Re: [WISPA] Multiple sectors, one frequency?

[Scott Lambert]

On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 03:54:11PM -0400, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> At 8/4/2010 03:37 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> >It will not work.
> >
> >But you would be surprised how well these run at 5 or 10 MHz channels.
> 
> With how much spacing between them?  If I could put them on adjacent 
> 10 MHz center frequencies, that would solve a lot of problems, and 
> even 5 MHz channels with 10 MHz spacing (and thus a 5 MHz guard band) 
> would be reasonable.  But 20 MHz spacing is problematic.

Doesn't that depend on how clean your adjacent radio is?  You might
want to look at AirView under Tools on your second Rocket5M while
the first is in operation.  Then you should *know* where the signal
from the first sector drops to levels you are willing to deal with
for the second sector.

-- 
Scott LambertKC5MLE   Unix SysAdmin
lamb...@lambertfam.org




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Re: [WISPA] OT- Friday Re: Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[RickG]

TGIF!!!

On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Jim Patient  wrote:

>  You could prolly use a laugh.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yT48wiRue4&feature=player_embedded
>
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> On 8/6/2010 11:10 PM, RickG wrote:
>
> Yes, but I'm not trying to live "that" lifestyle :)
> j/k ya! Thanks for the shoulder to cry on.
> -Rickeesha
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Robert West 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm familiar with that particular lifestyle.
>>
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>  Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:04 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>>
>> Funny timing for this discussion (which could be on the ubnt_users list)
>> but I'm spending tonight with 12 Nano's and Loco's resetting them and
>> uploading the latest firmware before putting them back in service.  Here
>> on my couch watching TV with my notebook and USB to my Ubiquiti's, how
>> do YOU spend your evenings? :)
>>
>> Forbes
>>
>> On 8/5/2010 5:28 PM, RickG wrote:
>> > Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no
>> > tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet cable
>> > last night. No help.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:
>> >
>> >> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a
>> lot.
>> >> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB
>> extension
>> >> cable.
>> >>
>> >> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and
>> seeing
>> >> loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can you pull
>> a
>> new
>> >> one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> >> Behalf Of RickG
>> >> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
>> >> To: WISPA General List
>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>> >>
>> >> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
>> >> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
>> >> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
>> >> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see
>> any
>> >>> loss?
>> >>>
>> >>> There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular
>> >>>
>> >> radio
>> >>
>> >>> scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?
>> >>>
>> >>> Friendly Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> Mike
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[WISPA] OT- Friday Re: Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Jim Patient]

 You could prolly use a laugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yT48wiRue4&feature=player_embedded


On 8/6/2010 11:10 PM, RickG wrote:

Yes, but I'm not trying to live "that" lifestyle :)
j/k ya! Thanks for the shoulder to cry on.
-Rickeesha

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Robert West 
mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com>> wrote:


I'm familiar with that particular lifestyle.



-Original Message-
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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
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Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

Funny timing for this discussion (which could be on the ubnt_users
list)
but I'm spending tonight with 12 Nano's and Loco's resetting them and
uploading the latest firmware before putting them back in service.
 Here
on my couch watching TV with my notebook and USB to my Ubiquiti's, how
do YOU spend your evenings? :)

Forbes

On 8/5/2010 5:28 PM, RickG wrote:
> Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I
have no
> tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet
cable
> last night. No help.
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mikemailto:m...@aweiowa.com>>  wrote:
>
>> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would
tell you a
lot.
>> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB
extension
>> cable.
>>
>> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping,
and seeing
>> loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can
you pull a
new
>> one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>>
>> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
>> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
>> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to
cause
>> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will
advise.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mikemailto:m...@aweiowa.com>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do
you see any
>>> loss?
>>>
>>> There might be an interference source that cropped up that the
regular
>>>
>> radio
>>
>>> scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?
>>>
>>> Friendly Regards,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[RickG]

Yes, but I'm not trying to live "that" lifestyle :)
j/k ya! Thanks for the shoulder to cry on.
-Rickeesha

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Robert West wrote:

> I'm familiar with that particular lifestyle.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:04 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>
> Funny timing for this discussion (which could be on the ubnt_users list)
> but I'm spending tonight with 12 Nano's and Loco's resetting them and
> uploading the latest firmware before putting them back in service.  Here
> on my couch watching TV with my notebook and USB to my Ubiquiti's, how
> do YOU spend your evenings? :)
>
> Forbes
>
> On 8/5/2010 5:28 PM, RickG wrote:
> > Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no
> > tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet cable
> > last night. No help.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:
> >
> >> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a
> lot.
> >> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB
> extension
> >> cable.
> >>
> >> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and seeing
> >> loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can you pull a
> new
> >> one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of RickG
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
> >>
> >> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
> >> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
> >> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
> >> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see
> any
> >>> loss?
> >>>
> >>> There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular
> >>>
> >> radio
> >>
> >>> scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?
> >>>
> >>> Friendly Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Multiple sectors, one frequency?

[RickG]

Anyone tried the shields out yet? If so, did you notice an improvement?

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 1:13 AM, MDK  wrote:

> Fred, a guy on the UBNT site was offering some RF shields for the UBNT
> sectors.   Those, combined with spacing and screening and grounding,
> appeared to bring the RXSL down low enough to actually put the same
> frequencies on the same tower.Or, if it were a building or water tank,
>
> But, Airmax does not provide immunity from self interference on its own.
> I
> know, I tried.   I put a backhaul and sector on the same frequency and when
> the sector was busy, it seriously degraded the backhaul's throughput.   And
> vice versa.
>
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> > If I have a site with, say, Ubiquiti Rocket M5 radios plugged into
> > 120 degree sector antennas, with Airmax (TDMA) turned on, do they
> > have to be on separate frequencies, or can they coexist on one?  The
> > 5.8 GHz band is kind of crowded to be having three access frequencies
> > plus two or more backhaul frequencies... thanks.
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[RickG]

Bob, I feel blessed that you offered. Sorry we didnt get to talk. Thanks!

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Bob Moldashel  wrote:

> OK  Nevermind.   Don't call me
>
>
>
> RickG wrote:
> > I thought of that too but no help. But I just finished installing a
> > Rocket5 Dish and the problem is now FIXED! It must be interference for
> > the local industrial park the link has to cross. Lookin much better
> > (see attached).
> >
> > THANKS TO ALL FOR BEING MY SECOND SET OF EYES!
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Mark Nash - Lists  > > wrote:
> >
> > How about insufficient power to the radio?
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* Mike 
> > *To:* 'WISPA General List' 
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 06, 2010 11:47 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
> >
> > Is one end lower than the other?  If so, there could be a duct
> > that is steering the signal or reflecting it away from the
> > intended path. Generally though, that would be reciprocal, but
> > not always. I had a tropospheric event this morning.  Such
> > events are way beyond the statistical norm for my area already
> > this year.
> >
> >
> >
> > Friendly Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> >
> > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > 
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > ] *On Behalf Of *RickG
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 06, 2010 1:12 PM
> > *To:* WISPA General List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
> >
> >
> >
> > Weather has been hot & humid. You think I can get better info
> > with an analyzer than the built in Ubiquiti?
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Mike  > > wrote:
> >
> > In my mind, you have eliminated mechanical and radio things.
> >  I take your
> > alignment is right.  I would at this point suspect
> > interference.  What has
> > your weather been like?  I have seen episodes of tropospheric
> > ducting do
> > that.  I had episodes earlier this summer where I had several
> > days of some
> > serious ducting events.  It's usually when a cooler layer of
> > stale air is
> > trapped by warmer upper air.  Can you get your hands on an
> > analyzer?
> >
> > Like I said, the Metageek WiSpy and software is a great little
> > tool for the
> > money.  It runs great on my netbook.  If I had a 5.8 version
> > I'd overnight
> > it to you.
> >
> > Friendly Regards,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > 
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > ] On
> > Behalf Of RickG
> >
> > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:17 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
> >
> > No transmitters that I know of. There is a WISP with Canopy in
> the
> > next town over but its at least 5 miles away. My magic wand
> > broke too.
> > Thanks!
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Mike  > > wrote:
> > > The USB extension would be for the WiSpy device you'd hook to
> > the antenna.
> > > That way you have plenty of cable and don't have to assume a
> > difficult
> > > position.  I have the 2.4G version of the WiSpy but not the
> > 5.8.  It can
> > > tell you a lot for a simple device.
> > >
> > > Is there any sort of nearby transmitter where they might have
> > turned up
> > the
> > > power?
> > >
> > > Did someone deploy Canopy close to you?
> > >
> > > I'd loan you my magic wand, but mine broke.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > 
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > ] On
> > > Behalf Of RickG
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:29 PM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
> > >
> > > Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower.
> > I have no
> > > tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare"
> > Ethernet cable
> > > last night. No help.
>

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[RickG]

Yes, that was why I swapped in a NanoBridge since it has no cables. This was
a great "POP" Quiz (pun intended). I've seen or heard of a lot of issues but
the idea that something is broadcasting something strong enough to take out
a short hop really makes you wonder what it is. Right now the Rocket Dish is
my hero!
On a side note: I'm having trouble with a 2.4GHz AP on another tower that
points in the same direction as the industrial park that I suspect is the
culprit.
Thanks again to all that replied to my calls for help - especially Faisal.


On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Jim Patient  wrote:

>  I had an issue like this years ago that turned out to be my antenna cable
> picking up the signal from an FM transmitter.  My LMR cable just happened to
> be the perfect length for an FM dipole.  I Just had to make a little longer
> cable and it was fine.  Not sure if this was your issue but it is something
> to keep in mind.  Just cause it isn't your frequency, don't think it can't
> affect your equipment.
>
> No I wasn't smart enough to figure it out.   On about the 15th trip to the
> ground I was telling one of the radio station engineers and he asked me how
> long my antenna cable was.  He started giving me a class on harmonics and
> how they cross frequencies. I don't remember much of what he said but I Just
> got lucky that he was there or I would have still been changing dishes and
> radios;-)
>
> Jim
>
>
> On 8/6/2010 6:13 PM, RickG wrote:
>
> Yes, from the AP. The new Rocket Dish has a huge improvement on tx signal.
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Bob Moldashel  wrote:
>
>> Rick,
>>
>> Where were you scanning from when you got this?
>>
>> Scanned 10.10.31.1 - 10.10.31.55
>> 8/6/2010 7:22:04 AM
>>
>> IPPing  Hostname
>>
>> 10.10.31.12 ms  N/A
>> 10.10.31.3158 msN/A
>> 10.10.31.4637 msN/A
>> 10.10.31.22   547 msN/A
>> 10.10.31.21   567 msN/A
>> 10.10.31.23   567 msN/A
>> 10.10.31.26   711 msN/A
>> 10.10.31.29   859 msN/A
>> 10.10.31.32   852 msN/A
>> 10.10.31.39   774 msN/A
>> 10.10.31.43   676 msN/A
>> 10.10.31.44   898 msN/A
>> 10.10.31.47   885 msN/A
>> 10.10.31.48   1289 ms   N/A
>> 10.10.31.27   704 msN/A
>> 10.10.31.25   1234 ms   N/A
>> 10.10.31.28   784 msN/A
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I am assuming from the AP (or before it) because the 31.1 radio has 2 ms
>> ping time.
>> I wouldn't think one bad sub would be causing ping times like this across
>> the wireless network unless it was flooding the pipe.
>> We see these results (albeit different manufacturers equipment) when
>> clients have viruses or they tank the network when they are not throttled.
>> I just hope you are not seeing better results because "Mike the Porn King"
>> shut his laptop off and took it home at the end of his work week.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>
>> -B-
>>
>>
>> RickG wrote:
>> > I thought of that too but no help. But I just finished installing a
>> > Rocket5 Dish and the problem is now FIXED! It must be interference for
>> > the local industrial park the link has to cross. Lookin much better
>> > (see attached).
>> >
>> > THANKS TO ALL FOR BEING MY SECOND SET OF EYES!
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Mark Nash - Lists >  > > wrote:
>> >
>> > How about insufficient power to the radio?
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>>  > *From:* Mike 
>> > *To:* 'WISPA General List' 
>>  > *Sent:* Friday, August 06, 2010 11:47 AM
>> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>> >
>> > Is one end lower than the other?  If so, there could be a duct
>> > that is steering the signal or reflecting it away from the
>> > intended path. Generally though, that would be reciprocal, but
>> > not always. I had a tropospheric event this morning.  Such
>> > events are way beyond the statistical norm for my area already
>> > this year.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Friendly Regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> >
>> > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> > 
>> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> > ] *On Behalf Of *RickG
>> > *Sent:* Friday, August 06, 2010 1:12 PM
>> > *To:* WISPA General List
>> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Weather has been hot & humi

Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector

[Mike]

The wiring pin-out Gino sent looks fairly straight forward.  Let me know if
you need any help. 

