Re: [WISPA] MK VPLS via BGP!

2009-10-12 Thread Paul Hendry
Tested this a while back and although it saves on overhead and CPU, couldn't see how you could implement QoS on wireless links between P routers. How are you implementing QoS across the MPLS network? -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini [mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com] Sent: 10 October

Re: [WISPA] Layer 7 patterns for P2P and viruses / malware

2009-10-12 Thread Jeremy Parr
I thought MT went to great lengths to hide the fact that they are a Linux box with a fancy interface 2009/10/12 Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com: Yeah cut and paste Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Jeremy Parr

Re: [WISPA] Layer 7 patterns for P2P and viruses / malware

2009-10-12 Thread Dennis Burgess
Many portions of MT is not Linux though. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website:

[WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-12 Thread RickG
Here's the scenario: Customer has an aerial ethernet run from his garage to his home. A tree branch fell and cut the line. I told him we'll replace it for a $50 fee. Does this sound fair? Also, does anyone have a fee schedule they use for billable calls? Thanks! -RickG

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-12 Thread Chuck Hogg
$75 for all truck rolls where it is not our fault. Rule of thumb, we get there, plug in our laptop, test. If it works, $75 charge. If it doesn't, service call is free. Also, in aerial Cat5 runs that are more than a few feet the cable will stretch and eventually the cable will fail. Regards,

[WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Randy Cosby
Over the weekend we started getting complaints about a bad linktests for all customers on an old trango AP site. I've tried finding a cleaner channel, but am not having much luck getting good linktests up there. This is one of the first sites I built, and use a couple OSBridge 5Gxi radios to

Re: [WISPA] Layer 7 patterns for P2P and viruses / malware

2009-10-12 Thread Scott Carullo
It sounds like you have never looked at this in the interface before... Cut from website the regex string you want to match... Paste in MT GUI Then use appropriately Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x102 On Oct 12, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: I

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-12 Thread Scott Carullo
Depends who put it there and why If u needed it to provide service I'd just fix it It it was put to hook up another room for cust at their request I'd charge time and material Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x102 On Oct 12, 2009, at 10:52 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Scott Carullo
On same tower That's really hot I'd also do sanity check on your anylizer to ensure you are seeing what you think you are seeing Teoradios on desk usually don't get reading like that and if it were real you ap wouldn't work at all Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x102 On Oct

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-12 Thread Josh Luthman
Fixing it for free is a really bad idea, in my opinion. $50 is very reasonable and a good price. What if it had been some scissor happy kid that cut it and not a tree branch? Can you really tell the difference what caused the problem sometimes? I don't advise doing this stuff for free because

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Josh Luthman
I can say that with two MT swivel antennas blank range (touching each other) they report 0dbm - not positive values... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable,

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Mike
I would definitely start with equipment on site. That has to be an anomaly or something very close to the sense antenna acting up. With free space path loss, any signal arriving from afar and measured at 5 dBm would be killing every bird and bee in the path. You might be overloading the PA.

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-12 Thread Robert West
I agree. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule Depends who put it there and why If u needed it to

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Ed Spoon
The Trango AP should have a built in test as well that will show noise on all channels. We have had to replace 5830 AP's in the past with this issue, usually after a weather event. Ed Spoon CSS Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Randy Cosby

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
If we do work for a customer, we usually charge $50. Usually it takes 5 minutes and I'll cut it in half. If it takes longer than that, it's done $50 per hour. Work for non internet customers is $65/hour in shop, $85 on site. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Josh Luthman
Trango APs have a site survey tool, however, it requires a reboot and you a) have to catch it within 30s of bootup or b) set default opmode to OFF. I advise the first option - this way you never run into an issue with power failures for 5 minutes bringing your customers down until you click on.

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Lakeland
Randy, You cant go by that spectrum analyzer. Something is wrong. Most receivers can't handle 5dbm pumped into them without killing them. -B- Randy Cosby writes: Over the weekend we started getting complaints about a bad linktests for all customers on an old trango AP site.

