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To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT Babble
But the base product, the computer does not start life as an
intentional
radiator. So at what point does a FCC certified computer become an
intentional radiator as a whole?
When
- Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
It works like this Doug.
A radio card is an intentional radiator. Under part 15 rules it can
only be sold
DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Mike,
What Marlon said IS NOT OPINION. The only way you can be legal is to
certify a system as a whole. You might want to take a look at the ADI link
I posted
: [WISPA] MT Babble
Mike,
What Marlon said IS NOT OPINION. The only way you can be legal is to
certify a system as a whole. You might want to take a look at the ADI
link I posted and maybe this will help you understand what is
required to become certified. You must have all the components
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
I have the contacts, forms to fill out etc. just waiting for me to get
the time to take this issue on as part of the FCC committee's job. We
have basically no FCC committee though. The principal membership
doesn't seem to be all that interested in anything other than
: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Mike,
That post was looking for clarification on whether or not it was possible
it would make this legal without going through system certification as an
intentional radiator. Since the FCC wording can be mind boggling sometimes
there is confusion. In other words you
Mike Hammett wrote:
Then why can I purchase a Netgear PCI card for my Dell desktop?
Because the Netgear PCI card has been certified both as a computing
device and a Part 15 intentional radiator - but only if it is used with
the antenna which the Netgear was certified with.
-forrestc
--
as a complete system. Did I miss
something?
Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.
- Original Message -
From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Mike,
What Marlon said IS NOT OPINION
.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Then why can I purchase a Netgear PCI card for my Dell desktop?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing
So is the Ubiquiti SRC and 4.9 PCMCIA card a computing device since it was
designed for install in laptops?
-Original Message-
From: Forrest W. Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:32 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Mike
Let me further clarify the statement below.
Computer certifications permit each component to be certified separately
and assembled as a system. As long as all of the components which go
into the computer are certified individually, you can assemble them
together into a computer which is also
@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Mike Hammett wrote:
Then why can I purchase a Netgear PCI card for my Dell desktop?
Because the Netgear PCI card has been certified both as a computing device
and a Part 15 intentional radiator - but only
Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Then why can I purchase a Netgear PCI card for my Dell desktop
Matt,
I'm not a WISP (I do network design, deployment, and consulting for service
providers), but, seeing as how none of the WISPs are answering, I'll give it
a shot as to percieved advantages of MT or StarOS.
1. I don't think the FCC certification is a huge issue. This is largely
because any
Ryan,
A few of you are making a lot of noise.
You seem to want to talk a lot about how MT is not certified and you say
but if it were...
Ryan, Why haven't you and those so vocal gone to the FCC with this
question already?
The FCC is but a telephone call away.
http://www.fcc.gov/
It never
Michael,
This is the first time I have gotten into this subject, and the last.
As I said, I have seen this same thing come up at least a dozen time on
this list. While I did say how long I have been on this list, my time
in the industry is only about a month longer. Its always the same
thing,
All,
I have come to the conclusion that there are some on this list that
think FCC certification is up for debate. There may be a need for
clarification in some cases but like it or not the FCC has the final say
in what can and cannot be certified.
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
--
WISPA Wireless
on it.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Mike,
I see no evidence of anyone twisting your words
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
I said this several months ago and I'll say it again MT and Star-OS are
used because of price. Period.
If the certified systems come out and are double the price
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
I don't really understand this MT thread at all. Why use MT over all the
other certified systems available? Further, why spend time and money trying
to get MT certified? Why not just
://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 6:44 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT Babble
Ok. I've said this before. On a home PC, I don't need to certify a Dell
computer running Win2k and a Netgear wireless
?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:00 AM
Subject: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Michael,
Just for info
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Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:40 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
I never thought of it that way. Doug makes a lot of valid points.
I can put an XR5 with a 32 dbi antenna into a PC and install Windows and be
legal. Why can't I install
Mike Hammett wrote:
Speed, features, reduced points of failure, price.
If I can setup two complete and separate MT systems for less than the
other guys can... Heck, could probably even setup a wireless ring
using different bands for each link for less than the other guys.
Even the greatest
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 8:59 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT Babble
If indeed, an XR5 is certified with that particular 32dbi antenna, cable and
pigtail. No reason they wouldnt certify popular antenna combos, not to
mention the changes
Bravo. The best way to get gear certified from vendors is to NOT buy it
until it is. The problem then fixes itself. There are plenty of
certified gear options out there already.