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 


Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector

  I heard something about some of these IDUs having TDM interfaces as 
well, so I wonder if it is proprietary going up the cable.

Someone gave me an idea a little bit ago.  Check my other IDU on that 
ODU to make sure it's not a blown network port on the ODU.  The ODU 
receives power just fine.  Will try that in the morning.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 8/6/2010 8:55 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>Does anyone have one I could beg, borrow or steal one from?  WAV has
> 3, but they closed before I could get there.  If I hadn't lost my wallet
> today, I probably could have made it on time.  I'm in Northern IL.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 8/4/2010 6:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> I may have lost an Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector in yesterday's
>> storms.  Are they the same as another PoE Injector or do I need to track
>> down some old stock somewhere?
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector

[KosiNet Wireless]

I'm in central Ohio. I've got a client that we linked to his house, from his 
store. (Long story)

It's been down for a couple of months now, and I'm pretty sure he's not 
using it.

-Gary-


- Original Message - 
From: "Mike" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector


> Which direction are you from northern Illinois and central Iowa?  I could
> start driving too.
>
>
> On Behalf Of KosiNet Wireless
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:12 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector
>
> I know where I could borrow one.
>
> But I'm 6+ hours away from you
>
> Wish I were closer.
>
> -Gary-
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector
>
>
>>  It's more than just a PoE.  All kinds of fancy electronics and junk.
>> I wish they didn't get all fancy and just had a PoE.
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/6/2010 9:14 PM, Mike wrote:
>>> What makes it unique?  I have some Canopy ones.  Would they work?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:56 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector
>>>
>>>Does anyone have one I could beg, borrow or steal one from?  WAV has
>>> 3, but they closed before I could get there.  If I hadn't lost my wallet
>>> today, I probably could have made it on time.  I'm in Northern IL.
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/4/2010 6:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 I may have lost an Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector in yesterday's
 storms.  Are they the same as another PoE Injector or do I need to 
 track
 down some old stock somewhere?

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Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector

[Mike Hammett]

  I heard something about some of these IDUs having TDM interfaces as 
well, so I wonder if it is proprietary going up the cable.

Someone gave me an idea a little bit ago.  Check my other IDU on that 
ODU to make sure it's not a blown network port on the ODU.  The ODU 
receives power just fine.  Will try that in the morning.

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On 8/6/2010 8:55 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>Does anyone have one I could beg, borrow or steal one from?  WAV has
> 3, but they closed before I could get there.  If I hadn't lost my wallet
> today, I probably could have made it on time.  I'm in Northern IL.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 8/4/2010 6:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> I may have lost an Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector in yesterday's
>> storms.  Are they the same as another PoE Injector or do I need to track
>> down some old stock somewhere?
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector

[Mike]

Which direction are you from northern Illinois and central Iowa?  I could
start driving too.


On Behalf Of KosiNet Wireless
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector

I know where I could borrow one.

But I'm 6+ hours away from you

Wish I were closer.

-Gary-

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector


>  It's more than just a PoE.  All kinds of fancy electronics and junk.
> I wish they didn't get all fancy and just had a PoE.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
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> On 8/6/2010 9:14 PM, Mike wrote:
>> What makes it unique?  I have some Canopy ones.  Would they work?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:56 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector
>>
>>Does anyone have one I could beg, borrow or steal one from?  WAV has
>> 3, but they closed before I could get there.  If I hadn't lost my wallet
>> today, I probably could have made it on time.  I'm in Northern IL.
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/4/2010 6:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> I may have lost an Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector in yesterday's
>>> storms.  Are they the same as another PoE Injector or do I need to track
>>> down some old stock somewhere?
>>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector

[Gino Villarini]

Whats the problem? Maybe the PS is dead but still you can imput 48 vdc
via the side ports and power the radio

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector

  It's more than just a PoE.  All kinds of fancy electronics and junk.  
I wish they didn't get all fancy and just had a PoE.

-
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On 8/6/2010 9:14 PM, Mike wrote:
> What makes it unique?  I have some Canopy ones.  Would they work?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:56 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector
>
>Does anyone have one I could beg, borrow or steal one from?  WAV
has
> 3, but they closed before I could get there.  If I hadn't lost my
wallet
> today, I probably could have made it on time.  I'm in Northern IL.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 8/4/2010 6:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> I may have lost an Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector in yesterday's
>> storms.  Are they the same as another PoE Injector or do I need to
track
>> down some old stock somewhere?
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector

[Gino Villarini]

Maybe this would help:

 

 

 

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g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector

 

  It's more than just a PoE.  All kinds of fancy electronics and junk.  

I wish they didn't get all fancy and just had a PoE.

 

-

Mike Hammett

Intelligent Computing Solutions

http://www.ics-il.com

 

 

 

On 8/6/2010 9:14 PM, Mike wrote:

> What makes it unique?  I have some Canopy ones.  Would they work?

> 

> -Original Message-

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On

> Behalf Of Mike Hammett

> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:56 PM

> To: WISPA General List

> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector

> 

>Does anyone have one I could beg, borrow or steal one from?  WAV
has

> 3, but they closed before I could get there.  If I hadn't lost my
wallet

> today, I probably could have made it on time.  I'm in Northern IL.

> 

> -

> Mike Hammett

> Intelligent Computing Solutions

> http://www.ics-il.com

> 

> 

> 

> On 8/4/2010 6:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

>> I may have lost an Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector in yesterday's

>> storms.  Are they the same as another PoE Injector or do I need to
track

>> down some old stock somewhere?

>> 

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Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector

[KosiNet Wireless]

I know where I could borrow one.

But I'm 6+ hours away from you

Wish I were closer.

-Gary-

- Original Message - 
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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector


>  It's more than just a PoE.  All kinds of fancy electronics and junk.
> I wish they didn't get all fancy and just had a PoE.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
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>
> On 8/6/2010 9:14 PM, Mike wrote:
>> What makes it unique?  I have some Canopy ones.  Would they work?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:56 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector
>>
>>Does anyone have one I could beg, borrow or steal one from?  WAV has
>> 3, but they closed before I could get there.  If I hadn't lost my wallet
>> today, I probably could have made it on time.  I'm in Northern IL.
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/4/2010 6:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> I may have lost an Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector in yesterday's
>>> storms.  Are they the same as another PoE Injector or do I need to track
>>> down some old stock somewhere?
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector

[Mike]

I can't seem to find much on the Internet. I saw something about POE
injectors and non-standard pin-outs, but that should be easy to do.

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  It's more than just a PoE.  All kinds of fancy electronics and junk.  
I wish they didn't get all fancy and just had a PoE.

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Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector

[Mike]

Too bad.  If it's not patented, you could make one.  I have some fancy
electronics parts as well as some junk out in my barn.  I don't have the
schematic, but what's in those?  

Static protection and a light?  Do they use different leads for power?  If
it takes 4 wires for data, and another 4 for power, they can't be doing too
much to it.

I'd help you in any way I can. We're not that far away.

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector

  It's more than just a PoE.  All kinds of fancy electronics and junk.  
I wish they didn't get all fancy and just had a PoE.

-
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Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector

[Mike Hammett]

  It's more than just a PoE.  All kinds of fancy electronics and junk.  
I wish they didn't get all fancy and just had a PoE.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 8/6/2010 9:14 PM, Mike wrote:
> What makes it unique?  I have some Canopy ones.  Would they work?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:56 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector
>
>Does anyone have one I could beg, borrow or steal one from?  WAV has
> 3, but they closed before I could get there.  If I hadn't lost my wallet
> today, I probably could have made it on time.  I'm in Northern IL.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 8/4/2010 6:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> I may have lost an Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector in yesterday's
>> storms.  Are they the same as another PoE Injector or do I need to track
>> down some old stock somewhere?
>>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector

[Mike]

What makes it unique?  I have some Canopy ones.  Would they work? 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector

  Does anyone have one I could beg, borrow or steal one from?  WAV has 
3, but they closed before I could get there.  If I hadn't lost my wallet 
today, I probably could have made it on time.  I'm in Northern IL.

-
Mike Hammett
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http://www.ics-il.com



On 8/4/2010 6:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>I may have lost an Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector in yesterday's
> storms.  Are they the same as another PoE Injector or do I need to track
> down some old stock somewhere?
>




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Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector

[Mike Hammett]

  Does anyone have one I could beg, borrow or steal one from?  WAV has 
3, but they closed before I could get there.  If I hadn't lost my wallet 
today, I probably could have made it on time.  I'm in Northern IL.

-
Mike Hammett
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On 8/4/2010 6:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>I may have lost an Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector in yesterday's
> storms.  Are they the same as another PoE Injector or do I need to track
> down some old stock somewhere?
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Re: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio

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Do both ends.  I have seen setting one end work for a while, then it 
seems the other tries to negotiate and doesn't get what it wants and 
goes bonkers.  I have never had an issue when both were hard set to the 
same configuration.

richard sterne wrote:
> Is the network card set to auto neg? I have had issues with this. Set
> to a rate of 10 or 100 problem gone.
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Re: [WISPA] Stuff for Sale, Trango, Fiber, etc

[Sales]

Why did you pull the versatek fiber equipment ?

John Buwa
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On Aug 6, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Cameron Kilton  wrote:

> I have: (I will take care of shipping expenses within US)
>
> (1) Trango P5055M-EXT-US - Working pull this week - Would like to  
> see $450
>
> (1) Set of Adtran Opti-3 Fiber DS3 Multiplexer. Deliver three DS3  
> from a
> signle OC-3 Feed.
> http://www.adtran.com/web/page/portal/Adtran/product/1184003L1/270 -
> Would like to see $600 or best offer for them.
>
> (1) Versa Tek VX-EP3108 GePON head end for 126 client card. Includes  
> 1 CPE
> http://www.versatek.com/products/vxep3108.htm
> $500 takes it paid over $3000 for it last fall.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> Thanks,
> Cameron Kilton
> Project Manager
> Midcoast Internet Solutions
> http://www.midcoast.com
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> (207) 594-8277 x 108
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[RickG]

Yes, from the AP. The new Rocket Dish has a huge improvement on tx signal.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Bob Moldashel  wrote:

> Rick,
>
> Where were you scanning from when you got this?
>
> Scanned 10.10.31.1 - 10.10.31.55
> 8/6/2010 7:22:04 AM
>
> IPPing  Hostname
>
> 10.10.31.12 ms  N/A
> 10.10.31.3158 msN/A
> 10.10.31.4637 msN/A
> 10.10.31.22   547 msN/A
> 10.10.31.21   567 msN/A
> 10.10.31.23   567 msN/A
> 10.10.31.26   711 msN/A
> 10.10.31.29   859 msN/A
> 10.10.31.32   852 msN/A
> 10.10.31.39   774 msN/A
> 10.10.31.43   676 msN/A
> 10.10.31.44   898 msN/A
> 10.10.31.47   885 msN/A
> 10.10.31.48   1289 ms   N/A
> 10.10.31.27   704 msN/A
> 10.10.31.25   1234 ms   N/A
> 10.10.31.28   784 msN/A
>
>
>
>
> I am assuming from the AP (or before it) because the 31.1 radio has 2 ms
> ping time.
> I wouldn't think one bad sub would be causing ping times like this across
> the wireless network unless it was flooding the pipe.
> We see these results (albeit different manufacturers equipment) when
> clients have viruses or they tank the network when they are not throttled.
> I just hope you are not seeing better results because "Mike the Porn King"
> shut his laptop off and took it home at the end of his work week.
>
> :-)
>
>
> -B-
>
>
> RickG wrote:
> > I thought of that too but no help. But I just finished installing a
> > Rocket5 Dish and the problem is now FIXED! It must be interference for
> > the local industrial park the link has to cross. Lookin much better
> > (see attached).
> >
> > THANKS TO ALL FOR BEING MY SECOND SET OF EYES!
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Mark Nash - Lists  > > wrote:
> >
> > How about insufficient power to the radio?
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* Mike 
> > *To:* 'WISPA General List' 
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 06, 2010 11:47 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
> >
> > Is one end lower than the other?  If so, there could be a duct
> > that is steering the signal or reflecting it away from the
> > intended path. Generally though, that would be reciprocal, but
> > not always. I had a tropospheric event this morning.  Such
> > events are way beyond the statistical norm for my area already
> > this year.
> >
> >
> >
> > Friendly Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> >
> > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > 
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > ] *On Behalf Of *RickG
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 06, 2010 1:12 PM
> > *To:* WISPA General List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
> >
> >
> >
> > Weather has been hot & humid. You think I can get better info
> > with an analyzer than the built in Ubiquiti?
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Mike  > > wrote:
> >
> > In my mind, you have eliminated mechanical and radio things.
> >  I take your
> > alignment is right.  I would at this point suspect
> > interference.  What has
> > your weather been like?  I have seen episodes of tropospheric
> > ducting do
> > that.  I had episodes earlier this summer where I had several
> > days of some
> > serious ducting events.  It's usually when a cooler layer of
> > stale air is
> > trapped by warmer upper air.  Can you get your hands on an
> > analyzer?
> >
> > Like I said, the Metageek WiSpy and software is a great little
> > tool for the
> > money.  It runs great on my netbook.  If I had a 5.8 version
> > I'd overnight
> > it to you.
> >
> > Friendly Regards,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > 
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > ] On
> > Behalf Of RickG
> >
> > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:17 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
> >
> > No transmitters that I know of. There is a WISP with Canopy in
> the
> >

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[RickG]

Thanks for the offer!