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-12 Thread Scott Carullo
5 minutes to replace Ariel cable between buildings... I'm hiring lol Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x102 On Oct 12, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: If we do work for a customer, we usually charge $50. Usually it takes 5 minutes and I'll

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Mike Hammett
That reminds me of George Carlin. Weathermen on television talk about shower activity. Sounds more important than showers. I even heard one guy on CNN talk about a rain event. I swear to God, he said, Louisiana is expecting a rain event. And I thought, Holy shit, I hope I can get tickets to

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-12 Thread Mike
If it is a good customer, I'd either do it for nothing, or for materials. You may just retain that customer for the next two years because of your good will. If he is prepared for $50 and its easy and doesn't take you long, you can say give me $20.00 for the cable and the custom ends, and

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Josh Luthman
As much as I hate getting off topic...I really miss George Carlin =( Screw you I'm getting IN the plane! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Randy Cosby
Quite likely you're right. I tried shutting off the trango AP's with no luck - same bad spectrum analysis. I'm next going to go on site and do linktests on the AP's with the backhaul off. My suspicion is the backhaul is bad - at least the spectrum analysis, but it is potentially the source

[WISPA] FreeRadius / Accounting data

2009-10-12 Thread Mark McElvy
I am running FreeRadius and FreeSide usinf PPPoE. Freeside currently does not give me the reports I need for my accounting data. When I run a report, it gives you details on each record but does not give you totals for each user. I would like to generate a report that would give me upload/download

Re: [WISPA] FreeRadius / Accounting data

2009-10-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
We've got mostly the same thing running here. If you figure that out please let me know! marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: [WISPA] FreeRadius / Accounting data I

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-12 Thread Jerry Richardson
More than fair. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] billable fee schedule Here's the scenario: Customer has an aerial ethernet run from

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-12 Thread Dennis Burgess
Sounds cheap --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-12 Thread Tom Sharples
FWIW we charge $95 hour for field work. We usually eat the travel time if it's close-in. Your fee sound very fair. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:13 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] FreeRadius / Accounting data

2009-10-12 Thread Jeremy Parr
Netlow export on your pppoe concentrator? On 10/12/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I am running FreeRadius and FreeSide usinf PPPoE. Freeside currently does not give me the reports I need for my accounting data. When I run a report, it gives you details on each record but does not

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-12 Thread Andy Trimmell
We would charge $75 with this occurrence, you're very fair. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule FWIW we

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Scott Carullo
Just do a survey on the AP, really thats all that matters... its easy takes a few minutes and you have the data you need to make educated decision. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com Sent: Monday, October

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Randy Cosby
Did that - don't have the results here with me, but there was quite a poor noise floor around the middle of the band - just like the osbridge reported. Not nearly as severe though. Randy Scott Carullo wrote: Just do a survey on the AP, really thats all that matters... its easy takes a

[WISPA] Need service in Western Catskills in NY. was - Re: WISP

2009-10-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi All, Can anyone help a stranded motorist? Ann, someone here should be able to help you out. Please feel free to touch base with any questions that you may have. Laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Anna Manzi To: o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009

Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

2009-10-12 Thread ccrum
You hit the nail on the head. Lower frequencies means bigger antennas...lots bigger. If you think the 900 sectors are large, just wait until you get to 700, or as someone said earlier, 100MHz. Ever seen a ham tower with a long wire stretched between the tower and a couple of trees? Now think

Re: [WISPA] Layer 7 patterns for P2P and viruses / malware

2009-10-12 Thread Butch Evans
On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 23:14 -0400, Jeremy Parr wrote: The L7 filters at sourceforge (http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/protocols) are accurate and work fine for the most part. I have, yet, to run into one that doesn't. I have to say that my testing has been a little limited, however. I