Scriv
Matt Liotta wrote:
I don't really understand this MT thread at all. Why use MT over all
the other certified
.
- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
I would. I already committed to my guy that he will be my source for
whatever he makes that I could use. $200 more isn't
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Mike Hammett wrote:
Speed, features, reduced points of failure, price.
If I can setup two complete and separate MT systems for less than the
other guys can... Heck, could probably
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Why $200 more?
At $200 if the vendor sell 10 systems, that is $2000, almost 66% of the
certification cost returned. Sell 100 and that is $20,000, a lot more than
the cost
permission?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:00 AM
Subject: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Michael,
Just
in the lab.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
On a volume of 1, I can get a 5 GHz CPE for $185. IIRC, 100 unit quantities
were $140. I can
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:00 AM
Subject: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Michael,
Just for info -
The question of being required to use a software version that denied
operation on non-US frequencies has been hanging over Mikrotik
it off to a
lab.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
One or two people have asked this question also. I asked them to test and
see if their equipment actually did transmit outside the U.S. band. So
far, I've received no confirmation that outside-the-band transmissions
were actually taking place. If you have equipment
fcc areas. All the need is a MODE that puts the
device into an FCC compatible format.
laters,
marlon
- Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:00 AM
Subject: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Dawn,
Just how many wisp customers did you have in your short career as a wisp?
Why is it that some people who don't actually participate in running a
wireless service want to come in and try to tell us how to run our wisps?
Dawn DiPietro wrote:
All,
I have come to the conclusion that
?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:00 AM
Subject: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Michael,
Just for info
George Rogato wrote:
Dawn,
Just how many wisp customers did you have in your short career as a wisp?
Why is it that some people who don't actually participate in running a
wireless service want to come in and try to tell us how to run our wisps?
I don't think that is fair. It isn't Dawn
: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:47 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Dawn,
Just how many wisp customers did you have in your short career as a wisp?
Why is it that some people who don't actually participate in running a
wireless service want to come in and try to tell us how
Matt Liotta wrote:
George Rogato wrote:
Dawn,
Just how many wisp customers did you have in your short career as a wisp?
Why is it that some people who don't actually participate in running a
wireless service want to come in and try to tell us how to run our wisps?
I don't think that is
Doug Ratcliffe wrote:
Is that really a necessary question,
It sure is to find out where she's coming from.
As a wisp, a long term wisp, as the person that bootstrapped this tiny
bbs-isp from the dial up days in 99 to where we are today, who has put
his money where his mouth is, and taken
-Original Message-
From: Mike Hammett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11 June 2007 16:25
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
I have no means of testing that. However, if the hardware can't do it, why
does the software by the same manufacturer of this FCC
: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
This FCC country-code-lock-down question is interesting.
Doing a quick google I found this:
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/wireless/airo1200/accsspts/a
p120scg/bkscgaxa.htm
Don't know how up-to-date those lists are, as it was posted in 2003.
Clearly some
: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
This FCC country-code-lock-down question is interesting.
Doing a quick google I found this:
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/wireless/airo1200/accsspts/a
p120scg/bkscgaxa.htm
Don't know how up-to-date those lists are, as it was posted in 2003.
Clearly some
, June 11, 2007 1:56 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Wasn't there an ISP in Puerto Rico that was fined because they had set their
gear (Aperto I think) to a higher power than they should have? The
manufacturer's manual clearly stated it was up
] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 1:56 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Wasn't there an ISP in Puerto Rico that was fined because they had set their
gear (Aperto I think) to a higher power than they should have? The
manufacturer's manual
George,
As I said in my post wireless providers do not get to decide what has to
be certified this is up to the FCC and if there are any questions they
need to be clarified not argued against which seems to be the norm among
some on this list.
How would the number of customers I had on my
://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
I disagree with you on this one Jack.
I've got plenty of certified products
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
One or two people have asked this question also. I
something outside of
FCC permission?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:00 AM
Subject: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT
I think we can all agree that gear certification is the law. Could we
maybe kill this thread off before we start losing list members from the
inflation of the number of posts about this seemingly elementary topic?
Scriv
Dawn DiPietro wrote:
George,
As I said in my post wireless providers
Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Mike,
I'll do my best to answer your
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Sent: 11 June 2007 16:25
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
I have no means of testing that. However, if the hardware can't do it, why
does the software by the same manufacturer of this FCC certified device have
the option of setting non-FCC?