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Bob Moldashel  wrote:

> OK  Nevermind.   Don't call me
>
>
>
> RickG wrote:
> > I thought of that too but no help. But I just finished installing a
> > Rocket5 Dish and the problem is now FIXED! It must be interference for
> > the local industrial park the link has to cross. Lookin much better
> > (see attached).
> >
> > THANKS TO ALL FOR BEING MY SECOND SET OF EYES!
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Mark Nash - Lists  > > wrote:
> >
> > How about insufficient power to the radio?
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* Mike 
> > *To:* 'WISPA General List' 
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 06, 2010 11:47 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
> >
> > Is one end lower than the other?  If so, there could be a duct
> > that is steering the signal or reflecting it away from the
> > intended path. Generally though, that would be reciprocal, but
> > not always. I had a tropospheric event this morning.  Such
> > events are way beyond the statistical norm for my area already
> > this year.
> >
> >
> >
> > Friendly Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> >
> > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > 
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > ] *On Behalf Of *RickG
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 06, 2010 1:12 PM
> > *To:* WISPA General List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
> >
> >
> >
> > Weather has been hot & humid. You think I can get better info
> > with an analyzer than the built in Ubiquiti?
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Mike  > > wrote:
> >
> > In my mind, you have eliminated mechanical and radio things.
> >  I take your
> > alignment is right.  I would at this point suspect
> > interference.  What has
> > your weather been like?  I have seen episodes of tropospheric
> > ducting do
> > that.  I had episodes earlier this summer where I had several
> > days of some
> > serious ducting events.  It's usually when a cooler layer of
> > stale air is
> > trapped by warmer upper air.  Can you get your hands on an
> > analyzer?
> >
> > Like I said, the Metageek WiSpy and software is a great little
> > tool for the
> > money.  It runs great on my netbook.  If I had a 5.8 version
> > I'd overnight
> > it to you.
> >
> > Friendly Regards,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > 
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > ] On
> > Behalf Of RickG
> >
> > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:17 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
> >
> > No transmitters that I know of. There is a WISP with Canopy in
> the
> > next town over but its at least 5 miles away. My magic wand
> > broke too.
> > Thanks!
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Mike  > > wrote:
> > > The USB extension would be for the WiSpy device you'd hook to
> > the antenna.
> > > That way you have plenty of cable and don't have to assume a
> > difficult
> > > position.  I have the 2.4G version of the WiSpy but not the
> > 5.8.  It can
> > > tell you a lot for a simple device.
> > >
> > > Is there any sort of nearby transmitter where they might have
> > turned up
> > the
> > > power?
> > >
> > > Did someone deploy Canopy close to you?
> > >
> > > I'd loan you my magic wand, but mine broke.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > 
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > ] On
> > > Behalf Of RickG
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:29 PM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
> > >
> > > Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower.
> > I have no
> > > tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare"
> > Ethernet cable
> > > last night. No help.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:

Re: [WISPA] Costs

[Blake Bowers]

I figure it kills the value!

That and the cost of taking some of those AP's down.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "Matt" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Costs


> Ok, I hope this is allowable.
>
> I have been asked by a friend - not even close to the WISP
> or tower industry, to provide a basic value to some equipment.
>
> Most of this is in use now, and I have no more info that
> what I will list. Best guess is all I can ask for. If it DOES go
> for sale, I will make sure it goes to this list first.
>
> Motorola access points
> Standard 5.8 Ghz (40?)
> Advantage 900 (5?)
> Advantage 5.8 (10?)
>
>
> 5 Motorola Backhaul
> 10 Trango backhaul
> 26 Soloteck backhaul
> 12 EXP backhauls
>
> 30 servers, consisting of
> mail, DNS, Billing, web, LAN, telephone, etc. No idea on
> what kind of software, etc.
>
> 3000 Motorola SM subscriber units, 5.8, 5.2, and 900.
> 2000 Trango 5.8

Hmm, are truck rolls required to pull sm's?  Could really hurt value.

Matt



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[WISPA] 3.65 MIMO 2x2 CPE

[Matt Jenkins]

I am surprised that there are a bunch of MIMO 2x2 APs (Alvarion, Moto, 
Airspan, etc) yet I cannot find a CPE. For foliage penetration the lack 
of the dual Tx on the CPE is a real disappointment. Has anyone seen a 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Bob Moldashel]

Rick,

Where were you scanning from when you got this?  

Scanned 10.10.31.1 - 10.10.31.55
8/6/2010 7:22:04 AM

IPPing  Hostname

10.10.31.12 ms  N/A 
10.10.31.3158 msN/A 
10.10.31.4637 msN/A 
10.10.31.22   547 msN/A 
10.10.31.21   567 msN/A 
10.10.31.23   567 msN/A 
10.10.31.26   711 msN/A 
10.10.31.29   859 msN/A 
10.10.31.32   852 msN/A 
10.10.31.39   774 msN/A 
10.10.31.43   676 msN/A 
10.10.31.44   898 msN/A 
10.10.31.47   885 msN/A 
10.10.31.48   1289 ms   N/A 
10.10.31.27   704 msN/A 
10.10.31.25   1234 ms   N/A   
10.10.31.28   784 msN/A 




I am assuming from the AP (or before it) because the 31.1 radio has 2 ms ping 
time.  
I wouldn't think one bad sub would be causing ping times like this across the 
wireless network unless it was flooding the pipe. 
We see these results (albeit different manufacturers equipment) when clients 
have viruses or they tank the network when they are not throttled.  
I just hope you are not seeing better results because "Mike the Porn King" shut 
his laptop off and took it home at the end of his work week.  

:-)


-B-


RickG wrote:
> I thought of that too but no help. But I just finished installing a 
> Rocket5 Dish and the problem is now FIXED! It must be interference for 
> the local industrial park the link has to cross. Lookin much better 
> (see attached).
>
> THANKS TO ALL FOR BEING MY SECOND SET OF EYES!
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Mark Nash - Lists  > wrote:
>
> How about insufficient power to the radio?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Mike 
> *To:* 'WISPA General List' 
> *Sent:* Friday, August 06, 2010 11:47 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>
> Is one end lower than the other?  If so, there could be a duct
> that is steering the signal or reflecting it away from the
> intended path. Generally though, that would be reciprocal, but
> not always. I had a tropospheric event this morning.  Such
> events are way beyond the statistical norm for my area already
> this year.
>
>  
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
>  
>
> Mike
>
>  
>
> 
> 
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *RickG
> *Sent:* Friday, August 06, 2010 1:12 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>
>  
>
> Weather has been hot & humid. You think I can get better info
> with an analyzer than the built in Ubiquiti? 
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Mike  > wrote:
>
> In my mind, you have eliminated mechanical and radio things.
>  I take your
> alignment is right.  I would at this point suspect
> interference.  What has
> your weather been like?  I have seen episodes of tropospheric
> ducting do
> that.  I had episodes earlier this summer where I had several
> days of some
> serious ducting events.  It's usually when a cooler layer of
> stale air is
> trapped by warmer upper air.  Can you get your hands on an
> analyzer?
>
> Like I said, the Metageek WiSpy and software is a great little
> tool for the
> money.  It runs great on my netbook.  If I had a 5.8 version
> I'd overnight
> it to you.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> ] On
> Behalf Of RickG
>
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:17 AM
> To: WISPA General List
>

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Bob Moldashel]

OK  Nevermind.   Don't call me



RickG wrote:
> I thought of that too but no help. But I just finished installing a 
> Rocket5 Dish and the problem is now FIXED! It must be interference for 
> the local industrial park the link has to cross. Lookin much better 
> (see attached).
>
> THANKS TO ALL FOR BEING MY SECOND SET OF EYES!
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Mark Nash - Lists  > wrote:
>
> How about insufficient power to the radio?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Mike 
> *To:* 'WISPA General List' 
> *Sent:* Friday, August 06, 2010 11:47 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>
> Is one end lower than the other?  If so, there could be a duct
> that is steering the signal or reflecting it away from the
> intended path. Generally though, that would be reciprocal, but
> not always. I had a tropospheric event this morning.  Such
> events are way beyond the statistical norm for my area already
> this year.
>
>  
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
>  
>
> Mike
>
>  
>
> 
> 
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *RickG
> *Sent:* Friday, August 06, 2010 1:12 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>
>  
>
> Weather has been hot & humid. You think I can get better info
> with an analyzer than the built in Ubiquiti? 
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Mike  > wrote:
>
> In my mind, you have eliminated mechanical and radio things.
>  I take your
> alignment is right.  I would at this point suspect
> interference.  What has
> your weather been like?  I have seen episodes of tropospheric
> ducting do
> that.  I had episodes earlier this summer where I had several
> days of some
> serious ducting events.  It's usually when a cooler layer of
> stale air is
> trapped by warmer upper air.  Can you get your hands on an
> analyzer?
>
> Like I said, the Metageek WiSpy and software is a great little
> tool for the
> money.  It runs great on my netbook.  If I had a 5.8 version
> I'd overnight
> it to you.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> ] On
> Behalf Of RickG
>
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:17 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>
> No transmitters that I know of. There is a WISP with Canopy in the
> next town over but its at least 5 miles away. My magic wand
> broke too.
> Thanks!
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Mike  > wrote:
> > The USB extension would be for the WiSpy device you'd hook to
> the antenna.
> > That way you have plenty of cable and don't have to assume a
> difficult
> > position.  I have the 2.4G version of the WiSpy but not the
> 5.8.  It can
> > tell you a lot for a simple device.
> >
> > Is there any sort of nearby transmitter where they might have
> turned up
> the
> > power?
> >
> > Did someone deploy Canopy close to you?
> >
> > I'd loan you my magic wand, but mine broke.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> ] On
> > Behalf Of RickG
> > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:29 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
> >
> > Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower.
> I have no
> > tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare"
> Ethernet cable
> > last night. No help.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  > wrote:
> >> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would
> tell you a
> > lot.
> >> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry
> a USB
> > extension
> >> ca

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[RickG]

LOL! I'm tired and sent this to the whole list! Anyone else wanna looksee?