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-12 Thread Jason Hensley
In our situation, if it's something that is natural causes (trees, lightning, squirrels, etc) that affects our equipment we fix it for free. If we get out there and it is nothing with our equipment, or we find out roofers did it, weedeater did it, anything that was caused by careless human hands

Re: [WISPA] Layer 7 patterns for P2P and viruses / malware

2009-10-12 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 09:52 -0500, Dennis Burgess wrote: Many portions of MT is not Linux though. Huh? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network

Re: [WISPA] Layer 7 patterns for P2P and viruses / malware

2009-10-12 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 10:41 -0400, Jeremy Parr wrote: I thought MT went to great lengths to hide the fact that they are a Linux box with a fancy interface From: http://www.mikrotik.com/pdf/what_is_routeros.pdf you will find this: RouterOS is a stand-alone operating system based on the

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Randy Cosby
Well, we replaced the backhaul (osbridge) and get the same readings on the new one. The old one does not get the same readings when moved to another location, so it's picking up SOMETHING. Powered down everything else, same problem. So, someone is slamming me with a ton of signal near

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Robert West
They announced at the seminar in Chicago that the 5ghz AirView is in the works and should be coming down the pipe soon. (Soon with UBNT is subjective to whether you work for UBNT or not.) :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Dennis Burgess
Randy, something inexpensive would be http://www.linktechs.net/speca.asp. Under 2k and goes up to 6gig! --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Jerry Richardson
I have one - works well enough to get an idea of what's going on. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 1:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis -

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread eje
http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=Wi%2DSpyDBxeq=Tp= MetaGeek's Wi-SpyDBx can do what you need to. Covers both 2.4 and 5GHz (actually can even do 4.9GHz) Nifty tool with great software. Got a client server solution both for windows and Linux. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread jp
I would suspect something on the same tower. Do you keep an online inventory of all your ap's/backhauls at all of your sites, and what frequencies they use? Review that before going out. I like the spectrum analyzer in the alvarion VL radios. Tells what OFDM and non-OFDM stuff it picks up and

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Gary McWhirter
Cabling? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: Well, we replaced the backhaul (osbridge) and get the same readings on the new one. The old one does not get the same readings when moved to another location, so it's picking up SOMETHING. Powered down

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Randy Cosby
It's actually a hotel up on a hill. There is a cell phone tower nearby, no new stuff that we can see, but we'll scan as soon as we can. Randy jp wrote: I would suspect something on the same tower. Do you keep an online inventory of all your ap's/backhauls at all of your sites, and what

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Randy Cosby
Are you saying you think the 5875 signal could be coming through cabling? Like a bad poe injector or something? Randy Gary McWhirter wrote: Cabling? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: Well, we replaced the backhaul (osbridge) and get the same

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Mike
I'll second that. I have used the various 2.4 G versions for a few years. They now have an sma connector for external antenna. The only drawback is they have to be plugged into a USB port. Witht the right directional antenna it may be possible to find the direction the offending signal

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Mike
Wow, Blackberrys are cool; they can send messages from the future! At 04:52 PM 10/12/2009, you wrote: http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=Wi%2DSpyDBxeq=Tp= MetaGeek's Wi-SpyDBx can do what you need to. Covers both 2.4 and 5GHz (actually can even do 4.9GHz) Nifty tool with great

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Gary McWhirter
absolutely. is it shielded? even more likely now that we know about the cell tower... On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: Are you saying you think the 5875 signal could be coming through cabling? Like a bad poe injector or something? Randy Gary

Re: [WISPA] FreeRadius / Accounting data

2009-10-12 Thread Tim Sylvester
If you store the accounting data in MySQL, you can perform the following SQL query to list the number of bytes Downloaded, Uploaded, Total Bytes by user for a give time period. select username, sum(acctinputoctets) as Download, sum(acctoutputoctets) as Upload, sum(acctinputoctets +

Re: [WISPA] Need service in Western Catskills in NY. was - Re: WISP

2009-10-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
More info marlon - Original Message - From: Anna Manzi To: Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: Re: Need service in Western Catskills in NY. was - Re: WISP Thanks My zip code is 12783 Swan Lake, New York