I've
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
George,
As I said in my post wireless providers do not get to decide what has to
be certified this is up to the FCC and if there are any questions they
need to be clarified not argued against which seems to be the norm among
some on this list
2:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
George,
As I said in my post wireless providers do not get to decide what has to
be certified this is up to the FCC and if there are any questions they
need to be clarified not argued against which seems to be the norm among
some
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Stephen Patrick
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
This FCC country-code-lock-down question is interesting.
Doing a quick google I found this:
http://www.cisco.com
was able to make these changes?
Best,
Brad
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Stephen Patrick
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
This FCC country-code
I think the question that really hasn't been answered is if a RB can be
certified class B and then use a certified radio/antenna combo as is
allowed with a PC/laptop.
And you are right that then FCC makes the rules. What is not clear is
that Dawn's (and others) position that the component
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Dawn DiPietro wrote:
How would the number of customers I had on my network have any
bearing on this discussion?
The question was, however, why it matters to you what gear WISPs are
using. Sounds like George agrees with me in his opinion of your
harping on this issue.
11, 2007 12:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
This FCC country-code-lock-down question is interesting.
Doing a quick google I found this:
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/wireless/airo1200/accsspts/a
p120scg/bkscgaxa.htm
Sam,
Since some here feel I have no credibility because I no longer run a
WISP I will let you decide from this information provided.
Starting on page 78 of the following link should explain why the
wireless devices in question cannot be certified as computers.
sense. Cisco
Aironet=Intentional Radiator, PC=Unintentional Radiator.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 7:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Sam,
Since some here feel I have
For the record, I don't feel that you have no credibility because you
no longer run a WISP, I just don't agree with you and if 15.201-221 is
your basis for the belief that a RB can't be considered under component
rules I have to believe that you don't understand what a RB is.
It is NOT an
to make these changes?
Best,
Brad
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Stephen Patrick
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
This FCC country
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
This FCC country-code-lock-down question is interesting.
Doing a quick google I found this:
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/wireless/airo1200/accsspts/a
p120scg/bkscgaxa.htm
Don't
]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Stephen Patrick
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
This FCC country-code-lock-down question is interesting.
Doing a quick google I found this:
http
Of Stephen Patrick
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
This FCC country-code-lock-down question is interesting.
Doing a quick google I found this:
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product
Sam,
Thank you, that is what I wanted to hear. If a system board is
certified then the operating system is certified for FCC and of
course your mini-pci was certified by the manufacturer.
Now anybody can attach an antenna and have it certified. Total
certification.
You have a Good Day now,
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Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
George,
As I said in my post wireless providers do not get to decide what has
to be certified this is up to the FCC and if there are any questions
they need
2:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
George,
As I said in my post wireless providers do not get to decide what
has to be certified this is up to the FCC and if there are any
questions they need to be clarified not argued against which seems
to be the norm among some
Ryan Langseth wrote:
I made one comment in this entire thread, which I am already regretting.
I hardly consider that vocal.
My bad, Ryan, My bad. I did not mean to lump you in with a few vocal
people..
My comment was not meant to be sarcastic, I would like to see a ruling
on it one way or
: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Or maybe it was Adaptive Broadband gear that allowed the end user to break
the rules? Anyone remember?
Best,
Brad
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Joe wrote:
Not sure about now but when smartbridges came out with Nexus line it had a a
few extra channells. And it was certified.
Did you know it was Pac Wireless who paid for the certifications on the
original Smart Bridges, not Smart Bridges?
--
George Rogato
Welcome to WISPA
Just to be absolutely clear since this topic has generated a lot of
'assumptions'. I have NOT confirmed with the FCC that a
routerboard/wrap/gateworks SBC is considered a unintentional radiator I
have just made the statement that *I* don't see how it could be
considered an intentional
]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT Babble
But the base product, the computer does not start life as an intentional
radiator. So at what point does a FCC certified computer become an
intentional radiator as a whole?
When you add
Well, it will be a non issue because there will be certified option.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 9:52 PM
@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Mike,
This does not make everyone using a Mikrotik system legal though. It is
not just as easy as saying I use the same components in my system as the
one certified so I am legal. In case you are unaware, this would
@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Mike,
This does not make everyone using a Mikrotik system legal though. It
is
not just as easy as saying I use the same components in my system as
the
one certified so I am legal. In case you are unaware, this would
I don't really understand this MT thread at all. Why use MT over all the
other certified systems available? Further, why spend time and money
trying to get MT certified? Why not just use certified gear that is
available from vendors that are actually interested in participating in
this market?
