RE: [WISPA] Ground wire
I don't ground client equipment. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ground wire I was just curious for residential installations what size ground wire people are using? We have been using all #8 but with the sky rocketing costs of this have been considering #10 instead. This is used between our Polyphaser and the house ground system. * Larry A. Weidig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/258 - Release Date: 2/13/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Tranzeo CPQ Opinions
JohnnyO, The Tranzeo CPQ’s are rock solid and you should install as many of them as you can. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:53 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo CPQ Opinions We will be doing a large deployment of CPEs in the next 60-90days. I would like to hear all of the negatives or issues people are seeing with the Tranzeo CPQ line. A huge question I have is will it act as a PPPoE client ? Any and all comments are helpful, Thanks ! JohnnyO -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Ground wire
What makes you think I don’t wear a harness when I climb? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ground wire You don't wear a harness when you climb either - How do you expect anyone to take you seriously Kurtster ? JohnnyO On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 19:34 -0800, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I don't ground client equipment. Kurt FankhauserWAVELINC114 S. Walnut St.Bucyrus, OH 44820419-562-6405www.wavelinc.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Larry A WeidigSent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:06 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] Ground wire I was just curious for residential installations what sizeground wire people are using? We have been using all #8 but with thesky rocketing costs of this have been considering #10 instead. This isused between our Polyphaser and the house ground system. * Larry A. Weidig ([EMAIL PROTECTED])* Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/* (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area* (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/258 - Release Date:2/13/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Motel setup
Get about 3 of these things and you should be fine. http://tranzeo.com/uploaded_images/117_10_5_TR-600f%20Series.pdf Put ceiling omni's on them I would put one in the center of the building, and the remaining two towards the ends of the building. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Motel setup What's the currently recommended gear / setup for a motel? Total of 113 rooms spread over 2 floors. Going to be a 2-phrase project where the first group of rooms will have both Ethernet and Wi-Fi accessibility, with the remaining to have WiFi only. No idea yet on the layout of which rooms will be Ethernet / WiFi, but that's not really important. Owner is running the Ethernet cabling himself - just looking to contract out the Wireless end of it. I don't know much more than this at the moment. Not sure on square footage or anything - that is to come soon, but thought I'd get some ideas on equipment to start and then go from there. Thanks a bunch! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.7/259 - Release Date: 2/13/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Motel setup
B is more reliable than G, otherwise wisps would be using G but instead they are using B. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Motel setup I notice this kit is 11b only. Is there a specific reason for using 11b for hotspots instead of 11g? I'm guessing it's because of the greater output power and receive sensitivity of 11b but isn't OFDM better for bouncing around the walls of a Hotel? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: 15 February 2006 06:36 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Motel setup Get about 3 of these things and you should be fine. http://tranzeo.com/uploaded_images/117_10_5_TR-600f%20Series.pdf Put ceiling omni's on them I would put one in the center of the building, and the remaining two towards the ends of the building. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Motel setup What's the currently recommended gear / setup for a motel? Total of 113 rooms spread over 2 floors. Going to be a 2-phrase project where the first group of rooms will have both Ethernet and Wi-Fi accessibility, with the remaining to have WiFi only. No idea yet on the layout of which rooms will be Ethernet / WiFi, but that's not really important. Owner is running the Ethernet cabling himself - just looking to contract out the Wireless end of it. I don't know much more than this at the moment. Not sure on square footage or anything - that is to come soon, but thought I'd get some ideas on equipment to start and then go from there. Thanks a bunch! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.7/259 - Release Date: 2/13/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.8/260 - Release Date: 14/02/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.8/260 - Release Date: 14/02/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 2/15/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] bandwidth
Motorola 5.4Ghz gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] bandwidth Are any vendors shipping products which are FCC certified for these frequencies? Thanks Dan > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of A. Huppenthal > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:55 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] bandwidth > > Last month, the FCC officially opened up the use of the middle band of > the Unlicensed National Information Infrastructure (UNII) spectrum > (5.470 GHz to 5.725 GHz) to 54Mbps 802.11a Wi-Fi networks in the United > States. The band adds another 255 MHz and 11 channels to the existing > 325 MHz and 13 channels available for Wi-Fi in this band. > > As of January 20, any products that apply for certification in the 5.470 > GHz to 5.725 GHz band or in the lower end of the UNII band at 5.25 > GHz to 5.35 GHz, were required to support dynamic frequency selection > (DFS) and transmit power control (TPC) to minimize interference, per a > February 2005 FCC order > <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-05-43A1.pdf>. > > From Joanie Wexler... > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 02/15/2006 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 02/15/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 2/15/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] bandwidth
Buy from someone that imports 5.4 moto from overseas and resells. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] bandwidth AFAIK, they are not shipping to US only international cause the FCC has not defined the DFS mechanism yet... Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] bandwidth Motorola 5.4Ghz gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] bandwidth Are any vendors shipping products which are FCC certified for these frequencies? Thanks Dan > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of A. Huppenthal > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:55 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] bandwidth > > Last month, the FCC officially opened up the use of the middle band of > the Unlicensed National Information Infrastructure (UNII) spectrum > (5.470 GHz to 5.725 GHz) to 54Mbps 802.11a Wi-Fi networks in the United > States. The band adds another 255 MHz and 11 channels to the existing > 325 MHz and 13 channels available for Wi-Fi in this band. > > As of January 20, any products that apply for certification in the 5.470 > GHz to 5.725 GHz band or in the lower end of the UNII band at 5.25 > GHz to 5.35 GHz, were required to support dynamic frequency selection > (DFS) and transmit power control (TPC) to minimize interference, per a > February 2005 FCC order > <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-05-43A1.pdf>. > > From Joanie Wexler... > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 02/15/2006 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 02/15/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.9/261 - Release Date: 2/15/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.10/262 - Release Date: 2/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] omni tower separation
Is 6 inches enough separation with a 9db omni from a 25g tower?, I’ve done it with 12 before and I had no problems, just wondering what 6 would do. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 20Mbps mobiles by the end of the decade
“According to the operator, by 2009 mobile users will be able to get speeds of more than 20Mbps using 3G LTE technology. Currently, the fastest mobile technology available is HSDPA, which offers a theoretical maximum of 3.6Mbps and a realistic downlink of around 1Mbps.” Full Article http://networks.silicon.com/mobile/0,39024665,39156444,00.htm Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)
Something needs to be done about this 900mhz pricing, at these prices I can justify setting up more 2.4ghz to get to these last mile customers. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput) That is why I posted the request on 900MHz myself I am suprised that no distributors or manufactures has replied yet... Dylan Bouterse wrote: We are in the beginning stages of evaluating 900MHz for our wireless portfolio. I’m very interested to hear about implemented systems and what kind of max throughput and latency is expected. Any help is greatly appreciated. Dylan Bouterse . Sr. System Engineer ___ p. 352.253.2200 f. 352.742.2211 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] i. http://www.power1.com - www.onepowerfulsolution.com - www.power1golf.com No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.10/263 - Release Date: 2/16/2006 -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP269-686-8648 A division of:Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] used Pac Wireless antennas for sale
I have 10 pac wireless PA24-19 19db flat panels (2.4GHz) that were recently replaced with different gear. These client end antennas are all working and any reasonable offer will be accepted. I paid $50 each for these things brand new. So there is $500 worth of stuff here. Anyone interested can email me offlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pacwireless.com/products/PA24_Data_Sheet.pdf Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st
Someone needs to start an online poll in which we can go on and anonymously vote on weather we fill this form out or not. Does the FCC say how many of these forms are being turned in? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st This is a notice that the FCC Form 477 is due March 1st. The link below is for the FCC Website concerning this report. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Also one of the FAQ’s concerning WISPs 8. Are Wireless Internet Service Providers (WISPs) exempt? No. Entities that provide broadband connections to end user locations by using spectrum on an unlicensed basis for the “last hop” to the end user location must report information about those connections. Typically this is done by completing the questions for broadband category 7 (“terrestrial fixed wireless”) in Part I of the form and also filling in column (f) in Part V of the form. (If broadband connections are reported in another technology category, such as “terrestrial mobile wireless,” please put a brief explanatory note into Part IV of the form.) A WISP should consider the user data rate (as opposed to the over-the-air raw data rate, for example) when determining whether connections are broadband for purposes of Form 477. (A broadband connection enables the end user to receive information from and/or send information to the Internet at information transfer rates exceeding 200 kbps in at least one direction. See also FAQ #5.) A WISP should not report subscribers to its broadband Internet-access service when that service is delivered over a broadband connection to the end user location that the WISP, or the WISP’s customer, has obtained from an unaffiliated entity such as a municipality, public utility district, or DSL service provider (“DSL wholesaler.”) The underlying, facilities-based providers of wired broadband connections to end user locations are responsible for reporting them, and any particular broadband connection should be reported only once in this data collection. See also FAQ #10. Part II and Part III of Form 477 – which are the parts of the form where information about local telephone service is collected – may not apply to particular WISPs: · Only WISPs that are authorized (by the WISP’s state telecommunications regulator) to operate as a CLEC need to consider Part II of the form, and they should also see FAQ #13. · Only WISPs that offer mobile telephone service as commercial mobile radio service (CMRS) providers need to consider Part III of the form. Note that CMRS providers typically hold or operate spectrum licenses for cellular, PCS, or SMR services. Respectfully Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 5.8ghz low power distance limitations
How much range can I expect to get with a 802.11a setup with 13db radio’s and 24db panel antennas? The reason I am asking is because I am thinking about using a pair of Tranzeo TR-5a-24f for a 5 mile link but I am skeptical about the low power. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st
Dawwwn, Please point out where I said I don't file. Once you do that I will listen to what you have to say. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st Kurt, With all due respect I would like to ask that you not post suggestions that are blatantly against FCC regulations. In both of your messages I included below it appears you are advocating the complete disregarding of FCC regulations. I like to think of the WISPA list as a professional place to come and discuss fixed wireless technology. The last thing we want to do is give the appearance that we do not fully conform to all rules and regulations especially ones mandated by the FCC. Just my opinion, Dawn On 2/21/2006 Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Someone needs to start an online poll in which we can go on and > anonymously vote on weather we fill this form out or not. Does the FCC > say how many of these forms are being turned in? > On 2/16/2006 Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Buy from someone that imports 5.4 moto from overseas and resells. --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 2/20/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 5.8ghz low power distance limitations
Well I have a perfect 2 mile shot and according to the calcs should be running between -50 and -60 but the tranzeo unit is reporting -73, is there any evidence to suggest that tranzeo's don't report signal levels accurately? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8ghz low power distance limitations Blair, Where are you seeing the -62 reported? StarOS? Mikrotik? According to my calcs, your link below is a perfect link. The link calculator I use estimates your loss at each side to be 2dBm. Sincerely, Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky http://www.KyWiFi.com http://www.KyWiFiVoice.com Phone: 859.274.4033 A Broadband Phone & Internet Provider == Wireless Broadband, Local Calling and UNLIMITED Long Distance only $69! No Taxes, No Regulatory Fees, No Hassles FREE Site Survey: http://www.KyWiFi.com == - Original Message - From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8ghz low power distance limitations I have an 8 mile link with CM9 cards (17db) and 27db grids. This link has clear LoS. I get -62 sig strength at each end YMMV Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > How much range can I expect to get with a 802.11a setup with 13db > radio's and 24db panel antennas? The reason I am asking is because I > am thinking about using a pair of Tranzeo TR-5a-24f for a 5 mile link > but I am skeptical about the low power. > > Kurt Fankhauser > > WAVELINC > > 114 S. Walnut St. > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > 419-562-6405 > > www.wavelinc.com > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 2/20/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers
I can crimp a regular rj45 connector faster than you can crimp your EZ ones. If you know what you are doing you have no problem crimping one. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers What is your time worth? -Matt Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: > That's it. Thanks! > > Do you really pay $.60 per connector??? Maybe it's not as nice of a > tool as I thought > > laters, > Marlon > (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services > 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! > 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > > > > - Original Message - From: "Aubrey Wells" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:14 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers > > >> http://www.happcontrols.com/electrical_supplies/92060900.htm >> >> --- >> Aubrey Wells >> One Ring Networks >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> o: (404) 601.1407 >> f: (404) 601.1408 >> c: (770) 356.9767 >> >> >> >> Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I'm looking for a crimper I saw someone talk about. It uses special >>> rj45 connectors that allow the cable to go through the end. Then >>> the crimper crimps and cuts to length at the same time. >>> >>> Anyone know what it's called and where to get the connectors and the >>> crimper? >>> >>> thanks! >>> >>> Marlon >>> (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales >>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services >>> 42846865 (icq)And I run my own >>> wisp! >>> 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) >>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless >>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers
Your better off on the ground than on a tower anyway Rick. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers I'll take that challenge :) I can crimp EZ's faster than you can pull the tension out of a guy wire on the tower someone's climbing! I never said EZ's were for people that didn't know what they were doing, I said they were for people that valued their time Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > I can crimp a regular rj45 connector faster than you can crimp your EZ > ones. If you know what you are doing you have no problem crimping one. > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > 114 S. Walnut St. > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:26 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers > > What is your time worth? > > -Matt > > Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: > >> That's it. Thanks! >> >> Do you really pay $.60 per connector??? Maybe it's not as nice of a >> tool as I thought >> >> laters, >> Marlon >> (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales >> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services >> 42846865 (icq)And I run my own > wisp! >> 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) >> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless >> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam >> >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Aubrey Wells" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:14 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers >> >> >>> http://www.happcontrols.com/electrical_supplies/92060900.htm >>> >>> --- >>> Aubrey Wells >>> One Ring Networks >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> o: (404) 601.1407 >>> f: (404) 601.1408 >>> c: (770) 356.9767 >>> >>> >>> >>> Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I'm looking for a crimper I saw someone talk about. It uses special > >>>> rj45 connectors that allow the cable to go through the end. Then >>>> the crimper crimps and cuts to length at the same time. >>>> >>>> Anyone know what it's called and where to get the connectors and the > >>>> crimper? >>>> >>>> thanks! >>>> >>>> Marlon >>>> (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales >>>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services >>>> 42846865 (icq)And I run my own >>>> wisp! >>>> 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) >>>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless >>>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers
If you can't "do the job right" with a non-EZ connector then mabey you should consider a different occupation. Out of thousands of crimps I've never once had a crimp fail and all my crimps are consistant with each other. A good solid RJ-45 crimp is very easy to make if you know what your doing. Cutting corners by using "cheater" type products is not the way you should be running a wisp. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers EZ is not for speed. It's for doing the job right. One service call because of your "fast" crimp and all the speed for years of "fast" crimping is lost. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >I can crimp a regular rj45 connector faster than you can crimp your EZ >ones. If you know what you are doing you have no problem crimping one. > >Kurt Fankhauser >WAVELINC >114 S. Walnut St. >Bucyrus, OH 44820 >419-562-6405 >www.wavelinc.com > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Matt Liotta >Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:26 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers > >What is your time worth? > >-Matt > >Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: > > > >>That's it. Thanks! >> >>Do you really pay $.60 per connector??? Maybe it's not as nice of a >>tool as I thought >> >>laters, >>Marlon >>(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales >>(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services >>42846865 (icq)And I run my own >> >> >wisp! > > >>64.146.146.12 (net meeting) >>www.odessaoffice.com/wireless >>www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam >> >> >> >>- Original Message - From: "Aubrey Wells" >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: "WISPA General List" >>Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:14 AM >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers >> >> >> >> >>>http://www.happcontrols.com/electrical_supplies/92060900.htm >>> >>>--- >>>Aubrey Wells >>>One Ring Networks >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>o: (404) 601.1407 >>>f: (404) 601.1408 >>>c: (770) 356.9767 >>> >>> >>> >>>Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi All, >>>> >>>>I'm looking for a crimper I saw someone talk about. It uses special >>>> >>>> > > > >>>>rj45 connectors that allow the cable to go through the end. Then >>>>the crimper crimps and cuts to length at the same time. >>>> >>>>Anyone know what it's called and where to get the connectors and the >>>> >>>> > > > >>>>crimper? >>>> >>>>thanks! >>>> >>>>Marlon >>>>(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales >>>>(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services >>>>42846865 (icq)And I run my own >>>>wisp! >>>>64.146.146.12 (net meeting) >>>>www.odessaoffice.com/wireless >>>>www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> > > > -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] WAS.....HELP M2 Yagi won't.......Problem Fixed
