Re: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage?
Hmm I just tried it again and they were OK. http://jawga.com/radio.php -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven G McGehee Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage? Hm, I think you're right -- I thought that's what the suit I was looking at was made of, I'll look again tomorrow. Thanks for the link, but all of the pictures appear to be broken. As for the XM repeater, a co-worker spoke with the XM engineer who reported that the unit they have in place on this rooftop is doing a total EIRP of just 200 watts, which is comforting compared to what they can get up to. Thanks again. ralphlists wrote: > I don't think Nomex has anything to do with RF suits or EMR suits. > They are fire retardant suits for people who fly and do other things where > they don't want to get burned up. > > As to your XM transmitter, I have one at one of my sites. > My friend put some pics on his web page. > http://jawga.com/radio.php > > > Here are some guidelines we got when they put one on one of our towers. > > XM Radio Freq Frequency: 2332.5-2345 MHz > To accomplish this, XM-Radio alone will set up about 1,500 high-power > terrestrial repeaters. > Each market will typically have dual repeaters at 2337.485 MHz and 2340.015 > MHz. > CAUTION: STAY CLEAR OF XM-RADIO & SIRIUS TRANSMIT ANTENNAS > The radiation in an operational system is similar to that of a MICROWAVE > OVEN! > Avoid the main lobe while servicing equipment on your tower. > > > Ralph > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Steven G McGehee > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:12 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage? > > Hi all, > > I was curious if you guys used EMR suits (i.e., suits made with "Nomex" > or similar material). If so, under what circumstances, and if not, why > not? :-) > > Basically I'm just wanting to get an idea on people's thoughts on how > important these suits are to wear and when, and any other thoughts on > the matter. Whether it be around cellular equipment, AM/FM/XM stations, etc. > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
I made the comment to an attorney the other day, that I don't drive in the same block as the courthouse any more without an attorney. Contracts are an agreement - they are not ironclad. You can discuss putting all sorts of stuff in a contract, but just because it is in the contract does not make it binding. If you put something in the contract that is contrary to state, federal, local or even case law, than it is just not valid. If the city already has imunity from liability, then nothing you put in there will change that. My "contracts" with WISP's are gentlemans agreements. My "contracts" with cell carriers are puffery. Well written by expensive attornies, but puffery none the less. If I read all this right, the OP has a deal where for no cost he can get on a city water tower, sites that he has been working on for two years. Is the contract perfect? Is any contract perfect? Is it a good deal for the WISP? Yeah, I would specify a limit on the free service. The other stuff, I would probably just sign and run with. The matter of what is included? Get them using your service and they will let you do whatever you need to do - within reason of course. It is not costing you any monthly money! That is considered a hell of a deal in a lot of places! I guess the litmus test would be, does your attorney play golf with the city attorney? Do you play golf with the city attorney? Really. If you have a relationship, or your attorney does, then making changes is easy. If no relationship, minor changes are viewed as more of a pain in the butt. There is a popular saying, that a man who is his own lawyer has a fool for his client. Surely you have have an attorney. It is well worth the money for his review. Bob's comment about a seperate corp for each tower site? Not a bad idea - often you will find a company has a few sites under each corp. For this to be really effective though you must not allow the corporate veil to be pierced, so you have to have seperate financials for each corp, annual meetings, corp book, etc. (we hold all of ours one after another on new years day) And corporations take different forms, which one is right for you? S chapter? LLC, etc? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "Bob Moldashel" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower contracts >I am sure Blake will agree with me. No two contracts are the same > especially in the tower business and especially when dealing with > municipalities. > > If you don't like a clause submit a change request. Their will either > entertain it or say no. The other thing that might happen is they just > stop talking to you. > > I don't know what you are paying them, if anything, but I would run with > this. Its not out of the norm but it would be nice to have the > reciprocity in case they do something that makes you liable. If you are > that worried, open another corporation and sign the lease under that > one. Lease "network services" to you existing company and if something > ever happens you have the buffer. > > Slimy but its done every day. > > -B- > > > > RickG wrote: >> One of our favorite topics :) >> >> So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've >> posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these >> days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made >> some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is >> that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an "easement >> contract" of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the >> "indemification section". Basically, it reads as follows: >> >> INDEMNIFICATION: >> The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify >> Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any >> other >> claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's >> use of the >> easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful >> conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as >> set forth >> in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights >> afford under its Sovereign Immunity. >> >> Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does >> the reverse! Thoughts? >> -RickG >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
Llc is the way to go. --- Justin Wilson On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:54 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: > Many cell guys do this when building sites. Each site is its own > corporation > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: RickG > Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 21:38:32 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower contracts > > The more I do these, the more I like using a separate corporation for > the purpose. Thanks! > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Bob Moldashel > wrote: >> I am sure Blake will agree with me. No two contracts are the same >> especially in the tower business and especially when dealing with >> municipalities. >> >> If you don't like a clause submit a change request. Their will >> either >> entertain it or say no. The other thing that might happen is they >> just >> stop talking to you. >> >> I don't know what you are paying them, if anything, but I would run >> with >> this. Its not out of the norm but it would be nice to have the >> reciprocity in case they do something that makes you liable. If >> you are >> that worried, open another corporation and sign the lease under that >> one. Lease "network services" to you existing company and if >> something >> ever happens you have the buffer. >> >> Slimy but its done every day. >> >> -B- >> >> >> >> RickG wrote: >>> One of our favorite topics :) >>> >>> So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've >>> posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular >>> these >>> days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally >>> made >>> some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is >>> that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an "easement >>> contract" of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the >>> "indemification section". Basically, it reads as follows: >>> >>> INDEMNIFICATION: >>> The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and >>> indemnify >>> Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability >>> or any other >>> claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the >>> Grantee's >>> use of the >>> easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or >>> willful >>> conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance >>> obligations as set forth >>> in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all >>> rights >>> afford under its Sovereign Immunity. >>> >>> Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract >>> does >>> the reverse! Thoughts? >>> -RickG >>> >>> >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > --- > --- > --- > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > --- > --- > --- > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > --- > --- > --- > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > --- > --- > --- > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Well as I say there is an exeption to every rule :) On 3/3/10, Philip Dorr wrote: > Me... > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: >> Who looks at the sticker on an installed router :( >> >> On 3/2/10, Philip Dorr wrote: >>> it is printed in a list format and the ports have sequential MACs >>> >>> Example for a 5 port Routerboard >>> 00:0C:42:13:02:B7 >>> ... >>> 00:0C:42:13:02:BB >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: But doesn't each port have it's own MAC address? Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:57 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: > on Mikrotik devices it is usually on a sticker included with the device > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: >> Thanks! But how do I determine the original MAC address if I already >> overwrote it? >> >> Greg >> >> On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: >> >>> export to file >>> edit the file and change the MAC to the original >>> import from file >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman >>> wrote: I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same question many times. Maybe someone can figure it out or answer? On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen wrote: > Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address? > > Greg > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > >> And it will drive you nuts. Especially if you use it to template >> and >> get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP. Augh... >> >> On 3/2/10, Scott Reed wrote: >>> Be careful with exporting interfaces. It takes the MAC address >>> and >>> sets >>> it on the new device. You can just delete the >>> MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in >>> WordPad, save the file and then import it. >>> >>> Greg Ihnen wrote: Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way it would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the x86 hardware) that won't work in the RB750? Thanks! Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Greg, > > Yes there is > > /ip address export file=ipaddr86 > /ip route export file=iprout86 > > Then... > > /import file=iproute86.rsc > /import file=ipaddr86.rsc > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage > to > continue > that counts.” > --- Winston Churchill > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen > > wrote: > > >> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the >> outside >> world. >> >> The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for >> pointing >> me >> there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a >> look >> at >> the >> routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the >> route >> with a >> destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of >> 201.222.12.53 >> (the >> modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of >> 10. >> With >> that >> one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered >> routes >> and >> it >> all >> works. >> >> But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the >> RB750 >> and >> then >> configure it and get the routes right it works as I said >> above. >> But if >> I >> take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up >> and >> load >> that >> and then set everything right (including the routes) it still >> won't >> work! >> The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. >> I >> don't >> know >> if that could be it.
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Me... On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Who looks at the sticker on an installed router :( > > On 3/2/10, Philip Dorr wrote: >> it is printed in a list format and the ports have sequential MACs >> >> Example for a 5 port Routerboard >> 00:0C:42:13:02:B7 >> ... >> 00:0C:42:13:02:BB >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: >>> But doesn't each port have it's own MAC address? >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:57 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: >>> on Mikrotik devices it is usually on a sticker included with the device On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: > Thanks! But how do I determine the original MAC address if I already > overwrote it? > > Greg > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: > >> export to file >> edit the file and change the MAC to the original >> import from file >> >> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman >> wrote: >>> I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same >>> question many times. >>> >>> Maybe someone can figure it out or answer? >>> >>> On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen wrote: Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address? Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > And it will drive you nuts. Especially if you use it to template > and > get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP. Augh... > > On 3/2/10, Scott Reed wrote: >> Be careful with exporting interfaces. It takes the MAC address and >> sets >> it on the new device. You can just delete the >> MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in >> WordPad, save the file and then import it. >> >> Greg Ihnen wrote: >>> Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? >>> That way >>> it >>> would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is >>> there >>> anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to >>> the >>> x86 >>> hardware) that won't work in the RB750? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Greg >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> >>> Greg, Yes there is /ip address export file=ipaddr86 /ip route export file=iprout86 Then... /import file=iproute86.rsc /import file=ipaddr86.rsc Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: > Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside > world. > > The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for > pointing > me > there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look > at > the > routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route > with a > destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 > (the > modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. > With > that > one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes > and > it > all > works. > > But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 > and > then > configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. > But if > I > take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and > load > that > and then set everything right (including the routes) it still > won't > work! > The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I > don't > know > if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I > just > have > to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. > > What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on > an > RB750. > > Thanks to all who replied. > > Greg > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Who looks at the sticker on an installed router :( On 3/2/10, Philip Dorr wrote: > it is printed in a list format and the ports have sequential MACs > > Example for a 5 port Routerboard > 00:0C:42:13:02:B7 > ... > 00:0C:42:13:02:BB > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: >> But doesn't each port have it's own MAC address? >> >> Greg >> >> On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:57 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: >> >>> on Mikrotik devices it is usually on a sticker included with the device >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: Thanks! But how do I determine the original MAC address if I already overwrote it? Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: > export to file > edit the file and change the MAC to the original > import from file > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: >> I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same >> question many times. >> >> Maybe someone can figure it out or answer? >> >> On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen wrote: >>> Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address? >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> And it will drive you nuts. Especially if you use it to template and get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP. Augh... On 3/2/10, Scott Reed wrote: > Be careful with exporting interfaces. It takes the MAC address and > sets > it on the new device. You can just delete the > MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in > WordPad, save the file and then import it. > > Greg Ihnen wrote: >> Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? >> That way >> it >> would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is >> there >> anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to >> the >> x86 >> hardware) that won't work in the RB750? >> >> Thanks! >> Greg >> >> On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >> >>> Greg, >>> >>> Yes there is >>> >>> /ip address export file=ipaddr86 >>> /ip route export file=iprout86 >>> >>> Then... >>> >>> /import file=iproute86.rsc >>> /import file=ipaddr86.rsc >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >>> continue >>> that counts.” >>> --- Winston Churchill >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all works. But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. Thanks to all who replied. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > Did you set the correct default route on the 750? > > Greg Ihnen wrote: > >> I have an RB750 which I'm trying to inst
Re: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage?