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:57 PM, RickG  wrote:

> Faisal. The RDP ID is kywifi PW=kywifi859
> New Rocket Dish is 10.10.100.20
> ID=admin PW=1qazxsw2
> Let me know your thoughts.
> Thanks!
> -RickG
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>
>> I also have never tried to connect a netbook to the rocket usb
>>
>> hmmm what can u do with that ?
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, Fl 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>>
>>
>> On 8/5/2010 8:28 PM, RickG wrote:
>> > Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no
>> > tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet cable
>> > last night. No help.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:
>> >
>> >> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a
>> lot.
>> >> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB
>> extension
>> >> cable.
>> >>
>> >> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and
>> seeing
>> >> loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can you pull
>> a new
>> >> one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> >> Behalf Of RickG
>> >> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
>> >> To: WISPA General List
>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>> >>
>> >> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
>> >> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
>> >> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
>> >> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see
>> any
>> >>> loss?
>> >>>
>> >>> There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular
>> >>>
>> >> radio
>> >>
>> >>> scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?
>> >>>
>> >>> Friendly Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> Mike
>> >>>
>> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[RickG]

Faisal. The RDP ID is kywifi PW=kywifi859
New Rocket Dish is 10.10.100.20
ID=admin PW=1qazxsw2
Let me know your thoughts.
Thanks!
-RickG

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> I also have never tried to connect a netbook to the rocket usb
>
> hmmm what can u do with that ?
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, Fl 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>
>
> On 8/5/2010 8:28 PM, RickG wrote:
> > Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no
> > tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet cable
> > last night. No help.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:
> >
> >> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a
> lot.
> >> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB
> extension
> >> cable.
> >>
> >> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and seeing
> >> loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can you pull a
> new
> >> one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of RickG
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
> >>
> >> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
> >> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
> >> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
> >> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see
> any
> >>> loss?
> >>>
> >>> There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular
> >>>
> >> radio
> >>
> >>> scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?
> >>>
> >>> Friendly Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Lightning AGAIN

[Jeremie Chism]

I have two giant apc's and don't see a problem there.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 6, 2010, at 4:37 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

> Could have come in thru the AC power.  I have seen selective failures 
> following lightning hits on the service feeds. Just FYI
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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> -Original Message-
> From: Jeremie Chism 
> Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:16:38
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightning AGAIN
>
> Good idea. I had Ethernet surge protectors but it must have jumped them.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Aug 6, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Fred Goldstein  wrote:
>
>> At 8/6/2010 04:38 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>>> For the second week in a row lightning has got me. This time it was my
>>> main tower taking out my core cisco router, switch, AP. My luck is
>>> great. Maybe it's time to look at something besides cisco.
>>
>> Hmmm, I'm sensing a product opportunity here.  Cisco routers are
>> expensive.  So rather than let anything conductive touch them (other
>> than the power feed, which presumably has its own protectors), use a
>> jumper of all-dielectric fiber to isolate them from anything that
>> goes near the outside.  Sort of an air gap, but made of glass...
>>
>>
>> --
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>> ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
>> +1 617 795 2701
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Re: [WISPA] Lightning AGAIN

[Dennis Burgess]

RouterBoards are cheap, a 9 port 10/100 box that can do about 50 meg
runs 212 bucks!  289 if you want rack mount.  www.wlan1.com is a good
place to get units.

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Lightning AGAIN

For the second week in a row lightning has got me. This time it was my
main tower taking out my core cisco router, switch, AP. My luck is
great. Maybe it's time to look at something besides cisco.

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Re: [WISPA] Costs

[Matt]

> Ok, I hope this is allowable.
>
> I have been asked by a friend - not even close to the WISP
> or tower industry, to provide a basic value to some equipment.
>
> Most of this is in use now, and I have no more info that
> what I will list.  Best guess is all I can ask for.  If it DOES go
> for sale, I will make sure it goes to this list first.
>
> Motorola access points
> Standard 5.8 Ghz (40?)
> Advantage 900 (5?)
> Advantage 5.8 (10?)
>
>
> 5 Motorola Backhaul
> 10 Trango backhaul
> 26 Soloteck backhaul
> 12 EXP backhauls
>
> 30 servers, consisting of
> mail, DNS, Billing, web, LAN, telephone, etc.  No idea on
> what kind of software, etc.
>
> 3000 Motorola SM subscriber units, 5.8, 5.2, and 900.
> 2000 Trango 5.8

Hmm, are truck rolls required to pull sm's?  Could really hurt value.

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Re: [WISPA] Lightning AGAIN

[lakeland]

Could have come in thru the AC power.  I have seen selective failures following 
lightning hits on the service feeds. Just FYI
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Jeremie Chism 
Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:16:38 
To: WISPA General List
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightning AGAIN

Good idea. I had Ethernet surge protectors but it must have jumped them.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 6, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Fred Goldstein  wrote:

> At 8/6/2010 04:38 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> For the second week in a row lightning has got me. This time it was my
>> main tower taking out my core cisco router, switch, AP. My luck is
>> great. Maybe it's time to look at something besides cisco.
>
> Hmmm, I'm sensing a product opportunity here.  Cisco routers are
> expensive.  So rather than let anything conductive touch them (other
> than the power feed, which presumably has its own protectors), use a
> jumper of all-dielectric fiber to isolate them from anything that
> goes near the outside.  Sort of an air gap, but made of glass...
>
>
>  --
>  Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
>  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

[Philip Dorr]

It is ran up the side of the tower and cable tied about every five
feet or less. On the bottom end of the cable we have a PolyPhaser
PLDO-20US20A to protect the equipment at the bottom from lightning
strikes. I do not know exactly what guage/brand/type of wire, but it
has "3125 07:08 ROHS" printed on it and then a number of feet and is
able to be directly buried.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 4:28 PM,   wrote:
> How do you run the 110 up the tower?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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>
> We would use fiber+120VAC
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jason Hensley  wrote:
>> Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
>> than that on a tower and looking for solid recommendations.
>>
>> Thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

[lakeland]

How do you run the 110 up the tower?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:55:04 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

We would use fiber+120VAC

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[WISPA] Costs

[Blake Bowers]

Ok, I hope this is allowable.

I have been asked by a friend - not even close to the WISP
or tower industry, to provide a basic value to some equipment.

Most of this is in use now, and I have no more info that
what I will list.  Best guess is all I can ask for.  If it DOES go
for sale, I will make sure it goes to this list first.

Motorola access points
Standard 5.8 Ghz (40?)
Advantage 900 (5?)
Advantage 5.8 (10?)


5 Motorola Backhaul
10 Trango backhaul
26 Soloteck backhaul
12 EXP backhauls

30 servers, consisting of 
mail, DNS, Billing, web, LAN, telephone, etc.  No idea on
what kind of software, etc.

3000 Motorola SM subscriber units, 5.8, 5.2, and 900.
2000 Trango 5.8








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Re: [WISPA] Lightning AGAIN

[Jeremie Chism]

Good idea. I had Ethernet surge protectors but it must have jumped them.

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On Aug 6, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Fred Goldstein  wrote:

> At 8/6/2010 04:38 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> For the second week in a row lightning has got me. This time it was my
>> main tower taking out my core cisco router, switch, AP. My luck is
>> great. Maybe it's time to look at something besides cisco.
>
> Hmmm, I'm sensing a product opportunity here.  Cisco routers are
> expensive.  So rather than let anything conductive touch them (other
> than the power feed, which presumably has its own protectors), use a
> jumper of all-dielectric fiber to isolate them from anything that
> goes near the outside.  Sort of an air gap, but made of glass...
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Re: [WISPA] Lightning AGAIN

[Fred Goldstein]

At 8/6/2010 04:38 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>For the second week in a row lightning has got me. This time it was my
>main tower taking out my core cisco router, switch, AP. My luck is
>great. Maybe it's time to look at something besides cisco.

Hmmm, I'm sensing a product opportunity here.  Cisco routers are 
expensive.  So rather than let anything conductive touch them (other 
than the power feed, which presumably has its own protectors), use a 
jumper of all-dielectric fiber to isolate them from anything that 
goes near the outside.  Sort of an air gap, but made of glass...


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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

[Philip Dorr]

We would use fiber+120VAC

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> Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
> than that on a tower and looking for solid recommendations.
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Re: [WISPA] Stuff for Sale, Trango, Fiber, etc

[Ross Feezer]

I have 87 schools in the Dominican Republic that I would like to provide 
internet service to.  I am just getting organized and do not have a backhaul 
yet but I will be in the market for used equipment in the future; especially 
old CPEs and APs.  I would be wiling to bid on some equipment if you want to 
sell it through E-bay; just give me a heads-up.

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Subject: [WISPA] Stuff for Sale, Trango, Fiber, etc

I have: (I will take care of shipping expenses within US)

(1) Trango P5055M-EXT-US - Working pull this week - Would like to see $450

(1) Set of Adtran Opti-3 Fiber DS3 Multiplexer. Deliver three DS3 from a 
signle OC-3 Feed. 
http://www.adtran.com/web/page/portal/Adtran/product/1184003L1/270 - 
Would like to see $600 or best offer for them.

(1) Versa Tek VX-EP3108 GePON head end for 126 client card. Includes 1 CPE
http://www.versatek.com/products/vxep3108.htm
$500 takes it paid over $3000 for it last fall.





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Re: [WISPA] Lightning AGAIN

[Glenn Kelley]

For the router ... I can suggest a quick solution, 

PFSENSE  - or Vyatta. 

Best part - both are 100% FREE 

Replacing a computer much of the time is much cheaper than a router... 
AND - these do a much better job for sure. 



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> For the second week in a row lightning has got me. This time it was my
> main tower taking out my core cisco router, switch, AP. My luck is
> great. Maybe it's time to look at something besides cisco.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

[lakeland]

What is "higher"?  How high?
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:32:06 
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Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
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[WISPA] Lightning AGAIN

[Jeremie Chism]

For the second week in a row lightning has got me. This time it was my
main tower taking out my core cisco router, switch, AP. My luck is
great. Maybe it's time to look at something besides cisco.

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[WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

[Jason Hensley]

Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
than that on a tower and looking for solid recommendations. 

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Re: [WISPA] Strange problem

[Stuart Pierce]

Sure they weren't 169.254.whatever,whatever ?

-- Original Message --
From: richard sterne 
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Date:  Fri, 6 Aug 2010 18:18:01 +0100

>They are not like any of my address ranges from what I remember is
>that they were 192.254.?.? each time.
>
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Re: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio

[Stuart Pierce]

Especially the TR-CPE-200's

-- Original Message --
From: "Terry Hickey" 
Reply-To: Terry Hickey ,WISPA General List 

Date:  Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:56:52 -0600

>I have had Tranzeo radios go fubar so they only will connect if the 
>connecting computer/nic is set at 10 Mb
>
>Terry
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:27 AM
>Subject: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio
>
>
>> OK, here's a good one.
>>
>> Have a long term customer that can't get internet all of the sudden.
>>
>> Shows no cable plugged into his computer.
>>
>> Had him try a laptop, it worked fine.
>>
>> Next had him take his computer to a repair shop for a new nic card.  His
>> computer DID work in town though.
>>
>> Back home, it wouldn't work with the radio.
>>
>> So I went out there to check this out.  My laptop would work just fine. 
>> His
>> desktop wouldn't.
>>
>> I ended up installing a router and all is working nicely now.  His 
>> computer
>> will talk to the router, but going right to the radio we show no cable
>> connected.
>>
>> Anyone seen this before?
>>
>> I assume this is being caused by some kind of voltage miss match that the
>> other devices aren't as sensitive to?
>>
>> shrug
>> marlon
>>
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Re: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio

[Stuart Pierce]

Network card ready to bite the dust.

-- Original Message --
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:27:01 -0700

>OK, here's a good one.
>
>Have a long term customer that can't get internet all of the sudden.
>
>Shows no cable plugged into his computer.
>
>Had him try a laptop, it worked fine.
>
>Next had him take his computer to a repair shop for a new nic card.  His 
>computer DID work in town though.
>
>Back home, it wouldn't work with the radio.
>
>So I went out there to check this out.  My laptop would work just fine.  His 
>desktop wouldn't.
>
>I ended up installing a router and all is working nicely now.  His computer 
>will talk to the router, but going right to the radio we show no cable 
>connected.
>
>Anyone seen this before?
>
>I assume this is being caused by some kind of voltage miss match that the 
>other devices aren't as sensitive to?
>
>shrug
>marlon
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[WISPA] Stuff for Sale, Trango, Fiber, etc

[Cameron Kilton]

I have: (I will take care of shipping expenses within US)

(1) Trango P5055M-EXT-US - Working pull this week - Would like to see $450

(1) Set of Adtran Opti-3 Fiber DS3 Multiplexer. Deliver three DS3 from a 
signle OC-3 Feed. 
http://www.adtran.com/web/page/portal/Adtran/product/1184003L1/270 - 
Would like to see $600 or best offer for them.

(1) Versa Tek VX-EP3108 GePON head end for 126 client card. Includes 1 CPE
http://www.versatek.com/products/vxep3108.htm
$500 takes it paid over $3000 for it last fall.





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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Mark Nash - Lists]

How about insufficient power to the radio?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 11:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance


  Is one end lower than the other?  If so, there could be a duct that is 
steering the signal or reflecting it away from the intended path. Generally 
though, that would be reciprocal, but not always. I had a tropospheric event 
this morning.  Such events are way beyond the statistical norm for my area 
already this year.

   

  Friendly Regards,

   

  Mike

   


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  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of RickG
  Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:12 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

   

  Weather has been hot & humid. You think I can get better info with an 
analyzer than the built in Ubiquiti? 

  On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Mike  wrote:

  In my mind, you have eliminated mechanical and radio things.  I take your
  alignment is right.  I would at this point suspect interference.  What has
  your weather been like?  I have seen episodes of tropospheric ducting do
  that.  I had episodes earlier this summer where I had several days of some
  serious ducting events.  It's usually when a cooler layer of stale air is
  trapped by warmer upper air.  Can you get your hands on an analyzer?

  Like I said, the Metageek WiSpy and software is a great little tool for the
  money.  It runs great on my netbook.  If I had a 5.8 version I'd overnight
  it to you.