You still using WRAP boards I got some for sale mounted in some nice NEMA 4 enclosures, 6ghz arrestors, the whole works. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WAS.HELP M2 Yagi won't...Problem Fixed Brian, My first access point went up in July of 04. I had never put a WRAP board before, and I mistook which was radio 1 and radio 2. Anyway, I managed to hook the 2.4 ghz AP to the 5 ghz dish and the 5 ghz radio to the 2.4 sector... Well, we had no trouble at all hooking up to the AP while standing at the building. Or, anywhere around it. But, the 5 ghz backhaul would NOT hook up. The AP could not be seen at 1.2 miles, even with a 16 db antenna. I fought with that thing for 2 days, on and off. It was incredibly hot and going up there in the middle of the wheat field was unbearable, so I worked at it at night. Anyway, I started work on it near sunset, checked everything out again, clear down to changing all the radios and pigtails, and giving up, I went to the other end of the backhaul, nine miles away. I did some fiddling with the AP while I was there then giving up and deciding to snoop around instead, I then decided to survey using the utility for the PC card. Suddenly, the SSID for the other AP showed, and I connected, using a 14 db panel.Even through that 5 ghz grid, I had a pretty decent signal at 2.4 at 9 miles. It was about 3:30 AM. I drove to the other site, switched the antenna cables, and VIOLA! I had a fully functional net access site :) I was so jazzed, I drove around checking coverage for another hour, and then got home in time for breakfast. I was happy to tell the partner I had fixed it. It was terribly ego-bruising to admit how stupid of a mistake it was and how I had simply not caught on for 2 days Needless to say, I suddenly decided to wise up and check things out and be sure of assumptions I make from then on... North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WAS.HELP M2 Yagi won't...Problem Fixed > Some IDIOT that was in my enclosure bumped the power supply and > unplugged the AP. The idiot was me. > > Brian Rohrbacher wrote: > > > I am trying to get an install done tonight but can only get -112 dbm > > on a Canopy SM with a M2 yagi. I hung the Canopy yesterday (my first > > one) and did an install. I did one install earlier today with the 13 > > dbi yagi from CTI, so I know I'm not doing something on the radio > > wrong. Anyway, these antennas have to be assambled and must be I put > > it together wrong. Well, as soon as an answer I'll go finish the > > install. The install is 5 miles LOS. It didn't work so I came home > > and assembled another Canopy radio and antenna and this one didn't > > work either. My house is 1/2 mile LOS, so it's not a low signal > > issue. Anyway, it must be these M2 Yagis. > > > > Give me a call if you want. 269 838 8338 > > > > > > Brian > > > -- > Brian Rohrbacher > Reliable Internet, LLC > www.reliableinter.net > Cell 269-838-8338 > > "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: Fw: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st
That $10,000 fine is a standard FCC violation fine and can apply to almost any situation where a violation has occurred. Now I am NOT condoning violating FCC rules but these are the facts and we have to face it. When was the last time someone was fined for being over EIRP limits, NEVER! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Terms and Contracts
Judge Judy Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cliff Leboeuf Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Terms and Contracts Jory, To me, it depends on a few things... 1. Do you have a written contract that has a term commitment and the cancellation fees clearly stated? 2. If you do, is it amount worth pursuing for collections based on the risk, money and time you will spend? 3. If you do pursue, and win, is the customer capable of paying the judgment? I have been successful in enforcing a number of my contracts through small claims court. - Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Terms and Contracts I was just wondering how a small WISP goes about enforcing a contract? If someone cancels early what actions do I have available to enforce their contract? Any Ideas or suggestions? Jory Privett WCCS -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/267 - Release Date: 2/22/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] staros vs mt routing
Has anyone seen issues between the two? I have a situation where I replaced a staros box with a MT box (I’m running rip) and the routes are getting distributed, I can pass traffic on to the internet, but I can’t do anything past the MT box in the direction going away from the internet. Now on the otherside of the MT box I can do anything, browse internet, ping anywhere, etc. But from the otherside I can’t get past it. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Tranzeo
I am getting 20mbps with these, I also noticed that that will still function at -91 at 6mbps and not drop packets. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo I personally have 2 links made with the TR5a-24 radios from Tranzeo. One of them has been in place about 2 months and I must say that they havent burped, hick-up'd or farted even once! I am thus far extremely impressed and very satisified - to say the least. The fiorst link shows a 54Mbps link at -71 and is a 4 mile CLOS shot and the other is a 8 mile shot CLOS -83 showing a 36Mbps link. Am I smiling? Yess :-) Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us www.RadioResponse.org (Katrina Relief) Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 chris cooper wrote: > Can anyone share experiences with the Tranzeo 5824F series? Looking > for a BH solution that supports QoS and is upwards of 50 Mb and > reliable. Ive looked at this, Ceragon and Waverider. Any insights are > much appreciated. > > > > Chris Cooper > > Intelliwave > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/268 - Release Date: 2/23/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right
Please explain what your talking about with the Moto. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right I said the same thing on the moto wireless list. We are being pushed to be eaten by the larger wisps or closed down. I do not like it and can only try and fight it but I have no idea how. Hopefully wispa knows the direction as i do not thing part-15 knows. Jeromie Pete Davis wrote: > The faster it becomes a "fundamental human right" the faster we > migrate from being entrepreneurs, and start becoming the same level as > water workers, sewer workers, trash pickup, postal workers, and > whatever. The more the government gets involved with something, the > worse it gets. When the bureaucrats get to making things like this a > required service (which they inevitably will in our lifetimes) then > there will be no difference than a utility or postal service, with > prices capped and profitability extinguished. Another thing that will > take us this direction will be the mass consolidation similar to the > 250 phone companies that all became AT&T in the first part of the > 1900's. They all were either bought up or squashed by the competition. > Maybe we won't all end up like that. Hard to say. > > Pete Davis > NoDial.net > > chris cooper wrote: > >> Not to shoot myself in the foot here, but a "fundamental human right"? >> That's just grandstanding. Take a hit from the reality pipe- people are >> homeless, people starve to death right here in the good ole USA. The >> list could go on and on about folks whose basic needs and rights are not >> being met. Im with Tom- many people just aren't willing to pay what the >> service costs. I wish they were though. >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >>> "Broadband is a fundamental civil right and human right," Bill de >>> >> >> Blasio, >> >>> a city council member, said during the session on Wednesday. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/272 - Release Date: 3/1/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!*
I am leaving WISPA too, this list has been going downhill for a while and this NAZI tactic monitoring is starting to become annoying. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Huppenthal Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New revenue stream *THREAD CLOSED!* my apologies to the members of the list if they found it offensive. Reality is we need to consider content rules as much as need to consider VoIP gateways. since you've arbitrarily decided its not 'proper content' based on your view, I've decided to drop my involvement in WISPA. bye On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:35 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: > Alex, > > Please take this offlist. This is not proper content for > discussion on the > Wispa list servs. > > Respectfully, > > Rick Harnish > President > Supernova Technologies, Inc. > 260-827-2482 Office > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Founding Member of WISPA > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of A. Huppenthal > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:46 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] New revenue stream > > I have client who asked me if a tasteful nude picture web server would > be okay to deploy on the network. > > They are willing to pay 5 times the normal rate for co-location, plus > additional fees for high load times. > > When I called Qwest to find out about their policy they said they > aren't > in the business of clensing the net or otherwise filtering content. > > Since this server is not one of the companies, I wonder what sort of > liability exists.. > > It appears this is a huge source of revenue. In fact the same crew > says > they want to provide DRM downloadable movies of the adult nature. > > Now I've watched with some interest, what the major hotel chains are > doing and how much pay per view adult movies add to their bottom > line. I > don't think this is a simple - you know I don't like it myself - > answer. Its policy, revenue and finding the proper ground. > > Any experience with this? > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/272 - Release Date: 3/1/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support
why is the tranzeo noise floor lower than ubnt stuff? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:14 PM, David Hulsebus wrote: > A nod to the folks at Tranzeo who helped me unbrick a radio 180 ft in > the air. And I'm the one who bricked it. Ken spent hours helping, > reconfigured two systems there to replicate my configs. Found a way in > and sent me a how-to. > > Price upfront is not my only criteria for purchasing. I still use the > TR5a series for backhauls where I only need 20MB links. Love working > with a -105 noise floor on the Tranzeo's on a busy tower instead of > Rockets and NanoBridges that sit at -85. > > YMMV, Dave > > -- > David Hulsebus > Portative Technologies, LLC > 1995 Allison Lane, Suite 100 > Corydon, IN 47112 > 812-738-7007 > www.portative.com > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support
I have 2 Tranzeo TR5a-24's sitting here at the office I would like to see go if anyone wants them hit me offlist. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:15 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support Well that's pretty screwy if that's the case...not familiar with UBNT but something seems foo there! The Tranzeo TR5a was the last product we used from Tranzeo that actually worked okay...the major thing I don't like about them through is the client didn't automatically sweep if you needed to do an emergency frequency change on the base. On 07/31/2012 12:51 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: > I am not sure it is. I think the UBNT Noise Floor on their radios is not an actual detected floor but a calculation. > > Steve Barnes > General Manager > PCSWIN / RC-WiFi > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:48 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support > > why is the tranzeo noise floor lower than ubnt stuff? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:14 PM, David Hulsebus wrote: > >> A nod to the folks at Tranzeo who helped me unbrick a radio 180 ft in >> the air. And I'm the one who bricked it. Ken spent hours helping, >> reconfigured two systems there to replicate my configs. Found a way >> in and sent me a how-to. >> >> Price upfront is not my only criteria for purchasing. I still use >> the TR5a series for backhauls where I only need 20MB links. Love >> working with a -105 noise floor on the Tranzeo's on a busy tower >> instead of Rockets and NanoBridges that sit at -85. >> >> YMMV, Dave >> >> -- >> David Hulsebus >> Portative Technologies, LLC >> 1995 Allison Lane, Suite 100 >> Corydon, IN 47112 >> 812-738-7007 >> www.portative.com >> >> ___ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Strange problem with Canopy 9000APC
Can you possibly put a polyphaser on the 9000APC? I use these: <http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=531462&eventPage=1 > http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=531462&eventPage=1 Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 <http://www.wavelinc.com> http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Hannum Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange problem with Canopy 9000APC The first radio went bad on the first antenna. The second and third radios have gone bad on the second antenna. We'll probably swap the antenna again this afternoon on this one. Dave Hannum New Era Broadband On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Jason Bailey wrote: That's why I said antenna. It happened frequently after changing the antenna. --- On Thu, 6/13/13, David Hannum wrote: From: David Hannum Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange problem with Canopy 9000APC To: "WISPA General List" Date: Thursday, June 13, 2013, 10:01 AM Moisture is not an issue. Good drip loops on both the antenna cable and CAT-5 Cables. We actually sealed the entry of the radio with mastic to be sure. The first radio lasted about 10 months. When it went, we first swapped antennas, thinking maybe a lightning strike damaged it (we've had the same effect on signal from bad antenna). That did nothing to help, so we next swapped the radio. Signal back. That lasted about four weeks. Swapped radio again, and signal back. Lasted about 12 hours this time. No visible damage to any of the radios. No moisture found inside. We don't have capability to test in-house. Will send to SWG or Wireless Units to have them take a look. Dave Hannum New Era Broadband On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Fred Goldstein http://mc/compose?to=fgoldst...@ionary.com> > wrote: On 6/13/2013 7:43 AM, David Hannum wrote: > We're having an issue with a 9000APC that is very strange. Here is the > situation. We have a remote water tank (stand pipe 75' high) that has a > few homes around it. So, we have a 9000APC and a connectorized 2450AP > on the tower, both on Omni's. The antennas are on a stand almost > exactly 4' apart. There are six subs on the 900MHz radio. About a > month ago, I had an issue where (after about 9 months) the signal to all > of the customers just faded out, to the point that only two subs were > still good. I swapped the antenna and that did not help. I swapped the > radio, and that fixed the problem. Trouble is, it only lasted about > three weeks, and the same thing happened again. I swapped the radio > again yesterday, and today, I'm back in the same boat. The radio in the > AP keeps going out. I had the climbers check the grounding, and we > actually ran a dedicated ground yesterday off the water tank. My knee > jerk feeling today is that maybe the radios are too close together, and > the 2450 is burning up the 900. Could this be the case? Any ideas? > Here is an example of what happens. Customers that run signals -47 to > -57 become -70 to -75 and those who's signals were -70 and up fall clear > off. Swap the radio, and everything goes back to normal. This is now > three radios that have gone, each lasting a much shorter time than the > previous. (this one did not make it 24 hours). > I can't completely rule out lightning - the tower is in a very wooded > area. But usually you burn up the NIC in that case - not weaken the radio. > Thoughts? Interesting mystery! Clearly you don't want to blow more radios this way. Any more clues about what may have happened right before the failures? I'm wondering about weather events. Did it fail after a rain storm? Water coming in to the radio or corroding the antenna connectors might result. And if the antenna's connector is flaky, re-attaching it to a new radio might be a temporary fix, but reattaching it to an old radio might "fix" it too (temporariy). Have you examined the broken radios in the shop? -- Fred R. Goldstein fred "at" interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org <http://mc/compose?to=Wireless@wispa.org> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org <http://mc/compose?to=Wireless@wispa.org> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Strange problem with Canopy 9000APC
I use them with no insertion loss at all. There is a version of it with a male end for antenna however I don't see it on Tessco's site. The polyphaser model # is DSXL-MA Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 <http://www.wavelinc.com> http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Hannum Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange problem with Canopy 9000APC Never tried that before. We always use LPU's on the CAT-5 but I've never put one on the antenna lead. What kind of line loss does it cause? I don't see that in the Tech Specs. Also, does it come with a male antenna connector side? Dave Hannum On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Can you possibly put a polyphaser on the 9000APC? I use these: <http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=531462&eventPage=1 > http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=531462&eventPage=1 Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 <http://www.wavelinc.com> http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Hannum Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange problem with Canopy 9000APC The first radio went bad on the first antenna. The second and third radios have gone bad on the second antenna. We'll probably swap the antenna again this afternoon on this one. Dave Hannum New Era Broadband On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Jason Bailey wrote: That's why I said antenna. It happened frequently after changing the antenna. --- On Thu, 6/13/13, David Hannum wrote: From: David Hannum Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange problem with Canopy 9000APC To: "WISPA General List" Date: Thursday, June 13, 2013, 10:01 AM Moisture is not an issue. Good drip loops on both the antenna cable and CAT-5 Cables. We actually sealed the entry of the radio with mastic to be sure. The first radio lasted about 10 months. When it went, we first swapped antennas, thinking maybe a lightning strike damaged it (we've had the same effect on signal from bad antenna). That did nothing to help, so we next swapped the radio. Signal back. That lasted about four weeks. Swapped radio again, and signal back. Lasted about 12 hours this time. No visible damage to any of the radios. No moisture found inside. We don't have capability to test in-house. Will send to SWG or Wireless Units to have them take a look. Dave Hannum New Era Broadband On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Fred Goldstein http://mc/compose?to=fgoldst...@ionary.com> > wrote: On 6/13/2013 7:43 AM, David Hannum wrote: > We're having an issue with a 9000APC that is very strange. Here is the > situation. We have a remote water tank (stand pipe 75' high) that has a > few homes around it. So, we have a 9000APC and a connectorized 2450AP > on the tower, both on Omni's. The antennas are on a stand almost > exactly 4' apart. There are six subs on the 900MHz radio. About a > month ago, I had an issue where (after about 9 months) the signal to all > of the customers just faded out, to the point that only two subs were > still good. I swapped the antenna and that did not help. I swapped the > radio, and that fixed the problem. Trouble is, it only lasted about > three weeks, and the same thing happened again. I swapped the radio > again yesterday, and today, I'm back in the same boat. The radio in the > AP keeps going out. I had the climbers check the grounding, and we > actually ran a dedicated ground yesterday off the water tank. My knee > jerk feeling today is that maybe the radios are too close together, and > the 2450 is burning up the 900. Could this be the case? Any ideas? > Here is an example of what happens. Customers that run signals -47 to > -57 become -70 to -75 and those who's signals were -70 and up fall clear > off. Swap the radio, and everything goes back to normal. This is now > three radios that have gone, each lasting a much shorter time than the > previous. (this one did not make it 24 hours). > I can't completely rule out lightning - the tower is in a very wooded > area. But usually you burn up the NIC in that case - not weaken the radio. > Thoughts? Interesting mystery! Clearly you don't want to blow more radios this way. Any more clues about what may have happened right before the failures? I'm wondering about weather events. Did it fail after a rain storm? Water coming in to the radio or corroding the antenna connectors might res
Re: [WISPA] 5.2 or 5.4 Short Hops
I have some Tranzeo radios that are certified for 5.4 and 5.2. Can these be re-hung? If so they are for sale. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 7:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.2 or 5.4 Short Hops The 5.2 certs do you no good. 5.25 - 5.35 GHz requires DFS as well for new deployments since the change was released. You can only replace existing pre-DFS gear with other pre-DFS gear. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/20/2011 11:05 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Can you direct me to the CM9 and xr5 certification for the 5.2 band? I would really like to be able to use this band for a few sites where subs are 2-3 miles max - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.2 or 5.4 Short Hops The cm9 and xr5 cards are certified for use in the 5.2GHz band (5.18-5.32GHz) and in the 5.8GHz band (5.745-5.825GHz). I don't use anything in the 5.4GHz band because that requires DFS I really don't want to rehash the modular certification argument again. On 1/20/2011 4:55 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: FCC certified? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.2 or 5.4 Short Hops Use 5.2GHz, mikrotik with cm9 or xr5 cards. I do a PtP link 3200ft on 5.3GHz. Carries 50Mbit on a 40MHz channel with ease... On 1/20/2011 4:39 PM, Matt wrote: Looking for some gear to do 4 short hops under a mile and not interfer with existing 2.4 or 5.7 gear. Was thinking of the 5.2 or 5.4 band gear. Whats out there that wont break the bank and is FCC compliant in that band? Leaning towards canopy but would like more bandwidth and a lower price. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3391 - Release Date: 01/19/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3391 - Release Date: 01/19/11 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3393 - Release Date: 01/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ <> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] new list