Hm, I think you're right -- I thought that's what the suit I was looking at was made of, I'll look again tomorrow. Thanks for the link, but all of the pictures appear to be broken. As for the XM repeater, a co-worker spoke with the XM engineer who reported that the unit they have in place on this rooftop is doing a total EIRP of just 200 watts, which is comforting compared to what they can get up to. Thanks again. ralphlists wrote: > I don't think Nomex has anything to do with RF suits or EMR suits. > They are fire retardant suits for people who fly and do other things where > they don't want to get burned up. > > As to your XM transmitter, I have one at one of my sites. > My friend put some pics on his web page. > http://jawga.com/radio.php > > > Here are some guidelines we got when they put one on one of our towers. > > XM Radio Freq Frequency: 2332.5-2345 MHz > To accomplish this, XM-Radio alone will set up about 1,500 high-power > terrestrial repeaters. > Each market will typically have dual repeaters at 2337.485 MHz and 2340.015 > MHz. > CAUTION: STAY CLEAR OF XM-RADIO & SIRIUS TRANSMIT ANTENNAS > The radiation in an operational system is similar to that of a MICROWAVE > OVEN! > Avoid the main lobe while servicing equipment on your tower. > > > Ralph > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Steven G McGehee > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:12 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage? > > Hi all, > > I was curious if you guys used EMR suits (i.e., suits made with "Nomex" > or similar material). If so, under what circumstances, and if not, why > not? :-) > > Basically I'm just wanting to get an idea on people's thoughts on how > important these suits are to wear and when, and any other thoughts on > the matter. Whether it be around cellular equipment, AM/FM/XM stations, etc. > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
it is printed in a list format and the ports have sequential MACs Example for a 5 port Routerboard 00:0C:42:13:02:B7 ... 00:0C:42:13:02:BB On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: > But doesn't each port have it's own MAC address? > > Greg > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:57 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: > >> on Mikrotik devices it is usually on a sticker included with the device >> >> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: >>> Thanks! But how do I determine the original MAC address if I already >>> overwrote it? >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: >>> export to file edit the file and change the MAC to the original import from file On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same > question many times. > > Maybe someone can figure it out or answer? > > On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen wrote: >> Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address? >> >> Greg >> >> On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >>> And it will drive you nuts. Especially if you use it to template and >>> get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP. Augh... >>> >>> On 3/2/10, Scott Reed wrote: Be careful with exporting interfaces. It takes the MAC address and sets it on the new device. You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in WordPad, save the file and then import it. Greg Ihnen wrote: > Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That > way > it > would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there > anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the > x86 > hardware) that won't work in the RB750? > > Thanks! > Greg > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > >> Greg, >> >> Yes there is >> >> /ip address export file=ipaddr86 >> /ip route export file=iprout86 >> >> Then... >> >> /import file=iproute86.rsc >> /import file=ipaddr86.rsc >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >> continue >> that counts.” >> --- Winston Churchill >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen >> wrote: >> >> >>> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside >>> world. >>> >>> The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing >>> me >>> there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at >>> the >>> routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route >>> with a >>> destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the >>> modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. >>> With >>> that >>> one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and >>> it >>> all >>> works. >>> >>> But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and >>> then >>> configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But >>> if >>> I >>> take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and >>> load >>> that >>> and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't >>> work! >>> The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I >>> don't >>> know >>> if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I >>> just >>> have >>> to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. >>> >>> What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an >>> RB750. >>> >>> Thanks to all who replied. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: >>> >>> Did you set the correct default route on the 750? Greg Ihnen wrote: > I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. > The > >>> modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN >>> port >>> (Eth1 >>> Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I >>> can't >>> access >>> or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to th
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
But doesn't each port have it's own MAC address? Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:57 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: > on Mikrotik devices it is usually on a sticker included with the device > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: >> Thanks! But how do I determine the original MAC address if I already >> overwrote it? >> >> Greg >> >> On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: >> >>> export to file >>> edit the file and change the MAC to the original >>> import from file >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman >>> wrote: I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same question many times. Maybe someone can figure it out or answer? On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen wrote: > Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address? > > Greg > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > >> And it will drive you nuts. Especially if you use it to template and >> get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP. Augh... >> >> On 3/2/10, Scott Reed wrote: >>> Be careful with exporting interfaces. It takes the MAC address and sets >>> it on the new device. You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in >>> WordPad, save the file and then import it. >>> >>> Greg Ihnen wrote: Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way it would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the x86 hardware) that won't work in the RB750? Thanks! Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Greg, > > Yes there is > > /ip address export file=ipaddr86 > /ip route export file=iprout86 > > Then... > > /import file=iproute86.rsc > /import file=ipaddr86.rsc > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > continue > that counts.” > --- Winston Churchill > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen > wrote: > > >> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside >> world. >> >> The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing >> me >> there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at >> the >> routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with >> a >> destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the >> modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With >> that >> one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and >> it >> all >> works. >> >> But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and >> then >> configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But >> if >> I >> take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load >> that >> and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't >> work! >> The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I >> don't >> know >> if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just >> have >> to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. >> >> What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an >> RB750. >> >> Thanks to all who replied. >> >> Greg >> >> On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: >> >> >>> Did you set the correct default route on the 750? >>> >>> Greg Ihnen wrote: >>> I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The >> modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port >> (Eth1 >> Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't >> access >> or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem >> but >> not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any >> idea >> what >> this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have >> at >> another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on >> Eth1, >> manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the mod
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Ahh thanks Chuck :) On 3/2/10, Chuck Hogg wrote: > Opps hit send too early... > > Alternatively you can do for Ethernet: > int ether reset-mac-address ether1 > > For wireless (reset total config for wireless wlan1) > int wire reset wlan1 > > > > Regards, > Chuck Hogg > Shelby Broadband > 502-722-9292 > ch...@shelbybb.com > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Chuck Hogg > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:19 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750 > > I think what he's saying is to do : > > export file=fullexport > > download/modify the file fullexport removing the mac address information > from the interfaces. > > System reset-configuration > Y (causes Reboot) > Upload fullexport.rsc > Import file=fullexport.rsc > > > > Regards, > Chuck Hogg > Shelby Broadband > 502-722-9292 > ch...@shelbybb.com > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Greg Ihnen > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:57 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750 > > Thanks! But how do I determine the original MAC address if I already > overwrote it? > > Greg > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: > >> export to file >> edit the file and change the MAC to the original >> import from file >> >> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman >> wrote: >>> I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same >>> question many times. >>> >>> Maybe someone can figure it out or answer? >>> >>> On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen wrote: Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address? Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > And it will drive you nuts. Especially if you use it to template > and > get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP. Augh... > > On 3/2/10, Scott Reed wrote: >> Be careful with exporting interfaces. It takes the MAC address > and sets >> it on the new device. You can just delete the > MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in >> WordPad, save the file and then import it. >> >> Greg Ihnen wrote: >>> Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? > That way >>> it >>> would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is > there >>> anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific > to the >>> x86 >>> hardware) that won't work in the RB750? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Greg >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> >>> Greg, Yes there is /ip address export file=ipaddr86 /ip route export file=iprout86 Then... /import file=iproute86.rsc /import file=ipaddr86.rsc Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage > to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen > wrote: > Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the > outside > world. > > The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for > pointing > me > there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a > look at > the > routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route > with a > destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 > (the > modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of > 10. With > that > one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered > routes and > it > all > works. > > But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 > and > then > configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. > But if > I > take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up > and load > that > and then set everything right (including the routes) it still > won't > work! > The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. > I don't > know > if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, > I just > have > to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. > > What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on > an > RB750. > > Thanks to all who replied. > > Greg > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > > >> Did you set the co
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
on Mikrotik devices it is usually on a sticker included with the device On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: > Thanks! But how do I determine the original MAC address if I already > overwrote it? > > Greg > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: > >> export to file >> edit the file and change the MAC to the original >> import from file >> >> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman >> wrote: >>> I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same >>> question many times. >>> >>> Maybe someone can figure it out or answer? >>> >>> On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen wrote: Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address? Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > And it will drive you nuts. Especially if you use it to template and > get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP. Augh... > > On 3/2/10, Scott Reed wrote: >> Be careful with exporting interfaces. It takes the MAC address and sets >> it on the new device. You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in >> WordPad, save the file and then import it. >> >> Greg Ihnen wrote: >>> Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way >>> it >>> would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there >>> anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the >>> x86 >>> hardware) that won't work in the RB750? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Greg >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> >>> Greg, Yes there is /ip address export file=ipaddr86 /ip route export file=iprout86 Then... /import file=iproute86.rsc /import file=ipaddr86.rsc Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: > Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside > world. > > The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing > me > there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at > the > routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a > destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the > modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With > that > one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and > it > all > works. > > But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and > then > configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if > I > take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load > that > and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't > work! > The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't > know > if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just > have > to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. > > What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an > RB750. > > Thanks to all who replied. > > Greg > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > > >> Did you set the correct default route on the 750? >> >> Greg Ihnen wrote: >> >>> I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The >>> > modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port > (Eth1 > Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't > access > or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem > but > not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea > what > this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have > at > another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on > Eth1, > manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but > nothing beyond it. > >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> >>> >>> > > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Opps hit send too early... Alternatively you can do for Ethernet: int ether reset-mac-address ether1 For wireless (reset total config for wireless wlan1) int wire reset wlan1 Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750 I think what he's saying is to do : export file=fullexport download/modify the file fullexport removing the mac address information from the interfaces. System reset-configuration Y (causes Reboot) Upload fullexport.rsc Import file=fullexport.rsc Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750 Thanks! But how do I determine the original MAC address if I already overwrote it? Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: > export to file > edit the file and change the MAC to the original > import from file > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: >> I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same >> question many times. >> >> Maybe someone can figure it out or answer? >> >> On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen wrote: >>> Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address? >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> And it will drive you nuts. Especially if you use it to template and get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP. Augh... On 3/2/10, Scott Reed wrote: > Be careful with exporting interfaces. It takes the MAC address and sets > it on the new device. You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in > WordPad, save the file and then import it. > > Greg Ihnen wrote: >> Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way >> it >> would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there >> anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the >> x86 >> hardware) that won't work in the RB750? >> >> Thanks! >> Greg >> >> On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >> >>> Greg, >>> >>> Yes there is >>> >>> /ip address export file=ipaddr86 >>> /ip route export file=iprout86 >>> >>> Then... >>> >>> /import file=iproute86.rsc >>> /import file=ipaddr86.rsc >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >>> continue >>> that counts." >>> --- Winston Churchill >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: >>> >>> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all works. But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. Thanks to all who replied. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > Did you set the correct default route on the 750? > > Greg Ihnen wrote: > >> I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The >> modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1
Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques
I use it first then cover the whole thing with 33+ vinyl tape. Never had one leak. marlon - Original Message - From: "Greg Ihnen" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques > Does anyone like the pure rubber self vulcanizing tape over the vinyl > tape? I like how that doesn't come loose over time. > > Greg > > On Mar 1, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: > >> NS2's and other outdoor radios can take care of themselves. I add a >> little seal around the cable exit on the bottom of the cover. The bullets >> make me a little nervous - I don't trust the grommet that comes with >> them - a little sealer on the back at the cable exit is a good idea. >> >> This is how I was taught for RF connectors >> >> 3 layer process: >> Layer 1 - 3M Super33 or Super88 electrical tape over the entire >> connection extending 2" past the shrink wrap at both ends >> Layer 2 - 3M Mastic 2229 over the electrical tape - squeeze repeatedly to >> conform all of the seams to one contiguous seal >> Layer 3 - 3M Super33 or Super88 over the Mastic - this is to keep the >> mastic in place and for UV protection >> >> http://picasaweb.google.com/aircloud.com/AntennaCoaxSeal# >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS >> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:46 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques >> >> Hey All, >> >> So how do you guys avoid getting water/moisture in your gear? >> >> I'm going to be standing up a 9 end-point network, with some Ubiquiti >> (Bullet2, Nanostation) gear, Directional & H-Pol Omni antennas, >> Polyphasers, Ethernet Lightning Arrestors, etc,. I'm not going to be >> able to travel to the site again in at least a year; its a rainy part of >> the world, so I'd like to prevent any damage to the gear as much as >> possible. >> >> Anything I should do to prevent moisture from getting into the gear? Or >> other protective measures... Teflon on the coax connectors, Electrical >> Tape on the Edges of the gear? If there was a place I could see some >> pictures of the implementations that would be good too. >> >> -Israel >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
I think what he's saying is to do : export file=fullexport download/modify the file fullexport removing the mac address information from the interfaces. System reset-configuration Y (causes Reboot) Upload fullexport.rsc Import file=fullexport.rsc Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750 Thanks! But how do I determine the original MAC address if I already overwrote it? Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: > export to file > edit the file and change the MAC to the original > import from file > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: >> I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same >> question many times. >> >> Maybe someone can figure it out or answer? >> >> On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen wrote: >>> Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address? >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> And it will drive you nuts. Especially if you use it to template and get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP. Augh... On 3/2/10, Scott Reed wrote: > Be careful with exporting interfaces. It takes the MAC address and sets > it on the new device. You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in > WordPad, save the file and then import it. > > Greg Ihnen wrote: >> Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way >> it >> would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there >> anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the >> x86 >> hardware) that won't work in the RB750? >> >> Thanks! >> Greg >> >> On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >> >>> Greg, >>> >>> Yes there is >>> >>> /ip address export file=ipaddr86 >>> /ip route export file=iprout86 >>> >>> Then... >>> >>> /import file=iproute86.rsc >>> /import file=ipaddr86.rsc >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >>> continue >>> that counts." >>> --- Winston Churchill >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: >>> >>> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all works. But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. Thanks to all who replied. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > Did you set the correct default route on the 750? > > Greg Ihnen wrote: > >> I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The >> modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I
Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques
Pictures are always welcome!!! On 3/2/10, Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: > Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions, looks like I got my > shopping list for the Honduras install. > > We are leaving March 12th, and if anyone is interested I can put > pictures up of the install & the kids we are helping. > > Thanks again, WISPA is a great community and I love being part of it. > > -Israel > > Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: >> Hey All, >> >> So how do you guys avoid getting water/moisture in your gear? >> >> I'm going to be standing up a 9 end-point network, with some Ubiquiti >> (Bullet2, Nanostation) gear, Directional & H-Pol Omni antennas, >> Polyphasers, Ethernet Lightning Arrestors, etc,. I'm not going to be >> able to travel to the site again in at least a year; its a rainy part of >> the world, so I'd like to prevent any damage to the gear as much as >> possible. >> >> Anything I should do to prevent moisture from getting into the gear? Or >> other protective measures... Teflon on the coax connectors, Electrical >> Tape on the Edges of the gear? If there was a place I could see some >> pictures of the implementations that would be good too. >> >> -Israel >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage?