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread ccrum
You can pick up an older Tektroniks 492p off ebay for around $1000. A couple hundred for a new calibration and you've got a spectrum analyzer that works from 50kHz to 21 GHz...and they are military rated meaning they are tough as nails. Just make sure you've got a good winch to get it up the

Re: [WISPA] spectrum analysis - 5dBm interference at 5785

2009-10-12 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
Yes. I have one also and there is no comparison to the Aaronia, et al garbage. I wouldn't even think of trying to get it up a tower though... Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com ccrum wrote:

Re: [WISPA] FreeRadius / Accounting data

2009-10-12 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 10:50 -0500, Mark McElvy wrote: I am running FreeRadius and FreeSide usinf PPPoE. Freeside currently does not give me the reports I need for my accounting data. When I run a report, it gives you details on each record but does not give you totals for each user. I would

Re: [WISPA] FreeRadius / Accounting data

2009-10-12 Thread eje
What data exactly would you need, in what kind of format and what time period? In Gatespot I give access to a lot of the data in different ways and places but don't do any export function but wouldn't be hard. Plus of course that pulling that data only wouldn't require Gatespot if you already

Re: [WISPA] FreeRadius / Accounting data

2009-10-12 Thread Mark McElvy
That was very useful, I was able to cut and paste in into Excel so I could sort. You seem to have gotten the UL and DL labels backward. And the total ends up in the same column as the UL number. Another issue is that there are some accounting records that cross the first of the month. Is there

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-12 Thread RickG
If done correctly, using a separate tension wire, an aerial can last a long time. -RickG On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: $75 for all truck rolls where it is not our fault.  Rule of thumb, we get there, plug in our laptop, test.  If it works, $75 charge.  

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-12 Thread RickG
I used to think that but I have found no matter how much you give away, there is no loyalty! The monthly rate is all most care about. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: If it is a good customer, I'd either do it for nothing, or for materials.  You may just retain

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-12 Thread RickG
I guess the issue is that this is a special setup that they require in order to receive the signal, not a normal setup. Thanks to all for the replies! -RickG On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: In our situation, if it's something that is natural causes

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-12 Thread RickG
Oh, I'm actually looking for a rate schedule to pay contracted installers for trouble calls. I.e. Replace radio = $15 Rerun cable = $30 etc. etc. -RickG On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:52 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Here's the scenario: Customer has an aerial ethernet run from his garage

Re: [WISPA] FreeRadius / Accounting data

2009-10-12 Thread Tim Sylvester
That was very useful, I was able to cut and paste in into Excel so I could sort. Good! You seem to have gotten the UL and DL labels backward. And the total ends up in the same column as the UL number. Opps! Another issue is that there are some accounting records that cross the first of

Re: [WISPA] FreeRadius / Accounting data

2009-10-12 Thread Marco Coelho
Get a copy of ICRadius and borrow their Web Interface. The reports are built in. You may need to change some things to match your configuration. Here's a snippet: Usage Report Start Time: Order By Stop Time: Asc Desc radacct radacct_summary UsernameHours used

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-12 Thread Mike
When I was a young man, a writer, I was idealistic and ready to conquer the world. In short order I grew up and lost my idealism. Since starting this business I have regained some of that idealism. My experience is the opposite. I usually take care of those customers who need minor help

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-12 Thread RickG
Mike, Since I began working, even as a teenager, I worked 60-80 hours a week giving customers the best I could. I'm now 49 and still work at least that many hours. At least now, I own my company and do it for myself. In fact, before I owned my own company my reputation was Mr.Service. Heck, I've

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-12 Thread Mike
Similar to your example of perceived value, we extract a capital fee up front when putting on a new customer. My accountant described it like joining a health club, you get to use the equipment but don't get to take it home. The fee is the real cost of installing. Easy ones are 150 bucks.