What is the link for Butches Mikotik list, is it listed under a WISPA lists page? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list LOL, funny how my history teacher was right about his saying, "history repeats itself". I remember being on the isp-wireless list and getting emailed about one sentence responses and emailed everyone I was done. So Mike started up the Part-15 lists. Then it went from there to WISPA. Then splintered to AFMUG and Butch's Mikrotik list. Now we may be back to WISPA and the new wug.cc , although I do believe in neutrality, but no hard core bashing. Be a little mature ( although it's hard to say what age this begins ) about posts and put some forethought in responses. Oh I almost forgot wisp-equipment, Judd's list. -- Original Message -- From: support Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:18:52 -0600 >I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box >think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting >angry > > > >On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not >> warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you >> feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate >> concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the >> industry, then voice them. >> >> Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done. >> It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive >> criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get >> something done. >> >> I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and >> not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads >> on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well. >> I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous >> products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and >> called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG >> list. >> >> We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will >> be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry. >> Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of >> the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist >> media. >> >> I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and >> value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind >> that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has >> provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They >> have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the industry >> growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs, >> whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of >> time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made, and >> not been afraid to get their hands dirty. >> >> I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've >> been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta. >> >> I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week >> >> On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example. >>> We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably not the >>> best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: >>> >>>> Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a >>>> free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? >>>> >>>> Steve Barnes >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:w
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Announcements] Baltic Networks introduced a newlow-cost 6 Port Gigabit Router Powered by MikroTik at theAnimal Farm Expo in Salt Lake City, Utah
Does this router work on Mikrotik ROS v4 or is it v5 only? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:12 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Announcements] Baltic Networks introduced a newlow-cost 6 Port Gigabit Router Powered by MikroTik at theAnimal Farm Expo in Salt Lake City, Utah Nice to see products like this developing and being made available, but it still misses the mark by not including SFP ports. Also, the GigE port count is far too few. Six? Need more like 24 or 48 ports! USB ports are great to see on this router! Good job there and what IMO should be mandatory on all HUB site or core based routers. Best, Brad From: announcements-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:announcements-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:55 AM To: announceme...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA Announcements] Baltic Networks introduced a new low-cost 6 Port Gigabit Router Powered by MikroTik at the Animal Farm Expo in Salt Lake City, Utah Description: Description: BalticHeader.tif Baltic Networks introduced a new low-cost 6 Port Gigabit Router Powered by MikroTik at the Animal Farm Expo in Salt Lake City, Utah January 14, 2011 Aurora, Illinois - Baltic Networks introduced MaxxWave RouterMaxx 1106T, a new low cost 6-port Gigabit Router powered by IntelR newest technology, the CoreT2 Quad/, the CoreT2 Duo Processor at the Animal Farm Expo. RouterMaxx 1106T runs on the MikroTik RouterOS platform and by combining it with the latest Intel technology, it is the next-generation commercial-grade gigabit router. Based on the latest Intel 82574L Gigabit Chipset and utilizing 6 independent Intel gigabit controllers and a multi-core CPU, it's possible to achieve over 200,000pps. The product provides performance up to 3 times faster than MikroTik's flagship product, the RB/1100. RouterMaxx 1106T competes directly with MikroTik RB/1100, Cisco and LinkTech PowerRouterT. Brian Vargyas, Managing Director at Baltic Networks, said: "We felt that there was a need to bring in the next generation gigabit router to the market, given that the existing products on the market are all based on the technology that is either out of date or not providing enough port power for commercial-grade applications. Teaming up with MikroTik and MaxxWave, this next product represents a further step ahead in Baltic Networks' strategy, aimed at providing low-cost and ready-to-deploy solutions." RouterMaxx 6T Features: - Fanless Desktop Size - 1U Rackmount Bracket Optional - Runs RouterOS V5+ - Level 4 RouterOS license included - 1.6Ghz Dual Core Intel Atom Processor - 6 Intel 82574L / 82583V Gigabit controllers (Supports Jumbo Frames) - 1 GB DDR2 800 RAM - 1 mPCI-E internal slot for expansion (3G/4G Wireless Cards) - 2 GB Flash - 2 USB 2.0 Ports - 1 RJ45 Console Port (Includes RJ45 to DB9 Console Cable) - 1 2.5" Open HDD Spaces -- Includes SATA Cables - Use for Web Proxy Cache - MTBF over 100,000 Hours - Low power consumption of 15Watts (+2 Watts per port running) Power: 100-240Vac, .5-3A, 50/60Hz (12Vdc 5A Max) Tested Operational Temperature: -20C to 70C Dimensions: 1.4"H x 7.4"W x 5.7"D Weight: 2.6lb About Baltic Networks Baltic Networks offers a complete line of products and design solutions for broadband wireless and mobile internet. We are an authorized distributor of MikroTikT, Ubiquiti NetworksT , SAF Tehnika, Tranzeo Wireless, MaxxWave, RF Elements, and MTI Wireless Edge, and Ruckus Wireless products including routers, antennas and embedded solutions for hotspots, VoIP and sensor networks. Configuration, support and network engineering services by Certified MikroTik SpecialistsT are available for all products that we sell. As consultants, we offer a full spectrum of network engineering services, with in-depth expertise for hotspot design and deployment. Our mission is to provide low-cost and high-value networking solutions to help make our clients' business competitive without sacrificing reliability. For more information about Baltic Networks, visit: http://www.balticnetworks.com 2380A Prospect Drive Aurora, IL 60502 USA Tel. 888.929.3610 (Toll Free) Tel. 630.929.3610 (International) <http://www.balticnetworks.com> www.balticnetworks.com Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org <><> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ ---
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -
You should have known that! We are facebook friends! Where were you hiding all these years Josh? I have been active on the lists since 2004 and don't ever remember seeing your name, but just out of no-where you seem to have appeared and already know everything and now I am seeing your name all over the place, all the lists, whats up with that? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! On Jan 26, 2011 9:59 AM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > 18? Damn, he beat me then. I was only 22. :-p > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > On 1/26/2011 8:24 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: >> >> Kurt was one of our first members signing up at WISPNOG in Chicago in >> 2005. He was 18 at the time I think. He took a few years off and >> came back last summer joining at the Summer Regional Meeting. It is >> good to have you back! You have been an impressive young entrepreneur >> to watch. I think you won a pretty nice door prize at the St. Louis >> Meeting didn't you? >> >> Rick >> >> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:16 AM >> *To:* 'WISPA General List' >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) >> >> Rick, I look forward to paying my WISPA dues this summer, it is one >> investment I know that will have a much higher ROI than anything else. >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> >> Wavelinc Communications >> >> P.O. Box 126 >> >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> >> http://www.wavelinc.com >> >> 419-562-6405 >> >> Sent from Microsoft Outlook >> >> >> >> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM >> *To:* 'WISPA General List' >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) >> >> Kurt, >> >> You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. >> Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about >> everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to >> be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC >> and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there >> through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices >> in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we >> maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member >> offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative >> of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses >> incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low >> overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to >> lobbying type efforts. >> >> For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year >> were almost $100,000. >> >> I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the >> industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our >> efforts. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> *Rick Harnish* >> >> Executive Director >> >> WISPA >> >> 260-307-4000 cell >> >> 866-317-2851 WISPA Office >> >> Skype: rick.harnish. >> >> rharn...@wispa.org >> >> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM >> *To:* 'WISPA General List' >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) >> >> Rick, >> >> I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I >> had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running >> WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP >> compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty >> much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is >> getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and >> FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that i
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -
Lets all unite and take over the world! Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Punk kids unite!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ <> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Canada regulator OKs metered Internet billing
Looks like Netflix is taking down the Canadians too. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/canada-regulator-oks-metered-internet-billing-20110 125-150349-137.html Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook <><> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC Pushes Public Safety Broadband Network
http://www.firehouse.com/topic/technology-and-communications/fcc-pushes-publ ic-safety-broadband-network most interesting part was this line: The FCC is currently seeking public comment on issues including the architectural vision of the network; interconnectivity between networks; network robustness, resiliency and security; and roaming and priority access among public safety broadband networks. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook <> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem
I second this theory. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem It could be mobile military radars or during National Guard exercises, etc. What freqs are you using in the band? Does your mountain installation overlook any military training areas? On 2/7/2011 9:11 AM, Bret Clark wrote: > That's what I'm thinking but you'd think it would be happening > continuously. Yet we'll go several months without so much as a peep and > then boom...we are in interference hell. Had the problem again this > weekend, started Friday night, on and off all weekend, then Sunday night > everything is find again. I'm running out of hair to pull out of my head > at this point! > > Bret > > On 02/07/2011 12:05 PM, Jack Unger wrote: >> Bret, >> >> Sure sounds like radar to me. >> >> jack >> >> >> On 2/7/2011 5:18 AM, Bret Clark wrote: >>> It's not the clients having the problem so much as it's the base which >>> is up on a mountain with the radio another 100 feet in the air. I don't >>> think this is a consumer device causing the problem. >>> >>> On 02/07/2011 03:10 AM, RickG wrote: >>>> There are plenty of 5GHz home routers as well ;( >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: >>>>> 5ghz cordless phone system and just the right magic path. In one case >>>>> it was only a issue when one of the cars were home, but not when the >>>>> 2nd was also there (car vs jacked up truck). >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Bret Clark wrote: >>>>>> I saw someone mention a problem in the 900MHz yesterday, but would >>>>>> anyone have any ideas as too what could be causing a problem in the 5GHz >>>>>> range? And I'm talking the entire 5GHz range (5-6GHz). At random times >>>>>> throughout the day our 5GHz customer get knocked off by what looks like >>>>>> a frequency hopping system putting out some serious power. The >>>>>> frustrating thing is that it's not consistent, but very random. We can >>>>>> go weeks without problems and then we get nailed, mostly on the weekends >>>>>> or evenings, but very rarely during business hours! The randomness of >>>>>> the problem has made tracking it nearly impossible. We are pulling our >>>>>> hair out as to what could be causing it. We've contact all other >>>>>> operators on the tower, none of them seem to be the culprit, even >>>>>> contacted BAE systems down the street that works on military radar, but >>>>>> they say they are not doing anything. >>>>>> >>>>>> Right now I'd take any idea/suggestion no matter how crazy they maybe! >>>>>> >>>>>> Bret >>>>>> >>>>>> Bret Clark >>>>>> Spectra Access >>>>>> 25 Lowell Street >>>>>> Manchester, NH 03101 >>>>>> www.spectraaccess.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>>> >>>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>>> >>>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>> >>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>> >>>>> A
Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses
IPV6 will make Usage Based Billing even more important to implement. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 10:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses Yes, it would appear we are going to have to build our networks to support what the customer wants rather than limit what they can do because our infrastructure won't support. On 2/8/2011 10:10 AM, Matt wrote: >> I am not sure I agree with the conclusion. I think we are going to see >> some new applications that use some of the things that IPv6 offers, like >> multi-cast and any-cast in ways we can not imagine, yet. When they do >> and the consumer demand comes, the SOHO router market will catch. ISPs >> better be ready. > The biggest thing I see is "NO MORE NAT". The XBox, PS3, WII, etc. > all have there own public IPv6 IP. No more UPnP, NAT Type etc. And > the worst part is P2P will work better having a public IP as well. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ <> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NSM2 & StarOS
Tranzeo joined the 10mhz party about a year ago with a simple firmware upgrade to the CPQ/SL units. Before that only their newer SL2 radios with a specific mini-PCI card had the option to do 10mhz And even that was only about 18-months prior to now. I will say though that the 10mhz Tranzeo's plays quite nice with a Mikrotik AP and I am getting about 8-9mbps to clients within 2 miles. This has enabled me to "survive" a little longer before upgrading the network. I will say if Tranzeo hadn't have added the 10mhz when they did I would really be hurtin but it came along just at the right time and squeeze some more life outa these ugly white square's that everyone hates. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:40 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NSM2 & StarOS AFAIK only Ubnt and Mikrotik are the two to cooperate in 10 Mhz channels. I have read that Tranzeo joined this 10 Mhz party. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: ... Sorry for short answer there is more info if you search the UBNT Forums. short / quick:- Don't use Airmax (Airmax off) Setup for 20mhz channels.. (other channel sizes may not be compatible). There is a bunch of ifs' and but's here.. the big question is what is it you are trying to do ? Transition ? or trying to make them all work together ? Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet& Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 2/8/2011 11:13 AM, Roger Howard wrote: > So I've heard of several people now who are running StarOS APs who > have started to use Ubiquiti products for CPE. I've tried several > times and the NSM2 won't connect. What am I doing wrong? > > I understand Aggregate needs to be turned off on the CPE. > > I'm running 1.5.15.3b on the AP and I'm running 5.3 on the CPE. > > I'm using 10Mhz channels. > > I can see the AP in a site survey, but it won't associate. > > I've tried turning off superA/G and other special features on the AP. > > Can anyone think what I'm missing? > > Thanks, > Roger > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ <> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed
A quick note on PR. The operator(s) there has run foot loose and fancy free with the rules for as long as I can remember. Perhaps it's time to fine them at a high enough level that it puts them out of business? Kind of a 3 strikes your out thing Probably cause down there everyone is running 4 watt Hyperlink Amps on 2.4ghz, 5.8ghz sounds like its prob trashed too and so only thing left is 5.4 that's why they are getting so many probs on it. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 12:50 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed The proper fix for this problem is a visit from the enforcement guys, and a nasty fine for repeat offenders. After that, what would be so hard about using sensing and DFS (done right this time) to cause systems near the radars to notch out the 110mhz of spectrum while not bothering anyone else? The radar systems are well known, should be an easy signal to detect. The radios already tend to send a LOT of data back and forth, radio name, signal levels, speed, language, channel used etc. etc. etc. Certainly any radio that turns on could sense for 30 seconds, if it detects a TDWR signal at a certain threshold, then report than back to the AP and the AP could then lock out the needed channels for that particular location. This should be able to be done via a firmware upgrade to any legacy or new hardware out there. Cheap, relatively easy, fixes the problem and does NOT take away 110mhz of newly acquired spectrum from the rest of the country. A quick note on PR. The operator(s) there has run foot loose and fancy free with the rules for as long as I can remember. Perhaps it's time to fine them at a high enough level that it puts them out of business? Kind of a 3 strikes your out thing. marlon - Original Message - From: "Jack Unger" To: ; "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 1:47 PM Subject: [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed In spite of the noteworthy efforts on the part of many WISP operators and in spite of a temporary decrease in the levels of TDWR interference reported to us by the FCC, the TDWR interference situation has unfortunately deteriorated. The FCC now reports that some locations (New York, Chicago, Denver and Dallas) that were recently "cleared" of interference are once again experiencing significant interference problems. The TDWR interference in San Juan Puerto Rico is so bad that the TDWR system had to be shut off by the FAA. This is not good news because the FAA is pushing the FCC to solve these interference problems once and for all. Voluntary database registration has unfortunately not proven to be effective enough. There are still some operators who apparently have not heard about the TDWR interference problem and some who have simply failed to bring and keep their systems in compliance. On the supply-chain side, there are several manufacturers and distributors who did take positive, affirmative and responsible action to help address the problem however they were they in the minority. Most manufacturers and distributors did not "step up to the plate" with customer education or software upgrades. Because airline safety is a very important issue, it only takes a few "bad actors" to cause significant problems for everyone else. The FCC is under strong pressure to take steps to solve the interference problem for good. The FCC Office of Engineering and Technology has started drafting a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM). We don't know yet what new rules the FCC will propose. They could require that the 5570 to 5680 frequency range be "notched out" for all new equipment. This would mean that we would lose the use of 110 MHz of spectrum. Another possibility is that TDWR database registration will be required of all WISPs instead the current voluntary registration for WISPs located near TDWRs. A third possibility is that all new equipment might have to automatically log into a geo-location database (similar to the TV White Space database) and receive a list of allowable frequencies. Nearby TDWR frequencies and a guard band around the TDWR frequency range would be prohibited. The FCC OET has agreed to meet with us to listen to and discuss our suggestions about ways to address the problem and what new rules should be proposed in the NPRM. I've prepared a short online survey for WISPA Members to see what new rules they prefer and what suggestions they have. Please take a few minutes today to review this survey and give me your feedback
Re: [WISPA] Extra Canopy 900 SMs
i am intereated too Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2011, at 8:56 AM, "Scott Piehn" wrote: > Just wondering if there is a market and how much for Canopy 900 SMs. > > We have 100 or so extra due to upgrades to get higher speed > > > - > Scott Piehn > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 802.11n 2.4GHz AP card that will fall back to 20MHzchannels for some clients?
