about 2 miles NLOS (many trees). Looking to do it with omni...don't have to go hpol. Who's using what and are you happy with it? Thanks! Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ok, what DO you want?
it is what I said it is... a board, atheros based radio, power supply. For a full cpe you'll need a pigtail, enclosure, and antenna. That makes it about 140 to 170. I very much dislike rootennas, and haven't seen any alternatives I like. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: N White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ok, what DO you want? Is this an all-in-one antenna included, or not? Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Ok, so I found a vendor... Someone who is OEM'ing boards and products that are sold by and reccommended by respected members of this list. Salesman makes the following claims: for capabilities... Support for higher power, and a/b/g atheros mini-pci cards - supports 2.4 and 5 ghz bands. POE, either 802.3af or passive Routing Distance optimization. (more than just ack timing adjust) dhcp Adjustable channel widths, presumably compatible with MT, Star-OS, and Ikarus cloaking. Many other features. both MIPS and xscale based boards, not all features apply to all boards. I'd love to make a group purchase (and the supplier would love to sell by the thousands) after I've evaluated a few samples I'm about to get sent in. Is anyone interested?Presumable prices for bulk buys would be right about $100 for board, mini-pci radio of choice and power supply / injector. I really am not attempting to make any money here, I'd just like to get the cheaper CPE. If I flood the name of the vendor, the sales staff may well stop being willing to sell smaller quantities to non-resellers. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! -- -- - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/