://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Mike,
This does not make everyone using a Mikrotik system legal though. It
is not just as easy as saying I
: [WISPA] MT Babble
I don't really understand this MT thread at all. Why use MT over all the
other certified systems available? Further, why spend time and money
trying to get MT certified? Why not just use certified gear that is
available from vendors that are actually interested in participating
- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Mike,
This does not make everyone using a Mikrotik system legal though. It
is not just as easy as saying I use the same
Smith, Rick wrote:
Cheaper / Better. Faster would remain to be seen.
I figured that would be the answer, but how does that help people who
have no idea why MT might be cheaper or better? I'm not trying to start
an argument; I would just like to know what about MT makes it worth
risking
believe is already done. The whole system
is up to whoever wants to certify it and then sell it as a system.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 12:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Smith, Rick wrote:
From what I've seen to date; Alvarion / Canopy / Trango backhaul
equipment - they are merely (sometimes fancy) bridges.
I don't know about all vendors, but Canopy APs certainly can be
configured to route. Additionally, the Deliberant radios I have seen do
routing as
List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Mike,
This does not make everyone using a Mikrotik system legal though. It
is not just as easy as saying I use the same components in my system
as the one certified so I am legal. In case you are unaware
Matt
The reason we like stuff MT and Star, it works and we like it.
The future is arriving, there will be lots of new certified Star and MT
products to choose from.
http://forums.star-os.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=67stc=1d=1180571824
That one is called the Can-O-War. See it looks like
George Rogato wrote:
Matt
The reason we like stuff MT and Star, it works and we like it.
I'm glad it works and that you like it because you like it. That doesn't
really help me understand why one would choose MT over something else. I
mean there has to be something beyond that you like it if
I don't really care for the whole discussion of whether certified gear
should be used or not. Every piece of gear has advantages and
disadvantages as well as pricing considerations. Regardless of whether
someone is willing to use uncertified gear, I am sure that given the
choice between
I said this several months ago and I'll say it again MT and Star-OS
are used because of price. Period.
If the certified systems come out and are double the price (so $400
for a RB532 type solution compared with $200 now) how many people are
going to start using the certified ones? Very
Ryan,
Currently a typical MT AP with wireless card, outdoor case, pigtails,
etc. with an RB532 board is going to be about $350ish without antenna.
Can you give an example of what this PREMIUM price is that you are
willing to pay for the same system certified?
Travis
Microserv
D. Ryan Spott
, did they break the law and should be fined
for violating Part 15?
Is running Linux illegal by the FCC?
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From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 7:17 PM
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I don't really
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Ryan,
Currently a typical MT AP with wireless card, outdoor case, pigtails,
etc. with an RB532 board is going to be about $350ish without antenna.
Can you give an example of what this PREMIUM price is that you are
willing to pay for the same
I found the FCC document regarding the modular certifications. If Mikrotik
would submit (or someone submitted on their behalf, for them) their boards
and representative power supplies, for FCC testing, and passed (no
peripheral cards, they are SEPARATELY tested for FCC compliance by the
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 8:58 PM
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I found the FCC document regarding the modular certifications. If Mikrotik
would submit (or someone submitted on their behalf, for them) their boards
Doug,
You have to certify the system as a whole INCLUDING THE ENCLOSURE and
the power supply and you cannot deviate from the configuration that was
certified.
This cannot be compared to a PC because that is a different
certification. PC's are unintentional radiators the systems in question
certified.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Michael Erskine
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Dawn;
I think you are reading the letter of the law and not understanding the
reality
to sell this to me? My credit card is standing by.
ryan - The troll trying to kill this thread. :P
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 4:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Ryan
George Rogato wrote:
Matt there is a tool for every job. Just because someone uses MT or
Star does not mean they don't use canopy, trango or alvarion as well.
And nobody needs to explain why.
I am well aware of that, which is why we use so many different vendors'
radios. We first started
Travis Johnson wrote:
I said this several months ago and I'll say it again MT and Star-OS
are used because of price. Period.
Thats right, MT and Star are priced to the point a wisp can make the
market happen a whole lot faster than other more expensive solutions.
The guys that cherry
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