I don't think Nomex has anything to do with RF suits or EMR suits. They are fire retardant suits for people who fly and do other things where they don't want to get burned up. As to your XM transmitter, I have one at one of my sites. My friend put some pics on his web page. http://jawga.com/radio.php Here are some guidelines we got when they put one on one of our towers. XM Radio Freq Frequency: 2332.5-2345 MHz To accomplish this, XM-Radio alone will set up about 1,500 high-power terrestrial repeaters. Each market will typically have dual repeaters at 2337.485 MHz and 2340.015 MHz. CAUTION: STAY CLEAR OF XM-RADIO & SIRIUS TRANSMIT ANTENNAS The radiation in an operational system is similar to that of a MICROWAVE OVEN! Avoid the main lobe while servicing equipment on your tower. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven G McGehee Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] EMR Suit usage? Hi all, I was curious if you guys used EMR suits (i.e., suits made with "Nomex" or similar material). If so, under what circumstances, and if not, why not? :-) Basically I'm just wanting to get an idea on people's thoughts on how important these suits are to wear and when, and any other thoughts on the matter. Whether it be around cellular equipment, AM/FM/XM stations, etc. Thanks in advance. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Thanks! But how do I determine the original MAC address if I already overwrote it? Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: > export to file > edit the file and change the MAC to the original > import from file > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: >> I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same >> question many times. >> >> Maybe someone can figure it out or answer? >> >> On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen wrote: >>> Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address? >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> And it will drive you nuts. Especially if you use it to template and get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP. Augh... On 3/2/10, Scott Reed wrote: > Be careful with exporting interfaces. It takes the MAC address and sets > it on the new device. You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in > WordPad, save the file and then import it. > > Greg Ihnen wrote: >> Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way >> it >> would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there >> anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the >> x86 >> hardware) that won't work in the RB750? >> >> Thanks! >> Greg >> >> On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >> >>> Greg, >>> >>> Yes there is >>> >>> /ip address export file=ipaddr86 >>> /ip route export file=iprout86 >>> >>> Then... >>> >>> /import file=iproute86.rsc >>> /import file=ipaddr86.rsc >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >>> continue >>> that counts.” >>> --- Winston Churchill >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: >>> >>> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all works. But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. Thanks to all who replied. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > Did you set the correct default route on the 750? > > Greg Ihnen wrote: > >> I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The >> modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lis
Re: [WISPA] Private fiber deployments
Depending on the speed they want, and if they own the phone lines, what about a mini-dslam and DSL modems? -Kevin On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:27 AM, MDK wrote: > I have a situation where a rural housing development (very rural, up in the > mountains, far far from town, heavily wooded) is wanting broadband, and it > seems to me that the best way would be to wire these guys up. I have 900 > gear onsite, but the fact that the area is steep, rugged, and heavily > timbered, means I can't get even 900 to work well in it. > > When the original owner/developer started this thing, he put in underground > power and phones to some of it, and some of it's in the air. > > The roads are not county property, they are owned by the HOA that runs the > development. Anyone familiar with what legal entanglements and > requirements are involved in stringing fiber? I would need to run about > 1-2 miles, at absolute most, and it would pass 30 to 40 homes / yet > undeveloped lots. > > Where do I look for best practices for build out, who's done this kind of > stuff? > > Any input or experiences with this appreciated. > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques
Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions, looks like I got my shopping list for the Honduras install. We are leaving March 12th, and if anyone is interested I can put pictures up of the install & the kids we are helping. Thanks again, WISPA is a great community and I love being part of it. -Israel Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: > Hey All, > > So how do you guys avoid getting water/moisture in your gear? > > I'm going to be standing up a 9 end-point network, with some Ubiquiti > (Bullet2, Nanostation) gear, Directional & H-Pol Omni antennas, > Polyphasers, Ethernet Lightning Arrestors, etc,. I'm not going to be > able to travel to the site again in at least a year; its a rainy part of > the world, so I'd like to prevent any damage to the gear as much as > possible. > > Anything I should do to prevent moisture from getting into the gear? Or > other protective measures... Teflon on the coax connectors, Electrical > Tape on the Edges of the gear? If there was a place I could see some > pictures of the implementations that would be good too. > > -Israel > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
export to file edit the file and change the MAC to the original import from file On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same > question many times. > > Maybe someone can figure it out or answer? > > On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen wrote: >> Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address? >> >> Greg >> >> On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >>> And it will drive you nuts. Especially if you use it to template and >>> get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP. Augh... >>> >>> On 3/2/10, Scott Reed wrote: Be careful with exporting interfaces. It takes the MAC address and sets it on the new device. You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in WordPad, save the file and then import it. Greg Ihnen wrote: > Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way > it > would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there > anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the > x86 > hardware) that won't work in the RB750? > > Thanks! > Greg > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > >> Greg, >> >> Yes there is >> >> /ip address export file=ipaddr86 >> /ip route export file=iprout86 >> >> Then... >> >> /import file=iproute86.rsc >> /import file=ipaddr86.rsc >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >> continue >> that counts.” >> --- Winston Churchill >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: >> >> >>> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside >>> world. >>> >>> The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing >>> me >>> there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at >>> the >>> routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a >>> destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the >>> modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With >>> that >>> one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and >>> it >>> all >>> works. >>> >>> But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and >>> then >>> configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if >>> I >>> take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load >>> that >>> and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't >>> work! >>> The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't >>> know >>> if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just >>> have >>> to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. >>> >>> What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an >>> RB750. >>> >>> Thanks to all who replied. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: >>> >>> Did you set the correct default route on the 750? Greg Ihnen wrote: > I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The > >>> modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port >>> (Eth1 >>> Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't >>> access >>> or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem >>> but >>> not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea >>> what >>> this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have >>> at >>> another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on >>> Eth1, >>> manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but >>> nothing beyond it. >>> > Thanks in advance. > > Greg > > > > >>> >>> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >>> >>> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
I've never had to figure it out but I've asked myself the same question many times. Maybe someone can figure it out or answer? On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen wrote: > Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address? > > Greg > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > >> And it will drive you nuts. Especially if you use it to template and >> get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP. Augh... >> >> On 3/2/10, Scott Reed wrote: >>> Be careful with exporting interfaces. It takes the MAC address and sets >>> it on the new device. You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in >>> WordPad, save the file and then import it. >>> >>> Greg Ihnen wrote: Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way it would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the x86 hardware) that won't work in the RB750? Thanks! Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Greg, > > Yes there is > > /ip address export file=ipaddr86 > /ip route export file=iprout86 > > Then... > > /import file=iproute86.rsc > /import file=ipaddr86.rsc > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > continue > that counts.” > --- Winston Churchill > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: > > >> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside >> world. >> >> The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing >> me >> there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at >> the >> routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a >> destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the >> modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With >> that >> one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and >> it >> all >> works. >> >> But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and >> then >> configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if >> I >> take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load >> that >> and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't >> work! >> The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't >> know >> if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just >> have >> to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. >> >> What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an >> RB750. >> >> Thanks to all who replied. >> >> Greg >> >> On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: >> >> >>> Did you set the correct default route on the 750? >>> >>> Greg Ihnen wrote: >>> I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The >> modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port >> (Eth1 >> Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't >> access >> or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem >> but >> not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea >> what >> this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have >> at >> another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on >> Eth1, >> manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but >> nothing beyond it. >> Thanks in advance. Greg >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> -- >>> Scott Reed >>> Sr. Systems Engineer >>> GAB Midwest >>> 1-800-363-1544 x4000 >>> Cell: 260-273-7239 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >> >> >>> WISPA Wireles
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Is there anyway to revert to the old MAC address? Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > And it will drive you nuts. Especially if you use it to template and > get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP. Augh... > > On 3/2/10, Scott Reed wrote: >> Be careful with exporting interfaces. It takes the MAC address and sets >> it on the new device. You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in >> WordPad, save the file and then import it. >> >> Greg Ihnen wrote: >>> Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way it >>> would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there >>> anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the x86 >>> hardware) that won't work in the RB750? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Greg >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> >>> Greg, Yes there is /ip address export file=ipaddr86 /ip route export file=iprout86 Then... /import file=iproute86.rsc /import file=ipaddr86.rsc Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: > Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. > > The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me > there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the > routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a > destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the > modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With > that > one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it > all > works. > > But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then > configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I > take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load > that > and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't > work! > The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't > know > if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just > have > to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. > > What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an > RB750. > > Thanks to all who replied. > > Greg > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > > >> Did you set the correct default route on the 750? >> >> Greg Ihnen wrote: >> >>> I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The >>> > modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port > (Eth1 > Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't > access > or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem > but > not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea > what > this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at > another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on > Eth1, > manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but > nothing beyond it. > >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> >>> >>> > > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> > > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Scott Reed >> Sr. Systems Engineer >> GAB Midwest >> 1-800-363-1544 x4000 >> Cell: 260-273-7239 >> >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> > > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! J
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
What I've found during the import step is for some of the fields if there's an existing entry with the same name they conflict and the import ends with an error. If the names don't conflict you end up with the old and imported config items. It's best to have the unit as clean as possible before trying to import. Thanks again! I think I'm all done with the config. Tomorrow I'll take it to the site and give it a shot. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:31 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > You can do /export for everything. Obviously you can pick and choose > what to save. > > On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen wrote: >> Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way it >> would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there anything >> in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the x86 hardware) >> that won't work in the RB750? >> >> Thanks! >> Greg >> >> On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >>> Greg, >>> >>> Yes there is >>> >>> /ip address export file=ipaddr86 >>> /ip route export file=iprout86 >>> >>> Then... >>> >>> /import file=iproute86.rsc >>> /import file=ipaddr86.rsc >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue >>> that counts.” >>> --- Winston Churchill >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: >>> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all works. But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. Thanks to all who replied. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > Did you set the correct default route on the 750? > > Greg Ihnen wrote: >> I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > > -- > Scott Reed > Sr. Systems Engineer > GAB Midwest > 1-800-363-1544 x4000 > Cell: 260-273-7239 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ ---
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
I wish I had read that sooner. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:31 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > Be careful with exporting interfaces. It takes the MAC address and sets > it on the new device. You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in > WordPad, save the file and then import it. > > Greg Ihnen wrote: >> Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way it >> would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there anything >> in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the x86 hardware) >> that won't work in the RB750? >> >> Thanks! >> Greg >> >> On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >> >>> Greg, >>> >>> Yes there is >>> >>> /ip address export file=ipaddr86 >>> /ip route export file=iprout86 >>> >>> Then... >>> >>> /import file=iproute86.rsc >>> /import file=ipaddr86.rsc >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue >>> that counts.” >>> --- Winston Churchill >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: >>> >>> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all works. But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. Thanks to all who replied. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > Did you set the correct default route on the 750? > > Greg Ihnen wrote: > >> I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The >> modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> > -- > Scott Reed > Sr. Systems Engineer > GAB Midwest > 1-800-363-1544 x4000 > Cell: 260-273-7239 > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
And it will drive you nuts. Especially if you use it to template and get multiple CPEs with the same MAC on one AP. Augh... On 3/2/10, Scott Reed wrote: > Be careful with exporting interfaces. It takes the MAC address and sets > it on the new device. You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in > WordPad, save the file and then import it. > > Greg Ihnen wrote: >> Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way it >> would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there >> anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the x86 >> hardware) that won't work in the RB750? >> >> Thanks! >> Greg >> >> On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >> >>> Greg, >>> >>> Yes there is >>> >>> /ip address export file=ipaddr86 >>> /ip route export file=iprout86 >>> >>> Then... >>> >>> /import file=iproute86.rsc >>> /import file=ipaddr86.rsc >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >>> continue >>> that counts.” >>> --- Winston Churchill >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: >>> >>> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all works. But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. Thanks to all who replied. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > Did you set the correct default route on the 750? > > Greg Ihnen wrote: > >> I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The >> modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> > -- > Scott Reed > Sr. Systems Engineer > GAB Midwest > 1-800-363-1544 x4000 > Cell: 260-273-7239 > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wi
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Be careful with exporting interfaces. It takes the MAC address and sets it on the new device. You can just delete the MAC=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in WordPad, save the file and then import it. Greg Ihnen wrote: > Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way it > would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there anything > in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the x86 hardware) > that won't work in the RB750? > > Thanks! > Greg > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > >> Greg, >> >> Yes there is >> >> /ip address export file=ipaddr86 >> /ip route export file=iprout86 >> >> Then... >> >> /import file=iproute86.rsc >> /import file=ipaddr86.rsc >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue >> that counts.” >> --- Winston Churchill >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: >> >> >>> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. >>> >>> The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me >>> there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the >>> routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a >>> destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the >>> modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that >>> one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all >>> works. >>> >>> But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then >>> configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I >>> take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that >>> and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! >>> The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know >>> if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have >>> to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. >>> >>> What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. >>> >>> Thanks to all who replied. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: >>> >>> Did you set the correct default route on the 750? Greg Ihnen wrote: > I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The > >>> modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 >>> Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access >>> or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but >>> not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what >>> this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at >>> another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, >>> manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but >>> nothing beyond it. >>> > Thanks in advance. > > Greg > > > > >>> >>> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >>> >>> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> --
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
You can do /export for everything. Obviously you can pick and choose what to save. On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen wrote: > Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way it > would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there anything > in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the x86 hardware) > that won't work in the RB750? > > Thanks! > Greg > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > >> Greg, >> >> Yes there is >> >> /ip address export file=ipaddr86 >> /ip route export file=iprout86 >> >> Then... >> >> /import file=iproute86.rsc >> /import file=ipaddr86.rsc >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue >> that counts.” >> --- Winston Churchill >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: >> >>> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. >>> >>> The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me >>> there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the >>> routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a >>> destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the >>> modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With >>> that >>> one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it >>> all >>> works. >>> >>> But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then >>> configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I >>> take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load >>> that >>> and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! >>> The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't >>> know >>> if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just >>> have >>> to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. >>> >>> What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. >>> >>> Thanks to all who replied. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: >>> Did you set the correct default route on the 750? Greg Ihnen wrote: > I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The >>> modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port >>> (Eth1 >>> Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't >>> access >>> or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but >>> not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea >>> what >>> this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at >>> another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on >>> Eth1, >>> manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but >>> nothing beyond it. > > Thanks in advance. > > Greg > > > >>> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > --
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
