RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP

2005-12-28 Thread Paul Hendry
What other things can be assigned per virtual SSID? It would be nice if you could set separate frequencies (or channel bandwidths) but I doubt this is technically possible. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: 27

Re: [WISPA] dual band

2005-12-28 Thread Matt Liotta
http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProducts.do?groupId=345subgroupId=40 -Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for a dual band high gain panel antenna (ie: 2.4ghz and 5ghz 19db+) - does such a beast exist? Thanks Dan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing

2005-12-28 Thread Peter R.
Bob Moldashel wrote: Unfortunately...this is an uphill battle. You need to sell customers on services. DO NOT get into a pricing war with them. You WILL loose Yes..you will wind up with fewer customers. -B- It is not the number of subs, it is the number of PROFITABLE subs that

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios - Advertising Battle

2005-12-28 Thread Peter R.
That's the kind of Guerrilla Advertising YOU should be doing. Pizza boxes, etc. You might have to go with the old stand-by: Do you really want Internet from Your Phone Company? These people can't even get your bill straight. On Triple-Play: I think that this is a ME-TOO strategy. If you are

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing - Triple Play

2005-12-28 Thread Peter R.
If you are going to be Resi, then get a DISH or DTV distributorship and sell them Your VoIP and your Internet and the DBS service. Won't be one bill, but it can be one call. Tom DeReggi wrote: Verizon has been advertising FIOS hard in our markets to, but its been over 6 month for some, since

RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing

2005-12-28 Thread danlist
No, we don't use WIFI, it is strictly a fixed wireless network at this point -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing Is

Re: [WISPA] Re: 70/80/90 GHz licensed, 60 GHz license-exempt

2005-12-28 Thread John Scrivner
Good points. I agree that 60 Ghz is also a nice band for doing this and the same millimeter-wave CMOS chipsets should work equally well in that band just as well. I am thinking that if we see the newer low cost CMOS radios that we will see bulk arrangements made for license-lite database

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing

2005-12-28 Thread Matt Liotta
FYI, when I visited the FCC, they were very specific that Wi-Fi cannot roam. Wi-Fi users can be nomadic in that as they move from AP to AP the client is disconnected and then reconnected. True roaming involves handoffs from node to node like on a cell network. Specifically, a cell phone

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios - Advertising Battle

2005-12-28 Thread John Scrivner
But Resi doesn't have much future in MSAs. Can you explain this statement for me? Excuse my lack of knowledge here. What are you referring to as a MSA? Also let us hear a little more detail about this statement please. Once the client gets FiOS, all copper is clipped - and they cannot

RE: [WISPA] Re: 70/80/90 GHz licensed, 60 GHz license-exempt

2005-12-28 Thread Paul Hendry
Anybody know what the Ofcom rules are in the UK for similar? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Stroh Sent: 28 December 2005 14:30 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Re: 70/80/90 GHz licensed, 60 GHz license-exempt In the US, 70,

Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

2005-12-28 Thread Scott Reed
I like that.  Is 2 ft enough space to hold the other 18 ft?  I would have expected 3ft or more, but the more pipe in the air the better. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net The season is Christmas,

Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

2005-12-28 Thread Tom Andrews
I like the idea, but not the material. I ran into the same type of issue at my house. I have a 50' Pi-Rod Solid rod free standing tower, but needed to be at about 65'. I took 2 10' 1 ID sections of galvanized water pipe, screwed them together and had them arc welded. It was a heavy beast to get

Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

2005-12-28 Thread Scott Reed
I am looking at using 2 industrial tubing or 2 rigid conduit.  1 just wouldn't do and I am leery of 1-1/2 being enough as well. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net The season is Christmas, not X-mas,

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)

2005-12-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
The requirement is for cost to come down. When the cost comes down to the level that we can build the adequate redundancy into our design, it will be a reality to compete. My hope is that GB wireless will get here when it is needed to compete for the market share before FOIS gets it first.

[WISPA] Physical Seperation

2005-12-28 Thread Paul Hendry
Anyone have a good rule of thumb for physical separation of dishes? Looking at installing 3 short masts on a water tower with 2 dishes on each mast. 1 will be horizontal and 1 vertical and both will be 5GHz. Is there a recommendation on how far the 2 antennas should physically be apart to minimize

Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

2005-12-28 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I have used 2 inch pipe before. Got it in a 20ft section. No welding or couplers. Scott Reed wrote: I am looking at using 2" industrial tubing or 2" rigid conduit. 1" just wouldn't do and I am leery of 1-1/2 being enough as well. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking

Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP

2005-12-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
How can I avoid my competition doing this to me? Yes, Hide SSID. However, that does not help, if you are offering a self signup service where seeing the SSID is what brings in the subscriber in the first place. I suggest Virtual APs, so monthly subscribers can be transitioned to a

RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing - Triple Play

2005-12-28 Thread Paul Hendry
Anyone got a way to offer triple play via wireless yet? I heard of someone working on a product but no idea if anything has been released yet. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: 28 December 2005 14:38 To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing - Triple Play - Consumers

2005-12-28 Thread Peter R.
One bill. Yeah, some people like it. But if the combined services are less money, you can make a case for 2 bills. How can you make it easier for them to pay the bill??? Have you seen how hard VZ makes e-bill You need to market to your own customers. Stay in front of them. Let them know

[WISPA] WISPA Buying CoOp

2005-12-28 Thread Charles Wu
Out of curiosity -- how did that end up? Where you able to prove my naysaying wrong? -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] Triple Play

2005-12-28 Thread Peter R.
To quote a DBS guy: The Broadcast TV market is static, at this point, everyone is competing for everyone else's dollars. And at the same time, the networks are releasing shows for download. How much longer before most of the TV shows are downloadable? What happens to broadcast TV then???

RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing - Triple Play

2005-12-28 Thread dustin jurman
Well Tom, it sounds like you should focus on business customers or lower your residential prices so there is no savings when the cable company comes after your customers. You would have to apply your reduced rates across the board to your residential customers. Coming back to a customer after the

[WISPA] anyone ever heard of an Airvast ap?

2005-12-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
thanks! marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

2005-12-28 Thread Bob Moldashel
Scott Reed wrote: I like that. Is 2 ft enough space to hold the other 18 ft? I would have expected 3ft or more, but the more pipe in the air the better. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing

2005-12-28 Thread Bob Moldashel
Peter R. wrote: Bob Moldashel wrote: Unfortunately...this is an uphill battle. You need to sell customers on services. DO NOT get into a pricing war with them. You WILL loose Yes..you will wind up with fewer customers. -B- It is not the number of subs, it is the number of

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing - Triple Play

2005-12-28 Thread Bob Moldashel
dustin jurman wrote: Well Tom, it sounds like you should focus on business customers or lower your residential prices so there is no savings when the cable company comes after your customers. You would have to apply your reduced rates across the board to your residential customers. Coming back

RE: [WISPA] anyone ever heard of an Airvast ap?

2005-12-28 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
http://www.airvast.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:44 PM To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Cc: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

2005-12-28 Thread Scott Reed
Yep, found that mount.  Couple bucks less and Electro-Comm, too. I am looking at Schedule 40 steel pipe, 21' from a local guy.  Almost $100.  Where do you find aluminum, and about how much for 20'? Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and

Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP

2005-12-28 Thread Ron Wallace
Thanks Butch-Original Message-From: Butch Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 06:38 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual APOn Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Ron Wallace wrote:OK guys, what is a virtual AP, if they are more reliable than my existing APs, I

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing - Triple Play

2005-12-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
No, not at all. I vented a frustration that is common in the residential market place. There is still a large resisntential population that feels differently. Residential is the most profitable part of our business today. It keeps our techncians busy, without delays from landlords. We don't

Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP

2005-12-28 Thread Ron Wallace
Well, I certainly am a newbie in many ways.-Original Message-From: Mac Dearman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 07:52 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual APIt is as simple as knowing the MAC addy of your Access Point. You would have to be

RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP

2005-12-28 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
...if you think for one minute you are slowing them down or keeping them out of a specific territory by doing this.. That’s why god invented the canopy cluster... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original

[WISPA] Test message - please ignore

2005-12-28 Thread David E. Smith
Just did a few updates and tweaks (and backups :D ) to the WISPA server, sending a quick test message to make sure it works. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP

2005-12-28 Thread George
Kurt Your killing me. This has to be the lowest underhanded thing I've heard on these list from a fellow wisp. The goal to win is a fine goal, but winning by cheating is not a win at all, it's an admission of failure. You need to understand that integrity and success go hand in hand.

Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

2005-12-28 Thread Jason
List, As a Mechanical Engineer (non-PE), there are 2 obvious failure modes. First, there is the folding of the mast at the top bolt/mount. This is affected by the length of unsupported mast above the pole, the ridigity of the mast material, and the size of the hole you drill into it to

Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (mobility and roaming)

2005-12-28 Thread Haudy Kazemi
Hello, There was some open-source work done that allowed generic 802.11 clients to roam around on a wireless network without breaking stateful/session-orientated connections. It was called Transparent Mobility, and there is code available on the SF site below. I believe it was actually put into