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Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs
Trango is no where near $400 for Atlas Foxes. Trango's Atlas Fox's
distance
without dish is just about the same as the standard Canopy CPE (same DBI
antenna).
Remember that Trango lists retail on their site to protest the WISP.
Low
vo
ts.
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
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Your number
iday, September 22, 2006 11:05 PM
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Let me comment on this
#Canopy 5.7 AP - $970 (Advantage $1,974)
is this MRSP ? you can buy this the AP for $800 +/- , Advantage for $1500
#C/I advantage
#Fixed up/down ratio
Add GPS Sync, Feature rich firmware, NM
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If the general concensus is that RSSI is a must, then I will try to
convince PM to add such a reading.
Patrick Leary
AVP
et another 4 or 5yr old
birthday party to attend!
Best,
Brad
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Re dual polarity via softw
, 2006 11:14 AM
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Not to beat the horse here but I think having SNR, RSSI and Noise
readings are all things people should have in an advanced platform.
Granted if you have any two you can get the third but just having it all
right there
, September 24, 2006 9:48 AM
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The problem with SNR for alignment purposes is that you are dealing
with a variable in noise, with rssi you work with fixed numbers. I’m
not dissing SNR, it is extremely important, But for example
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Wow Patrick, I'm surprised of your answer. I think I've made it
abundantly
clear over the years
Gino A. Villarini
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The problem with SNR for alignment
purposes is that you are dealing with a variable in noise, with rssi you work
with fixed numbers. I’m not dissing SNR, it is
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The problem with SNR for
alignment purposes is that you are dealing with a variable in noise, with rssi
you work with fixed numbers
on. Snr won't help much there...
>
> Gino
>
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> Brad,
>
int here Patrick. I'm trying to get Alvarion to improve
their product so we can BUY more of it.
Best,
Brad
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Right, but the LED bar on the CPE can be used to do that. I mean, isn't
SNR more complete than just RSSI, meaning if your SNR is good than the RSSI is
by default good. Anyway, I
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Right, but the LED bar on the CPE can be used to do that. I mean, isn't
SNR more complete than just RSSI, meaning if your SNR is good than the RSSI is
by default good. Anyway, I have never heard of any moderately experienced VL
user say the units did not convey e
r 24, 2006 8:48 AM
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Patrick,
Rssi is very important to determine if a link is properly aligned and
its achieving its link budget.
Altough we don’t use alvarion(yet), we are currently researching
backhaul options and the way we comissio
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Brad,
Software controlled dual polarity might be nice. Not sure why you
consistently harp on us thoug
Charles Wu wrote:
You guys are argueing about irrelevant topics
Didn't realize we were arguing or that the topic so many have responded
to was irrelevant.
If memory serves me correctly, you provide non-oversubscribed wireless DIA
(leased line replacement) for SMB/Enterprises in a Tier1/2 ur
determine the link budget in advance to
implementation. Snr wont help much there...
Gino
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Brad,
Software controlled dual polarity might be nice. Not sure why you
consistently harp on us though since no one else has it either other
than your longtime preferred vendor.
I am not as convinced about your complaint about RSSI. Is it just used
to RSSI like being used to feet in stead of mete
,
Brad
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Geez Patrick, go to bed!!! Get some rest
Seriously, this is a great list. De
Geez Patrick, go to bed!!! Get some rest
Seriously, this is a great list. Definitely shows how the VL is a
completely different animal than the other options out there.
Matt Larsen
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Patrick Leary wrote:
I believe most if not all of the below are features not found amon
I believe most if not all of the below are features
not found among Trango or Canopy. I list a few of the advanced features. A few
of these (probably some you have never heard of before or even thought of) I
show in detail. Maybe this post will also explain why the VL is not simply an
Ather
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006, Patrick Leary wrote:
How much detail do you want? Those not familiar with Alvarion are
generally shocked at the level of what can be done in terms of
features. Makes Trango and Canopy look like a kindergartener's
product. But to be candid, that level of detail is also Achi
n the next post.