Many cell guys do this when building sites. Each site is its own corporation Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: RickG Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 21:38:32 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower contracts The more I do these, the more I like using a separate corporation for the purpose. Thanks! On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote: > I am sure Blake will agree with me. No two contracts are the same > especially in the tower business and especially when dealing with > municipalities. > > If you don't like a clause submit a change request. Their will either > entertain it or say no. The other thing that might happen is they just > stop talking to you. > > I don't know what you are paying them, if anything, but I would run with > this. Its not out of the norm but it would be nice to have the > reciprocity in case they do something that makes you liable. If you are > that worried, open another corporation and sign the lease under that > one. Lease "network services" to you existing company and if something > ever happens you have the buffer. > > Slimy but its done every day. > > -B- > > > > RickG wrote: >> One of our favorite topics :) >> >> So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've >> posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these >> days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made >> some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is >> that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an "easement >> contract" of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the >> "indemification section". Basically, it reads as follows: >> >> INDEMNIFICATION: >> The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify >> Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other >> claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's >> use of the >> easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful >> conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set >> forth >> in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights >> afford under its Sovereign Immunity. >> >> Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does >> the reverse! Thoughts? >> -RickG >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Could I just export Interface,and all of IP, and all of Queue? That way it would be just three files and it would have all my config. Is there anything in the exports which is MAC address specific (specific to the x86 hardware) that won't work in the RB750? Thanks! Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Greg, > > Yes there is > > /ip address export file=ipaddr86 > /ip route export file=iprout86 > > Then... > > /import file=iproute86.rsc > /import file=ipaddr86.rsc > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue > that counts.” > --- Winston Churchill > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: > >> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. >> >> The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me >> there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the >> routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a >> destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the >> modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that >> one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all >> works. >> >> But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then >> configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I >> take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that >> and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! >> The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know >> if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have >> to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. >> >> What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. >> >> Thanks to all who replied. >> >> Greg >> >> On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: >> >>> Did you set the correct default route on the 750? >>> >>> Greg Ihnen wrote: I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The >> modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 >> Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access >> or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but >> not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what >> this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at >> another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, >> manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but >> nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> -- >>> Scott Reed >>> Sr. Systems Engineer >>> GAB Midwest >>> 1-800-363-1544 x4000 >>> Cell: 260-273-7239 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://li
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
The more I do these, the more I like using a separate corporation for the purpose. Thanks! On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote: > I am sure Blake will agree with me. No two contracts are the same > especially in the tower business and especially when dealing with > municipalities. > > If you don't like a clause submit a change request. Their will either > entertain it or say no. The other thing that might happen is they just > stop talking to you. > > I don't know what you are paying them, if anything, but I would run with > this. Its not out of the norm but it would be nice to have the > reciprocity in case they do something that makes you liable. If you are > that worried, open another corporation and sign the lease under that > one. Lease "network services" to you existing company and if something > ever happens you have the buffer. > > Slimy but its done every day. > > -B- > > > > RickG wrote: >> One of our favorite topics :) >> >> So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've >> posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these >> days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made >> some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is >> that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an "easement >> contract" of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the >> "indemification section". Basically, it reads as follows: >> >> INDEMNIFICATION: >> The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify >> Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other >> claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's >> use of the >> easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful >> conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set >> forth >> in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights >> afford under its Sovereign Immunity. >> >> Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does >> the reverse! Thoughts? >> -RickG >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
Great points! For the first time since receiving this document, I sat down at dinner tonight and went through it. I ended up with the same questions and concerns. Thanks! On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > See inline for some things to question > > RickG wrote: >> I dont have any issues with them protecting themselves, my issue is >> making sure I have protection. Maybe I'm making more out it than I >> shoudl? Here is the whole agreement: >> >> EASEMENT AGREEMENT >> 1. PARTIES: >> , hereinafter referred to as >> “Grantor”. >> CITY OF ANYTOWN, hereinafter referred to as “Grantee”. >> 2. AFFECTED PROPERTY: >> Grantor is currently the owner of the following described real property >> located in the City of Anytown, Kentucky: >> Anytown Water Tower and its Premises >> LEGAL DESCRIPTION – TBD >> Hereinafter referred to as “the Property”. >> 3. GRANT OF EASEMENT: >> For a period of five (5) years from the date of implementation, the Grantor >> does hereby grant unto the Grantee, a Utility Easement for the Anytown >> Water Tower and its premises (the Property) for the limited purposes directly >> associated with providing high-speed, wireless internet service to the >> surrounding area. >> 4. TYPE OF EASEMENT: >> The easement described above shall provide the Grantee reasonable > Define reasonable. To me it means 24x7x366. To the city it may mean > 8-5 Monday - Friday. Spell it out. >> access >> to the Anytown Water Tower and its premises (the Property) in order to >> install and maintain antennae, associated transceiver devices, required >> electrical power, and required electrical grounding. >> > This limits your gear. Get some weasel words in there, like "and other > associated devices." >> All aspects of this easement are secondary to the primary purposes of the >> Property as a public water supply. All fixtures, devices, and activities are >> subject to the approval of the Water Department of the City of Anytown >> > When? How long to have to wait? Add something like "within 3 business > days of the request." Do not allow them to use weasel words like > "within a reasonable time." >> and any existing or future requirements of the Kentucky Department of >> Water and/or superseding authorities. >> The City of Anytown does not provide for continuous business operations; >> consequently, reasonable access to the Property is generally limited to >> normal business hours and subject to the availably of municipal personnel >> and resources. >> > Why. This needs to grant you access when you need it and a key or > combination to padlock, etc. How are you going to get cusotmers back > online at 11:30 Saturday night? >> 5. CONSIDERATION: >> The City of Anytown recognizes the manifest public need for high-speed >> internet access and the current technological limitations that result in the >> requirements that only wireless technologies can address. Subsequently, >> the City of Anytown does not require any payments in consideration of >> this easement. >> However, the City of Anytown shall provide for the costs of electrical >> power to operate the Grantee's hardware once installed on the Property, not >> to exceed a load of twenty amperes (20 Amps) at one hundred twenty volts >> (120V). In consideration of these electrical costs, the Grantee shall provide >> its standard, non-profit service package and maintenance to the Office of >> the Anytown City Clerk at 123 Main Street, Anytown, KY. The City of >> Anytown may extend the network as needed for the purposes of >> government. >> > Get rid of this one. If they add 100 devices and all stream video, who > pays for the bandwidth? >> 6. MAINTENANCE: >> The Grantor shall maintain the Property in a manner consistent with its >> primary purpose as a public water supply. The Grantee shall inform the >> Grantor of any observed maintenance issues which might arise. >> 7. INDEMNIFICATION: >> The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify >> Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other >> claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's >> use of the >> easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful >> conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set >> forth >> in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights >> afford under its Sovereign Immunity. >> 8. REMEDIES: >> In addition to all other remedies allowed by law, the parties, their >> successors and assigns, shall have the right to seek injunctive relief for >> the >> enforcement of the terms and conditions of this agreement. >> 9. BINDING EFFECT ON SUCCESSOR INTERESTS: >> The terms, conditions and provisions of this agreement shall extend to, be >> binding upon and inure to the benefit of the heirs, personal representatives >> and assigns of the parties. >> 10. ATTORNEY FEE: >> In case suit or action is instituted in connection with this agreem
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Thanks so much! Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:44 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > queue export > Ip firewall expo > > Or for just mangle... > > Ip firewall mangl expo > > On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen wrote: >> Wow! Thanks! How about the queues? Is there a way to export the queues? How >> about the firewall filter rules, nat and mangle? >> >> Greg >> >> On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >>> Greg, >>> >>> Yes there is >>> >>> /ip address export file=ipaddr86 >>> /ip route export file=iprout86 >>> >>> Then... >>> >>> /import file=iproute86.rsc >>> /import file=ipaddr86.rsc >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue >>> that counts.” >>> --- Winston Churchill >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: >>> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all works. But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. Thanks to all who replied. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > Did you set the correct default route on the 750? > > Greg Ihnen wrote: >> I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > > -- > Scott Reed > Sr. Systems Engineer > GAB Midwest > 1-800-363-1544 x4000 > Cell: 260-273-7239 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://li
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
queue export Ip firewall expo Or for just mangle... Ip firewall mangl expo On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen wrote: > Wow! Thanks! How about the queues? Is there a way to export the queues? How > about the firewall filter rules, nat and mangle? > > Greg > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > >> Greg, >> >> Yes there is >> >> /ip address export file=ipaddr86 >> /ip route export file=iprout86 >> >> Then... >> >> /import file=iproute86.rsc >> /import file=ipaddr86.rsc >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue >> that counts.” >> --- Winston Churchill >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: >> >>> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. >>> >>> The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me >>> there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the >>> routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a >>> destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the >>> modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With >>> that >>> one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it >>> all >>> works. >>> >>> But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then >>> configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I >>> take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load >>> that >>> and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! >>> The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't >>> know >>> if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just >>> have >>> to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. >>> >>> What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. >>> >>> Thanks to all who replied. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: >>> Did you set the correct default route on the 750? Greg Ihnen wrote: > I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The >>> modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port >>> (Eth1 >>> Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't >>> access >>> or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but >>> not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea >>> what >>> this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at >>> another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on >>> Eth1, >>> manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but >>> nothing beyond it. > > Thanks in advance. > > Greg > > > >>> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > ---
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Wow! Thanks! How about the queues? Is there a way to export the queues? How about the firewall filter rules, nat and mangle? Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Greg, > > Yes there is > > /ip address export file=ipaddr86 > /ip route export file=iprout86 > > Then... > > /import file=iproute86.rsc > /import file=ipaddr86.rsc > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue > that counts.” > --- Winston Churchill > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: > >> Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. >> >> The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me >> there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the >> routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a >> destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the >> modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that >> one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all >> works. >> >> But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then >> configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I >> take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that >> and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! >> The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know >> if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have >> to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. >> >> What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. >> >> Thanks to all who replied. >> >> Greg >> >> On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: >> >>> Did you set the correct default route on the 750? >>> >>> Greg Ihnen wrote: I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The >> modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 >> Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access >> or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but >> not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what >> this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at >> another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, >> manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but >> nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> -- >>> Scott Reed >>> Sr. Systems Engineer >>> GAB Midwest >>> 1-800-363-1544 x4000 >>> Cell: 260-273-7239 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
Not true in NY & NJ -B- Cliff wrote: > My understanding is, even without that clause written, being a government > they have that clause. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:04 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] tower contracts > > One of our favorite topics :) > > So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've > posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these > days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made > some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is > that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an "easement > contract" of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the > "indemification section". Basically, it reads as follows: > > INDEMNIFICATION: > The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify > Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any > other > claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's > use of the > easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful > conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set > forth > in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights > afford under its Sovereign Immunity. > > Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does > the reverse! Thoughts? > -RickG > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
I am sure Blake will agree with me. No two contracts are the same especially in the tower business and especially when dealing with municipalities. If you don't like a clause submit a change request. Their will either entertain it or say no. The other thing that might happen is they just stop talking to you. I don't know what you are paying them, if anything, but I would run with this. Its not out of the norm but it would be nice to have the reciprocity in case they do something that makes you liable. If you are that worried, open another corporation and sign the lease under that one. Lease "network services" to you existing company and if something ever happens you have the buffer. Slimy but its done every day. -B- RickG wrote: > One of our favorite topics :) > > So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've > posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these > days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made > some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is > that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an "easement > contract" of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the > "indemification section". Basically, it reads as follows: > > INDEMNIFICATION: > The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify > Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other > claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's > use of the > easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful > conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set > forth > in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights > afford under its Sovereign Immunity. > > Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does > the reverse! Thoughts? > -RickG > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Greg, Yes there is /ip address export file=ipaddr86 /ip route export file=iprout86 Then... /import file=iproute86.rsc /import file=ipaddr86.rsc Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: > Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. > > The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me > there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the > routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a > destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the > modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that > one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all > works. > > But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then > configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I > take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that > and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! > The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know > if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have > to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. > > What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. > > Thanks to all who replied. > > Greg > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > > > Did you set the correct default route on the 750? > > > > Greg Ihnen wrote: > >> I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The > modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 > Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access > or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but > not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what > this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at > another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, > manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but > nothing beyond it. > >> > >> Thanks in advance. > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> > >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Scott Reed > > Sr. Systems Engineer > > GAB Midwest > > 1-800-363-1544 x4000 > > Cell: 260-273-7239 > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Thanks. No, I didn't have the right default route to the outside world. The problem is definitely connected with routes. Thanks for pointing me there. I have another router (x86) set up here and I took a look at the routes there and I could see what was missing. It was the route with a destination address of 0.0.0.0/0 and a gateway of 201.222.12.53 (the modem) with a distance of 1, scope of 30 and target scope of 10. With that one static route in it populates other dynamic discovered routes and it all works. But there's a complication too and that is if I reset the RB750 and then configure it and get the routes right it works as I said above. But if I take a more complicated setup I had configured and backed up and load that and then set everything right (including the routes) it still won't work! The backup was made under 4.3 and the unit is now running 4.5. I don't know if that could be it. Anyway, it seems like I can make it work, I just have to go through all the trouble of configuring it all again. What a pain there's no way to take an x86 config and load it on an RB750. Thanks to all who replied. Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > Did you set the correct default route on the 750? > > Greg Ihnen wrote: >> I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is >> not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) >> manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping >> the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip >> address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this >> could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another >> location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually >> configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond >> it. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > > -- > Scott Reed > Sr. Systems Engineer > GAB Midwest > 1-800-363-1544 x4000 > Cell: 260-273-7239 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
No, I couldn't ping even from the RB750. The problem was with routes. Thanks! Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Paul Hendry wrote: > Can you ping the public address on the 750G from the lan? Can you ping any > external public addresses from the 750G? If answer to both is yes, check masq > rule on outbound interface and that connection tracking is enabled. > > -Original Message- > From: Greg Ihnen [mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com] > Sent: 02 March 2010 23:11 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750 > > I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is > not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) > manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping > the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip > address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this > could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another > location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually > configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond > it. > > Thanks in advance. > > Greg > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Thanks! The Eth1 is configured 201.222.12.54/30 and network of 201.222.12.52 and broadcast of 201.222.12.55. The RB750 couldn't ping out either. I did discover the problem was with routes, but it's more complicated Greg On Mar 2, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > What kind of IP config do you have on ether1 and can the 750 ping out? > > On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen wrote: >> I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is >> not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) >> manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping >> the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip >> address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this >> could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another >> location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually >> configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond >> it. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > continue that counts.” > --- Winston Churchill > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
How about indemnifying each other? If they want the language then the reciprocal should be expected, right? Indemnification. Lessee shall indemnify and hold Lessor harmless from any and all liability, damage, expense (including attorneys' fees and costs), cause of action, suits, claims or judgments by any reason. Lessor shall indemnify and hold Lessee harmless from any and all liability, damage, expense (including attorneys' fees and costs), cause of action, suits, claims or judgments by any reason. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] tower contracts One of our favorite topics :) So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an "easement contract" of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the "indemification section". Basically, it reads as follows: INDEMNIFICATION: The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's use of the easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights afford under its Sovereign Immunity. Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does the reverse! Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