  Friendly Regards,

  Mike



  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of RickG

  Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:17 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

  No transmitters that I know of. There is a WISP with Canopy in the
  next town over but its at least 5 miles away. My magic wand broke too.
  Thanks!

  On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Mike  wrote:
  > The USB extension would be for the WiSpy device you'd hook to the antenna.
  > That way you have plenty of cable and don't have to assume a difficult
  > position.  I have the 2.4G version of the WiSpy but not the 5.8.  It can
  > tell you a lot for a simple device.
  >
  > Is there any sort of nearby transmitter where they might have turned up
  the
  > power?
  >
  > Did someone deploy Canopy close to you?
  >
  > I'd loan you my magic wand, but mine broke.
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  > Behalf Of RickG
  > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:29 PM
  > To: WISPA General List
  > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
  >
  > Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no
  > tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet cable
  > last night. No help.
  >
  > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:
  >> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a
  > lot.
  >> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB
  > extension
  >> cable.
  >>
  >> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and seeing
  >> loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can you pull a
  > new
  >> one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
  >>
  >>
  >> -Original Message-
  >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  >> Behalf Of RickG
  >> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
  >> To: WISPA General List
  >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
  >>
  >> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
  >> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
  >> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
  >> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.
  >>
  >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
  >>> Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see any
  >>> loss?
  >>>
  >>> There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular
  >> radio
  >>> scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?
  >>>
  >>> Friendly Regards,
  >>>
  >>> Mike
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Mike]

Is one end lower than the other?  If so, there could be a duct that is
steering the signal or reflecting it away from the intended path. Generally
though, that would be reciprocal, but not always. I had a tropospheric event
this morning.  Such events are way beyond the statistical norm for my area
already this year.

 

Friendly Regards,

 

Mike

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

 

Weather has been hot & humid. You think I can get better info with an
analyzer than the built in Ubiquiti? 

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Mike  wrote:

In my mind, you have eliminated mechanical and radio things.  I take your
alignment is right.  I would at this point suspect interference.  What has
your weather been like?  I have seen episodes of tropospheric ducting do
that.  I had episodes earlier this summer where I had several days of some
serious ducting events.  It's usually when a cooler layer of stale air is
trapped by warmer upper air.  Can you get your hands on an analyzer?

Like I said, the Metageek WiSpy and software is a great little tool for the
money.  It runs great on my netbook.  If I had a 5.8 version I'd overnight
it to you.

Friendly Regards,

Mike



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG

Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

No transmitters that I know of. There is a WISP with Canopy in the
next town over but its at least 5 miles away. My magic wand broke too.
Thanks!

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Mike  wrote:
> The USB extension would be for the WiSpy device you'd hook to the antenna.
> That way you have plenty of cable and don't have to assume a difficult
> position.  I have the 2.4G version of the WiSpy but not the 5.8.  It can
> tell you a lot for a simple device.
>
> Is there any sort of nearby transmitter where they might have turned up
the
> power?
>
> Did someone deploy Canopy close to you?
>
> I'd loan you my magic wand, but mine broke.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:29 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>
> Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no
> tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet cable
> last night. No help.
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:
>> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a
> lot.
>> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB
> extension
>> cable.
>>
>> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and seeing
>> loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can you pull a
> new
>> one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>>
>> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
>> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
>> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
>> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>> Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see any
>>> loss?
>>>
>>> There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular
>> radio
>>> scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?
>>>
>>> Friendly Regards,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Mike]

Read my lips: "heck yes!!!"

  _  

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Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

 

Weather has been hot & humid. You think I can get better info with an
analyzer than the built in Ubiquiti? 

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Mike  wrote:

In my mind, you have eliminated mechanical and radio things.  I take your
alignment is right.  I would at this point suspect interference.  What has
your weather been like?  I have seen episodes of tropospheric ducting do
that.  I had episodes earlier this summer where I had several days of some
serious ducting events.  It's usually when a cooler layer of stale air is
trapped by warmer upper air.  Can you get your hands on an analyzer?

Like I said, the Metageek WiSpy and software is a great little tool for the
money.  It runs great on my netbook.  If I had a 5.8 version I'd overnight
it to you.

Friendly Regards,

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Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:17 AM
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No transmitters that I know of. There is a WISP with Canopy in the
next town over but its at least 5 miles away. My magic wand broke too.
Thanks!

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Mike  wrote:
> The USB extension would be for the WiSpy device you'd hook to the antenna.
> That way you have plenty of cable and don't have to assume a difficult
> position.  I have the 2.4G version of the WiSpy but not the 5.8.  It can
> tell you a lot for a simple device.
>
> Is there any sort of nearby transmitter where they might have turned up
the
> power?
>
> Did someone deploy Canopy close to you?
>
> I'd loan you my magic wand, but mine broke.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:29 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>
> Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no
> tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet cable
> last night. No help.
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:
>> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a
> lot.
>> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB
> extension
>> cable.
>>
>> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and seeing
>> loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can you pull a
> new
>> one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>>
>> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
>> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
>> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
>> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>> Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see any
>>> loss?
>>>
>>> There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular
>> radio
>>> scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?
>>>
>>> Friendly Regards,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Strange problem

[Mike]

Aren't those just default Windows IP addresses?  It looks like the DHCP code
is not working, and they aren't really getting an IP address.

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 

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They are not like any of my address ranges from what I remember is
that they were 192.254.?.? each time.

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[RickG]

Weather has been hot & humid. You think I can get better info with an
analyzer than the built in Ubiquiti?

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Mike  wrote:

> In my mind, you have eliminated mechanical and radio things.  I take your
> alignment is right.  I would at this point suspect interference.  What has
> your weather been like?  I have seen episodes of tropospheric ducting do
> that.  I had episodes earlier this summer where I had several days of some
> serious ducting events.  It's usually when a cooler layer of stale air is
> trapped by warmer upper air.  Can you get your hands on an analyzer?
>
> Like I said, the Metageek WiSpy and software is a great little tool for the
> money.  It runs great on my netbook.  If I had a 5.8 version I'd overnight
> it to you.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:17 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>
> No transmitters that I know of. There is a WISP with Canopy in the
> next town over but its at least 5 miles away. My magic wand broke too.
> Thanks!
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Mike  wrote:
> > The USB extension would be for the WiSpy device you'd hook to the
> antenna.
> > That way you have plenty of cable and don't have to assume a difficult
> > position.  I have the 2.4G version of the WiSpy but not the 5.8.  It can
> > tell you a lot for a simple device.
> >
> > Is there any sort of nearby transmitter where they might have turned up
> the
> > power?
> >
> > Did someone deploy Canopy close to you?
> >
> > I'd loan you my magic wand, but mine broke.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of RickG
> > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:29 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
> >
> > Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no
> > tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet cable
> > last night. No help.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:
> >> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a
> > lot.
> >> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB
> > extension
> >> cable.
> >>
> >> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and seeing
> >> loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can you pull a
> > new
> >> one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of RickG
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
> >>
> >> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
> >> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
> >> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
> >> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
> >>> Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see
> any
> >>> loss?
> >>>
> >>> There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular
> >> radio
> >>> scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?
> >>>
> >>> Friendly Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[RickG]

Nope. Crawling as it has been since Tuesday afternoon. 6.5Mbps tx is
slw. Got some sleep so going back now. Any & all ideas are welcome!

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Stuart Pierce  wrote:

> But is it working now ?
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: RickG 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Fri, 6 Aug 2010 07:39:06 -0400
>
> >Well, Faisal was kind enough to log into the AP (Rocket5 w/5G-20 sector)
> >while I climbed up to align it. He said chain 0 & 1 were unbalanced. So, I
> >changed out the radio, antenna, cables. Balance issue fixed but throughput
> >to problem tower still bad. So, I went back to the problem tower and
> worked
> >on it all night. I climbed so many times I lost count. I'm almost out of
> >ideas. I did some spectrum analysis on a BM5 and a NanoBridge. I have
> >attached an AP screen capture, a map of the tower link and ping scans of
> the
> >2 stations (one works well, the other does not) same AP, different
> >locations.
> >
> >BTW: BIG THANKS to Faisal. He worked with me until 2:30am! He would've
> gone
> >longer but I think he fell asleep while I was driving to the bad tower. I
> >going to get some shut eye myself now.
> >
> >On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:48 AM, MDK  wrote:
> >> I've had several UBNT devices lose output power suddenly. Then one
> >side
> >> of the link is about 18-20 db lower than the other, and the throughput
> >goes
> >> away, badly.
> >>
> >> Do you have a large RXSL differences between sides on any link?
> >>
> >> ++
> >> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
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> >> --
> >> From: "RickG" 
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:01 PM
> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
> >>
> >>> Here is a good one!
> >>>
> >>> I have a short "link" of about 3 miles from my main tower to another.
> >>> On the main tower I have four UBNT 5G-20-90's with RockeyM5's running
> >>> firmware 5.2. All have performed very well since I installed them
> >>> earlier this year. On the other end at the problem tower I have a 26Db
> >>> grid with a BulletM5 also running fw5.2. The link was doing well until
> >>> two days ago. Then, the latency went through the roof. I assumed it
> >>> was the radio but after switching it out twice, I decided to blame the
> >>> antenna. So, I swapped out the grids multiple times. Then decided to
> >>> try a Nanostation, and a Nanobridge but got worse results. I'd blame
> >>> the sector on the main tower but another link on it remains working
> >>> well. There is a topology difference between the working link and the
> >>> poor link with the later being higher. There is some noise in the area
> >>> but not unusual. What I do note is that the main tower does not "see"
> >>> the far end very well (-78) and it should really be much higher. The
> >>> receive rate is only 6.5Mbps.
> >>>
> >>> At any rate, I've got about 3 dozen subs on this tower and worked on
> >>> it until 5am so I'm ready for some fresh input!
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance!
> >>> -RickG
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Strange problem

[richard sterne]

That could be it. I will load the service pack next time it happens

Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Strange problem

[John Vogel]

Could it be related to this?
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928233

John

richard sterne wrote:
> Older versions of Windows work fine.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Strange problem

[richard sterne]

Older versions of Windows work fine.

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Re: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio

[Mike]

Marlon:

When I can send a tidbit to a god I feel privileged.

When I see that stuff, it usually means the tcpip stacks are corrupted.  I
keep this file in a text file on my service laptop and use accordingly.  The
text of the file follows:





TCP/IP stack repair options for use with Windows XP with SP2.

For these commands, Start, Run, CMD to open a command prompt.

Reset WINSOCK entries to installation defaults: netsh winsock reset catalog

Reset TCP/IP stack to installation defaults. netsh int ip reset reset.log 




Follow these steps to reset the Internet Explorer configuration settings: 

1.Open Internet Explorer, click Tools, and then click Internet Options. 
2.Click the Advanced tab, and then click Reset. 
3.In the Internet Explorer Default Settings dialog box, click Reset. 
4.When you have reset the settings, click Close, and then click OK to
restart Internet Explorer.
In Internet Explorer, you do not usually have to reregister Internet
Explorer files. The Reset All Defaults feature includes an option to
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Re: [WISPA] Strange problem

[Josh Luthman]

Are you certain they were obtained via DHCP?  There very well could be
a rogue DHCP server.  If this a MT DHCP server you can go into alerts
and see if another one is answering DHCP queries.

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Re: [WISPA] Strange problem

[richard sterne]

They are not like any of my address ranges from what I remember is
that they were 192.254.?.? each time.

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Re: [WISPA] Strange problem

[Josh Luthman]

What makes them weird?  What's the problem?

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Re: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio

[Mark Nash - Lists]

Crossover issue?  We had a new installer come across this the other day.

- Original Message - 
From: "Terry Hickey" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio


>I have had Tranzeo radios go fubar so they only will connect if the
> connecting computer/nic is set at 10 Mb
>
> Terry
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:27 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio
>
>
>> OK, here's a good one.
>>
>> Have a long term customer that can't get internet all of the sudden.
>>
>> Shows no cable plugged into his computer.
>>
>> Had him try a laptop, it worked fine.
>>
>> Next had him take his computer to a repair shop for a new nic card.  His
>> computer DID work in town though.
>>
>> Back home, it wouldn't work with the radio.
>>
>> So I went out there to check this out.  My laptop would work just fine.
>> His
>> desktop wouldn't.
>>
>> I ended up installing a router and all is working nicely now.  His
>> computer
>> will talk to the router, but going right to the radio we show no cable
>> connected.
>>
>> Anyone seen this before?
>>
>> I assume this is being caused by some kind of voltage miss match that the
>> other devices aren't as sensitive to?
>>
>> shrug
>> marlon
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Re: [WISPA] Strange problem

[richard sterne]

IPv4 but will check.