When you are using anything 802.11N as an AP the backwards compatibility with legacy 802.11G stuff is limited to 20mhz channels only. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 802.11n 2.4GHz AP card that will fall back to 20MHzchannels for some clients? I'm presently using UBNT M gear as 2.4GHz APs. I've found that all client devices can connect on 20MHz channels and only some clients can connect on 40MHz channels. I also found that when the UBNT gear is in 40MHz channel mode it doesn't fall back to 20MHz for the clients that can't do 40MHz channels as some other brand APs do. Is there an RF card that can be used with an MT board that does 40MHz channels and will fall back to 20MHz channels for the clients that can't do 40MHz? I'd rather stay all UBNT for RF but it doesn't appear they have something that can do this. Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ <> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower
You wanna look at American Tower http://www.amertower.com <http://www.amertower.com/> We just put up one of their Standard Duty 120 footers. About half the cost of Rohn and I think it's a better built tower. Wind loading specs were higher on them too than the Rohn. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 5:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower Hello, We're looking for a 150' free standing tower. Who do you guys go to for those? We've only really used Rohn in the past, and they don't really seem to have those. Kevin <> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower
My cost on the Standard Duty 120 foot self supporter is $11,814 That includes the anchor bolts and base cage frame Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 7:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower Cost for just the tower? Travis Microserv On 4/25/2011 4:46 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: You wanna look at American Tower http://www.amertower.com <http://www.amertower.com/> We just put up one of their Standard Duty 120 footers. About half the cost of Rohn and I think it's a better built tower. Wind loading specs were higher on them too than the Rohn. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 5:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower Hello, We're looking for a 150' free standing tower. Who do you guys go to for those? We've only really used Rohn in the past, and they don't really seem to have those. Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ <> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 6 foot 6ghz antenna rule
I agree with Lonnie. Kurt Fankhauser WaveLinc www.wavelinc.com 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 > APC is useless if the antennas are not aimed properly or the distance > is excessive for the antenna gain. These conditions will cause the > transmitters to pump out full volume, and if the antennas are your > lower gain variety that means spraying noise everywhere. > > I would recommend leaving the nice tight 6 foot dishes. That simple > rule keeps the band clean for those long distance shots, instead of > polluting it for close in shots. > > You guys have to start asking yourself what you are doing wrong if you > continually need more bands. The growing trend to higher power and > wide beam antennas has to stop. We are now doing a shot with 3 foot > antennas and the CM9 Atheros radios in the 5 GHz band that is just > over 52 miles and pulling -71 to -77 dB (variance through the day), > yet I see people lining and almost drooling for the 400 mW high power > cards. > > In short, most guys have little RF knowledge and they naturally take > the easy way. I would expect to see 400 mW cards and patch antennas > if the rules get changed as you are proposing. > > I say that is a mistake. > > Regards, > Lonnie > > > On 8/4/05, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > For those that don't know, the 6 gig band is licensed ptp only. It's a > > pretty cheap license and you can get a LOT of throughput for very long > > distances. > > > > For short (less than 50 miles :-) the 6' antenna requirement often kills the > > deal because of size limits on what towers can handle. Or the building > > owner doesn't want such large antennas etc. > > > > Certainly for something that just shoots a mile or three up the road it's a > > tough rule to deal with. > > > > I'm not exactly sure how to go about it but I've got the name of the person > > at the FCC that'll help us if we'd like to request a rule change. > > > > I'd like to suggest that we push for elimination of the 6' antenna rule for > > the 6 gig band. If people are worried about undue interference in the band > > due to the wider beam antennas we could toss out an APC (automatic power > > control) requirement to use smaller antennas. > > > > Thoughts? > > Marlon > > (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales > > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services > > 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! > > 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) > > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > > > > > > > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > -- > Lonnie Nunweiler > Valemount Networks Corporation > http://www.star-os.com/ > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > Kurt Fankhauser WaveLinc www.wavelinc.com 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cancelling Accounts
Never had a customer cancel the service. > Kurt Fankhauser WaveLinc www.wavelinc.com 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Emailing: IMG_1902.JPG, IMG_1904.JPG, IMG_1905.JPG
I hope you guys took that day off from doing installs. :) Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 3:05 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Emailing: IMG_1902.JPG, IMG_1904.JPG, IMG_1905.JPG Some days you just gotta love this business! sigh The grid is not in use (another reason not to use the dang things though!) but the others are. The conditions that did this have been hanging around for about three weeks now. The ap with the square antenna on it had really low signal levels at the customers, I changed it out anyway since that's what I was up there for. I'm guessing that it was mostly the frost that messed it up though. laters, marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
60ghz Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? For around $1000 a month I think you can get a 1 gbps wireless link from Gigabeam, that would work for that distance I think. Atlas has been working great for us, using 5.3 for that short distance, you likely can get the full 54 mbps. We are getting about 36 mbps throughout for a 14 mile link we have live. But then again that does not meet the spec you are asking for of 50mbps full duplex. You probably can use one of the Tsunami radios that bond several 5.3 channels, or the YDI ElinkIIs that I think use double channels (FDD). None of these will give you the FULL 50 mbps Full duplex you are asking for though. I think they peak out around 30 mbps full Duplex real throughput. Because your range is so close, maybe you should jump up to 23 Ghz? Although you probably can't pull that off for 8 grand. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? >I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul >radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. >It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg >half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is >pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or >so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main >connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong >message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town >selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. > Scriv > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/207 - Release Date: 12/19/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 48 volt power supplies
RFlinx has 48v POE supplies 60watts. www.rflinx.com Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 6:37 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 48 volt power supplies Can anyone hook me up with a source for the 48 volt supplies? I need to buy some of those DS3 to Ethernet converters and they require that supply. I have never seen them before and need a source. Also, does anyone have a manual and/or drawings of the PCOM radios we are buying? I need to start reading up on these radios to make sure I know what all I need to get them installed. Please help if you have a source of information on them. If any of you have experience with the PCOMs and DS3 to Ethernet converters I would like to pick your brain on a few things. Many thanks, Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.3/209 - Release Date: 12/21/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FW: mobile platforms
I am currently testing the ability to have a mobile network. Currently I have STAROS running an access point with a 1 watt rflinx agc amp and 9db pac wireless vertical omni. This puts my power output right at 36db (counting -3db for connectors) and I set the SSID to “hotspot – wavelinc.com” I am trying to see how well this works by leaving it open for a while and get some comments on it. I have lit up the whole town square off of a 35 foot tv tower and I can go about 2-3 blocks in any direction and still have signal in the -70’s If I was on the Fire Departments 100’ tower right beside me I can only imagine how well this is going to work. I am thinking about lighting up the entire business district in town, I think it would only take about 4 AP’s and just leave them open and only give people 128k download and tell them if they want more download they can pay. I would eventually like to have a 900mhz system for the County Sheriff to run off and they would pay big if I could get coverage throughout the entire county. I am thinking I can do some tricks with some 1 watt amps in the 900mhz spectrum. Has anyone had experience with the 900mhz Motorola platform and Is it capable of registering to different AP’s on the fly without having to set it in the SM??? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP
I do that too, 3 competitors have towers all within ¼ mile of each other, I put their ssid in my AP but turn the broadcast off, their clients associate to me and I deny all their access so when they try to hook up customers it looks like their connected but they cant figure out why it doesn’t work, keeps them from signing up clients in my area. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:12 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP actually, I was kidding about the competitor thing, wanted to see if it'd start a fire. It's something I'd thought of, but you can't route based on Virtual AP SSID Having an invididual hotspot page per virtual SSID would be cool, on a wholesale level... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP What happens when a potential customer sees the competition's name? They call the competitor who says, "We don't do that." Then what, do you get called by the competitor? I guess my question is, how does advertising the competitor's name help you? I like the wholesale idea though. I may have to pursue that in the future. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, because Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe! -- Original Message --- From: Rick Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:15:08 -0500 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP > Yep, I create virtual SSIDs for all my competitors names (they only do DSL) :) > > I also wholesale service off one of my towers via 2.4 and 900 mhz to a local computer guy that likes to see his name "in the air" - > the virtual SSID thing was a natural win... > > Not sure about the broadcast thing...haven't seen a performance hit because of the virtual ssid's ... > R > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:57 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Virtual AP > > Mikrotik APs have the capability to create a "Virtual AP" with a secondary SSID, but I haven't found much documentation about it. > > Has anyone used this feature much? I could see this being useful during a transitional period, while you are changing the SSID, so > you can access the CPE with the "old" ssid. > I could also see this being useful for colocating two companies on the same tower/AP, like if you have an ISP geared toward > residential service, and another company name/marketing scheme for business customers. > I don't know what kind of performance impact there is when you create a bunch of APs on one radio. > > I had a wierd thought about this, however: If I have 40 clients on an AP, and set up 40 "virtual AP's" on the network with each > client on his own SSID, do they count as 40 PTP links, allowing me to kick up the antenna gain like with the CPE? > > Does the virtual AP really broadcast a secondary SSID, or does it switch between the two rapidly, kind of like a poor man's Time > Division Multiplexing. > > Pete Davis > NoDial.net > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP
Lol, just seeing what your thoughts were, I only run STAR OS on my AP's so I couldn't do it if I wanted too. I couldn't help saying it though, it was such a neat little idea. I'm glad to know the option is there though if I or you ever need it. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP I don't know...I think its kind of a cute idea! :-) OK...But as a board member I cannot condone such business tactics. Play fair now. As you were.. -B- Tom DeReggi wrote: > I have to agree with John. I can't see the benefit of resorting to > those type of poor neighbor policies. First off, I'd be embaressed to > admit it openly on the list. Second you are borderlining on legality. > You just provided evidence that you purposely attempt to degrade > another businesses ability to do business, where you'd likely lose now > in a suit for tortuous interference (or what ever that is called), if > ever taken up against you. Secondly, anything you do to them, > ultimately can be done back to you, if they get work of your tactics. > > Its been proven many time over, that friendly neighbor policies far > better mutually benefit WISPs. I'd advise re-tinking your strategy. > > At minimum, if the goal was to get your competitors's clients to > associate to you, the las tthing you'd want to point out to them is > that your network would be vulnerable to the same tactics that your > neighbor was. You expose the flaws in Wifi, and you ALSO provide wifi. > If you insisted on tactics to steal their association, you'd be much > better off, having their clients connect to you, and then you pass > them to your captive portal signup page, with a splash page for better > rates and/or performance options, with an option to continue at low > bandwdith. The last thing you want to do is play Thug tactics, (sorta > like mafia protection money), stating we are the ones destroying your > ability to use the Internet, pay us, or don't communicate at all. No > one wants to buy service from someone that they've developed animosity > towards. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:27 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP > > >> Short of frustrating potential customers I cannot fathom what >> positive effect this process has. Please enlighten me how this is a >> good thing to do. >> Scriv > -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US & Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP
Good quesion Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP How can I avoid my competition doing this to me? Hide SSID and change it every so often? Tom DeReggi wrote: > I have to agree with John. I can't see the benefit of resorting to > those type of poor neighbor policies. First off, I'd be embaressed to > admit it openly on the list. Second you are borderlining on legality. > You just provided evidence that you purposely attempt to degrade > another businesses ability to do business, where you'd likely lose now > in a suit for tortuous interference (or what ever that is called), if > ever taken up against you. Secondly, anything you do to them, > ultimately can be done back to you, if they get work of your tactics. > > Its been proven many time over, that friendly neighbor policies far > better mutually benefit WISPs. I'd advise re-tinking your strategy. > > At minimum, if the goal was to get your competitors's clients to > associate to you, the las tthing you'd want to point out to them is > that your network would be vulnerable to the same tactics that your > neighbor was. You expose the flaws in Wifi, and you ALSO provide wifi. > If you insisted on tactics to steal their association, you'd be much > better off, having their clients connect to you, and then you pass > them to your captive portal signup page, with a splash page for better > rates and/or performance options, with an option to continue at low > bandwdith. The last thing you want to do is play Thug tactics, (sorta > like mafia protection money), stating we are the ones destroying your > ability to use the Internet, pay us, or don't communicate at all. No > one wants to buy service from someone that they've developed animosity > towards. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:27 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP > > >> Short of frustrating potential customers I cannot fathom what >> positive effect this process has. Please enlighten me how this is a >> good thing to do. >> Scriv >> >> >> Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >> >>> I do that too, 3 competitors have towers all within ¼ mile of each >>> other, I put their ssid in my AP but turn the broadcast off, their >>> clients associate to me and I deny all their access so when they try >>> to hook up customers it looks like their connected but they cant >>> figure out why it doesnt work, keeps them from signing up clients >>> in my area. >>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser >>> >>> WAVELINC >>> >>> 114 S. Walnut St. >>> >>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>> >>> 419-562-6405 >>> >>> www.wavelinc.com >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Rick Smith >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:12 AM >>> *To:* 'WISPA General List' >>> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP >>> >>> actually, I was kidding about the competitor thing, wanted to see if >>> it'd start a fire. It's something I'd thought of, but you can't >>> route based on Virtual AP SSID >>> >>> Having an invididual hotspot page per virtual SSID would be cool, on >>> a wholesale level... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:44 AM >>> *To:* WISPA General List >>> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP >>> >>> What happens when a potential customer sees the competition's name? >>> They call the competitor who says, "We don't do that." Then what, do >>> you get called by the competitor? >>> I guess my question is, how does advertising the competitor's name >>> help you? >>> >>> I like the wholesale idea though. I may have to pursue that in the >>> future. >>> >>> Scott Reed >>> Owner >>> NewWays >
RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP
"...if you think for one minute you are slowing them down or keeping them out of a specific territory by doing this.." Thats why god invented the canopy cluster... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP It is as simple as knowing the MAC addy of your Access Point. You would have to be either pretty stupid or a complete Newbie to the wireless world to let a fake SSID trip you up. Kurt - - if you think for one minute you are slowing them down or keeping them out of a specific territory by doing this - - you are the Newbie :-) Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Tom DeReggi wrote: >> How can I avoid my competition doing this to me? > > > Yes, Hide SSID. However, that does not help, if you are offering a > self signup service where seeing the SSID is what brings in the > subscriber in the first place. I suggest Virtual APs, so monthly > subscribers can be transitioned to a different SSID. In other words > advertise one, and then after you qualify them and have their contact > info, mail them a new preferred SSID to use, that is not broadcasted. > > But the only real thing you can do about it is to deploy gear that > does not have that limitation. One of the reasons, we deploy Trango, > that has connection security built in. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:17 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP > > >> How can I avoid my competition doing this to me? Hide SSID and >> change it every so often? >> >> Tom DeReggi wrote: >> >>> I have to agree with John. I can't see the benefit of resorting to >>> those type of poor neighbor policies. First off, I'd be embaressed >>> to admit it openly on the list. Second you are borderlining on >>> legality. You just provided evidence that you purposely attempt to >>> degrade another businesses ability to do business, where you'd >>> likely lose now in a suit for tortuous interference (or what ever >>> that is called), if ever taken up against you. Secondly, anything >>> you do to them, ultimately can be done back to you, if they get work >>> of your tactics. >>> >>> Its been proven many time over, that friendly neighbor policies far >>> better mutually benefit WISPs. I'd advise re-tinking your strategy. >>> >>> At minimum, if the goal was to get your competitors's clients to >>> associate to you, the las tthing you'd want to point out to them is >>> that your network would be vulnerable to the same tactics that your >>> neighbor was. You expose the flaws in Wifi, and you ALSO provide >>> wifi. If you insisted on tactics to steal their association, you'd >>> be much better off, having their clients connect to you, and then >>> you pass them to your captive portal signup page, with a splash page >>> for better rates and/or performance options, with an option to >>> continue at low bandwdith. The last thing you want to do is play >>> Thug tactics, (sorta like mafia protection money), stating we are >>> the ones destroying your ability to use the Internet, pay us, or >>> don't communicate at all. No one wants to buy service from someone >>> that they've developed animosity towards. >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:27 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP >>> >>> >>>> Short of frustrating potential customers I cannot fathom what >>>> positive effect this process has. Please enlighten me how this is a >>>> good thing to do. >>>> Scriv >>>> >>>> >>>> Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >>>> >>>>> I do that too, 3 competitors have towers all within ¼ mile of each >>>>> other, I put their ssid in my AP b
RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing - Triple Play
Is there a company that you can buy VoIP service from and then resell it to your customers? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing - Triple Play Anyone got a way to offer triple play via wireless yet? I heard of someone working on a product but no idea if anything has been released yet. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: 28 December 2005 14:38 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing - Triple Play If you are going to be Resi, then get a DISH or DTV distributorship and sell them Your VoIP and your Internet and the DBS service. Won't be one bill, but it can be one call. Tom DeReggi wrote: > Verizon has been advertising FIOS hard in our markets to, but its been > over 6 month for some, since advertsied and no FIOS. FIOS is expensive > to buildout, and they need a certain number of pre-signed up > subscribers to do it. Its hard to convince people to get rif of their > satelite and cabled TV. There is security in not being locked down to > a signle provider for ALL services. I can see it now, someone gets > behind on their phone bill, and all a sudden the TV gets turned off, > the broadband gets turned off, and the PHONE. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.8/215 - Release Date: 27/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.8/215 - Release Date: 27/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Physical Seperation
20mhz separation Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:24 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Physical Seperation Anyone have a good rule of thumb for physical separation of dishes? Looking at installing 3 short masts on a water tower with 2 dishes on each mast. 1 will be horizontal and 1 vertical and both will be 5GHz. Is there a recommendation on how far the 2 antennas should physically be apart to minimize interference? Cheers, P. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.8/215 - Release Date: 27/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP
I did it to expose the problems associated with 802.11b/g which is a technology that was NOT designed for what it is being used for today. I think several people on the list realized what tricks can be done with the SSID and now they are smarter because I posted it. The whole point of the post is that you need to use a proprietary solution that was designed for WISP usage. If you were a professional WISP you would be using such solution and thus YOU and YOUR customers would not be subject to someone doing this to you. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP Kurt Your killing me. This has to be the lowest underhanded thing I've heard on these list from a fellow wisp. The goal to win is a fine goal, but winning by cheating is not a win at all, it's an admission of failure. You need to understand that integrity and success go hand in hand. Shaking my head. George And I only let you off lightly because your a young kid, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > I do that too, 3 competitors have towers all within ¼ mile of each > other, I put their ssid in my AP but turn the broadcast off, their > clients associate to me and I deny all their access so when they try to > hook up customers it looks like their connected but they cant figure out > why it doesnt work, keeps them from signing up clients in my area. > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > WAVELINC > > 114 S. Walnut St. > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > 419-562-6405 > > www.wavelinc.com > > > > -Original Message- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *On Behalf Of *Rick Smith > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:12 AM > *To:* 'WISPA General List' > *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP > > > > actually, I was kidding about the competitor thing, wanted to see if > it'd start a fire. It's something I'd thought of, but you can't route > based on Virtual AP SSID > > > > Having an invididual hotspot page per virtual SSID would be cool, on a > wholesale level... > > > > > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:44 AM > *To:* WISPA General List > *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP > > What happens when a potential customer sees the competition's name? They > call the competitor who says, "We don't do that." Then what, do you get > called by the competitor? > I guess my question is, how does advertising the competitor's name help > you? > > I like the wholesale idea though. I may have to pursue that in the future. > > Scott Reed > Owner > NewWays > Wireless Networking > Network Design, Installation and Administration > www.nwwnet.net <http://www.nwwnet.net/> > > The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, because > Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe! > > *-- Original Message ---* > From: Rick Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:15:08 -0500 > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP > >> Yep, I create virtual SSIDs for all my competitors names (they only do > DSL) :) >> >> I also wholesale service off one of my towers via 2.4 and 900 mhz to a > local computer guy that likes to see his name "in the air" - >> the virtual SSID thing was a natural win... >> >> Not sure about the broadcast thing...haven't seen a performance hit > because of the virtual ssid's ... >> R >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Pete Davis >> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:57 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Virtual AP >> >> Mikrotik APs have the capability to create a "Virtual AP" with a > secondary SSID, but I haven't found much documentation about it. >> >> Has anyone used this feature much? I could see this being useful > during a transitional period, while you are changing the SSID, so >> you can access the CPE with the "old" ssid. >> I could also see this being useful for colocating two companies on the > same tower/AP, like if you have an ISP geared toward >> residential service, and another company name/marketing scheme for > busi
RE: Re[2]: [WISPA] Virtual AP
Lol, churchofwifi.org look at this group of war drivers they seem to be hung up on linksys, outdoor linksys enclosure's and other consumer grade wifi boxes. Check out the War Driving rig. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Haudy Kazemi Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 9:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: Re[2]: [WISPA] Virtual AP It might interest people here that Kismet is no longer a Linux-only software. There is now KisWin... http://www.renderlab.net/projects/wrt54g/kiswin.html The caveat is it requires a Linksys WRT54G or WRT54GS or similar to perform the scanning (as a wireless receiver), and the Windows PC displays the output. One should avoid WRT54G version 5 (serial numbers starting with CDFB) (it has half the flash and ram as earlier versions (2mb/8mb), and runs VxWorks) and latest WRT54GS (serial numbers starting with CGN60) (it has half the flash and ram as before (4mb/16mb)). BTW, linksysinfo.org has a review article that compares all the versions of the WRT54G's. At 11:10 AM 12/29/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I've never played around with Kismet...does it show Trango? > >- Original Message - >From: "Barry at Mutual Data" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "WISPA General List" >Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:07 AM >Subject: Re[2]: [WISPA] Virtual AP > > >> Hello Brett, >> >> But it does show up in Kismet. >> >> Barry >> >> Thursday, December 29, 2005, 10:52:01 AM, you wrote: >> >> >> >> BH> I still rest better at night knowing my network doesn't show >> BH> up in every teenager's copy of Netstumbler.. >> >> >> BH> - Original Message - >> >> BH> From: Blair Davis >> >> BH> To: WISPA General List >> >> BH> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:43AM >> >> BH> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP >> >> >> BH> The downside of proprietary systems is the being 'held >> BH> hostage'to the one manufacture As some of us have already >> BH> discovered. >> >> BH> And just because you have a network based on 'proprietary >> BH> system', don't think you are 'safe'. You arenot. >> >> BH> Blair >> >> BH> Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >> BH> I did it to expose the problems associated with 802.11b/g which is a >> BH> technology that was NOT designed for what it is being used for today. >> I >> BH> think several people on the list realized what tricks can be done with >> BH> the SSID and now they are smarter because I posted it. The whole point >> BH> of the post is that you need to use a proprietary solution that was >> BH> designed for WISP usage. If you were a professional WISP you would be >> BH> using such solution and thus YOU and YOUR customers would not be >> subject >> BH> to someone doing this to you. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > >-- >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customer owned wireless coop
Around here most peoples option is DIAL-UP or me. I don't consider this area poor. A lot of farms. People living out in the rural area and drive to their factory jobs/whatever. I have a hard time getting them to pay $199 install and 34.95/month for 768k. I don't know how your gonna charge $50/month to people living in trailers. -Kurt > There is a town (Yorktown, TX) with about 1200 people in it, about 15 > miles away from our main pop in our county. We have not pursued a > backhaul to there, or putting out a POP. We are very busy putting subs > on our existing POPs and maintaining them.We have been offered roof > rights in down town in trade for free internet. > The town is poorer than average (way more mobile homes than frame/brick > homes, more people than average on welfare, etc) > The town is smaller than average, and there aren't many businesses in > the town. > > Nonetheless, we do get at least a new call a week from the 20 or so > people in town interested in broadband. There is no competition, EXCEPT > dsl in the 2 mile circle right in the middle of downtown (not within > most of the population) > > What we were thinking is this: Let us create a wireless cooperative and > let the 20 potential subs buy shares for $500 each. The $10k will buy > them a wireless backhaul (to my main tower), an AP tower, and an AP, 20 > (coop owned) CPE, and enough manpower for us to deploy. The $40/mo (x1.5 > for business customers) that they each pay will go toward buy bandwidth > from us, pay for the manpower needed to deal with service calls, etc. > Any profits left at the end of the year (over a capital equipment fund) > get split with the coop members in the form of a dividend check, and > maybe a barbeque. Maybe the non-coop member subscriber rate could be > $49.00 (x1.5 for business) and they would still pay a $200 setup fee. > Coop members wouldn't need to be subscribers, and subscribers wouldn't > need to be coop members. A part time bookeeper would be needed to keep > everything straight, although we could just keep those records with our > books, but they should be audited anually. > > The Dewitt County Producers Coop is a feed store that sells feed, ranch > supplies, baby chicks, baby fish (for stock tanks), tractor tires and > parts, and other farm-ey stuff. Members and non-members can buy there, > though members get an annual dividend based on their purchases (2% or > something). Its a large operation, but DeWitt County is like the 4th > largest beef cattle producing county in Texas (the largest beef cattle > producing state). They have been very successful, in spite of having > competition, and I think a wireless internet deployment could be > financially modeled the same way. Its not that I don't want to get the > profits for myself, but the return on a $10k (or $20k) deployment could > be several years in a market that small. > > Anyone else doing anything like this? > > Pete Davis > NoDial.net > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > Kurt Fankhauser WaveLinc www.wavelinc.com 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tower Height Regulations
Beside’s local regulations does the FAA/FCC have requirements on the distance your tower is from the roads if it falls. I had someone tell me today that a couple years ago they made a law that if you had a 100’ tower it needed to be 150’ away from the road. And they said that older towers would be grandfathered in. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations
Sounds like I'll be fine cause there isn't an airport close to here. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations There are FAA guidelines about structures under 200 feet near airports but I have not searched for those guidelines. If you Google it and find anything of interest please feel free to pass along to the rest of us here. I remember something about allowing so many feet above AGL (Average Ground Level) for every mile from a runway. Scriv > - Original Message - > *From:* JNA <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* 'WISPA General List' <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:57 AM > *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations > > Did anyone ever respond on this? I am interested as well. > > Thanks, > > John > > > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:44 PM > *To:* wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > *Subject:* [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations > > Beside's local regulations does the FAA/FCC have requirements on > the distance your tower is from the roads if it falls. I had > someone tell me today that a couple years ago they made a law that > if you had a 100' tower it needed to be 150' away from the road. > And they said that older towers would be grandfathered in. > > Kurt Fankhauser > > WAVELINC > > 114 S. Walnut St. > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > 419-562-6405 > > www.wavelinc.com > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/227 - Release Date: 1/11/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Can you believe this?
That doesn’t sound like a good idea, if they even do get it to work they will have a hard time tracking down someone one that is spamming, making viruses, etc. Wonder what those guys were smoking when they thought of that over there in mushroom laboratories? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Can you believe this? January 16, 2006 Sharing Broadband to Increase Speed By JOHN MARKOFF SAN FRANCISCO, Jan. 15 - Two West Coast start-up companies have built new wireless technologies that take to heart Benjamin Franklin's exhortation to hang together rather than hang separately. Both Mushroom Networks, which was started at the University of California, San Diego, and WiBoost Inc., based in Seattle, have built prototypes of simple wireless systems that make it possible for groups of neighbors to share their D.S.L. or cable Internet connections. Both companies said that sharing high-speed lines might enable users in small neighborhood clusters to download files and Web pages up to 10 times faster. The two companies, which developed their technologies separately, are taking slightly different approaches. But in both cases, neighbors would be able to connect relatively standard wireless routers that would permit their computers to receive data in parallel from multiple D.S.L. or cable network connections. The idea is similar to adding lanes to a freeway to improve traffic flow. WiBoost, which is also the name of the company's technology system, now requires an antenna mounted outside the home. The company is exploring ways to license its technology to manufacturers and hopes to make WiBoost devices available for $200 to $300. In flat areas with minimal obstructions, the system might be able to link homes separated by several miles, with do-it-yourself installation. Mushroom Networks is conducting trials using a device called an access point aggregator that is similar to a conventional home Wi-Fi router. It is intended to be used to connect homes or businesses that are closer together. In principle, these technologies could work for a large group of neighbors, even with just a few Internet access points. That capacity - which could reduce the cost of Internet access considerably for its users - could, however, create substantial opposition from Internet service providers. Many of them are vigilant about restricting the sharing of individual network access points. Both companies said they were going to great lengths to assure service providers that they did not plan to become bandwidth Napsters, a reference to the music file-sharing company that raised havoc with the audio recording industry. The idea of linking several Internet data channels for greater speed is not a new one, but exploring a consumer application for the technology is a fresh notion, said Rene L. Cruz, a University of California computer scientist and founder of Mushroom Networks. "We're pretty excited about the concept," he said. "We're looking for validation and we're looking for market demand." The technology has merits, said George Henny, the president of Whidbey Telecom, an independent telecommunications firm based on Whidbey Island, Wash. "There is an interesting potential for this technology," he said, "and it would be fun to put it in place." The concept is related to the concept of wireless mesh networking, a technique that is used to extend Wi-Fi and related wireless networking standards over large areas by relaying Internet data among wireless receivers. In this use, the two firms are exploiting the fact that most computer networks are used in an irregular or "bursty" fashion. Even though large numbers of users download e-mail, Web pages or music and video files, most of the time the networks sit idle, waiting for a computer user to strike a key or issue a command. The capacity utilization rates of modern data networks have long been known to be remarkably low. "Our studies show that, averaged across all users, the utilization is less than 1 percent of the total capacity," said James Baker, president of WiBoost. Telephone companies may oversubscribe the capacity of their D.S.L. lines by an average of 14 to 20 times, said Mr. Cruz, and some researchers estimate that rate to be as high as 200 to 1. But because the networks are so underutilized, they can be used efficiently despite substantial oversubscription. Neither Mr. Cruz nor Mr. Baker is certain of receiving the blessing of Internet service providers, which often go to great lengths to prohibit their customers from sharing service with others. &qu
RE: [WISPA] Can you believe this?
So even if they did get it to work they can’t use it without breaking their contract? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Can you believe this? Well, Kurt, here's a piece of the "Terms of Agreement" that a RoadRunner subscriber contractually agrees to: "Subscriber will not resell the Service, or any portion thereof, or otherwise charge others to use the Service, or any portion thereof. The Service is for personal use only, and Subscriber agrees not to use the Service for operation as an Internet Service Provider, to host web sites for other parties or for any other business enterprise or to connect the cable modem to any server or to any computer outside the Subscriber's premises." . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:28 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Can you believe this? That doesn’t sound like a good idea, if they even do get it to work they will have a hard time tracking down someone one that is spamming, making viruses, etc. Wonder what those guys were smoking when they thought of that over there in mushroom laboratories? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Can you believe this? January 16, 2006 Sharing Broadband to Increase Speed By JOHN MARKOFF SAN FRANCISCO, Jan. 15 - Two West Coast start-up companies have built new wireless technologies that take to heart Benjamin Franklin's exhortation to hang together rather than hang separately. Both Mushroom Networks, which was started at the University of California, San Diego, and WiBoost Inc., based in Seattle, have built prototypes of simple wireless systems that make it possible for groups of neighbors to share their D.S.L. or cable Internet connections. Both companies said that sharing high-speed lines might enable users in small neighborhood clusters to download files and Web pages up to 10 times faster. The two companies, which developed their technologies separately, are taking slightly different approaches. But in both cases, neighbors would be able to connect relatively standard wireless routers that would permit their computers to receive data in parallel from multiple D.S.L. or cable network connections. The idea is similar to adding lanes to a freeway to improve traffic flow. WiBoost, which is also the name of the company's technology system, now requires an antenna mounted outside the home. The company is exploring ways to license its technology to manufacturers and hopes to make WiBoost devices available for $200 to $300. In flat areas with minimal obstructions, the system might be able to link homes separated by several miles, with do-it-yourself installation. Mushroom Networks is conducting trials using a device called an access point aggregator that is similar to a conventional home Wi-Fi router. It is intended to be used to connect homes or businesses that are closer together. In principle, these technologies could work for a large group of neighbors, even with just a few Internet access points. That capacity - which could reduce the cost of Internet access considerably for its users - could, however, create substantial opposition from Internet service providers. Many of them are vigilant about restricting the sharing of individual network access points. Both companies said they were going to great lengths to assure service providers that they did not plan to become bandwidth Napsters, a reference to the music file-sharing company that raised havoc with the audio recording industry. The idea of linking several Internet data channels for greater speed is not a new one, but exploring a consumer application for the technology is a fresh notion, said Rene L. Cruz, a University of California computer scientist and founder of Mushroom Networks. "We're pretty excited about the concept," he said. "We're looking for validation and we're looking for market demand." The technology has merits, said George Henny, the president of Whidbey Telecom, an independent telecommunications firm based on Whidbey Island, Wash. "There is an interesting potential for this technology," he said, "and it would be fun to put it in place." The concept is related to the concept of wir
RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
Charles I hope we don't get kicked off this list for talking about canopy. :) Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Hi Paul, I haven't been paying attention to this thread close enough to know your exact situation, but it is worth noting that there are always extrra headaches to "deal with" when trying to jerry-rig consumer grade hardware Remember the days of KarlNet & ORiNOCO?? Back in those days, when using an AP-1000 per say, it was necessary to clip the built-in dipoles on a PCMCIA card in order to stem "rf bleed" Thank goodness for Canopy / Trango / whatever =) -Charles --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:59 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Reading further through the RadioWaves docs it clearly states that each polarization is isolated from the other so I'm guessing the issue isn't the dishes or feeds. The radios are mount about a foot from the dishes and the RF cable is LMR-400. Is it possible/plausible that the interference is being caused by one radio card receiving the signal directly from the dish as the radios are mounted so close to the dish? Any other ideas? I'm really stuck with this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: 17 January 2006 20:09 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Just checked the specs for the RadioWaves antennas that I'm having the problems with and see that they have 28dB "X-Pol. Rejection" would this suggest that the circuitry controlling the 2 feeds are separate? If so, is there anything else that could be preventing us having 2 separate simultaneous links running through these parabolics? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 17 January 2006 18:51 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Sorry but this whole thread is going sour fast. 1. Dual Polarity antennas work for transmit and receive. They are not TX only or RX only in configuration. 2. The normal isolation between vertical polarity and horizontal polarity can range from 10-30 dB depending on the operating frequency. 3. The biggest issues to using 2 radios on the same dual polarity antenna is the adjacent channel rejection, x-pole polarity, TX power levels and Receiver sensitivity.. 4. 802.XX radios will not work on the same channel because while one radio is transmitting on 5825 GHz. the radio on the other polarity is receiving on the same channel. Considering there is only 10-30 dB of seperation, the radio RX levels will only be reduced by that amount causing receive interference. 5. We have more than 20 dual polarity links running FD radios such as Proxim Tsunamis operating in the same band. Granted, they have much better filtering than the basic 802.XX radio but they work flawlessly.. 6. We presently have 2 DP links in place with 802 style radios. One of the links consists of WRAP/CM9's operating in 5.7-5.8 Ghz. The other has a Proxim MP.11a on one plane and Tranzeo TR-5a on the other. One link is 6.5 miles, the other is 7 miles. There is no desense between radios and both operate fine without interference issues. 7. While Tom may be experiencing the tower rental issues regarding antennas, we have not seen this in the NE. Most leases we have negotiated are based around wind loading on the tower. Like everything, dual polarity antennas have a place like all other equipment. The link just needs to be engineered to operate properly. -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US & Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 16/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 16/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
I paid my WISPA dues last year at WispNOG, I think I was one of the first 5 that paid too. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:30 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Nah, we aren't selling anything, just keep it civil. You guys could pay your dues though, that would help the effort! ;) When is the last time you guys heard from the moderator? Good job! Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Charles I hope we don't get kicked off this list for talking about canopy. :) Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Hi Paul, I haven't been paying attention to this thread close enough to know your exact situation, but it is worth noting that there are always extrra headaches to "deal with" when trying to jerry-rig consumer grade hardware Remember the days of KarlNet & ORiNOCO?? Back in those days, when using an AP-1000 per say, it was necessary to clip the built-in dipoles on a PCMCIA card in order to stem "rf bleed" Thank goodness for Canopy / Trango / whatever =) -Charles --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:59 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Reading further through the RadioWaves docs it clearly states that each polarization is isolated from the other so I'm guessing the issue isn't the dishes or feeds. The radios are mount about a foot from the dishes and the RF cable is LMR-400. Is it possible/plausible that the interference is being caused by one radio card receiving the signal directly from the dish as the radios are mounted so close to the dish? Any other ideas? I'm really stuck with this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: 17 January 2006 20:09 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Just checked the specs for the RadioWaves antennas that I'm having the problems with and see that they have 28dB "X-Pol. Rejection" would this suggest that the circuitry controlling the 2 feeds are separate? If so, is there anything else that could be preventing us having 2 separate simultaneous links running through these parabolics? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 17 January 2006 18:51 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Sorry but this whole thread is going sour fast. 1. Dual Polarity antennas work for transmit and receive. They are not TX only or RX only in configuration. 2. The normal isolation between vertical polarity and horizontal polarity can range from 10-30 dB depending on the operating frequency. 3. The biggest issues to using 2 radios on the same dual polarity antenna is the adjacent channel rejection, x-pole polarity, TX power levels and Receiver sensitivity.. 4. 802.XX radios will not work on the same channel because while one radio is transmitting on 5825 GHz. the radio on the other polarity is receiving on the same channel. Considering there is only 10-30 dB of seperation, the radio RX levels will only be reduced by that amount causing receive interference. 5. We have more than 20 dual polarity links running FD radios such as Proxim Tsunamis operating in the same band. Granted, they have much better filtering than the basic 802.XX radio but they work flawlessly.. 6. We presently have 2 DP links in place with 802 style radios. One of the links consists of WRAP/CM9's operating in 5.7-5.8 Ghz. The other has a Proxim MP.11a on one plane and Tranzeo TR-5a on the other. One link is 6.5 miles, the other is 7 miles. There is no desense between radios and both operate fine without interference issues. 7. While Tom may be experiencing the tower rental issues regarding antennas, we have not seen this in the NE. Most lease
RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
Charles, What equipment did you use to build up your WISP? Also what did you start with and what did you end up with? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Hi, I would recommend that you do some research on the terms "dynamic range" and "front-end compression" as it relates to your particular hardware / radio platform. Understanding those terms / concepts will give you the understanding you need to make your "homebrew" system work Otherwise, if you want to just "plug and pray" your network -- you're better off probably just buying quality name brand products that have enough built-in "safeties" to let one just mindlessly deploy -Charles P.S. -- although I happen to have an understanding of Rf theory, HAM stuff, and Radio engineering, when I ran my WISP, I found that in the long run, it made better business sense to subscribe to a "lazy" WISP "plug-and-pray" mentality due to the fact that I liked knowing that I could focus my core efforts on sales, marketing and customer service. From a deployment side, I could just put some stuff up and have the ability to blame all my system mishaps on my friendly manufacturer / vendor =) --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Ah..Lets do some math... Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output. For this example there is no line loss. The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation. Here we go... +20 dB -30dB xpole = -10 dB receive level. In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the opposite polarityNo??? Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should have receiver blocking... -B- Matt Liotta wrote: > Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of > attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. > Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough > attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably. > > -Matt > > Jason Wallace wrote: > >> List, >> >> When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only "see" >> each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves). However, when they >> are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling. >> Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large >> satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between >> adjacent channels). I think you will always have trouble overloading >> the receiver when transmitting with this setup. > > > -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US & Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.18/230 - Release Date: 1/14/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
Are you using advanced sm's too? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna We have Advantage APs , so we get 14 Mbps out of the System Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna What throughput do you get on these things? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 14:50 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Do some shopping and you can buy SM's for about $250 or less... start at ebay, The new SM lite has a MRSP of $200 on 25 packs, usually you can get a 17 - 20 % discount from most Distributors. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Really?? What models? We only use 5.8GHz and when we looked at Canopy in the past they where expensive and had limited throughput. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 10:53 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Canopy isnt economic viable? Hmmm you can buy SM's @ $250 or less... and now the SM lite is out around $175. Its a tough call not to use Canopy. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output (still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with little to no problems. Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may help on my quest? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Ah..Lets do some math... Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output. For this example there is no line loss. The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation. Here we go... +20 dB -30dB xpole = -10 dB receive level. In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the opposite polarityNo??? Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should have receiver blocking... -B- Matt Liotta wrote: > Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of > attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. > Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough > attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably. > > -Matt > > Jason Wallace wrote: > >> List, >> >> When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only "see" >> each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves). However, when they >> are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling. >> Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large >> satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between >> adjacent channels). I think you will always have trouble overloading >> the receiver when transmitting with this setup. > > > -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US & Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by
RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna
That raises a question that I have been wondering. Since your running advantage APs and non-advantage SM's do you still get 14mbps throughput on the AP but each subscriber can only receive 7mbps throughput. So your delivering 14mbps throughput to your group of associations? Or since your only running non-advantage sm's does the ap only deliver 7mbps throughput to the entire group? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Nop, just regular sm's Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Are you using advanced sm's too? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna We have Advantage APs , so we get 14 Mbps out of the System Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna What throughput do you get on these things? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 14:50 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Do some shopping and you can buy SM's for about $250 or less... start at ebay, The new SM lite has a MRSP of $200 on 25 packs, usually you can get a 17 - 20 % discount from most Distributors. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Really?? What models? We only use 5.8GHz and when we looked at Canopy in the past they where expensive and had limited throughput. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: 18 January 2006 10:53 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Canopy isnt economic viable? Hmmm you can buy SM's @ $250 or less... and now the SM lite is out around $175. Its a tough call not to use Canopy. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output (still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with little to no problems. Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may help on my quest? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna Ah..Lets do some math... Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output. For this example there is no line loss. The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation. Here we go... +20 dB -30dB xpole = -10 dB receive level. In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the opposite polarityNo??? Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should have receiver blocking... -B- Matt Liotta wrote: > Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of > attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. > Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough > attenuation even on the same channe
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Hope that affects the price of everything else, at this point who would by an 802.11a cpe for $250 when you can buy a trango for $150? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Well MAC.Did we find the right news? Or is there more??? Mac Dearman wrote: > Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile > all over! > > Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight > Zone!! > > Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and > wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in > a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! > > > Mac Dearman > Maximum Access, LLC. > Authorized Barracuda Reseller > MikroTik RouterOS Certified > www.inetsouth.com > www.mac-tel.us > Rayville, La. > 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 > 318.303.4229 > > > > -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
What are you talking about they have it posted all over their website $150CPE in 30 packs comes up on the front page. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Tom, Do you really feel it's appropriate to be announcing on a list-serv about upcoming beta products? How many emails / phone calls do you think that generates for Trango on a product that isn't even shipping yet? Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: The beauty is one CPE radio that will talk to both the 5830AP and OFDM Atlas PTMP AP. Atlas AP, wont be till next quarter, from what I understand. The new 900SU, also inexpensive, is shipping Beta this week, so its just around the corner. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! still waiting for 900. G.Villarini wrote: Saw that, cool. Need more details like the form factor? Antenna included ?To what type of AP will it talk to ? regual 5830's or new Atlas AP's ? Got to love atheros chips. Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.aeronetpr.com787.273.4143 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Larry A WeidigSent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:13 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Paul HendrySent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92signal in a NLOS environment? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01To: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Mac DearmanSent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smileall over! Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!! Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long andwide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! Mac DearmanMaximum Access, LLC.Authorized Barracuda ResellerMikroTik RouterOS Certifiedwww.inetsouth.comwww.mac-tel.usRayville, La.318.728.8600318.303.4227318.303.4229--WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- Brian RohrbacherReliable Internet, LLCwww.reliableinter.netCell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Mark, don't you think you think you should be deploying in your 802.11a staros boxes? I would hate to see YOU invest in a proprietary solution. As far as your question these SM's are NOT connectorized and it appears as if the reflector is the only way to boost signal strength for now until another vendor makes a grid or something that you can attach the unit to. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! That's almost enough to interest me. does anyone know if these support an external antenna? That reflector is super-ugly, and without it, they don't go far enough for me. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Larry A Weidig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! > Go to the web site, $149 CPE. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Paul Hendry > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! > > Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92 > signal in a NLOS environment? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01 > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! > > Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > Behalf > > Of Mac Dearman > > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! > > > > Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile > > all over! > > > > Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight > Zone!! > > > > Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and > > wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in > a > > day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! > > > > > > > > Mac Dearman > > Maximum Access, LLC. > > Authorized Barracuda Reseller > > MikroTik RouterOS Certified > > www.inetsouth.com > > www.mac-tel.us > > Rayville, La. > > 318.728.8600 > > 318.303.4227 > > 318.303.4229 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: > 01/16/2006 > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: > 01/16/2006 > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: > 13/01/2006 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/229 - Release Date: > 13/01/2006 > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! MAC
Mac, Mac, Its funny how he can totally dis proprietary solutions on one list and then come over here and hypocritically say "oh, well now that's a good idea." I point it out and now you are jumping on my case. Mac do you hate me because I am younger than you or what? You jumped me on the last list too (your first post after I was gone) Oh, and the reason I got kicked from the other list, I think this is the reasoning: "Charles kicked for trolling" and "Kurt kicked for ganging up with Charles" Ganging up with Charles??? That's too funny. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Whats the deal Kurt? You arent practicing very good list manners over here either. I wonder if you have already gotten that off list notice/warning yet? Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Authorized Barracuda Reseller MikroTik RouterOS Certified www.inetsouth.com www.mac-tel.us Rayville, La. 318.728.8600 318.303.4227 318.303.4229 Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >Mark, don't you think you think you should be deploying in your 802.11a >staros boxes? I would hate to see YOU invest in a proprietary solution. >As far as your question these SM's are NOT connectorized and it appears >as if the reflector is the only way to boost signal strength for now >until another vendor makes a grid or something that you can attach the >unit to. > >Kurt Fankhauser >WAVELINC >114 S. Walnut St. >Bucyrus, OH 44820 >419-562-6405 >www.wavelinc.com > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki >Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:10 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! > >That's almost enough to interest me. > >does anyone know if these support an external antenna? > >That reflector is super-ugly, and without it, they don't go far enough >for >me. > > > > >North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 >personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net >sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net >Fast Internet, NO WIRES! >--- - > >- >- Original Message - >From: "Larry A Weidig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "WISPA General List" >Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:12 AM >Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! > > > > >>Go to the web site, $149 CPE. >> >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >On > > >>Behalf Of Paul Hendry >>Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PM >>To: 'WISPA General List' >>Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! >> >>Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a >> >> >-92 > > >>signal in a NLOS environment? >> >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >On > > >>Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01 >>To: 'WISPA General List' >>Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! >> >>Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? >> >> >> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>On >>Behalf >> >> >>>Of Mac Dearman >>>Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM >>>To: WISPA General List >>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! >>> >>>Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me >>> >>> >smile > > >>>all over! >>> >>>Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight >>> >>> >>Zone!! >> >> >>>Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long >>> >>> >and > > >>>wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will >>> >>> >in > > >>a >> >> >>>day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! >>> >>> >>> >>>Mac Dearman >>>Maximum Access, LLC. >>>Authorized Barracuda Reseller >>>MikroTik RouterOS Certified >>>www.inetsouth.com >>>www.mac-tel.us >>>Rayville, La. >>>318.728.86
RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
What are you using now? What are you trying to accomplish? The first 3 you list are all 802.11a/b/g the last 3 are all proprietary. There are people on this list for every different system you just described, not sure how many people have used them all. I have used StarOS, Mikrotik, and Motorola 5.7 and 2.4 Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. I am looking for some feedback on the following equipment and would like to chat a bit with anyone willing to share your experience with it. Mikrotik based AP/Clients/BH any band StarOS based AP/Clients/BH any band Demarctech AP/Clients/BH any band Motorola Canopy any band Trango 2.4 Waverider 900 Or any similar products besides Tranzeo and Smartbridges. Thanks, Chadd -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900 gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or possibly 5.7 gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. Our network is currently made up of Raylink FHSS Trango 900 Raylink/Brilan DSSS Alvarion 900 Trango Link-10 All in all we have had pretty good luck with all of the above once the bugs were worked out. The real workhorse of our network is Raylink FHSS but we are starting to move away from it due to the bandwidth limitations of FHSS. The raylink/brilan DSSS works fairly well but has some minor irritations with regards to signal strength readouts and I am concerned about future updates and upgrades from them. The alvarion 900 works well but is a pain to install. Trango 900 works well also but offers no indoor installation options and cpe costs are still high. We are going to be setting up a few new pops this year and I would like to try out some new equipment, hopefully something that would work out well enough to use for upgrading our existing network as time goes by. I have looked into MT and StarOS due to the ability to be able to keep the equipment upgraded with software updates and if needed completely replace the software in the future using the same hardware. I also like the thought of having one platform that I could use for 2.4, 5.x and 900 in the future. What I am worried about is going through the hassle of building out all the CPE's keeping the software up to date and the cost is not all that great. I also want something that is aesthetically pleasing, rootennas are not all that attractive. I am also looking for something to put up and forget about. Demarc stuff looks pretty nice and the price is not bad but I had heard of some reliability issues in the past, they may have all been taken care of by now though. I also had a hard time getting a hold of anyone there in the past when I was considering making a purchase. This may have changed also its been a while since I called. Canopy looks attractive do to the one brand all bands and the pricing is tolerable. I am not sure I like being stuck with Vert polarity, its noisy here and it kind of scares me going with proprietary equipment. The Trango 2.4, not really sure why I put this down because it really doesn't seem competitive cost wise. I am interested in what type of performance people are getting out of them though and how they are doing in noisy environments. The 900 is not all that great when it is noisy in my experience. I am interested in the waverider for one particular residential area that would be very nice to have a preconfigured radio for someone to pick up and do a self install indoors. Getting rid of a truck roll and having to have something on the outside of the home. Also looking for a backhaul to try besides the link-10 from trango. Would like to find something in the 5.8 band with similar throughputand latency of trango for the same or less $$. This is another reason I thought about MT, StarOs, Demarc stuff was for multiple radios on the same board so the AP and BH could be the same piece of hardware and software. Just looking for some comments in general about the different options and why you did/didn't pick one over the other. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:33 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. What are you using now? What are you trying to accomplish? The first 3 you list are all 802.11a/b/g the last 3 are all proprietary. There are people on this list for every different system you just described, not sure how many people have used them all. I have used StarOS, Mikrotik, and Motorola 5.7 and 2.4 Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
If your concerned about noise consider Motorola, it has excellent noise rejection, it only needs somewhere around 3db above the noise for your throughput. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:31 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a necessary evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early on and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise floor is fairly high in 5.x around here. It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the time and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution that does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx. Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had two competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS and we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly over the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot about us and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do what it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind sticking with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as customers expect faster and faster connections. It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service based off of recommendations from their neighbors. Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:02 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900 gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or possibly 5.7 gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
I think its 3db for 1X mode at any signal strength and 10db for 2X mode and signal has to be -65 to achieve 2X mode. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. Also that is 3db at -65dbm signal > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Kurt Fankhauser > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:20 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. > > If your concerned about noise consider Motorola, it has excellent noise > rejection, it only needs somewhere around 3db above the noise for your > throughput. > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > 114 S. Walnut St. > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chadd Thompson > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:31 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. > > We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a > necessary > evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early > on > and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise > floor > is fairly high in 5.x around here. > > It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the > time > and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution > that > does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the > spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx. > > Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had > two > competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS > and > we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly > over > the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps > plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot > about us > and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do > what > it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind > sticking > with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as > customers expect faster and faster connections. > > It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get > calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service > based off of recommendations from their neighbors. > > Thanks, > Chadd > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:02 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. > > Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900 > gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or > possibly 5.7 gear. > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > 114 S. Walnut St. > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: > 1/18/2006 > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 01/16/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