A little off topic, but while were talking about contracts, has anyone negotiated with a city to use utility poles to run fiber. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > See inline for some things to question > > RickG wrote: >> I dont have any issues with them protecting themselves, my issue is >> making sure I have protection. Maybe I'm making more out it than I >> shoudl? Here is the whole agreement: >> >> EASEMENT AGREEMENT >> 1. PARTIES: >> , hereinafter referred to as >> “Grantor”. >> CITY OF ANYTOWN, hereinafter referred to as “Grantee”. >> 2. AFFECTED PROPERTY: >> Grantor is currently the owner of the following described real >> property >> located in the City of Anytown, Kentucky: >> Anytown Water Tower and its Premises >> LEGAL DESCRIPTION – TBD >> Hereinafter referred to as “the Property”. >> 3. GRANT OF EASEMENT: >> For a period of five (5) years from the date of implementation, the >> Grantor >> does hereby grant unto the Grantee, a Utility Easement for the >> Anytown >> Water Tower and its premises (the Property) for the limited >> purposes directly >> associated with providing high-speed, wireless internet service to >> the >> surrounding area. >> 4. TYPE OF EASEMENT: >> The easement described above shall provide the Grantee reasonable > Define reasonable. To me it means 24x7x366. To the city it may mean > 8-5 Monday - Friday. Spell it out. >> access >> to the Anytown Water Tower and its premises (the Property) in order >> to >> install and maintain antennae, associated transceiver devices, >> required >> electrical power, and required electrical grounding. >> > This limits your gear. Get some weasel words in there, like "and > other > associated devices." >> All aspects of this easement are secondary to the primary purposes >> of the >> Property as a public water supply. All fixtures, devices, and >> activities are >> subject to the approval of the Water Department of the City of >> Anytown >> > When? How long to have to wait? Add something like "within 3 > business > days of the request." Do not allow them to use weasel words like > "within a reasonable time." >> and any existing or future requirements of the Kentucky Department of >> Water and/or superseding authorities. >> The City of Anytown does not provide for continuous business >> operations; >> consequently, reasonable access to the Property is generally >> limited to >> normal business hours and subject to the availably of municipal >> personnel >> and resources. >> > Why. This needs to grant you access when you need it and a key or > combination to padlock, etc. How are you going to get cusotmers back > online at 11:30 Saturday night? >> 5. CONSIDERATION: >> The City of Anytown recognizes the manifest public need for high- >> speed >> internet access and the current technological limitations that >> result in the >> requirements that only wireless technologies can address. >> Subsequently, >> the City of Anytown does not require any payments in consideration of >> this easement. >> However, the City of Anytown shall provide for the costs of >> electrical >> power to operate the Grantee's hardware once installed on the >> Property, not >> to exceed a load of twenty amperes (20 Amps) at one hundred twenty >> volts >> (120V). In consideration of these electrical costs, the Grantee >> shall provide >> its standard, non-profit service package and maintenance to the >> Office of >> the Anytown City Clerk at 123 Main Street, Anytown, KY. The City of >> Anytown may extend the network as needed for the purposes of >> government. >> > Get rid of this one. If they add 100 devices and all stream video, > who > pays for the bandwidth? >> 6. MAINTENANCE: >> The Grantor shall maintain the Property in a manner consistent with >> its >> primary purpose as a public water supply. The Grantee shall inform >> the >> Grantor of any observed maintenance issues which might arise. >> 7. INDEMNIFICATION: >> The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify >> Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or >> any other >> claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the >> Grantee's >> use of the >> easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or >> willful >> conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations >> as set forth >> in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all >> rights >> afford under its Sovereign Immunity. >> 8. REMEDIES: >> In addition to all other remedies allowed by law, the parties, their >> successors and assigns, shall have the right to seek injunctive >> relief for the >> enforcement of the terms and conditions of this agreement. >> 9. BINDING EFFECT ON SUCCESSOR INTERESTS: >> The terms, conditions and provisions of this agreement shall extend >> to, be >> binding upon and inure to the benefit of the heirs, personal >>
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
See inline for some things to question RickG wrote: > I dont have any issues with them protecting themselves, my issue is > making sure I have protection. Maybe I'm making more out it than I > shoudl? Here is the whole agreement: > > EASEMENT AGREEMENT > 1. PARTIES: > , hereinafter referred to as > “Grantor”. > CITY OF ANYTOWN, hereinafter referred to as “Grantee”. > 2. AFFECTED PROPERTY: > Grantor is currently the owner of the following described real property > located in the City of Anytown, Kentucky: > Anytown Water Tower and its Premises > LEGAL DESCRIPTION – TBD > Hereinafter referred to as “the Property”. > 3. GRANT OF EASEMENT: > For a period of five (5) years from the date of implementation, the Grantor > does hereby grant unto the Grantee, a Utility Easement for the Anytown > Water Tower and its premises (the Property) for the limited purposes directly > associated with providing high-speed, wireless internet service to the > surrounding area. > 4. TYPE OF EASEMENT: > The easement described above shall provide the Grantee reasonable Define reasonable. To me it means 24x7x366. To the city it may mean 8-5 Monday - Friday. Spell it out. > access > to the Anytown Water Tower and its premises (the Property) in order to > install and maintain antennae, associated transceiver devices, required > electrical power, and required electrical grounding. > This limits your gear. Get some weasel words in there, like "and other associated devices." > All aspects of this easement are secondary to the primary purposes of the > Property as a public water supply. All fixtures, devices, and activities are > subject to the approval of the Water Department of the City of Anytown > When? How long to have to wait? Add something like "within 3 business days of the request." Do not allow them to use weasel words like "within a reasonable time." > and any existing or future requirements of the Kentucky Department of > Water and/or superseding authorities. > The City of Anytown does not provide for continuous business operations; > consequently, reasonable access to the Property is generally limited to > normal business hours and subject to the availably of municipal personnel > and resources. > Why. This needs to grant you access when you need it and a key or combination to padlock, etc. How are you going to get cusotmers back online at 11:30 Saturday night? > 5. CONSIDERATION: > The City of Anytown recognizes the manifest public need for high-speed > internet access and the current technological limitations that result in the > requirements that only wireless technologies can address. Subsequently, > the City of Anytown does not require any payments in consideration of > this easement. > However, the City of Anytown shall provide for the costs of electrical > power to operate the Grantee's hardware once installed on the Property, not > to exceed a load of twenty amperes (20 Amps) at one hundred twenty volts > (120V). In consideration of these electrical costs, the Grantee shall provide > its standard, non-profit service package and maintenance to the Office of > the Anytown City Clerk at 123 Main Street, Anytown, KY. The City of > Anytown may extend the network as needed for the purposes of > government. > Get rid of this one. If they add 100 devices and all stream video, who pays for the bandwidth? > 6. MAINTENANCE: > The Grantor shall maintain the Property in a manner consistent with its > primary purpose as a public water supply. The Grantee shall inform the > Grantor of any observed maintenance issues which might arise. > 7. INDEMNIFICATION: > The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify > Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other > claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's > use of the > easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful > conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set > forth > in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights > afford under its Sovereign Immunity. > 8. REMEDIES: > In addition to all other remedies allowed by law, the parties, their > successors and assigns, shall have the right to seek injunctive relief for the > enforcement of the terms and conditions of this agreement. > 9. BINDING EFFECT ON SUCCESSOR INTERESTS: > The terms, conditions and provisions of this agreement shall extend to, be > binding upon and inure to the benefit of the heirs, personal representatives > and assigns of the parties. > 10. ATTORNEY FEE: > In case suit or action is instituted in connection with this agreement, the > prevailing party shall be entitled to recover from the losing party such sums > as the court may adjudge reasonable as attorney fees and costs in such suit > or action, or upon appeal. > DATED this day of , 20 . > GRANTOR: GRANTEE: > By: By: > MAYOR > CITY OF ANYTOWN > STATE OF KENTUCKY > > On Tue, Mar
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
Well, the lawyer is not gonna like my advice.. How else does he get paid? :) I also like binding arbitration, of course, the one that files suit pays for the arbitration fees. Again, this forces people to 'figure it out' before they start rattling sabers! ryan On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 4:19 PM, RickG wrote: > Great tip! So, otherwise you would sign it? I'm runnig it past a > lawyer friend but wanted to hammer out any details before he gets > involved. Thanks! -RickG > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Ryan Spott wrote: > > "unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful > > conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as > set > > forth > > in Paragraph 6 above." is your out. > > > > This looks pretty good. > > > > One of the things we have added to our contracts is "legal fees arising > from > > litigation are the responsibility of the litigant." > > > > This causes governments etc to think twice before filing a $20,000 legal > > battle over a $20 item. > > > > ryan > > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Cliff >wrote: > > > >> My understanding is, even without that clause written, being a > government > >> they have that clause. > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >> Behalf Of RickG > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:04 PM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: [WISPA] tower contracts > >> > >> One of our favorite topics :) > >> > >> So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've > >> posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these > >> days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made > >> some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is > >> that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an "easement > >> contract" of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the > >> "indemification section". Basically, it reads as follows: > >> > >> INDEMNIFICATION: > >> The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify > >> Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any > >> other > >> claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's > >> use of the > >> easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or > willful > >> conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as > set > >> forth > >> in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights > >> afford under its Sovereign Immunity. > >> > >> Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does > >> the reverse! Thoughts? > >> -RickG > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > >> > > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
Great tip! So, otherwise you would sign it? I'm runnig it past a lawyer friend but wanted to hammer out any details before he gets involved. Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Ryan Spott wrote: > "unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful > conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set > forth > in Paragraph 6 above." is your out. > > This looks pretty good. > > One of the things we have added to our contracts is "legal fees arising from > litigation are the responsibility of the litigant." > > This causes governments etc to think twice before filing a $20,000 legal > battle over a $20 item. > > ryan > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Cliff wrote: > >> My understanding is, even without that clause written, being a government >> they have that clause. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:04 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] tower contracts >> >> One of our favorite topics :) >> >> So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've >> posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these >> days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made >> some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is >> that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an "easement >> contract" of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the >> "indemification section". Basically, it reads as follows: >> >> INDEMNIFICATION: >> The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify >> Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any >> other >> claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's >> use of the >> easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful >> conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set >> forth >> in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights >> afford under its Sovereign Immunity. >> >> Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does >> the reverse! Thoughts? >> -RickG >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] signal too hot!
Well if you added attenuation with the silo and polarity it would be similar to the window or wall adding attenuation. When a friend moved in and I needed to "mooch" Internet from the office (three 2.4 10mhz sectors) I just put some books on a jpole mount and the ns2 worked quite well. Wouldn't leave it for an install but it worked 99% of the time. On 3/2/10, RickG wrote: > They can, I even tested it but I've never had good luck with indoor > installs. It seems they always have weird issues. Maybe new stuff is > better? > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: >> I had a customer like this - I just moved the CPE on the inside. Use that >> rubber stick to the glass mount. I know the Nanostations can, for your >> sake >> I hope the Locos can too, use a window mount (or wall mount) and put it >> inside the house. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue >> that counts.” >> --- Winston Churchill >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:54 PM, RickG wrote: >> >>> Darn county road is between them and the silo :( >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:47 PM, wrote: >>> > Buy cheap fiber media converters and some fiber if they are that close. >>> > >>> > -Cameron >>> > >>> >> I know, we just discussed this topic a few weeks ago. I've got a new >>> >> customer who is right next to a grain silo and the issue is that it >>> >> drops their connection with XBox. I'm not getting complaints from >>> >> anyone else. The CPE is a NS2Loco and the signal is -29! I've already >>> >> have it aimed up at the sky. So, I set it for H-Pol (Silo has V-Pol >>> >> omni). Signal now -53 and it seems to have helped a lot. I'm just >>> >> concerned. Whats the downside? >>> >> -RickG >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >> >>> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >> >>> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> > >>> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> > >>> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Good Call Scott. That's exactly what I was thinking. DHCP will set the IP address and default route. >From Winbox IP-> Routes Hit the + Button 0.0.0.0/0 for destination Enter the Default Gateway from your provider in the gateway field You will also need a masquerade rule. If ether1 is your public interface, a simple example is: >From Terminal ip firewall nat add chain=srcnat action=masquerade out-interface=ether1 Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750 Did you set the correct default route on the 750? Greg Ihnen wrote: > I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. > > Thanks in advance. > > Greg > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
I dont have any issues with them protecting themselves, my issue is making sure I have protection. Maybe I'm making more out it than I shoudl? Here is the whole agreement: EASEMENT AGREEMENT 1. PARTIES: , hereinafter referred to as “Grantor”. CITY OF ANYTOWN, hereinafter referred to as “Grantee”. 2. AFFECTED PROPERTY: Grantor is currently the owner of the following described real property located in the City of Anytown, Kentucky: Anytown Water Tower and its Premises LEGAL DESCRIPTION – TBD Hereinafter referred to as “the Property”. 3. GRANT OF EASEMENT: For a period of five (5) years from the date of implementation, the Grantor does hereby grant unto the Grantee, a Utility Easement for the Anytown Water Tower and its premises (the Property) for the limited purposes directly associated with providing high-speed, wireless internet service to the surrounding area. 4. TYPE OF EASEMENT: The easement described above shall provide the Grantee reasonable access to the Anytown Water Tower and its premises (the Property) in order to install and maintain antennae, associated transceiver devices, required electrical power, and required electrical grounding. All aspects of this easement are secondary to the primary purposes of the Property as a public water supply. All fixtures, devices, and activities are subject to the approval of the Water Department of the City of Anytown and any existing or future requirements of the Kentucky Department of Water and/or superseding authorities. The City of Anytown does not provide for continuous business operations; consequently, reasonable access to the Property is generally limited to normal business hours and subject to the availably of municipal personnel and resources. 5. CONSIDERATION: The City of Anytown recognizes the manifest public need for high-speed internet access and the current technological limitations that result in the requirements that only wireless technologies can address. Subsequently, the City of Anytown does not require any payments in consideration of this easement. However, the City of Anytown shall provide for the costs of electrical power to operate the Grantee's hardware once installed on the Property, not to exceed a load of twenty amperes (20 Amps) at one hundred twenty volts (120V). In consideration of these electrical costs, the Grantee shall provide its standard, non-profit service package and maintenance to the Office of the Anytown City Clerk at 123 Main Street, Anytown, KY. The City of Anytown may extend the network as needed for the purposes of government. 6. MAINTENANCE: The Grantor shall maintain the Property in a manner consistent with its primary purpose as a public water supply. The Grantee shall inform the Grantor of any observed maintenance issues which might arise. 7. INDEMNIFICATION: The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's use of the easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights afford under its Sovereign Immunity. 8. REMEDIES: In addition to all other remedies allowed by law, the parties, their successors and assigns, shall have the right to seek injunctive relief for the enforcement of the terms and conditions of this agreement. 9. BINDING EFFECT ON SUCCESSOR INTERESTS: The terms, conditions and provisions of this agreement shall extend to, be binding upon and inure to the benefit of the heirs, personal representatives and assigns of the parties. 10. ATTORNEY FEE: In case suit or action is instituted in connection with this agreement, the prevailing party shall be entitled to recover from the losing party such sums as the court may adjudge reasonable as attorney fees and costs in such suit or action, or upon appeal. DATED this day of , 20 . GRANTOR: GRANTEE: By: By: MAYOR CITY OF ANYTOWN STATE OF KENTUCKY On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Cliff wrote: > My understanding is, even without that clause written, being a government > they have that clause. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:04 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] tower contracts > > One of our favorite topics :) > > So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've > posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these > days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made > some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is > that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an "easement > contract" of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the > "indemification section". Basically, it reads as follows: > > I
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
I have copied the paragraph, reversed the words and then it protects both. Haven't done it with a government entity, but contracts really should be to protect both parties. RickG wrote: > One of our favorite topics :) > > So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've > posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these > days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made > some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is > that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an "easement > contract" of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the > "indemification section". Basically, it reads as follows: > > INDEMNIFICATION: > The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify > Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other > claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's > use of the > easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful > conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set > forth > in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights > afford under its Sovereign Immunity. > > Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does > the reverse! Thoughts? > -RickG > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
"unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above." is your out. This looks pretty good. One of the things we have added to our contracts is "legal fees arising from litigation are the responsibility of the litigant." This causes governments etc to think twice before filing a $20,000 legal battle over a $20 item. ryan On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Cliff wrote: > My understanding is, even without that clause written, being a government > they have that clause. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:04 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] tower contracts > > One of our favorite topics :) > > So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've > posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these > days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made > some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is > that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an "easement > contract" of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the > "indemification section". Basically, it reads as follows: > > INDEMNIFICATION: > The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify > Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any > other > claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's > use of the > easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful > conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set > forth > in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights > afford under its Sovereign Immunity. > > Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does > the reverse! Thoughts? > -RickG > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] signal too hot!
They can, I even tested it but I've never had good luck with indoor installs. It seems they always have weird issues. Maybe new stuff is better? On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I had a customer like this - I just moved the CPE on the inside. Use that > rubber stick to the glass mount. I know the Nanostations can, for your sake > I hope the Locos can too, use a window mount (or wall mount) and put it > inside the house. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue > that counts.” > --- Winston Churchill > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:54 PM, RickG wrote: > >> Darn county road is between them and the silo :( >> >> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:47 PM, wrote: >> > Buy cheap fiber media converters and some fiber if they are that close. >> > >> > -Cameron >> > >> >> I know, we just discussed this topic a few weeks ago. I've got a new >> >> customer who is right next to a grain silo and the issue is that it >> >> drops their connection with XBox. I'm not getting complaints from >> >> anyone else. The CPE is a NS2Loco and the signal is -29! I've already >> >> have it aimed up at the sky. So, I set it for H-Pol (Silo has V-Pol >> >> omni). Signal now -53 and it seems to have helped a lot. I'm just >> >> concerned. Whats the downside? >> >> -RickG >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> >> > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower contracts
My understanding is, even without that clause written, being a government they have that clause. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] tower contracts One of our favorite topics :) So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an "easement contract" of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the "indemification section". Basically, it reads as follows: INDEMNIFICATION: The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's use of the easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights afford under its Sovereign Immunity. Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does the reverse! Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] tower contracts
One of our favorite topics :) So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an "easement contract" of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the "indemification section". Basically, it reads as follows: INDEMNIFICATION: The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's use of the easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set forth in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights afford under its Sovereign Immunity. Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does the reverse! Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] signal too hot!