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[WISPA] Solar Flare Problems

[~NGL~]

Anyone having problems related to solar flares that have reported on the 
news?
Are there any expected?
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Re: [WISPA] Strange problem

[Josh Luthman]

Are they just IPv6 addresses?

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> I have a AP in a bar for customer access. when Vista and windows 7
> users try to use it they get strange IP addresses. The only way to use
> it is to put in a static address. This is the only box on my network
> that issues DHCP. Anyone any thoughts?
>
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Re: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio

[Terry Hickey]

I have had Tranzeo radios go fubar so they only will connect if the 
connecting computer/nic is set at 10 Mb

Terry

- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:27 AM
Subject: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio


> OK, here's a good one.
>
> Have a long term customer that can't get internet all of the sudden.
>
> Shows no cable plugged into his computer.
>
> Had him try a laptop, it worked fine.
>
> Next had him take his computer to a repair shop for a new nic card.  His
> computer DID work in town though.
>
> Back home, it wouldn't work with the radio.
>
> So I went out there to check this out.  My laptop would work just fine. 
> His
> desktop wouldn't.
>
> I ended up installing a router and all is working nicely now.  His 
> computer
> will talk to the router, but going right to the radio we show no cable
> connected.
>
> Anyone seen this before?
>
> I assume this is being caused by some kind of voltage miss match that the
> other devices aren't as sensitive to?
>
> shrug
> marlon
>
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[WISPA] Strange problem

[richard sterne]

I have a AP in a bar for customer access. when Vista and windows 7
users try to use it they get strange IP addresses. The only way to use
it is to put in a static address. This is the only box on my network
that issues DHCP. Anyone any thoughts?

Richard



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Re: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio

[Mathew Howard]

I've seen this happen a few times... it's usually easiest to just put a
switch or router in.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 11:27 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio

OK, here's a good one.

Have a long term customer that can't get internet all of the sudden.

Shows no cable plugged into his computer.

Had him try a laptop, it worked fine.

Next had him take his computer to a repair shop for a new nic card.  His
computer DID work in town though.

Back home, it wouldn't work with the radio.

So I went out there to check this out.  My laptop would work just fine.
His desktop wouldn't.

I ended up installing a router and all is working nicely now.  His
computer will talk to the router, but going right to the radio we show
no cable connected.

Anyone seen this before?

I assume this is being caused by some kind of voltage miss match that
the other devices aren't as sensitive to?

shrug
marlon





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Re: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio

[Jerry Richardson]

Computer probably got an pdate for the NIC that tweaked the driver.

Do your radios have Ethernet statistics? You could connect the PC back to the 
radio and watch the stats to see if the Ethernet Interface is flapping. Then 
force the radio to 10HDX and see if the flapping stops.

- Jerry


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Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 9:27 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio

OK, here's a good one.

Have a long term customer that can't get internet all of the sudden.

Shows no cable plugged into his computer.

Had him try a laptop, it worked fine.

Next had him take his computer to a repair shop for a new nic card.  His 
computer DID work in town though.

Back home, it wouldn't work with the radio.

So I went out there to check this out.  My laptop would work just fine.  His 
desktop wouldn't.

I ended up installing a router and all is working nicely now.  His computer 
will talk to the router, but going right to the radio we show no cable 
connected.

Anyone seen this before?

I assume this is being caused by some kind of voltage miss match that the 
other devices aren't as sensitive to?

shrug
marlon




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Re: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Yeah, tried that too.  It was working, then lightning storm and no worky. 
Something got messed up in a very strange way.
marlon

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Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio


> Is the network card set to auto neg? I have had issues with this. Set
> to a rate of 10 or 100 problem gone.
>
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Re: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio

[Aaron D. Osgood]

Bad cable?
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-Original Message-
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:27:01 
To: WISPA General List
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio

OK, here's a good one.

Have a long term customer that can't get internet all of the sudden.

Shows no cable plugged into his computer.

Had him try a laptop, it worked fine.

Next had him take his computer to a repair shop for a new nic card.  His 
computer DID work in town though.

Back home, it wouldn't work with the radio.

So I went out there to check this out.  My laptop would work just fine.  His 
desktop wouldn't.

I ended up installing a router and all is working nicely now.  His computer 
will talk to the router, but going right to the radio we show no cable 
connected.

Anyone seen this before?

I assume this is being caused by some kind of voltage miss match that the 
other devices aren't as sensitive to?

shrug
marlon




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Re: [WISPA] computer won't connect to radio

[richard sterne]

Is the network card set to auto neg? I have had issues with this. Set
to a rate of 10 or 100 problem gone.

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[WISPA] computer won't connect to radio

[Marlon K. Schafer]

OK, here's a good one.

Have a long term customer that can't get internet all of the sudden.

Shows no cable plugged into his computer.

Had him try a laptop, it worked fine.

Next had him take his computer to a repair shop for a new nic card.  His 
computer DID work in town though.

Back home, it wouldn't work with the radio.

So I went out there to check this out.  My laptop would work just fine.  His 
desktop wouldn't.

I ended up installing a router and all is working nicely now.  His computer 
will talk to the router, but going right to the radio we show no cable 
connected.

Anyone seen this before?

I assume this is being caused by some kind of voltage miss match that the 
other devices aren't as sensitive to?

shrug
marlon




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Re: [WISPA] Multiple sectors, one frequency?

[Fred Goldstein]

At 8/6/2010 02:03 AM, Bob West wrote:
>SR71 needs to die.  The other UBNT cards ROCK and blow those MT cards away.
>Sorry MT.  I spent much cash or moolah, (Depends on your choice of
>vernacular)  on your cards  They have all ended up in tech laptops or
>installed as wireless tech access points.  No more MT cards as AP or CPE's.

a) Yes, I like your jokes, at least on occasion, which is probably 
more than average.

b) I'm in the planning stages now, doing the P&L sheets, frequency 
maps, equipment choices, etc.  The SR71-15 and the R52Hn are the two 
802.11n 5GHz high power mPCI cards that I can think of, and only the 
latter fully works with RouterOS at present. Is there another MOMO 
card that you can recommend for building the multi-hop backbone? The 
Rocket external radios make more sense for access than the backbone.

I suppose I can use Rockets for a couple of critical high-capacity 
links and use XR5s in 11a mode for everything else that doesn't need 
the speed... Thanks!


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>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
>Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:25 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple sectors, one frequency?
>
>At 8/5/2010 01:01 AM, Robert West wrote:
> >Yeah, the R52Hn does but the sensitivity sucks compared to the UBNT radio.
> >I use the MT cards only for close range  now, seemed great at first but
> >I was having g issues after a while.  My MT boards with UBNT cards,
> >however, run seemingly forever with no issues.  I have 2 433 boards
> >with XR2 cards that haven't rebooted for over a YEAR!
>
>I wish these guys would cooperate more on drivers.  I have a site (the
>injection point) where I really want to blast a couple of 80 Mbps links out
>of a Routerboard 800, so it has to be MIMO.  The R52Hn boards have roughly
>the same sensitivity specs "on paper" (on PDF?) as the UBNT SR71-15s, and
>are supported in RouterOS, but I am *not* surprised that a pricier UBNT
>board, with more shielding and heat sinks, and perhaps a better front-end
>transistor under that shield, works better in practice.  The money is all in
>the noise for this application (backhaul), but the SR71 family doesn't seem
>to fully work in RouterOS.  Grumble grumble...
>
> >But back to the issue, if you MUST run the same frequency, you MUST
> >wrap your sectors in some shielding in order to isolate the RF from the
> >other radios.
> >
> >A guy in the UBNT forums has such a thing.  rfar...@hydrosoft.net
> >Shoot him an email.  He says it makes the other sectors invisible.
>
>I suppose I shouldn't be surprised... it's plastic!  A little metal goes a
>long way.

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Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

[Robert West]

Our TOS states if they want to run servers then they need a dedicated line.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 11:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

 

Because no one actually pays for what the bandwidth actually costs.

 

No one out here would even consider paying the $250 per meg that I pay for
bandwidth.

 

So, I need to keep the right to refuse certain activities in order to have a
system that is both affordable to the masses and performs well.

marlon

 

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From: Jack Unger   

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:24 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

 

Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if you
limited their throughput to the Terms and Conditions of their contract where
you would specify the amount of bandwidth that you were supplying them and
limiting them to? 


Fred Goldstein wrote: 

At 8/3/2010 04:58 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:



That's what I don't understand...  some people are so for Net Neutrality,
but every unhappy incumbent customer is a potential sale.


I've long opposed "network neutrality" rules on grounds that it could put
most WISPs out of business.  You'd be forced to live by the same rules that
the urban ILECs and CATVs do, even though your cost of both last-mile
capacity and middle mile (if rural) is much higher. Thus you'd be required
to allow customers to install file servers at their subscriber locations,
even though it's much cheaper (overall) to have them at a fiber backbone
site.  Recall that Vuze, who made the big stink, is a pR0n distributor using
subscriber-site file servers and home-user computers to undercut other CDNs
on price.  

I think Verizon actually favors such rules, on grounds that FiOS is hurt
less than most others, including cable, and they'd be happy to see WISPs go
away.  (When I see them opposing it, I think of Bre'r Rabbit and the brier
patch.)




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Re: [WISPA] Black Paint on Omni Antenna

[Mike]

Whenever I use any item on what will become a radome, or paint for a radome,
I test it in the microwave like my last post.  If the microwave makes it
hot, it is absorbing RF.  Before I covered an omni with a piece of plastic
pipe, I would put a small piece in the microwave for 10 seconds and see if
it gets hot.

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:47 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Black Paint on Omni Antenna

there is probably Aluminum Oxide.

I have heard you can slip a piece of Schedule 5 black PVC over an Omni for 0
loss.

- Jerry


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Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:16 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Black Paint on Omni Antenna

I took some cheap black enamel spray paint and sprayed down an omni
antenna.  Thought was to perhaps keep ice off it in winter etc.
Clients all seem to drop by about 5db.  Is that normal?

Matt




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Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

[Marlon K. Schafer]

This doesn't quite play out in the real world Jack.

We might sell people 1/512k.  But we do this knowing that *most* of the time 
they won't be anywhere near that.

Think about it like this.  A "b" radio (works better at distance and in noise 
so I don't often get to use "g" mode) can realistically deliver 4ish megs to 
the end user.  That's total at any given moment.  4 down or 4 up, not a 
combined 8 megs.

So, with, say 2 megs available for upstream connectivity on an ongoing basis, 
all it takes to kill an ap is 4 users filling up the upstream connection.  Even 
if we throttle them to the 512k that we've said they can have.

It takes a *least* ten subs on an AP for us to turn a profit.  Most of the time 
I try to put 30 to 50 users on an ap.  Setting bandwidth limits on them does 
not help matters one little bit if even a small percentage of the customers run 
constant usage in either direction.  TCP/IP just doesn't work well for 
streaming traffic.  Our radios also just don't have the capacity to pull that 
off either.

As bad as we've got it I can't imagine what the telco engineers are having to 
deal with.  Yeah, they own the copper, but there's cross talk there too.  Gonna 
be interesting over the next 3 to 5 years as more and more people want 
streaming video content via the web.

I guess on the up side, in time (5, 10, 20 years???) that whole triple play 
thing will turn out to have been one big joke.  People will just buy the pipe 
and will put whatever they want on it.  They'll do their own phone, for free or 
close to free.  They'll watch TV when it works for them, on the net, not via 
cable fiber or anything else specific to video content as we think of it today.

Who knows, ESPN may even get a competitor or three and without the franchise 
agreements with the cable companies they'll have a lot less power.  (No one 
really thinks the ESPN360 issue is about something other than what content 
reality will be in 10 years do you)

laters,
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jack Unger 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 6:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...


  Fred, 

  Many WISPs throttle throughput according to the terms of the contracted 
service that each customer purchases. For example, if a WISP sells 1 Mb down 
and 512k up then they limit throughput to somewhere near those levels. Under 
those conditions, a customer can have a file or web server and it does not 
adversely affect the overall WISP network performance. This level of throughput 
management should come under the "reasonable network management" definition 
that service providers are allowed to perform. This throttling is also 
application-independent so no selective throttling by application is needed. 
Finally, the throttling is implemented in routing tables full time and once 
programmed, it requires no human interaction. 


  Fred Goldstein wrote: 
At 8/3/2010 06:24 PM, Jack Unger wrote:

  Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if you 
limited their throughput to the Terms and Conditions of their contract where 
you would specify the amount of bandwidth that you were supplying them and 
limiting them to? 