How much C/I does it exactly take to achieve throughput at sensitivity? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rcomroe Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. >I think its 3db for 1X mode at any signal strength and 10db for 2X mode >and signal has to be -65 to achieve 2X mode. The "at any signal strength" phrase has never been true (I color changed it to make it stand out in your quote). It's C/I is only low when signals are much higher than sensitivity. For links at the further distance (when signal is near sensitivity) Canopy C/I is much like any other technology. Rich - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. I think its 3db for 1X mode at any signal strength and 10db for 2X mode and signal has to be -65 to achieve 2X mode. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. Also that is 3db at -65dbm signal > -Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Kurt Fankhauser > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:20 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. > > If your concerned about noise consider Motorola, it has excellent noise > rejection, it only needs somewhere around 3db above the noise for your > throughput. > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > 114 S. Walnut St. > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chadd Thompson > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:31 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. > > We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a > necessary > evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early > on > and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise > floor > is fairly high in 5.x around here. > > It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the > time > and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution > that > does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the > spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx. > > Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had > two > competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS > and > we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly > over > the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps > plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot > about us > and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do > what > it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind > sticking > with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as > customers expect faster and faster connections. > > It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get > calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service > based off of recommendations from their neighbors. > > Thanks, > Chadd > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:02 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience.. > > Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900 > gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or > possibly 5.7 gear. > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > 114 S. Walnut St. > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Chec
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Canopy lite 900 will be sub $200 later this year Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Or just cheaper 900Mhz CPE. chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! If it really works. All the results I have seen show that WiMax equipment is gonna help the guys with NLoS issues in the city and other built up areas. Not those of us out here with the great tree infestation. I really think the only thing that will help us out here where the trees are is a lower frequency say below 700MHz Jeffrey Thomas wrote: All, Before everyone jumps for joy, Wimax CPE and base stations will be priced as low as 2250 / Sector for a fully integrated version ( all odu ) and CPE are expected to drop immediately to as low as 220-250. Then again, in the US markets that wont matter until at the earliest, may or june. - Jeff On Jan 18, 2006, at 11:20 AM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Trango Introduces New $149 WISP Subscriber Unit — Lowest priced fixed wireless modem available — SAN DIEGO, CA — January 18, 2006 - Trango Broadband Wireless, the leader in fixed broadband wireless equipment, introduced a major addition to its product line which will enable Wireless Internet Service Providers (WISPs) to, for the first time, compete head-to-head against cable and DSL providers with the high performance Atlas Fox M5580M-FSU wireless modem, priced at just $149 and capable of internet transmission speeds from 10 to 30 Mbps. “We truly believe that the introduction of the Atlas Fox wireless modem is the sea change event that will transform the wireless internet service market into a consumer mass-market service capable of out-competing cable and DSL delivery methods,” said Zdravko Divjak, CEO and President of Trango Broadband Wireless. “This product is eliminating the final obstacle toward nationwide deployments of fixed broadband wireless networks capable of serving millions of users coast to coast.” “There’s nothing lite about the Atlas Fox M5580M-FSU,” said Todd Easterling, Vice President of Worldwide Marketing for Trango Broadband Wireless. “This product offers the industry’s highest performance and at a dramatic price breakthrough. Our engineers have outdone themselves on this one, and many of the wireless internet service providers who have Beta-tested the Atlas Fox are raving about the price to performance ratio. To provide real 10 Mbps to their subscribers, at only $149 for the CPE (consumer premise equipment), enables WISPs to offer high-speed internet access to an entirely new market. More than ever, the return on investment and break-even points for WISPs deploying Trango are measurably superior to our competitors,” added Mr. Easterling. “Over the past few months we have clearly seen the cost and design benefits associated with controlling the entire product development and sales process—from engineering specification, to radios rolling off the production line of our own state-of-the-art factory in San Diego, to the direct sales model for the U.S. market. And most importantly, we’re passing on many of these benefits to our customers.” Trango’s Atlas Fox M5580M-FSU wireless modem, which can reach internet subscribers over twelve miles away from an Access Point (AP), currently provides upload and download speeds up to 10Mbps, and is upgradeable to speeds over 30Mbps. This provides a platform for next generation internet services known as the “triple play” (voice, video and data). In contrast, cable and telephone/DSL companies generally offer service between 1 Mbps and 6 Mbps bandwidth for downloads, and between 128 Kbps and 768 Kbps for uploads. Trango is taking orders for the Atlas Fox now. Shipments begin February 7 th, 2006. Larry A Weidig wrote: Go to the web site, $149 CPE. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Paul HendrySent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92signal in a NLOS environment? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01To: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Mac DearmanSent: Wednesday, January 18,
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
They are giving up speed, I think it will be 512k Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 8:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! >Canopy 900 sub 200. Thats the ping pong effect of competitive environments. What is Canopy giving up, with the term "lite". Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:46 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Canopy lite 900 will be sub $200 later this year Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Or just cheaper 900Mhz CPE. chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! If it really works. All the results I have seen show that WiMax equipment is gonna help the guys with NLoS issues in the city and other built up areas. Not those of us out here with the great tree infestation. I really think the only thing that will help us out here where the trees are is a lower frequency say below 700MHz Jeffrey Thomas wrote: All, Before everyone jumps for joy, Wimax CPE and base stations will be priced as low as 2250 / Sector for a fully integrated version ( all odu ) and CPE are expected to drop immediately to as low as 220-250. Then again, in the US markets that wont matter until at the earliest, may or june. - Jeff On Jan 18, 2006, at 11:20 AM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Trango Introduces New $149 WISP Subscriber Unit — Lowest priced fixed wireless modem available — SAN DIEGO, CA — January 18, 2006 - Trango Broadband Wireless, the leader in fixed broadband wireless equipment, introduced a major addition to its product line which will enable Wireless Internet Service Providers (WISPs) to, for the first time, compete head-to-head against cable and DSL providers with the high performance Atlas Fox M5580M-FSU wireless modem, priced at just $149 and capable of internet transmission speeds from 10 to 30 Mbps. “We truly believe that the introduction of the Atlas Fox wireless modem is the sea change event that will transform the wireless internet service market into a consumer mass-market service capable of out-competing cable and DSL delivery methods,” said Zdravko Divjak, CEO and President of Trango Broadband Wireless. “This product is eliminating the final obstacle toward nationwide deployments of fixed broadband wireless networks capable of serving millions of users coast to coast.” “There’s nothing lite about the Atlas Fox M5580M-FSU,” said Todd Easterling, Vice President of Worldwide Marketing for Trango Broadband Wireless. “This product offers the industry’s highest performance and at a dramatic price breakthrough. Our engineers have outdone themselves on this one, and many of the wireless internet service providers who have Beta-tested the Atlas Fox are raving about the price to performance ratio. To provide real 10 Mbps to their subscribers, at only $149 for the CPE (consumer premise equipment), enables WISPs to offer high-speed internet access to an entirely new market. More than ever, the return on investment and break-even points for WISPs deploying Trango are measurably superior to our competitors,” added Mr. Easterling. “Over the past few months we have clearly seen the cost and design benefits associated with controlling the entire product development and sales process—from engineering specification, to radios rolling off the production line of our own state-of-the-art factory in San Diego, to the direct sales model for the U.S. market. And most importantly, we’re passing on many of these benefits to our customers.” Trango’s Atlas Fox M5580M-FSU wireless modem, which can reach internet subscribers over twelve miles away from an Access Point (AP), currently provides upload and download speeds up to 10Mbps, and is upgradeable to speeds over 30Mbps. This provides a platform for next generation internet services known as the “triple play” (voice, video and data). In contrast, cable and telephone/DSL companies generally offer service between 1 Mbps and 6 Mbps bandwidth for downloads, and between 128 Kbps and 768 Kbps for uploads. Trango is taking or
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
No, time to break out the soldering iron. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! Do they have any AP's with wider than 60 degree beams? John Brian Rohrbacher wrote: > > Trango Introduces New $149 WISP Subscriber Unit > > > /- Lowest priced fixed wireless modem available -/ > > *SAN DIEGO, CA - January 18, 2006* - Trango Broadband Wireless, the > leader in fixed broadband wireless equipment, introduced a major > addition to its product line which will enable Wireless Internet > Service Providers (WISPs) to, for the first time, compete head-to-head > against cable and DSL providers with the high performance /Atlas Fox/ > M5580M-FSU wireless modem, priced at just $149 and capable of internet > transmission speeds from 10 to 30 Mbps. > > "We truly believe that the introduction of the /Atlas Fox/ wireless > modem is the sea change event that will transform the wireless > internet service market into a consumer mass-market service capable of > out-competing cable and DSL delivery methods," said Zdravko Divjak, > CEO and President of Trango Broadband Wireless. "This product is > eliminating the final obstacle toward nationwide deployments of fixed > broadband wireless networks capable of serving millions of users coast > to coast." > > "There's nothing /lite/ about the /Atlas Fox/ M5580M-FSU," said Todd > Easterling, Vice President of Worldwide Marketing for Trango Broadband > Wireless. "This product offers the industry's highest performance and > at a dramatic price breakthrough. Our engineers have outdone > themselves on this one, and many of the wireless internet service > providers who have Beta-tested the /Atlas Fox /are raving about the > price to performance ratio. To provide /real/ 10 Mbps to their > subscribers, at only $149 for the CPE (consumer premise equipment), > enables WISPs to offer high-speed internet access to an entirely new > market. More than ever, the return on investment and break-even points > for WISPs deploying Trango are measurably superior to our > competitors," added Mr. Easterling. "Over the past few months we have > clearly seen the cost and design benefits associated with controlling > the entire product development and sales process-from engineering > specification, to radios rolling off the production line of our own > state-of-the-art factory in San Diego, to the direct sales model for > the U.S. market. And most importantly, we're passing on many of these > benefits to our customers." > > Trango's /Atlas Fox/ M5580M-FSU wireless modem, which can reach > internet subscribers over twelve miles away from an Access Point (AP), > currently provides upload and download speeds up to 10Mbps, and is > upgradeable to speeds over 30Mbps. This provides a platform for next > generation internet services known as the "triple play" (voice, video > and data). In contrast, cable and telephone/DSL companies generally > offer service between 1 Mbps and 6 Mbps bandwidth for downloads, and > between 128 Kbps and 768 Kbps for uploads. Trango is taking orders for > the /Atlas Fox/ now. Shipments begin February 7 th, 2006. > > > > Larry A Weidig wrote: > >> Go to the web site, $149 CPE. >> >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>Behalf Of Paul Hendry >>Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PM >>To: 'WISPA General List' >>Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! >> >>Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92 >>signal in a NLOS environment? >> >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: 18 January 2006 19:01 >>To: 'WISPA General List' >>Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! >> >>Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe? >> >> >> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>On >>Behalf >> >> >>>Of Mac Dearman >>>Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM >>>To: WISPA General List >>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! >>> >>>Whooa - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile >>>all over! >>> >>>Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are a
RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
Be cool to modify it with two antenna ports. Install a V-Pol omni and H-Pol omni and then you can switch it all remotely. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Strittmatter Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!! send me a copy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] please -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! No they do not, but its easy to self-modify them so that they can, if you don't mind voiding warrantee. I have a step by step document if interested.. The only problem I had was remembering whether it was the V or H setting, that I redirected to the external antenna. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!! > Anyone know if the Trango 5.8GHz ap's have an external antenna connection? > out here, 60deg sectors on an ap are a bit small > > > -- > Blair Davis > > AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 > > West Michigan Wireless ISP > 269-686-8648 > > A division of: > Camp Communication Services, INC > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/236 - Release Date: 1/20/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] MT W/ OSPF Problem
This has nothing to do with OSPF, call me I know what it is. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Hamilton Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT W/ OSPF Problem Hello everyone! Im using MT W/ OSPF and Im unable to hit certain backhaul radios or computers on my backhaul sub. Example: On a switch (Radio, Ftp Server Web server, MT Router)---(Backhaul 10.10.1.x/24)---Radio->MT router ether1 (Same Board)MT Ether2RadioAP--(wireless sub 10.155.2.x/24)Client If im on the client end I cannot reach my internal ftp server or my web server, but I can hit my core router(10.10.1.x) or my Mt router ether1(same sub) at the tower. So in short, anything plugged into my switch at the NOC besides my core router I can access. Weird! Anyone got an idea Thanks Bo -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] soldering radio's
Anyone here have experience soldering connectors on to Motorola Canopy radio’s? I’d like to start doing my own soldering and can’t figure out where to solder the center conductor and grounds for these. There are 3 points where the integrated antenna attaches to the PCB and I’m pretty sure that the top solder point is the center conductor but I don’t know if the other two are for the ground or what. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] soldering radio's
There are 380mw radio’s, I’d like to stick a 15db omni on one and see what it does. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] soldering radio's Making that modification would likely take the radios out of certification. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: [WISPA] soldering radio's Anyone here have experience soldering connectors on to Motorola Canopy radio’s? I’d like to start doing my own soldering and can’t figure out where to solder the center conductor and grounds for these. There are 3 points where the integrated antenna attaches to the PCB and I’m pretty sure that the top solder point is the center conductor but I don’t know if the other two are for the ground or what. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] linksys conspiracy
I’ve got two clients that are running linksys routers from the same store all bought within a week of each other. Their routers are programmed for static IP but they will work for a little while and then try to pull a DHCP ip which I have setup for splash page. Seems to me this batch of linksys routers have bad firmware, anyone else see this? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy
I’m gonna try changing that lan IP see what happens. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy I've seen that too. Even new firmware doesn't always fix it. But for some reason, hitting the reset button on the router and reprogramming it does. Go figure. Another thing we do is change the lan ip addy on them. No two are ever alike. We've seen that they'll go nuts when someone plugs his own router in backwards and causes the same ip range on both sides of the router. Things are MUCH more stable when that lan ip isn't set to the default. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy I’ve got two clients that are running linksys routers from the same store all bought within a week of each other. Their routers are programmed for static IP but they will work for a little while and then try to pull a DHCP ip which I have setup for splash page. Seems to me this batch of linksys routers have bad firmware, anyone else see this? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy
I know what you mean there on the reset button issue, but I know for a fact that these guys have not reset their routers. Right now I’m running a lot of Tranzeo CPE’s and those don’t have NAT or DHCP built in, except for the newer CPQ’s but those CPQ’s are generating enough phone calls as it is, that’s why I’m trying out some Canopy gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy Then you get the guy who sets his router back to factory defaults on the advice of tech support brother-in-law... I try to support everything out of the box: IP address changes, MAC address cloning, etc. so that when they hold that little button in for 10 seconds it doesn't generate a phone call to me. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy I've seen that too. Even new firmware doesn't always fix it. But for some reason, hitting the reset button on the router and reprogramming it does. Go figure. Another thing we do is change the lan ip addy on them. No two are ever alike. We've seen that they'll go nuts when someone plugs his own router in backwards and causes the same ip range on both sides of the router. Things are MUCH more stable when that lan ip isn't set to the default. laters, marlon - Original Message ----- From: Kurt Fankhauser To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy I’ve got two clients that are running linksys routers from the same store all bought within a week of each other. Their routers are programmed for static IP but they will work for a little while and then try to pull a DHCP ip which I have setup for splash page. Seems to me this batch of linksys routers have bad firmware, anyone else see this? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy
Well its 3 hours later and both linksys boxes have pulled DHCP while they are in STATIC mode, how odd, I’m going to try the firmware next. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy After the last batch of linksys router fun, (when they would respond at random as a DNS server on the WAN port!!), we went to Netgear for our recommended routers for customers. They are pretty much trouble free And I have never had to upgrade their firmware... Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I know what you mean there on the reset button issue, but I know for a fact that these guys have not reset their routers. Right now I’m running a lot of Tranzeo CPE’s and those don’t have NAT or DHCP built in, except for the newer CPQ’s but those CPQ’s are generating enough phone calls as it is, that’s why I’m trying out some Canopy gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy Then you get the guy who sets his router back to factory defaults on the advice of tech support brother-in-law... I try to support everything out of the box: IP address changes, MAC address cloning, etc. so that when they hold that little button in for 10 seconds it doesn't generate a phone call to me. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy I've seen that too. Even new firmware doesn't always fix it. But for some reason, hitting the reset button on the router and reprogramming it does. Go figure. Another thing we do is change the lan ip addy on them. No two are ever alike. We've seen that they'll go nuts when someone plugs his own router in backwards and causes the same ip range on both sides of the router. Things are MUCH more stable when that lan ip isn't set to the default. laters, marlon - Original Message ----- From: Kurt Fankhauser To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy I’ve got two clients that are running linksys routers from the same store all bought within a week of each other. Their routers are programmed for static IP but they will work for a little while and then try to pull a DHCP ip which I have setup for splash page. Seems to me this batch of linksys routers have bad firmware, anyone else see this? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/235 - Release Date: 1/19/2006 -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP269-686-8648 A division of:Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy
I upgraded to the latest linksys firmware and it seems to be working for now. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wallace Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy What are others doing to resolve these issues with the Linksys WRT54G & GS Routers? What about openWRT.org firmware? They claim their firmware works with a long list of Linksys and other devices. What are your experiences with this firmware if any, I know some of you guys are using it. Actually they have worked ok for me, so far, w/ sB & Tranzeo bridges. I had one that worked poorly with Trango 900's so I tried adding Sveasoft firmware, didn't help. I replaced it with a D-link router and it has been solid for 6 months. -Original Message- From: Blair Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 01:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy After the last batch of linksys router fun, (when they would respond at random as a DNS server on the WAN port!!), we went to Netgear for our recommended routers for customers. They are pretty much trouble free And I have never had to upgrade their firmware... Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I know what you mean there on the reset button issue, but I know for a fact that these guys have not reset their routers. Right now I?m running a lot of Tranzeo CPE?s and those don?t have NAT or DHCP built in, except for the newer CPQ?s but those CPQ?s are generating enough phone calls as it is, that?s why I?m trying out some Canopy gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy Then you get the guy who sets his router back to factory defaults on the advice of tech support brother-in-law... I try to support everything out of the box: IP address changes, MAC address cloning, etc. so that when they hold that little button in for 10 seconds it doesn't generate a phone call to me. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy I've seen that too. Even new firmware doesn't always fix it. But for some reason, hitting the reset button on the router and reprogramming it does. Go figure. Another thing we do is change the lan ip addy on them. No two are ever alike. We've seen that they'll go nuts when someone plugs his own router in backwards and causes the same ip range on both sides of the router. Things are MUCH more stable when that lan ip isn't set to the default. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy I?ve got two clients that are running linksys routers from the same store all bought within a week of each other. Their routers are programmed for static IP but they will work for a little while and then try to pull a DHCP ip which I have setup for splash page. Seems to me this batch of linksys routers have bad firmware, anyone else see this? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/235 - Release Date: 1/19/2006 -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP269-686-8648 A division of:Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy
I upgraded the firmware on these, both are V5 and it seems to have solved the problem. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy I have recommended Linksys routers since the beginning. There are others that are just as good, some that may have a feature that you like better, but all in all they have been very good IMHO. There are only a couple times in the last 5 years that I can remember actually needing to recommend firmware upgrades. The Wireless-G v5 is just very recent. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy What are others doing to resolve these issues with the Linksys WRT54G & GS Routers? What about openWRT.org firmware? They claim their firmware works with a long list of Linksys and other devices. What are your experiences with this firmware if any, I know some of you guys are using it. Actually they have worked ok for me, so far, w/ sB & Tranzeo bridges. I had one that worked poorly with Trango 900's so I tried adding Sveasoft firmware, didn't help. I replaced it with a D-link router and it has been solid for 6 months. -Original Message- From: Blair Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 01:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy After the last batch of linksys router fun, (when they would respond at random as a DNS server on the WAN port!!), we went to Netgear for our recommended routers for customers. They are pretty much trouble free And I have never had to upgrade their firmware... Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I know what you mean there on the reset button issue, but I know for a fact that these guys have not reset their routers. Right now I?m running a lot of Tranzeo CPE?s and those don?t have NAT or DHCP built in, except for the newer CPQ?s but those CPQ?s are generating enough phone calls as it is, that?s why I?m trying out some Canopy gear. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy Then you get the guy who sets his router back to factory defaults on the advice of tech support brother-in-law... I try to support everything out of the box: IP address changes, MAC address cloning, etc. so that when they hold that little button in for 10 seconds it doesn't generate a phone call to me. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy I've seen that too. Even new firmware doesn't always fix it. But for some reason, hitting the reset button on the router and reprogramming it does. Go figure. Another thing we do is change the lan ip addy on them. No two are ever alike. We've seen that they'll go nuts when someone plugs his own router in backwards and causes the same ip range on both sides of the router. Things are MUCH more stable when that lan ip isn't set to the default. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: [WISPA] linksys conspiracy I?ve got two clients that are running linksys routers from the same store all bought within a week of each other. Their routers are programmed for static IP but they will work for a little while and then try to pull a DHCP ip which I have setup for splash page. Seems to me this batch of linksys routers have bad firmware, anyone else see this? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/p
RE: [WISPA] FM tower co-location
Brad, hope you already had all the kids you want. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenco Wireless Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM tower co-location I have. The station on the same tower as me is not a super high power station - I think they broadcast at 12,000 watts (we have one close that does 75,000 Watts) !! The RF engineer for the station told me that 40' was safe for short exposure. I have some gear closer to 12' away. They are required to turn down the power if you are going to be close. I don't want to ask them to do that too much (I am sure with the rent they pay they can dictate terms to the tower owners, if they are not the owners (not sure)). I bought an RF radiation suit. Unless I am going to be very close for a long period (hours), I just work in the suit. I also had a Narda RF monitor, until it had a 460' fall - oops. The bottom line is 50-300 MHz is very dangerous for human exposure. It will cook you like a microwave oven starting with your eyes and testicles. Be careful Brad Hagstrom Jenco Wireless On 1/24/06, Chadd Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Curious if anyone here has co-located on an FM tower? If so care to share > your experiences? > > Thanks, > Chadd > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/238 - Release Date: 1/23/2006 > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/238 - Release Date: 1/23/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Collisions in RF
I just ordered a case this morning. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Collisions in RF *Disclaimers WiFi Speed Spray™ is safe and effective when used as directed. However, the product is known to the State of California to cause cancer; developmental toxicity; and/or male pattern baldness. For outdoor use only. Do not use near electrical appliances. WiFi Speed Spray™ should not be used in the presence of pregnant women, women who have been pregnant, or women who may some day become pregnant. Keep away from children and household pets (especially birds). Do not take internally. If a persistent cough or partial paralysis develops, consult a physician, Made in Malaysia, by Malaysians. Not intended for use by Malaysians. Charles Wu wrote: That's why many, on a quarterly basis, liberally apply their "WiFiLubrication" -- keeps things well oiled and humminghttp://j-walk.com/other/wifispray/ -Charles ---WiNOG Austin, TXMarch 13-15, 2006http://www.winog.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Mac DearmanSent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:09 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Collisions in RF Generally speaking the collisions occur at the antenna itself - on the RF receive side Mac DearmanMaximum Access, LLC.Authorized Barracuda ResellerMikroTik RouterOS Certifiedwww.inetsouth.comwww.mac-tel.usRayville, La.318.728.8600 318.303.4227318.303.4229 Paul Hendry wrote: Hi all, As standard 802.11 is a half-duplex technology, does anyone know exactly where collisions occur? I.e. is it in the air between antennas, on the feeder inside the antenna, on the jumper/pigtail between the antenna and the radio, on the radio card itself, or all of the above? Cheers, P. -- Brian RohrbacherReliable Internet, LLCwww.reliableinter.netCell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Collisions in RF
I tried it on Moto once and the plastic enclosure turned a puke green color. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Collisions in RF Anyone hear any rumors of future support of this from Trango or Moto??? How about a volume purchase agreement from WISPA? And if you spray it vertically or horizontally does it make a difference? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Collisions in RF I would do but it only seems to be approved for 802.11b and we’re using 11a. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: 27 January 2006 19:47 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Collisions in RF I just ordered a case this morning. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Collisions in RF *Disclaimers WiFi Speed Spray™ is safe and effective when used as directed. However, the product is known to the State of California to cause cancer; developmental toxicity; and/or male pattern baldness. For outdoor use only. Do not use near electrical appliances. WiFi Speed Spray™ should not be used in the presence of pregnant women, women who have been pregnant, or women who may some day become pregnant. Keep away from children and household pets (especially birds). Do not take internally. If a persistent cough or partial paralysis develops, consult a physician, Made in Malaysia, by Malaysians. Not intended for use by Malaysians. Charles Wu wrote: That's why many, on a quarterly basis, liberally apply their "WiFiLubrication" -- keeps things well oiled and humminghttp://j-walk.com/other/wifispray/ -Charles ---WiNOG Austin, TXMarch 13-15, 2006http://www.winog.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Mac DearmanSent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:09 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Collisions in RF Generally speaking the collisions occur at the antenna itself - on the RF receive side Mac DearmanMaximum Access, LLC.Authorized Barracuda ResellerMikroTik RouterOS Certifiedwww.inetsouth.comwww.mac-tel.usRayville, La.318.728.8600 318.303.4227318.303.4229 Paul Hendry wrote: Hi all, As standard 802.11 is a half-duplex technology, does anyone know exactly where collisions occur? I.e. is it in the air between antennas, on the feeder inside the antenna, on the jumper/pigtail between the antenna and the radio, on the radio card itself, or all of the above? Cheers, P. -- Brian RohrbacherReliable Internet, LLCwww.reliableinter.netCell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/240 - Release Date: 25/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/240 - Release Date: 25/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Foreign Antennas
Antenna has to be certified as long as the radio, and then together they both have to be certified. You could have a certified radio and antenna but if they aren't certified to be used together then its illegal. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Foreign Antennas Gang, I have found several 802.11b antennas produced outside the US that I'd like to use. They are not FCC certified, however. Do the antennas need to be fcc certified or just the radios? This is assuming that all the gain/ERP rules are met. Jason Wallace -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 1/27/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Foreign Antennas
Its also illegal for you to drive on a suspended license. At least I don't drink and drive, especially when there is a U-Haul trailer behind the vehicle. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Foreign Antennas It's also illegal for you to consume alcohol. Any list readers care to bet whether he has always followed that law or not? North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:56 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Foreign Antennas > Antenna has to be certified as long as the radio, and then together they > both have to be certified. You could have a certified radio and antenna > but if they aren't certified to be used together then its illegal. > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > 114 S. Walnut St. > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jason Wallace > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:31 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Foreign Antennas > > Gang, > > I have found several 802.11b antennas produced outside the US that > I'd like to use. They are not FCC certified, however. Do the antennas > need to be fcc certified or just the radios? This is assuming that all > the gain/ERP rules are met. > > Jason Wallace > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: > 1/27/2006 > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 1/27/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there any in existance?
As far as I know the only certified combo's are Cisco w/ YDI antennas, and even those are certified right down to the cable length, yes your cable length has to be certain lengths in order to be legal. If you are caught with an uncertified system the FCC can tell you to pull the plug, and if you don't you can be fined. As far as I know there is no such thing as a certified system using WRAP boards or Mikrotik Boards. If you choose to ignore the rules be prepared for a visit from the FCC because they can knock on your door any day. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:26 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there any in existance? Everyone, I am at my wits end. I have searched high and low for a mini-pci radio & sector antenna combo for an 802.11b AP that are legal under the current FCC rules, which by my interpretation are: 1. Total output is 36 dbm or less. 2. Antenna characteristics must be the same as an antenna that has been approved for use with that radio, where TYPE refers to antennas with SIMILAR in and out of band radiation patterns. 3. Antenna gain must be equal to or less than the maximum the radio has been approved to work with. I can NOT find a radio that is approved for any antenna with real gain. I don't want to mind just the SPIRIT of the law, but the law itself. What combos are you other guys who like building your own system. I want to put together a Mikrotik with 3 radios and sectors for an AP. The sectors I am looking at are: AntennaGainWidthPol WRW2400-VF/A/H13dbi120H http://www.winncom.com/moreinfo/item/WRW2400-VF/A/H/index.html DT-AN-24-120H-13513.5120H https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-antennas/2_4Ghz/DT-AN-24-1 20H-135.html DT-AN-24-60120V-152115120V https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-antennas/2_4Ghz/DT-AN-24-A S-60120V-2115.html HyperGainR HG2417P-12017dbi120V http://www.hyperlinktech.com/index.php Teletronics19120H http://www.teletronics.com/antenna2-419dBSector.html Teletronics22140H http://www.teletronics.com/antenna2-422dBidirectional.html I am sorry if this table doesn't wrap well on some email clients. I am still looking for a 18 dbi HZ pol antenna with FCC certs because I think it can be used with a DT-RWZ-200mW-WC, although it is pcmcia and I'll have to figure out how to use it with a 500 series RB (Note, there are foreign antennas that have 18 dbi, but don't come with FCC certs; see my last post). As far as I can tell, the CM9's can't be used anywhere. Ideally, I would like to use the 22 dbi Teletronics in my application with a 14dbm radio for the greatest receive gain. Or at least a HZ polarized antenna with decent gain. Anyway, can someone please help. I appreciate those of you who have helped me to even reach this point. Jason Wallace WISP startup -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 1/27/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there anyin existance?
The more you think about it the more you are going to find reasons not to do it, what you have to do is just jump in and do it. Once you do you will know what you want to do. Its like sky diving, you have to just jump into it, if you stand up there and question it you will just freeze up and not go anywhere. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there anyin existance? Marlon, What would you suggest? I am afraid of proprietary stuff because I don't know enough industry history to understand the players. Jason Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: > Hiya Jason, > > Why not just buy ISP grade product? Then you don't have to worry > about all of this. > > AND at 2.4 the CLIENT side isn't limited to 36 dB. It starts there > with a 30 dB radio with a 6 dB antenna. For every one db of radio tx > dB you drop you can go up 3 dB of antenna gain. > > Marlon > (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services > 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! > 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > > > > - Original Message - From: "Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:26 PM > Subject: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there any in > existance? > > >> Everyone, >> >>I am at my wits end. I have searched high and low for a mini-pci >> radio & sector antenna combo for an 802.11b AP that are legal under >> the current FCC rules, which by my interpretation are: >> >> 1. Total output is 36 dbm or less. >> >> 2. Antenna characteristics must be the same as an antenna that has >> been approved for use with that radio, where TYPE refers to antennas >> with SIMILAR in and out of band radiation patterns. >> >> 3. Antenna gain must be equal to or less than the maximum the radio >> has been approved to work with. >> >> I can NOT find a radio that is approved for any antenna with real >> gain. I don't want to mind just the SPIRIT of the law, but the law >> itself. >> What combos are you other guys who like building your own system. I >> want to put together a Mikrotik with 3 radios and sectors for an AP. >> The sectors I am looking at are: >> >> AntennaGainWidthPol >> WRW2400-VF/A/H13dbi120H >> http://www.winncom.com/moreinfo/item/WRW2400-VF/A/H/index.html >> >> DT-AN-24-120H-13513.5120H >> https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-antennas/2_4Ghz/DT-AN-24-1 20H-135.html >> >> >> DT-AN-24-60120V-152115120V >> https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-antennas/2_4Ghz/DT-AN-24-A S-60120V-2115.html >> >> >> HyperGainR HG2417P-12017dbi120V >> http://www.hyperlinktech.com/index.php >> >> Teletronics19120H >> http://www.teletronics.com/antenna2-419dBSector.html >> >> Teletronics22140H >> http://www.teletronics.com/antenna2-422dBidirectional.html >> >> I am sorry if this table doesn't wrap well on some email clients. >> I am still looking for a 18 dbi HZ pol antenna with FCC certs because >> I think it can be used with a DT-RWZ-200mW-WC, although it is pcmcia >> and I'll have to figure out how to use it with a 500 series RB (Note, >> there are foreign antennas that have 18 dbi, but don't come with FCC >> certs; see my last post). As far as I can tell, the CM9's can't be >> used anywhere. >> Ideally, I would like to use the 22 dbi Teletronics in my application >> with a 14dbm radio for the greatest receive gain. Or at least a HZ >> polarized antenna with decent gain. >> >> Anyway, can someone please help. I appreciate those of you who have >> helped me to even reach this point. >> >> Jason Wallace >> WISP startup >> >> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 1/27/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy Lite
Specs say it can be upgraded to 1, 2, 3, 4 mbps. Buy the time you do that you should've spend the extra $50 and had a regular 2400SM to begin with. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Lite I've read that. Does anyone know if a "lite" SM is fully upgradeable to a regular one? Dylan Oliver wrote: >http://motorola.canopywireless.com/products/lite/ > >Best, >-- >Dylan Oliver >Primaverity, LLC > > -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 1/27/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Arethere anyin existance?
agreed Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Arethere anyin existance? I can tell you from past experience it is a good idea to find a good brand and use it. One of the things I learned at the WCA show a couple of weeks ago was that if you want to have a business worth selling later you had better consider using one high-quality well-known platform instead of a hodge-podge of radio solutions. Alvarion is definitely one of those "good" brands. There are others but I am betting that many out there would choose to go with Alvarion from the start if they had it all to do over again. With that said I will not discount the value I have seen in others out there like Trango, Tranzeo, Waverider, Mikrotik, Star-OS, etc. The trouble is though that it is rare to find one brand with one management interface (All FCC System Certified as well) for all the different platforms you will need as a WISP. With Alvarion (and few if any others) you can literally build your entire network on one trusted platform. I went to an Alvarion sponsored conference on WiMAX triple play offerings in Washington D.C last week. that was very informative but was NOT the reason I said what I did about Alvarion. There was a company who specialized in WISP acquisitions at the WCA show that described the most important factors in determining the value of a company. One of the negatives about WISP operations was generally the frequent use of a "hodge-podge" of different incompatible platforms of radios. They stated this was a very big problem for WISP valuations. They said that using one good brand of radios was a good way to make your system worth its highest value. Just some food for thought here guys. Especially anyone who might have funding but is new to running a WISP. Rolling your own solution is not always the best way to go and can actually hurt your efforts in many cases. Find a good brand and stick to it. Scriv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >The more you think about it the more you are going to find reasons not >to do it, what you have to do is just jump in and do it. Once you do you >will know what you want to do. Its like sky diving, you have to just >jump into it, if you stand up there and question it you will just freeze >up and not go anywhere. > >Kurt Fankhauser >WAVELINC >114 S. Walnut St. >Bucyrus, OH 44820 >419-562-6405 >www.wavelinc.com > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Jason Wallace >Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:45 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there anyin >existance? > >Marlon, > >What would you suggest? I am afraid of proprietary stuff because I >don't know enough industry history to understand the players. > >Jason > >Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: > > >>Hiya Jason, >> >>Why not just buy ISP grade product? Then you don't have to worry >>about all of this. >> >>AND at 2.4 the CLIENT side isn't limited to 36 dB. It starts there >>with a 30 dB radio with a 6 dB antenna. For every one db of radio tx >>dB you drop you can go up 3 dB of antenna gain. >> >>Marlon >>(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales >>(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services >>42846865 (icq)And I run my own >> >> >wisp! > > >>64.146.146.12 (net meeting) >>www.odessaoffice.com/wireless >>www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam >> >> >> >>- Original Message - From: "Jason" >> >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>To: >>Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:26 PM >>Subject: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there any in >>existance? >> >> >> >> >>>Everyone, >>> >>> I am at my wits end. I have searched high and low for a mini-pci >>>radio & sector antenna combo for an 802.11b AP that are legal under >>>the current FCC rules, which by my interpretation are: >>> >>>1. Total output is 36 dbm or less. >>> >>>2. Antenna characteristics must be the same as an antenna that has >>>been approved for use with that radio, where TYPE refers to antennas >>>with SIMILAR in and out of band radiation patterns. >>> >>>3. Antenna gain must be equal to or less than
RE: [WISPA] RF Linx amps vs. YDI amps
If your using a tranzeo radio you already are Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:10 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] RF Linx amps vs. YDI amps Anyone used the 5GHz RF-Linx amps? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: 30 January 2006 22:36 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RF Linx amps vs. YDI amps I think this is one of those weird things I have a stack of outdoor YDI's that I replaced with outdoor RF-Linx units. The RF-Linx units dropped my noise level by 5 db or better at every tower. This swap was done in the spring of 2004. I still have a few of the YDI's left I ought to put them up for sale The YDI's are all 2001 or so vintage. As they say, your mileage may vary Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > Hello all, > > Thought I'd share a bit of real world experience with the listers > regarding amplifiers. > We recently replaced three RF Linx amplifiers (indoor, 2.4Ghz, the > non-tunable units) with three used YDI (Breezecom labeled) > amplifiers. The difference was significant. Signal strength on > customer radios increased by about 3db and the noise floor dropped by > another 3 to 5db. Performance on those access points also improved > considerably, and several previously marginal connections got a lot > better. One sight is even showing -72 signal from a Tranzeo 80-15 at > 13 miles. > FWIW, these RF Linx amps are an older model (vintage winter 2002). > > Matt Larsen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 27/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.25/246 - Release Date: 30/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.25/246 - Release Date: 1/30/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