I had a customer like this - I just moved the CPE on the inside. Use that rubber stick to the glass mount. I know the Nanostations can, for your sake I hope the Locos can too, use a window mount (or wall mount) and put it inside the house. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:54 PM, RickG wrote: > Darn county road is between them and the silo :( > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:47 PM, wrote: > > Buy cheap fiber media converters and some fiber if they are that close. > > > > -Cameron > > > >> I know, we just discussed this topic a few weeks ago. I've got a new > >> customer who is right next to a grain silo and the issue is that it > >> drops their connection with XBox. I'm not getting complaints from > >> anyone else. The CPE is a NS2Loco and the signal is -29! I've already > >> have it aimed up at the sky. So, I set it for H-Pol (Silo has V-Pol > >> omni). Signal now -53 and it seems to have helped a lot. I'm just > >> concerned. Whats the downside? > >> -RickG > >> > >> > >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] signal too hot!
Darn county road is between them and the silo :( On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:47 PM, wrote: > Buy cheap fiber media converters and some fiber if they are that close. > > -Cameron > >> I know, we just discussed this topic a few weeks ago. I've got a new >> customer who is right next to a grain silo and the issue is that it >> drops their connection with XBox. I'm not getting complaints from >> anyone else. The CPE is a NS2Loco and the signal is -29! I've already >> have it aimed up at the sky. So, I set it for H-Pol (Silo has V-Pol >> omni). Signal now -53 and it seems to have helped a lot. I'm just >> concerned. Whats the downside? >> -RickG >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] signal too hot!
No downside. You introduced 25dB of attenuation is all. Smart move actually -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] signal too hot! I know, we just discussed this topic a few weeks ago. I've got a new customer who is right next to a grain silo and the issue is that it drops their connection with XBox. I'm not getting complaints from anyone else. The CPE is a NS2Loco and the signal is -29! I've already have it aimed up at the sky. So, I set it for H-Pol (Silo has V-Pol omni). Signal now -53 and it seems to have helped a lot. I'm just concerned. Whats the downside? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Did you set the correct default route on the 750? Greg Ihnen wrote: > I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is > not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) > manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping > the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip > address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this > could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another > location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually > configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond > it. > > Thanks in advance. > > Greg > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] signal too hot!
Buy cheap fiber media converters and some fiber if they are that close. -Cameron > I know, we just discussed this topic a few weeks ago. I've got a new > customer who is right next to a grain silo and the issue is that it > drops their connection with XBox. I'm not getting complaints from > anyone else. The CPE is a NS2Loco and the signal is -29! I've already > have it aimed up at the sky. So, I set it for H-Pol (Silo has V-Pol > omni). Signal now -53 and it seems to have helped a lot. I'm just > concerned. Whats the downside? > -RickG > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] signal too hot!
I know, we just discussed this topic a few weeks ago. I've got a new customer who is right next to a grain silo and the issue is that it drops their connection with XBox. I'm not getting complaints from anyone else. The CPE is a NS2Loco and the signal is -29! I've already have it aimed up at the sky. So, I set it for H-Pol (Silo has V-Pol omni). Signal now -53 and it seems to have helped a lot. I'm just concerned. Whats the downside? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Oh yes, don't forget irc://irc.freenode.net/##mikrotik Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Paul Hendry < paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com> wrote: > Can you ping the public address on the 750G from the lan? Can you ping any > external public addresses from the 750G? If answer to both is yes, check > masq rule on outbound interface and that connection tracking is enabled. > > -Original Message- > From: Greg Ihnen [mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com] > Sent: 02 March 2010 23:11 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750 > > I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem > is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 > Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access > or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but > not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what > this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at > another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, > manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but > nothing beyond it. > > Thanks in advance. > > Greg > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Can you ping the public address on the 750G from the lan? Can you ping any external public addresses from the 750G? If answer to both is yes, check masq rule on outbound interface and that connection tracking is enabled. -Original Message- From: Greg Ihnen [mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 March 2010 23:11 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750 I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
What kind of IP config do you have on ether1 and can the 750 ping out? On 3/2/10, Greg Ihnen wrote: > I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is > not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) > manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping > the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip > address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this > could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another > location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually > configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond > it. > > Thanks in advance. > > Greg > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Greg, We do have a few engineers still hanging here that can assist you with this, we do charge, but if you need some assistance let us know! --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 5:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750 I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats?
There is a certain amount of public data available from the 477 data. One piece of data they do have is a list of all the people who actually filed. Beyond that they don't have much information other than the aggregated reports filed by the FCC. This woman is clearly thinking she has a lot more authority than she does. You do not have to comply with anything, although it would not be in your best interest (my opinion obviously). I would call her back and ask to speak to her supervisor and/or ask for the contact information for the master contract holder for your state mapping initiative. I would then play that message and/r tell them the tactics this woman is employing. I highly doubt the state wants her pissing the carriers off like this. She's just trying to get a lot of data together because each state is required to have a significant data contribution to the NTIA by March 31st. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats? Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site Consortium? Someone named Debra Dupée is calling and asking for information about my company that has to do with the "Federal Broadband Mapping Program" She said she got my information from FCC Form 477! And is working with all ISPs in Arizona. 1. Doesn't this mean that the FCC broke it's word about the non-disclosure part of 477, since Data Site Consortium is a privately owned company? 2. Do I have to reply to their demands? Worst of all, I got a message on my cell yesterday that said (and I quote): "We will escalate this up to the State Level and then to the Federal level if we don't hear from you." The email addresses she provides aren't even branded: azbroadb...@gmail.com ddu...@cox.net Is she legit? Anyone? Shouldn't they have to provide proof of who they are or a warrant or something before I have to provide info? Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT? -SOLVED!!!!
To each his own but there is a reason every equipment manufacturer I know of has an easy to get to reset switch. As you know, with Tranzeo, you have to break the unit apart which convienently invalidates the warranty. Who owns your CPE, you or the customer? If your competition is using "your" radios, arent they doing so illegally? -RickG On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > I prefer not having easy access to the reset switch. That way a competitor > can't come along and swap your customer onto their service and use the CPE > that I still own. > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 5:09 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT? > -SOLVED > > I remember Kurt. I also remember they dont like easy access to the > reset switch. Tranzeo units work well but thank goodness for choice! > -RickG > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >> Well I don't know if many of you remember this issue but after about a > year >> of back and forth with Tranzeo and them playing the blame game on weather > or >> not there was an issue with CPQ/SL2's while running in router mode and the >> NAT tables getting full, this issue has finally been solved! >> >> >> >> The issue was apparently due to the units not having enough onboard RAM >> while running in router mode. >> >> Firmware version 5.0.4 - reduced the connection tables timeout values >> significantly. I consider this a band-aid fix but it does fix the problem >> and I'm happy. >> >> Firmware version 5.0.2 - still had the problem with the NAT tables getting >> full. >> >> >> >> Now here is where things get interesting. >> >> Firmware version 5.0.3 - this version is not anywhere on the website for >> download. Newer CPQ19's and possible SL2's are shipping with firmware > 5.0.3. >> A unit with this firmware will not upgrade to 5.0.4. If you try it then it >> says that it is incompatible version. So I'm thinking what the heck? I > can't >> upgrade to the version that fixed the NAT problem right so I'm screwed!?! >> WRONG, started digging around in the Tranzeo readme files and version > 5.0.3 >> says this "5.0.3 was created solely to facilitate changes on Tranzeo's >> Production Line. There are no feature differences between 5.0.2 and > 5.0.3." >> >> >> >> So they changed the production line huh? You are wondering what that means >> right? They ADDED MORE RAM TO THESE NEWER BOARDS. Thus fixing the problem, >> that's why there is no difference between version 5.0.2 and 5.0.3 >> >> (see file attached log.JPG) >> >> >> >> Check this out all newer boards have the this following name in the > software >> "TR6-5.0.3CPQ-HWr3" >> >> >> >> HWr3??? Guessing that means Hardware Version 3 >> >> (see file attached HWr3.JPG) >> >> >> >> So they still haven't publicly come out and said "Hey yes there was a >> problem, but now its fixed." And they probably never will admit it. I'm >> guessing this is so the shareholders don't get spooked. Anyways I'm just >> glad that its fixed. I remember loosing customers 2 years ago over this >> issue before I even knew that the Tranzeo CPE was at fault. >> >> >> >> Just my 2 cents >> >> >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> WAVELINC >> P.O. Box 126 >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> 419-562-6405 >> www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _ >> >> From: Bill Todd [mailto:re...@smartburst.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:56 AM >> To: Kurt Fankhauser >> Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? >> >> >> >> Kurt, >> >> Snickerno. >> >> Talked to them at length. Gave them access to our network. SNMP and the >> whole deal. Lot's of test driving, ooohhhs and aahhhs and remarks like, > "We >> found some interesting things." Then...nothing but crickets chirping. >> >> We have rolled back all units and are continuing to migrate away from > their >> products. It's a shame. >> >> 900 mhz units seemed to get messed up the most by 4.02. Can't tell you > why. >> Some had to go back to Tranzeo. >> >> Bill >> SmartBurst >> >> Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >> >> Bill, >> >> >> >> Have you found a solution to this yet? Tranzeo seems to have been doing >> nothing as newest firmware release still has the problem. >> >> >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> WAVELINC >> P.O. Box 126 >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> 419-562-6405 >> www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _ >> >> From: Bill Todd [mailto:re...@smartburst.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:40 AM >> To: Kurt Fankhauser >> Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? >> >> >> >> Getting customers back online first. >> >> Our owner will likely do that, but will forward your email to him. >> >> -Bill >> >> Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >> >> Have you emailed Tranzeo Support on this issue? What was their response?
Re: [WISPA] [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT? -SOLVED!!!!
I prefer not having easy access to the reset switch. That way a competitor can't come along and swap your customer onto their service and use the CPE that I still own. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 5:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT? -SOLVED I remember Kurt. I also remember they dont like easy access to the reset switch. Tranzeo units work well but thank goodness for choice! -RickG On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Well I don't know if many of you remember this issue but after about a year > of back and forth with Tranzeo and them playing the blame game on weather or > not there was an issue with CPQ/SL2's while running in router mode and the > NAT tables getting full, this issue has finally been solved! > > > > The issue was apparently due to the units not having enough onboard RAM > while running in router mode. > > Firmware version 5.0.4 - reduced the connection tables timeout values > significantly. I consider this a band-aid fix but it does fix the problem > and I'm happy. > > Firmware version 5.0.2 - still had the problem with the NAT tables getting > full. > > > > Now here is where things get interesting. > > Firmware version 5.0.3 - this version is not anywhere on the website for > download. Newer CPQ19's and possible SL2's are shipping with firmware 5.0.3. > A unit with this firmware will not upgrade to 5.0.4. If you try it then it > says that it is incompatible version. So I'm thinking what the heck? I can't > upgrade to the version that fixed the NAT problem right so I'm screwed!?! > WRONG, started digging around in the Tranzeo readme files and version 5.0.3 > says this "5.0.3 was created solely to facilitate changes on Tranzeo's > Production Line. There are no feature differences between 5.0.2 and 5.0.3." > > > > So they changed the production line huh? You are wondering what that means > right? They ADDED MORE RAM TO THESE NEWER BOARDS. Thus fixing the problem, > that's why there is no difference between version 5.0.2 and 5.0.3 > > (see file attached log.JPG) > > > > Check this out all newer boards have the this following name in the software > "TR6-5.0.3CPQ-HWr3" > > > > HWr3??? Guessing that means Hardware Version 3 > > (see file attached HWr3.JPG) > > > > So they still haven't publicly come out and said "Hey yes there was a > problem, but now its fixed." And they probably never will admit it. I'm > guessing this is so the shareholders don't get spooked. Anyways I'm just > glad that its fixed. I remember loosing customers 2 years ago over this > issue before I even knew that the Tranzeo CPE was at fault. > > > > Just my 2 cents > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > _ > > From: Bill Todd [mailto:re...@smartburst.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:56 AM > To: Kurt Fankhauser > Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? > > > > Kurt, > > Snickerno. > > Talked to them at length. Gave them access to our network. SNMP and the > whole deal. Lot's of test driving, ooohhhs and aahhhs and remarks like, "We > found some interesting things." Then...nothing but crickets chirping. > > We have rolled back all units and are continuing to migrate away from their > products. It's a shame. > > 900 mhz units seemed to get messed up the most by 4.02. Can't tell you why. > Some had to go back to Tranzeo. > > Bill > SmartBurst > > Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > > Bill, > > > > Have you found a solution to this yet? Tranzeo seems to have been doing > nothing as newest firmware release still has the problem. > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > _ > > From: Bill Todd [mailto:re...@smartburst.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:40 AM > To: Kurt Fankhauser > Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? > > > > Getting customers back online first. > > Our owner will likely do that, but will forward your email to him. > > -Bill > > Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > > Have you emailed Tranzeo Support on this issue? What was their response? If > you havn't you need to email them and CC: me because they apparently are not > even working on this issue. > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > _ > > From: wisp-ow...@part-15.org [mailto:wisp-ow...@part-15.org] On Behalf Of > Bill Todd > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 8:13 AM > To: w...@part-15.org > Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? > > > > We are seeing that too, same thing it isn't on all radios with 4.02, but > enough of them that it's now officially breaking working radios. W
Re: [WISPA] [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT? - SOLVED!!!!