You could limit throughput "neutrally", provided that it limited upstream 
file service and interactive applications like gaming and telephony equally.  
That's basically what Comcast consented to do.  However, those applications 
usually require a person to be there; content distribution runs 7x24.  Their 
ToS (I'm a customer) prohibited file and web servers; the FCC found that 
unreasonable.

I do believe that if someone had complained about such activities on 
Verizon's or ATT's part, the K-Mart FCC would have found it perfectly desirable.


  Fred Goldstein wrote: 

At 8/3/2010 04:58 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  That's what I don't understand...  some people are so for Net 
Neutrality, but every unhappy incumbent customer is a potential sale.

I've long opposed "network neutrality" rules on grounds that it could 
put most WISPs out of business.  You'd be forced to live by the same rules that 
the urban ILECs and CATVs do, even though your cost of both last-mile capacity 
and middle mile (if rural) is much higher. Thus you'd be required to allow 
customers to install file servers at their subscriber locations, even though 
it's much cheaper (overall) to have them at a fiber backbone site.  Recall that 
Vuze, who made the big stink, is a pR0n distributor using subscriber-site file 
servers and home-user computers to undercut other CDNs on price.  

I think Verizon actually favors such rules, on grounds that FiOS is 
hurt less than most others, including cable, and they'd be happy to see WISPs 
go away.  (When I see them opposing it, I think of Bre'r Rabbit and the brier 
patch.)

 --
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Re: [WISPA] Black Paint on Omni Antenna

[Jerry Richardson]

there is probably Aluminum Oxide.

I have heard you can slip a piece of Schedule 5 black PVC over an Omni for 0 
loss.

- Jerry


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Black Paint on Omni Antenna

I took some cheap black enamel spray paint and sprayed down an omni
antenna.  Thought was to perhaps keep ice off it in winter etc.
Clients all seem to drop by about 5db.  Is that normal?

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Rick,

Trying to reach you  pls call...
Thanks.

Faisal Imtiaz
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On 8/6/2010 7:17 AM, RickG wrote:
> No transmitters that I know of. There is a WISP with Canopy in the
> next town over but its at least 5 miles away. My magic wand broke too.
> Thanks!
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Mike  wrote:
>
>> The USB extension would be for the WiSpy device you'd hook to the antenna.
>> That way you have plenty of cable and don't have to assume a difficult
>> position.  I have the 2.4G version of the WiSpy but not the 5.8.  It can
>> tell you a lot for a simple device.
>>
>> Is there any sort of nearby transmitter where they might have turned up the
>> power?
>>
>> Did someone deploy Canopy close to you?
>>
>> I'd loan you my magic wand, but mine broke.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:29 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>>
>> Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no
>> tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet cable
>> last night. No help.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>  
>>> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a
>>>
>> lot.
>>  
>>> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB
>>>
>> extension
>>  
>>> cable.
>>>
>>> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and seeing
>>> loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can you pull a
>>>
>> new
>>  
>>> one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of RickG
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>>>
>>> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
>>> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
>>> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
>>> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>>
 Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see any
 loss?

 There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular
  
>>> radio
>>>
 scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?

 Friendly Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Because no one actually pays for what the bandwidth actually costs.

No one out here would even consider paying the $250 per meg that I pay for 
bandwidth.

So, I need to keep the right to refuse certain activities in order to have a 
system that is both affordable to the masses and performs well.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jack Unger 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...


  Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if you 
limited their throughput to the Terms and Conditions of their contract where 
you would specify the amount of bandwidth that you were supplying them and 
limiting them to? 


  Fred Goldstein wrote: 
At 8/3/2010 04:58 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  That's what I don't understand...  some people are so for Net Neutrality, 
but every unhappy incumbent customer is a potential sale.

I've long opposed "network neutrality" rules on grounds that it could put 
most WISPs out of business.  You'd be forced to live by the same rules that the 
urban ILECs and CATVs do, even though your cost of both last-mile capacity and 
middle mile (if rural) is much higher. Thus you'd be required to allow 
customers to install file servers at their subscriber locations, even though 
it's much cheaper (overall) to have them at a fiber backbone site.  Recall that 
Vuze, who made the big stink, is a pR0n distributor using subscriber-site file 
servers and home-user computers to undercut other CDNs on price.  

I think Verizon actually favors such rules, on grounds that FiOS is hurt 
less than most others, including cable, and they'd be happy to see WISPs go 
away.  (When I see them opposing it, I think of Bre'r Rabbit and the brier 
patch.)


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Re: [WISPA] Black Paint on Omni Antenna

[Mike]

Take a piece of plastic, water bottle or something.  Put it in the microwave
for a few seconds.  Is it hot?  If it is, find something else.  Take the
"not hot" item and spray some of the paint on it.  Let it dry!  Put it in
the microwave.  Did it get hot?  If so it has metal in it.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kevin Neal
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:20 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Black Paint on Omni Antenna

Is there any metallic components to that paint?  You can purchase
Omni's that are black from the factory.

-Kevin


On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Matt  wrote:
> I took some cheap black enamel spray paint and sprayed down an omni
> antenna.  Thought was to perhaps keep ice off it in winter etc.
> Clients all seem to drop by about 5db.  Is that normal?
>
> Matt
>
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Re: [WISPA] Black Paint on Omni Antenna

[Robert West]

You should only use that spray paint that is made for plastic.  It's
invisible to RF.  The others have mineral pigments in it.  Black is normally
iron oxide, I believe.  Which means, you stuck your antenna inside a metal
pipe.  :)

Bob-



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Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 11:16 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Black Paint on Omni Antenna

I took some cheap black enamel spray paint and sprayed down an omni
antenna.  Thought was to perhaps keep ice off it in winter etc.
Clients all seem to drop by about 5db.  Is that normal?

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Re: [WISPA] Black Paint on Omni Antenna

[Kevin Neal]

"black pigment is commonly made from carbon black"

>From the web, is it possible that the carbon black is causing this?
(I'm not an RF expert especially when it comes to paints

-Kevin


On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Matt  wrote:
>> Is there any metallic components to that paint?  You can purchase
>
> Not on label.  Said lead free but all paint is lead free now days.  It
> was dollar store spray paint for a dollar.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Roof Mounts

[Marlon K. Schafer]

We have a local welding shop custom build things like that for us.  They can 
bend fairly heavy gauge metal for me, then I weld it all up like I want it. 
I usually build them so that they can be bolted or pinned together up on the 
roof.
marlon

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To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:00 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Roof Mounts


>
>
> Does anyone know where I can find a non penetrating roof mount sizeable
> enough to hold a couple of 24" drums?  It needs to be able to fit over
> the peak of a roof and have space on both sides for ballast.  Cant seem
> to locate such a beast readily.
>
> Thanks
> Chris
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Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower

[Robert West]

I hear ya.  I'm the same on this end.



-Original Message-
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Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower

Sorry man. Its been a very busy summer. Just put in a second all nighter :(

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Robert West 
wrote:
> Rickesha?  Is that you?
>
> You never call me anymore.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 4:17 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower
>
> Contracts are NOT something to be taken lightly. As tempting as it is to
do
> it without a lawyer, it's not worth it! You only get one shot and after
that
> you gotta live with it. I've passed out contracts that were written by a
> lawyer in past years but found issues with them myself. They really need
to
> be specific to your needs. So, I had "Larry the Lawyer" draw up a basic
> contract for my needs. His rates are reasonable, and he was a WISP so he
> knows our business!
>
> Larry Yunker
> Barkan & Robon, Ltd.
> 1701 Woodlands Dr. Suite 100
> Maumee, OH  43537
> (419) 897-6500
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Robert West 
> wrote:
>> Liam is a REALLY good guy.  I’ve been taking time to mentor him and he
>> finally made his first backhaul link.  WAY TO GO LIAM!  Met him at his
>> first grain leg, climbed it a few times, instructed him.  Dropped a rope
> for him.
>> He’s a quick learner and is really dedicated to getting this done RIGHT!
>>   (And he calls me ten times a day!  Tis okay….)
>>
>>
>>
>> Even made his own, Bob Designed “Big-Ass-Box” for his equipment
>> install at the leg.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any help you guys can give to Liam is appreciated by me as well.  He
>> really deserves it.  Even though he is AFRAID of HEIGHTS!
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry dude, I know you gave me 20 bucks not to tell anyone but it was
>> just too sweet.  J
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ll give the 20 bucks back next time we hook up, dude.  My bad.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Liam Cummings
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 8:18 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower
>>
>>
>>
>> This is the only reply I got on this.  I guess I have no takers. L
>>
>>
>>
>> I can become a member today but I highly doubt the sample contracts
>> will be what I am looking for.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Liam
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch
>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:47 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower
>>
>>
>>
>> If you're a WISPA member, I think the wiki has a number of sample
> contracts.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:50 AM, "Liam Cummings"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I’m looking for a good contract to use for exclusive use of someone’s
> tower.
>> Anyone want to share what they have with us? Would save me tons of
>> time. J
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> TX
>>
>>
>>
>> Liam
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Robert West]

I'm familiar with that particular lifestyle.



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Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:04 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

Funny timing for this discussion (which could be on the ubnt_users list) 
but I'm spending tonight with 12 Nano's and Loco's resetting them and 
uploading the latest firmware before putting them back in service.  Here 
on my couch watching TV with my notebook and USB to my Ubiquiti's, how 
do YOU spend your evenings? :)

Forbes

On 8/5/2010 5:28 PM, RickG wrote:
> Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no
> tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet cable
> last night. No help.
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:
>
>> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a
lot.
>> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB
extension
>> cable.
>>
>> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and seeing
>> loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can you pull a
new
>> one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>>
>> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
>> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
>> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
>> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>  
>>> Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see any
>>> loss?
>>>
>>> There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular
>>>
>> radio
>>  
>>> scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?
>>>
>>> Friendly Regards,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Black Paint on Omni Antenna

[Matt]

> Is there any metallic components to that paint?  You can purchase

Not on label.  Said lead free but all paint is lead free now days.  It
was dollar store spray paint for a dollar.

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Re: [WISPA] Black Paint on Omni Antenna

[Kevin Neal]

Is there any metallic components to that paint?  You can purchase
Omni's that are black from the factory.

-Kevin


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[WISPA] Black Paint on Omni Antenna

[Matt]

I took some cheap black enamel spray paint and sprayed down an omni
antenna.  Thought was to perhaps keep ice off it in winter etc.
Clients all seem to drop by about 5db.  Is that normal?

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Re: [WISPA] Mesh

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Build two networks.  One for backhaul to towers where needed.  Install as 
many links as you need to get the job done.  Then put ap's on the towers 
that need it.

Use trade for service where you can.  Nothing wrong with using John Smith's 
house as a "tower" either.

This is what we're doing more and more of.  5 gig (soon to be 3650) for 
backhauls.  All dedicated bridged backhauls.  Then, we route at the AP that 
goes out to the customer.

It may cost a little bit more than other options, but the performance will 
be MUCH better this way.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Barnes" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:15 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Mesh


> Have a small town 1500 homes that I would like some advice on supplying 
> wireless to.  I have a tower on the north end of town that I can't very 
> well add many more antennas to due to contract with tower owner.  The town 
> is very wooded.  I was considering putting up 4 small AP's in various 
> areas of town to cover it to a point.  Then the police dept got wind of it 
> and wanted to add 2 of their towers.  But not all have LOS to the main 
> tower.  Is this a good use of a mesh network and what are the important 
> things to know about Mesh.  I have lots of ideas but know knowledge on 
> this.  My AP's are all 100% Mikrotik but I have not heard any good about 
> MT mesh and data on that is very slim.  Help?
>
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Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Linksys defaults upnp to on.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP


Default for everything I'm aware of is off.  Unless someone has a
different experience?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:
> we do.
>
> RickG wrote:
>
> So, do you turn off UPnP or not?
>
> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
>
>
> I've heard (I think it was on a Security Now podcast) that UPnP opens up 
> big
> security hole for the end user (your customers) because there are trojans
> that use UPnP to poke a hole in the router and then it phones home with 
> the
> IP address and port it opened. If that compromised machine starts running
> amok on your network then it would be a problem for you.
>
> Greg
>
> On Aug 2, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>
>
>
> Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told
> that it's a big security hole.
>
> Thoughts on that?
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
>
>
> I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT.
>
> When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have
> it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they
> gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even
> this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict
> (I think it's called open?).
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  
> wrote:
>
>
> So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you
> about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being
> behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other
> servers.
> >From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and 
> >Play
> (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing
> masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that
> device?
> Or should I just issue public IP’s to the customer that games and let them
> worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then
> do
> a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does
> that
> not work because of the double-NAT?
>
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
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> www.wavelinc.com
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a voice consultant

[Marlon K. Schafer]

I really like the folks from Netsapiens.  We have a per line program worked out 
with them.  I pay for the lines as we use them.  Later, when we have enough to 
justify it I can just roll all of the lines into our own server.