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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The biggest reason we use Trango is because we sell our wireless
service as symmetrical. Even on the residentia
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The bigges
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The biggest reason we use Trango is because we sell our wireless service
as symmetrical. Even on the residential level, if they purchase 512k
they get 512k down and
hnson
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The biggest reason we use Trango is because we sell our wireless service
as symmetrical. Even on the residential level, if they purchase 512k
they get 512k down and 512k up. So, if I use Cano
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Keep in mind...although, as techies, we love to get into a "my @[EMAIL
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bigger/better then yours
ehalf Of Matt Liotta
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Travis Johnson wrote:
> The biggest reason we use Trango is because we sell our wireless
> service as symmetrical. Even on the residential level, if they
> purchase
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The biggest reason we use Trango is because we sell our wireless service
as symmetrical. Even on the residential level, if they purchase 512k
they get
Travis Johnson wrote:
The biggest reason we use Trango is because we sell our wireless
service as symmetrical. Even on the residential level, if they
purchase 512k they get 512k down and 512k up. So, if I use Canopy, I
have to do a 50/50 split, which means even the Advantage product only
provi
The biggest reason we use Trango is because we sell our wireless service
as symmetrical. Even on the residential level, if they purchase 512k
they get 512k down and 512k up. So, if I use Canopy, I have to do a
50/50 split, which means even the Advantage product only provides 7Mbps
of "usable" b
So does anyone out there use the Alvarion VL and willing to give real
pricing and feature set? I am interested in how it stacks up for a BH
solution.
Anthony Will
Broadband Crop.
Travis Johnson wrote:
Hi,
I changed the subject line to reflect more the direction of this
discussion (Trango v
I will agree that Trango prices are lower then Moto Canopy. The 900mhz
can come with integrated or connectorized for different prices but they
are more expensive then what I listed. I just wanted to show that the
difference in pricing is not a world of difference that Alvarion. You
have to
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If you're serving the residential market, and price is the big concern, it's
worth noting that Canopy has
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Gino A. Villarini wrote:
GPS sync is extra $$.
Of course you can also just string sync cables between radios for free.
True, but this is truly what makes canopy works and you have nice 3rd party
options like www.lastmilegear.com and www.packetflux.com for the gps sync
units that start @ les
Friday, September 22, 2006 10:17 PM
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Your numbers are a bit off on the canopy and when i looked on the trango
site it looks more in the range of $400 per unit at 30 pack pricing for
trango's. I believe your getting that price but at what q
Travis Johnson wrote:
Our biggest problem is frequency availability at all (regardless of
radio choice)... we have a 2.4ghz AP at a repeater station that is
"full". We attempted to install a second sector today and ran a site
survey at this location across the entire 2.4ghz band, the
"aver
Travis Johnson
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I guess I left the door open for comments like "feature rich
firmware" what does THAT mean? It definately doesn't mean the SM
number stays the same on th
My problem with VL is that it doesn't offer a scheduled mac...no
syncronization capability. Now if this get's incorporated down the line
I would be interested? We've used it all, you name it, and at this point
if it doesn't have GPS sync I'm hesitant to even touch it. That is one
advantage that
Trango offers many different CPE (5830, Fox, Fox Atlas, etc.). They have
listed on their website the Fox Atlas CPE for $149 for a 30 pack
pricing. This is a 10Mbps radio and with a $30 dish will reach up to 10
miles.
I currently have a 22 mile 900mhz link with Trango (using an omni on the
AP)
I guess I left the door open for comments like "feature rich
firmware" what does THAT mean? It definately doesn't mean the SM
number stays the same on the AP with each reboot or SM re-association.. ;)
GPS sync is extra $$.
NMS software is extra $$.
The pricing I listed was MSRP (or what I
Your numbers are a bit off on the canopy and when i looked on the trango
site it looks more in the range of $400 per unit at 30 pack pricing for
trango's. I believe your getting that price but at what qualities?
I have a couple hundred in the air and I have Midwest Wireless the 5th
largest WI
Let me comment on this
#Canopy 5.7 AP - $970 (Advantage $1,974)
is this MRSP ? you can buy this the AP for $800 +/- , Advantage for $1500
#C/I advantage
#Fixed up/down ratio
Add GPS Sync, Feature rich firmware, NMS Software, Strong support, Good
promos, Only Manufacturer to offer price co
I have a very interesting new (this month) pdf about this topic that
compares Canopy Advantage and BreezeACCESS VL in a variety of ways, from
a coverage modeling example using high end propagation software to VoIP
stats using company documents from both companies.
We think it makes a clear case f
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