I remember Kurt. I also remember they dont like easy access to the reset switch. Tranzeo units work well but thank goodness for choice! -RickG On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Well I don't know if many of you remember this issue but after about a year > of back and forth with Tranzeo and them playing the blame game on weather or > not there was an issue with CPQ/SL2's while running in router mode and the > NAT tables getting full, this issue has finally been solved! > > > > The issue was apparently due to the units not having enough onboard RAM > while running in router mode. > > Firmware version 5.0.4 - reduced the connection tables timeout values > significantly. I consider this a band-aid fix but it does fix the problem > and I'm happy. > > Firmware version 5.0.2 - still had the problem with the NAT tables getting > full. > > > > Now here is where things get interesting. > > Firmware version 5.0.3 - this version is not anywhere on the website for > download. Newer CPQ19's and possible SL2's are shipping with firmware 5.0.3. > A unit with this firmware will not upgrade to 5.0.4. If you try it then it > says that it is incompatible version. So I'm thinking what the heck? I can't > upgrade to the version that fixed the NAT problem right so I'm screwed!?! > WRONG, started digging around in the Tranzeo readme files and version 5.0.3 > says this "5.0.3 was created solely to facilitate changes on Tranzeo's > Production Line. There are no feature differences between 5.0.2 and 5.0.3." > > > > So they changed the production line huh? You are wondering what that means > right? They ADDED MORE RAM TO THESE NEWER BOARDS. Thus fixing the problem, > that's why there is no difference between version 5.0.2 and 5.0.3 > > (see file attached log.JPG) > > > > Check this out all newer boards have the this following name in the software > "TR6-5.0.3CPQ-HWr3" > > > > HWr3??? Guessing that means Hardware Version 3 > > (see file attached HWr3.JPG) > > > > So they still haven't publicly come out and said "Hey yes there was a > problem, but now its fixed." And they probably never will admit it. I'm > guessing this is so the shareholders don't get spooked. Anyways I'm just > glad that its fixed. I remember loosing customers 2 years ago over this > issue before I even knew that the Tranzeo CPE was at fault. > > > > Just my 2 cents > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > _ > > From: Bill Todd [mailto:re...@smartburst.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:56 AM > To: Kurt Fankhauser > Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? > > > > Kurt, > > Snickerno. > > Talked to them at length. Gave them access to our network. SNMP and the > whole deal. Lot's of test driving, ooohhhs and aahhhs and remarks like, "We > found some interesting things." Then...nothing but crickets chirping. > > We have rolled back all units and are continuing to migrate away from their > products. It's a shame. > > 900 mhz units seemed to get messed up the most by 4.02. Can't tell you why. > Some had to go back to Tranzeo. > > Bill > SmartBurst > > Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > > Bill, > > > > Have you found a solution to this yet? Tranzeo seems to have been doing > nothing as newest firmware release still has the problem. > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > _ > > From: Bill Todd [mailto:re...@smartburst.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:40 AM > To: Kurt Fankhauser > Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? > > > > Getting customers back online first. > > Our owner will likely do that, but will forward your email to him. > > -Bill > > Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > > Have you emailed Tranzeo Support on this issue? What was their response? If > you havn't you need to email them and CC: me because they apparently are not > even working on this issue. > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > _ > > From: wisp-ow...@part-15.org [mailto:wisp-ow...@part-15.org] On Behalf Of > Bill Todd > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 8:13 AM > To: w...@part-15.org > Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? > > > > We are seeing that too, same thing it isn't on all radios with 4.02, but > enough of them that it's now officially breaking working radios. We only > upgraded to fix non responsive GUI, (and liked the config backup option) but > we won't do ANY more of these. Gotta go swap out customer radio this > morning. It's a 6019. > > Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > > All was running fine on our CPE's running version 3.6.7 and did the upgrade > to version 4.0.2. Now every CPE that is running in router mode doing NAT > will randomly not pass new traffic. Example: running a constant ping to the > AP all of the sudden will start dropping pings. But the funny thing i
Re: [WISPA] New Ubiquiti Gear
No worries since you cant buy them :) -Rick On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Robert West wrote: > Got an email about the new products over at UBNT. I was looking at the > PowerAP, 1000mw indoor router. U I kinda go out of my way to keep > from too much RF, I've had 2 friends in the business die from brain cancer > and that stuff creeps me out. Any opinions on sleeping next to a 1000mw AP? > > > > I can see it in an office situation but I'm too RF conscience. > > > > Robert West > > Just Micro Digital Services Inc. > > 740-335-7020 > > > > Logo5 > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mac Dearman is...
Right...this would be much more fun! Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mac Dearman Geez, don't use a subject like that. Makes me think that I'm going to read something bad. Patrick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Walter W Stumpf Jr Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:27 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mac Dearman Mac, are you still around? Walter/NJ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mac Dearman
Geez, don't use a subject like that. Makes me think that I'm going to read something bad. Patrick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Walter W Stumpf Jr Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:27 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mac Dearman Mac, are you still around? Walter/NJ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mac Dearman
Mac, are you still around? Walter/NJ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations
The ones I used years ago were big pigs and the OTDRs we in huge rolling cases. The last fusion splicer I saw was a little DC model that was about the size of sandwich. It is a measure of my advancing years I suppose. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations On 2 March 2010 13:28, Bob Moldashel wrote: > OK All my thrifty friends out there > > What is the fastest, most reliable and cost effective system you have > found to terminate multimode fiber? > > I'm sure someone out there knows this answer. I'm still using Corning > Unicam and at $12+ per connection it gets up there doing a 500 > termination job. > Hang around the loading dock of your local Cable TV office and buy the guy carrying the big Fujikura box a six pack. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Private fiber deployments
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 10:27:45AM -0800, MDK wrote: > I have a situation where a rural housing development (very rural, up in the > mountains, far far from town, heavily wooded) is wanting broadband, and it > seems to me that the best way would be to wire these guys up. I have 900 > gear onsite, but the fact that the area is steep, rugged, and heavily > timbered, means I can't get even 900 to work well in it. > > When the original owner/developer started this thing, he put in underground > power and phones to some of it, and some of it's in the air. > > The roads are not county property, they are owned by the HOA that runs the > development.Anyone familiar with what legal entanglements and > requirements are involved in stringing fiber? I would need to run about > 1-2 miles, at absolute most, and it would pass 30 to 40 homes / yet > undeveloped lots. Sounds like you're all set. Get HOA permission and do it. This is really the simplest type of deployment as far as permissions go. If the pole are owned by a utility, you probably can't use them. You can run the fiber over the ground, on privately owned poles, or trenched. I've run it over the ground in an association. Just don't run it too close to the road where it might get damaged by a plow or bushhog. Make sure you use outdoor fiber, leave some slack for future splices, etc... I'd do active ethernet rather than gepon. > > Where do I look for best practices for build out, who's done this kind of > stuff? > > Any input or experiences with this appreciated. > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Airspan Hipermax
Anyone using this product in 3.65 or 2.3 ghz? Can you provide any results. Thanks, - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations
On 2 March 2010 13:28, Bob Moldashel wrote: > OK All my thrifty friends out there > > What is the fastest, most reliable and cost effective system you have > found to terminate multimode fiber? > > I'm sure someone out there knows this answer. I'm still using Corning > Unicam and at $12+ per connection it gets up there doing a 500 > termination job. > Hang around the loading dock of your local Cable TV office and buy the guy carrying the big Fujikura box a six pack. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations
Both are feasible, though technically terminating would result in less loss since a splice adds another point of attenuation, if small. It also depends on the type of splice. Fusion splicing provides the best splice result though a mechanical splice might be faster and avoids the cost of renting a splicer. Terminations (which also do not require rental equipment) are much simpler than when I was a fiber tech and should not cost you much. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:33 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations Isn't the trend these days to splice already terminated tails rather than installing connectors? I hear splicing is much faster and touts a less chance of error. At least that's what I learned last time we looked into doing our own fiber terminations... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations OK All my thrifty friends out there What is the fastest, most reliable and cost effective system you have found to terminate multimode fiber? I'm sure someone out there knows this answer. I'm still using Corning Unicam and at $12+ per connection it gets up there doing a 500 termination job. Tnx Bob WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Private fiber deployments
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outside_plant is a good starting point most likely. - -- Charles N Wyble Linux Systems Engineer char...@knownelement.com (818)280-7059 http://www.knownelement.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkuNXK0ACgkQJmrRtQ6zKE+7XgCfZjvVQMs+bHyjWSRXs1fKX3RJ NxcAni51LCqToD2l8dhAl1RQvdhVmgBC =NE48 -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Private fiber deployments
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 MDK wrote: > I have a situation where a rural housing development (very rural, up in the > mountains, far far from town, heavily wooded) is wanting broadband, and it > seems to me that the best way would be to wire these guys up. I have 900 > gear onsite, but the fact that the area is steep, rugged, and heavily > timbered, means I can't get even 900 to work well in it. Sounds about right. > > When the original owner/developer started this thing, he put in underground > power and phones to some of it, and some of it's in the air. Interesting. How accessible is the conduit etc? Is the demarc at the edge, or does the phone company own anything inside? Just wondering if you can get access to the existing paths with just the HOA approval. > > The roads are not county property, they are owned by the HOA that runs the > development. That's good. Is the power/phone is HOA property as well? Or a local utility company? Anyone familiar with what legal entanglements and > requirements are involved in stringing fiber? Most of what I have read is about right of way issues from cities. Presumably there are code requirements of some sort. Talk to guys like http://www.scte.org/ I would need to run about > 1-2 miles, at absolute most, and it would pass 30 to 40 homes / yet > undeveloped lots. Interesting. Would it be a loop? Passive or active? you should start a blog and keep track of what you find! :) > > Where do I look for best practices for build out, who's done this kind of > stuff? There is an organization that does a lot of the cabling standards and stuff bsci or bcsi or something. Having a hard time recalling the name right now. There is also scte. Search around for outside plant ... that is what has turned up a lot of good info for me. Of course I'm more of a hobbyist, and just intrigued by all the outside plant. :) > > Any input or experiences with this appreciated. Hopefully other far more experienced folks then I can share as well. :) - -- Charles N Wyble Linux Systems Engineer char...@knownelement.com (818)280-7059 http://www.knownelement.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkuNXIsACgkQJmrRtQ6zKE9ZsgCeLeHW9y1cUiW1dxuS1J7O1lJR BLkAnRMDHnkdoXCwOo6T0FY40gghvgms =Lusb -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations
I like these: http://www.afltele.com/resourcecenter/userguides/pdfs/FAST-SC-ST-LC-Connector-Instructions.pdf I think they were about $6.00 each. They are as easy to install as the website claims. Bob Moldashel wrote: > OK All my thrifty friends out there > > What is the fastest, most reliable and cost effective system you have > found to terminate multimode fiber? > > I'm sure someone out there knows this answer. I'm still using Corning > Unicam and at $12+ per connection it gets up there doing a 500 > termination job. > > Tnx > > Bob > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations
Isn't the trend these days to splice already terminated tails rather than installing connectors? I hear splicing is much faster and touts a less chance of error. At least that's what I learned last time we looked into doing our own fiber terminations... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations OK All my thrifty friends out there What is the fastest, most reliable and cost effective system you have found to terminate multimode fiber? I'm sure someone out there knows this answer. I'm still using Corning Unicam and at $12+ per connection it gets up there doing a 500 termination job. Tnx Bob WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats?
Google each email address separately. There are a few hits that relate. Matt > Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site Consortium? > > Someone named Debra Dupée is calling and asking for information about my > company that has to do with the "Federal Broadband Mapping Program" > > She said she got my information from FCC Form 477! And is working with > all ISPs in Arizona. > > 1. Doesn't this mean that the FCC broke it's word about the > non-disclosure part of 477, since Data Site Consortium is a privately > owned company? > > 2. Do I have to reply to their demands? > > Worst of all, I got a message on my cell yesterday that said (and I quote): > "We will escalate this up to the State Level and then to the Federal > level if we don't hear from you." > > The email addresses she provides aren't even branded: > azbroadb...@gmail.com > ddu...@cox.net > > Is she legit? Anyone? Shouldn't they have to provide proof of who they > are or a warrant or something before I have to provide info? > > Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Private fiber deployments
I have a situation where a rural housing development (very rural, up in the mountains, far far from town, heavily wooded) is wanting broadband, and it seems to me that the best way would be to wire these guys up. I have 900 gear onsite, but the fact that the area is steep, rugged, and heavily timbered, means I can't get even 900 to work well in it. When the original owner/developer started this thing, he put in underground power and phones to some of it, and some of it's in the air. The roads are not county property, they are owned by the HOA that runs the development.Anyone familiar with what legal entanglements and requirements are involved in stringing fiber? I would need to run about 1-2 miles, at absolute most, and it would pass 30 to 40 homes / yet undeveloped lots. Where do I look for best practices for build out, who's done this kind of stuff? Any input or experiences with this appreciated. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fiber Terminations
OK All my thrifty friends out there What is the fastest, most reliable and cost effective system you have found to terminate multimode fiber? I'm sure someone out there knows this answer. I'm still using Corning Unicam and at $12+ per connection it gets up there doing a 500 termination job. Tnx Bob WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats - who they are!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rosenberg-TX/Broadband-Properties-Magazine/163983686345 http://www.bbpmag.com/ Hope this helps. Mark -- From: "Stuart Pierce" Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:48 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats? > > I'd tell them to 'Bring It', it's on ! > > > -- Original Message -- > From: Jason Wallace > Reply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:46:58 -0700 > >>Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site Consortium? >> >>Someone named Debra Dupée is calling and asking for information about my >>company that has to do with the "Federal Broadband Mapping Program" >> >>She said she got my information from FCC Form 477! And is working with >>all ISPs in Arizona. >> >>1. Doesn't this mean that the FCC broke it's word about the >>non-disclosure part of 477, since Data Site Consortium is a privately >>owned company? >> >>2. Do I have to reply to their demands? >> >>Worst of all, I got a message on my cell yesterday that said (and I >>quote): >>"We will escalate this up to the State Level and then to the Federal >>level if we don't hear from you." >> >>The email addresses she provides aren't even branded: >>azbroadb...@gmail.com >>ddu...@cox.net >> >>Is she legit? Anyone? Shouldn't they have to provide proof of who they >>are or a warrant or something before I have to provide info? >> >>Jason >> >> >> >>WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > > > Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP
Monday, March 29th for BIP and Friday, March 26th for BTOP (for the infrastructure builds that WISPs would be concerned with). Chuck On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Jack Unger wrote: > What's the new date? > > Chuck Bartosch wrote: >> >> Odd, it's not in the press releases updates section...but it IS in the FAQ! >> >> Thanks Chris! >> >> Chuck >> >> On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:51 AM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: >> >> >>> For those of you following the game, BB USA advises that they have >>> extended the deadline on both BIP and BTOP applications. >>> >>> Chris Cooper >>> Intelliwave >>> >>> >>> This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> -- >> Chuck Bartosch >> Clarity Connect, Inc. >> 200 Pleasant Grove Road >> Ithaca, NY 14850 >> (607) 257-8268 >> >> "When the stars threw down their spears, >> and water'd heaven with their tears, >> Did He smile, His work to see? >> Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" >> >> >From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > > -- > Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. > Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing > Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 > www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 "When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" >From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats?