For now, we pay a little more per line, but I have no server to worry about and 
nearly no startup costs.  Pretty slick.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
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  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:09 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Looking for a voice consultant


  I am looking for someone who can assist with deploying a voice solution for 
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Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

[Marlon K. Schafer]

We give public ip's to all customers.  But in their router we turn off upnp 
if I'm the guy that sets up the router for them.

shrug,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Kennedy" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP


>I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me do 
>my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet and 
>web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port from 
>1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone else.
>
> In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP if you 
> are doing NAT.
>
> --
> Adam Kennedy
> Network Engineer
> Omnicity, Inc.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
>
> Man that sucks.  We turn off upnp on ALL routers.  I've always been told
> that it's a big security hole.
>
> Thoughts on that?
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
>
>
> I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT.
>
> When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have
> it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they
> gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp.  Even
> this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict
> (I think it's called open?).
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  
> wrote:
>> So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you
>> about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being
>> behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other
>> servers.
>> From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and 
>> Play
>> (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing
>> masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that
>> device?
>> Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let 
>> them
>> worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then
>> do
>> a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does
>> that
>> not work because of the double-NAT?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Mike]

In my mind, you have eliminated mechanical and radio things.  I take your
alignment is right.  I would at this point suspect interference.  What has
your weather been like?  I have seen episodes of tropospheric ducting do
that.  I had episodes earlier this summer where I had several days of some
serious ducting events.  It's usually when a cooler layer of stale air is
trapped by warmer upper air.  Can you get your hands on an analyzer?

Like I said, the Metageek WiSpy and software is a great little tool for the
money.  It runs great on my netbook.  If I had a 5.8 version I'd overnight
it to you.

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

No transmitters that I know of. There is a WISP with Canopy in the
next town over but its at least 5 miles away. My magic wand broke too.
Thanks!

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Mike  wrote:
> The USB extension would be for the WiSpy device you'd hook to the antenna.
> That way you have plenty of cable and don't have to assume a difficult
> position.  I have the 2.4G version of the WiSpy but not the 5.8.  It can
> tell you a lot for a simple device.
>
> Is there any sort of nearby transmitter where they might have turned up
the
> power?
>
> Did someone deploy Canopy close to you?
>
> I'd loan you my magic wand, but mine broke.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:29 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>
> Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no
> tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet cable
> last night. No help.
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:
>> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a
> lot.
>> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB
> extension
>> cable.
>>
>> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and seeing
>> loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can you pull a
> new
>> one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>>
>> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
>> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
>> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
>> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>> Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see any
>>> loss?
>>>
>>> There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular
>> radio
>>> scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?
>>>
>>> Friendly Regards,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Stuart Pierce]

But is it working now ?

-- Original Message --
From: RickG 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Fri, 6 Aug 2010 07:39:06 -0400

>Well, Faisal was kind enough to log into the AP (Rocket5 w/5G-20 sector)
>while I climbed up to align it. He said chain 0 & 1 were unbalanced. So, I
>changed out the radio, antenna, cables. Balance issue fixed but throughput
>to problem tower still bad. So, I went back to the problem tower and worked
>on it all night. I climbed so many times I lost count. I'm almost out of
>ideas. I did some spectrum analysis on a BM5 and a NanoBridge. I have
>attached an AP screen capture, a map of the tower link and ping scans of the
>2 stations (one works well, the other does not) same AP, different
>locations.
>
>BTW: BIG THANKS to Faisal. He worked with me until 2:30am! He would've gone
>longer but I think he fell asleep while I was driving to the bad tower. I
>going to get some shut eye myself now.
>
>On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:48 AM, MDK  wrote:
>> I've had several UBNT devices lose output power suddenly. Then one
>side
>> of the link is about 18-20 db lower than the other, and the throughput
>goes
>> away, badly.
>>
>> Do you have a large RXSL differences between sides on any link?
>>
>> ++
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>> From: "RickG" 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:01 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>>
>>> Here is a good one!
>>>
>>> I have a short "link" of about 3 miles from my main tower to another.
>>> On the main tower I have four UBNT 5G-20-90's with RockeyM5's running
>>> firmware 5.2. All have performed very well since I installed them
>>> earlier this year. On the other end at the problem tower I have a 26Db
>>> grid with a BulletM5 also running fw5.2. The link was doing well until
>>> two days ago. Then, the latency went through the roof. I assumed it
>>> was the radio but after switching it out twice, I decided to blame the
>>> antenna. So, I swapped out the grids multiple times. Then decided to
>>> try a Nanostation, and a Nanobridge but got worse results. I'd blame
>>> the sector on the main tower but another link on it remains working
>>> well. There is a topology difference between the working link and the
>>> poor link with the later being higher. There is some noise in the area
>>> but not unusual. What I do note is that the main tower does not "see"
>>> the far end very well (-78) and it should really be much higher. The
>>> receive rate is only 6.5Mbps.
>>>
>>> At any rate, I've got about 3 dozen subs on this tower and worked on
>>> it until 5am so I'm ready for some fresh input!
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[RickG]

No transmitters that I know of. There is a WISP with Canopy in the
next town over but its at least 5 miles away. My magic wand broke too.
Thanks!

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Mike  wrote:
> The USB extension would be for the WiSpy device you'd hook to the antenna.
> That way you have plenty of cable and don't have to assume a difficult
> position.  I have the 2.4G version of the WiSpy but not the 5.8.  It can
> tell you a lot for a simple device.
>
> Is there any sort of nearby transmitter where they might have turned up the
> power?
>
> Did someone deploy Canopy close to you?
>
> I'd loan you my magic wand, but mine broke.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:29 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>
> Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no
> tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet cable
> last night. No help.
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:
>> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a
> lot.
>> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB
> extension
>> cable.
>>
>> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and seeing
>> loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can you pull a
> new
>> one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>>
>> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
>> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
>> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
>> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>> Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see any
>>> loss?
>>>
>>> There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular
>> radio
>>> scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?
>>>
>>> Friendly Regards,
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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

[RickG]

Actually, CoaxSeal sticks to anythign and everything :)

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Robert West  wrote:
> Okay, Drywall Compound.  That stuff sticks to ANYTHING!
>
>
> Well, except to water.  Which in the big scheme of things is pretty lame.
>
> Albert-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:41 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
>
> Concrete doesn't stick...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Robert West 
> wrote:
>> I have zero issues with Time Warner in  respect with reselling.  I
>> REFUSE to resell in an area where they or DSL are available because if
>> someone in that area wants our service because the issue is they  have
>> been SHUTOFF by another service provider for NON-PAYMENT!  You fail,
> sorry,  No service.
>>
>> I stick with that policy like concrete.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:58 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
>>
>> FWIW if you are in Charter Cable Territory. you might consider
>> joining FISPA...for their program..
>>
>> Charter is more than happy to sell (For re-sale or own use) Charter
>> Cable Connections across the Charter Territories.
>> Along with Fiber & their new product "Ethernet over Coax".
>> (virtual Ethernet connections ).
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>>
>> On 8/4/2010 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>> I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but
>>> just make sure you have written permission from their sales
>>> department or at least acknowledgement that you are in the business
>>> of reselling the
>> access.
>>> Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale.  It gets
>>> you around their TOS.
>>>
>>> But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access
>>> so way less customers per MB on it.  And your ping times suffer from
>>> the
>> get go.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM
>>> To: motor...@afmug.com
>>> Cc: wireless@wispa.org
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
>>>
>>> Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea
>>> of how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to
>>> DSL/CABLE connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale
>>> their business class connections. My partner and I were discussing
>>> the pro's and con's of using a Cable business class connection. Money
>>> wise, it's a no brainer. I can get a 10 meg connection for around
>>> $100/mth and I am paying a little over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at
>>> the moment. The problems I see is they will only give you about 5
>>> public IP's and what would happen if they get blacklisted/blocked/etc...
>> and how fast will outages be fixed.
>>>
>>> I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists
>>> that were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought
>>> this survey might give an idea of the ratio that are using them.
>>>
>>> For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the
>>> first option.
>>>
>>> Here are the results so far:
>>>
>>> 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of
>>> transporting your users data to a medium that eventually connects to
>>> the nationwide backbone.
>>>
>>> A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides
>>> T1(DS1) or NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as
>>> AT&T, Qwest, Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C
>>> of public addresses or you can use your own.
>>>       82.4%   28
>>> Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or
>>> home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user
>>> account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to
>>> you...(Ignoring usage policies of your provider).
>>>       2.9%    1
>>> Other (please specify)
>>>       14.7%   5
>>> 1.    a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service
>>> such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant
>>> for multi-residential use.
>>> 2.    Two separate Hosting Centers
>>> 3.    Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and
>>> UUNET 4.    we are our own provider with our own ip range 5.
>>> Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or
>>> dsl, or other for backbone you are more than likely provi

Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower

[RickG]

Sorry man. Its been a very busy summer. Just put in a second all nighter :(

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Robert West  wrote:
> Rickesha?  Is that you?
>
> You never call me anymore.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 4:17 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower
>
> Contracts are NOT something to be taken lightly. As tempting as it is to do
> it without a lawyer, it's not worth it! You only get one shot and after that
> you gotta live with it. I've passed out contracts that were written by a
> lawyer in past years but found issues with them myself. They really need to
> be specific to your needs. So, I had "Larry the Lawyer" draw up a basic
> contract for my needs. His rates are reasonable, and he was a WISP so he
> knows our business!
>
> Larry Yunker
> Barkan & Robon, Ltd.
> 1701 Woodlands Dr. Suite 100
> Maumee, OH  43537
> (419) 897-6500
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> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Robert West 
> wrote:
>> Liam is a REALLY good guy.  I’ve been taking time to mentor him and he
>> finally made his first backhaul link.  WAY TO GO LIAM!  Met him at his
>> first grain leg, climbed it a few times, instructed him.  Dropped a rope
> for him.
>> He’s a quick learner and is really dedicated to getting this done RIGHT!
>>   (And he calls me ten times a day!  Tis okay….)
>>
>>
>>
>> Even made his own, Bob Designed “Big-Ass-Box” for his equipment
>> install at the leg.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any help you guys can give to Liam is appreciated by me as well.  He
>> really deserves it.  Even though he is AFRAID of HEIGHTS!
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry dude, I know you gave me 20 bucks not to tell anyone but it was
>> just too sweet.  J
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ll give the 20 bucks back next time we hook up, dude.  My bad.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Liam Cummings
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 8:18 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower
>>
>>
>>
>> This is the only reply I got on this.  I guess I have no takers. L
>>
>>
>>
>> I can become a member today but I highly doubt the sample contracts
>> will be what I am looking for.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Liam
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch
>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:47 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower
>>
>>
>>
>> If you're a WISPA member, I think the wiki has a number of sample
> contracts.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:50 AM, "Liam Cummings"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I’m looking for a good contract to use for exclusive use of someone’s
> tower.
>> Anyone want to share what they have with us? Would save me tons of
>> time. J
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> TX
>>
>>
>>
>> Liam
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

[Forbes Mercy]

Funny timing for this discussion (which could be on the ubnt_users list) 
but I'm spending tonight with 12 Nano's and Loco's resetting them and 
uploading the latest firmware before putting them back in service.  Here 
on my couch watching TV with my notebook and USB to my Ubiquiti's, how 
do YOU spend your evenings? :)

Forbes

On 8/5/2010 5:28 PM, RickG wrote:
> Yes, I use a netbook cause its so easy to take up the tower. I have no
> tried a USB cable on a Rocket yet but I added a "spare" Ethernet cable
> last night. No help.
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Mike  wrote:
>
>> One of those MetaGeek things screwed into your antenna would tell you a lot.
>> You'd have to carry a laptop (netbook!) and (do this!) carry a USB extension
>> cable.
>>
>> If you are sending large packets to a local device with ping, and seeing
>> loss, I would suspect the CAT5?  Spare one up the tower?  Can you pull a new
>> one?  Did you recrimp the ends?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance
>>
>> Loss is right, Big time! The Ubiquiti spectrum analysis shows low
>> noise across all bands. I think its about the same as when it was
>> installed but not 100% sure. I'm also not sure if its enough to cause
>> the issue I'm experiencing. Going up to swap the AP now...will advise.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>  
>>> Send some really large packet count pings to the device.  Do you see any
>>> loss?
>>>
>>> There might be an interference source that cropped up that the regular
>>>
>> radio
>>  
>>> scanners won't see.  Can you beg, borrow or make an analyzer?
>>>
>>> Friendly Regards,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
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