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 10:46:58AM -0700, Jason Wallace wrote: > Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site Consortium? > > Someone named Debra Dupée is calling and asking for information about my > company that has to do with the "Federal Broadband Mapping Program" I'm not aware of such a company. I have seen lists of companies with regard to 477, but not the actual data. So if she got contact info, that's probably publicly available information. > > She said she got my information from FCC Form 477! And is working with > all ISPs in Arizona. > > 1. Doesn't this mean that the FCC broke it's word about the > non-disclosure part of 477, since Data Site Consortium is a privately > owned company? > > 2. Do I have to reply to their demands? > > Worst of all, I got a message on my cell yesterday that said (and I quote): > "We will escalate this up to the State Level and then to the Federal > level if we don't hear from you." > > The email addresses she provides aren't even branded: > azbroadb...@gmail.com > ddu...@cox.net > > Is she legit? Anyone? Shouldn't they have to provide proof of who they > are or a warrant or something before I have to provide info? > > Jason > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason Wallace wrote: > Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site Consortium? > > Someone named Debra Dupée is calling and asking for information about my > company that has to do with the "Federal Broadband Mapping Program" > > She said she got my information from FCC Form 477! And is working with > all ISPs in Arizona. > > 1. Doesn't this mean that the FCC broke it's word about the > non-disclosure part of 477, since Data Site Consortium is a privately > owned company? I strongly doubt that. The feds tend to take the law pretty seriously. Disclosure that isn't in accordance with written agreements would almost certainly be a federal offense. I'm not a lawyer, but everything I have read says that the feds are pretty compliant. This person probably is on various e-mail lists (maybe even on this one), and/or has access to various business registration databases (I presume you are registered with your city/county/state and the federal government or some combination thereof?) > > 2. Do I have to reply to their demands? > > Worst of all, I got a message on my cell yesterday that said (and I quote): > "We will escalate this up to the State Level and then to the Federal > level if we don't hear from you." I would contact your local FBI office. This seems quite suspicious. It could even be considered a threat. The feds really don't like it when people try to use them as an intimidation element. > > The email addresses she provides aren't even branded: > azbroadb...@gmail.com > ddu...@cox.net Quite fraudulent. > > Is she legit? Anyone? Shouldn't they have to provide proof of who they > are or a warrant or something before I have to provide info? Absolutely. What info is this person asking for? When was it asked for? Did you record the phone number? Make sure to have all info in line before going to the FBI. > > Jason > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- Charles N Wyble Linux Systems Engineer char...@knownelement.com (818)280-7059 http://www.knownelement.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkuNUoAACgkQJmrRtQ6zKE+oWQCfXkzdCgZA2oRIxfxF7KicTcpC VGQAn21TY80CDVocZ4u7m2FGLOuYX0nu =UdNY -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques
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Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP
What's the new date? Chuck Bartosch wrote: Odd, it's not in the press releases updates section...but it IS in the FAQ! Thanks Chris! Chuck On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:51 AM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: For those of you following the game, BB USA advises that they have extended the deadline on both BIP and BTOP applications. Chris Cooper Intelliwave This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 "When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" >From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats?
I'd tell them to 'Bring It', it's on ! -- Original Message -- From: Jason Wallace Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:46:58 -0700 >Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site Consortium? > >Someone named Debra Dupée is calling and asking for information about my >company that has to do with the "Federal Broadband Mapping Program" > >She said she got my information from FCC Form 477! And is working with >all ISPs in Arizona. > >1. Doesn't this mean that the FCC broke it's word about the >non-disclosure part of 477, since Data Site Consortium is a privately >owned company? > >2. Do I have to reply to their demands? > >Worst of all, I got a message on my cell yesterday that said (and I quote): >"We will escalate this up to the State Level and then to the Federal >level if we don't hear from you." > >The email addresses she provides aren't even branded: >azbroadb...@gmail.com >ddu...@cox.net > >Is she legit? Anyone? Shouldn't they have to provide proof of who they >are or a warrant or something before I have to provide info? > >Jason > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats?
Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site Consortium? Someone named Debra Dupée is calling and asking for information about my company that has to do with the "Federal Broadband Mapping Program" She said she got my information from FCC Form 477! And is working with all ISPs in Arizona. 1. Doesn't this mean that the FCC broke it's word about the non-disclosure part of 477, since Data Site Consortium is a privately owned company? 2. Do I have to reply to their demands? Worst of all, I got a message on my cell yesterday that said (and I quote): "We will escalate this up to the State Level and then to the Federal level if we don't hear from you." The email addresses she provides aren't even branded: azbroadb...@gmail.com ddu...@cox.net Is she legit? Anyone? Shouldn't they have to provide proof of who they are or a warrant or something before I have to provide info? Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP
And the Broadband Strangle Us, er I mean Stimulus, continues. This continued postponement of decisions, awards, etc. is having the opposite effect as intended. Patrick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP Tuesday, March 2, 2010 NTIA and RUS will grant a limited extension of time to file infrastructure applications in the second funding round. Specifically, applicants for BTOP Comprehensive Community Infrastructure projects will have until March 26th to file their applications to NTIA. Applicants for BIP infrastructure projects will have until March 29th to file their applications to RUS. Applications in NTIA's two other project categories - Public Computer Centers and Sustainable Broadband Adoption - remain due on March 15th. -Matt On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:02 PM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: > I don't see anything about that listed on broadbandusa.gov. The only posting for today is the latest winners from round one. Where are you looking? > > Chuck > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:51 AM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: > >> For those of you following the game, BB USA advises that they have >> extended the deadline on both BIP and BTOP applications. >> >> Chris Cooper >> Intelliwave >> >> >> This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. >> >> >> >> >> - >> --- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> - >> --- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > Chuck Bartosch > Clarity Connect, Inc. > 200 Pleasant Grove Road > Ithaca, NY 14850 > (607) 257-8268 > > "When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their > tears, Did He smile, His work to see? > Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" > >> From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! > > > > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP
And the Broadband Strangle Us, er I mean Stimulus, continues. This continued postponement of decisions, awards, etc. is having the opposite effect as intended. Patrick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP Tuesday, March 2, 2010 NTIA and RUS will grant a limited extension of time to file infrastructure applications in the second funding round. Specifically, applicants for BTOP Comprehensive Community Infrastructure projects will have until March 26th to file their applications to NTIA. Applicants for BIP infrastructure projects will have until March 29th to file their applications to RUS. Applications in NTIA's two other project categories - Public Computer Centers and Sustainable Broadband Adoption - remain due on March 15th. -Matt On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:02 PM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: > I don't see anything about that listed on broadbandusa.gov. The only posting for today is the latest winners from round one. Where are you looking? > > Chuck > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:51 AM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: > >> For those of you following the game, BB USA advises that they have >> extended the deadline on both BIP and BTOP applications. >> >> Chris Cooper >> Intelliwave >> >> >> This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. >> >> >> >> >> - >> --- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> - >> --- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > Chuck Bartosch > Clarity Connect, Inc. > 200 Pleasant Grove Road > Ithaca, NY 14850 > (607) 257-8268 > > "When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their > tears, Did He smile, His work to see? > Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" > >> From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! > > > > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT? -SOLVED!!!!
I don't remember the email conversation, but it's very interesting and I'll be looking at upgrading some units evidently to the latest version.with a backup plan. -- Original Message -- From: "Kurt Fankhauser" Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 12:07:51 -0500 >Well I don't know if many of you remember this issue but after about a year >of back and forth with Tranzeo and them playing the blame game on weather or >not there was an issue with CPQ/SL2's while running in router mode and the >NAT tables getting full, this issue has finally been solved! > > > >The issue was apparently due to the units not having enough onboard RAM >while running in router mode. > >Firmware version 5.0.4 - reduced the connection tables timeout values >significantly. I consider this a band-aid fix but it does fix the problem >and I'm happy. > >Firmware version 5.0.2 - still had the problem with the NAT tables getting >full. > > > >Now here is where things get interesting. > >Firmware version 5.0.3 - this version is not anywhere on the website for >download. Newer CPQ19's and possible SL2's are shipping with firmware 5.0.3. >A unit with this firmware will not upgrade to 5.0.4. If you try it then it >says that it is incompatible version. So I'm thinking what the heck? I can't >upgrade to the version that fixed the NAT problem right so I'm screwed!?! >WRONG, started digging around in the Tranzeo readme files and version 5.0.3 >says this "5.0.3 was created solely to facilitate changes on Tranzeo's >Production Line. There are no feature differences between 5.0.2 and 5.0.3." > > > >So they changed the production line huh? You are wondering what that means >right? They ADDED MORE RAM TO THESE NEWER BOARDS. Thus fixing the problem, >that's why there is no difference between version 5.0.2 and 5.0.3 > >(see file attached log.JPG) > > > >Check this out all newer boards have the this following name in the software >"TR6-5.0.3CPQ-HWr3" > > > >HWr3??? Guessing that means Hardware Version 3 > >(see file attached HWr3.JPG) > > > >So they still haven't publicly come out and said "Hey yes there was a >problem, but now its fixed." And they probably never will admit it. I'm >guessing this is so the shareholders don't get spooked. Anyways I'm just >glad that its fixed. I remember loosing customers 2 years ago over this >issue before I even knew that the Tranzeo CPE was at fault. > > > >Just my 2 cents > > > >Kurt Fankhauser >WAVELINC >P.O. Box 126 >Bucyrus, OH 44820 >419-562-6405 >www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > _ > >From: Bill Todd [mailto:re...@smartburst.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:56 AM >To: Kurt Fankhauser >Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? > > > >Kurt, > >Snickerno. > >Talked to them at length. Gave them access to our network. SNMP and the >whole deal. Lot's of test driving, ooohhhs and aahhhs and remarks like, "We >found some interesting things." Then...nothing but crickets chirping. > >We have rolled back all units and are continuing to migrate away from their >products. It's a shame. > >900 mhz units seemed to get messed up the most by 4.02. Can't tell you why. >Some had to go back to Tranzeo. > >Bill >SmartBurst > >Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > >Bill, > > > >Have you found a solution to this yet? Tranzeo seems to have been doing >nothing as newest firmware release still has the problem. > > > >Kurt Fankhauser >WAVELINC >P.O. Box 126 >Bucyrus, OH 44820 >419-562-6405 >www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > _ > >From: Bill Todd [mailto:re...@smartburst.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:40 AM >To: Kurt Fankhauser >Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? > > > >Getting customers back online first. > >Our owner will likely do that, but will forward your email to him. > >-Bill > >Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > >Have you emailed Tranzeo Support on this issue? What was their response? If >you havn't you need to email them and CC: me because they apparently are not >even working on this issue. > > > >Kurt Fankhauser >WAVELINC >P.O. Box 126 >Bucyrus, OH 44820 >419-562-6405 >www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > _ > >From: wisp-ow...@part-15.org [mailto:wisp-ow...@part-15.org] On Behalf Of >Bill Todd >Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 8:13 AM >To: w...@part-15.org >Subject: Re: [WISP] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? > > > >We are seeing that too, same thing it isn't on all radios with 4.02, but >enough of them that it's now officially breaking working radios. We only >upgraded to fix non responsive GUI, (and liked the config backup option) but >we won't do ANY more of these. Gotta go swap out customer radio this >morning. It's a 6019. > >Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > >All was running fine on our CPE's running version 3.6.7 and did the upgrade >to version 4.0.2. Now every CPE that is running in router mode doing NAT >will randomly not pass new traffic. Example: running a constant ping to the >AP
Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP
Tuesday, March 2, 2010 NTIA and RUS will grant a limited extension of time to file infrastructure applications in the second funding round. Specifically, applicants for BTOP Comprehensive Community Infrastructure projects will have until March 26th to file their applications to NTIA. Applicants for BIP infrastructure projects will have until March 29th to file their applications to RUS. Applications in NTIA's two other project categories - Public Computer Centers and Sustainable Broadband Adoption - remain due on March 15th. -Matt On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:02 PM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: > I don't see anything about that listed on broadbandusa.gov. The only posting > for today is the latest winners from round one. Where are you looking? > > Chuck > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:51 AM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: > >> For those of you following the game, BB USA advises that they have >> extended the deadline on both BIP and BTOP applications. >> >> Chris Cooper >> Intelliwave >> >> >> This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > Chuck Bartosch > Clarity Connect, Inc. > 200 Pleasant Grove Road > Ithaca, NY 14850 > (607) 257-8268 > > "When the stars threw down their spears, > and water'd heaven with their tears, > Did He smile, His work to see? > Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" > >> From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP
Odd, it's not in the press releases updates section...but it IS in the FAQ! Thanks Chris! Chuck On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:51 AM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: > For those of you following the game, BB USA advises that they have > extended the deadline on both BIP and BTOP applications. > > Chris Cooper > Intelliwave > > > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 "When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" >From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP
I don't see anything about that listed on broadbandusa.gov. The only posting for today is the latest winners from round one. Where are you looking? Chuck On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:51 AM, ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: > For those of you following the game, BB USA advises that they have > extended the deadline on both BIP and BTOP applications. > > Chris Cooper > Intelliwave > > > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 "When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" >From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] BIP/BTOP
For those of you following the game, BB USA advises that they have extended the deadline on both BIP and BTOP applications. Chris Cooper Intelliwave This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 10:25:37AM -0600, Mike wrote: > The deep cycle batteries and an inverter are a good idea. I like the APC > units much better than the Tripplites; they have better power supplies. I've had APCs run great for 10 years, others have gotten hot and bulged batteries to the extent that the units had to be fully dissasembled to get the batteries out. We still get them for small (<$100) UPSs, but use Tripplite APS for the bigger stuff. We've got sites that will run 20+ hours on a 100AH 12v battery without us intervening. Compared to a portable generator, that saves three visits if power is restored in time. 1 to bring in and start a generator, one refuel, one visit to hook back up to utility power. > I have replaced a dead internal gel cell with an external deep cycle > battery. The only down side is the trickle circuitry is sized for a 7 ah or > so battery and NOT a 60 ah. So get a $20 general purpose trickle charger from walmart or harborfreight if you want to go this route. > I have actually been contemplating running both a solar panel and a wind > generator combination to power the equipment at the noc. Wing looks nice, but it's a pain unless you do grid-tied. You need large batteries to absorb the power generated and some of the wind generators aren't particularly reliable either. I think it has a strong future as a component of international energy needs, but it's sort of frustrating in an isolated setup. > The marketing mileage I would get out of that, in this day of "green" > awareness would be tremendous. The marketing would be that the entire > network is powered with green energy, and you could tout that in advertising > and your literature. > > Mike > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of jp > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:01 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] small generator with ATS > > We just ordered a GE 7KW from homedepot. #100661779 It comes with automatic > transfer for > $2239. No idea if it auto exercises; I'll find out soon enough. > > What's your actual load? > > For most of my tower sites, deep cycle batteries and tripplite APS are my > solution. > > > On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 09:27:46AM -0600, Marco Coelho wrote: > > I'm looking for small, 3-6 KW, propane fed generators with automatic > > transfer / exercise switches. This would be an ideal size for small > > tower sites. > > > > Marco > > > > -- > > Marco C. Coelho > > Argon Technologies Inc. > > POB 875 > > Greenville, TX 75403-0875 > > 903-455-5036 > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > /* > Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL > KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting > http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ > */ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
