Re: [WISPA] FCC Enforcements

2010-03-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Military radars - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 9:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC

[WISPA] 100 megs to 100 million by 2020? Certainly

2010-03-14 Thread Mike Hammett
I don't see this being a problem at all, and WISPs should be able to play this game as well. from 1999 to 2009, 802.11 went from 11 megabits to 150 megabits at a minimum (okay, halve these numbers for real throughputs). Following that trend, 2019 should have us with products at least 2 GB/s

[WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are getting about 1

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Steven G McGehee
Hi Kurt, What we decided to do a few years ago was let the residential users go, basically. We knew we couldn't compete with the telcos/cable co. increasingly lower prices so our sales guys (I'm a tech) changed tactics and just focused on businesses -- offering them multi-megabit upstream

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Jayson Baker
We offer something the telco never will... A local business with local, friendly support staff. All calls are answered and handled locally. We promote this heavily--and a lot of people are willing to pay more for it. On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Steven G McGehee stev...@qx.net wrote: Hi

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Steven G McGehee
That's a great point and we've noticed that too -- in fact, some of our phone techs will inform us that customers stuck with us or even switched back to us after dealing with poor (phone) support from the bigger companies. It's a good feeling, and it does still mean a lot to many people out

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Jayson Baker
Oh yeah--that helps too. We flat-rate everything. $24.95/mo for your Internet includes your taxes, your fees, your equipment rental. $19.95/mo for your Phone includes taxes, fees, equipment rental, E911, and everything else. And we don't have contracts. We tell everyone, if you like us you'll

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Gotta offer higher speeds. Better service (customer service especially). Get a REAL bill from one of your customers. It won't be for $15. They'll have taxes, usage fees, modem rental etc. tacked on there. I've asked people that have switched from us to give us a copy of the bill so we can

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Jayson Baker
Bassturds! On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Gotta offer higher speeds. Better service (customer service especially). Get a REAL bill from one of your customers. It won't be for $15. They'll have taxes, usage fees, modem rental etc. tacked

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Richey
What would you do if another upstream provider came to you and offered you a connection for more than half of the price? You have to lead, follow, or get out of the way. If you sit on you $35/mo for 768k and do not offer a faster tier or lower your prices you will lose subs.As much as

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
$15 DSL is typically, only half the story, the telco's make about $50-$70 in phone line billing They are not selling $15 Naked DSL... I believe the best counter to this is for the WISP, to strength's their network and offer voice services Nothing is a perfect solution, but also

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Travis Johnson
Do what we did with VoIP. Get a copy of a competitors bill so you have exact numbers, and then create a page on your homepage that shows those exact numbers. Qwest DSL in our area adds about 20% for taxes, surcharges, etc. but a lot of people don't know that. Travis Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Travis Johnson
I disagree with no contracts. Many times people get upset for reasons outside of our control (viruses, antenna damage, water in broken cable). If we didn't have a contract in place, they would just cancel. Otherwise, we at least have a chance to talk to them and see if we can fix it _before_

Re: [WISPA] Wireless Digest, Vol 27, Issue 22

2010-03-14 Thread WWS2
Travis [and others]: If you have NOT given them written authorization for them to do a 'draft' check [or ACH] from your account, you can contact your bank and have them return any unauthorized debits. Walter In a message dated 3/14/2010 1:00:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Jayson Baker
But if they just truly just don't like you and don't want your service, they are penalized to get out of a contract. We switch a LOT of people over from the local telco, who has been contracting people as much as they can. People HATE that company for that. And bad mouth them all over town for

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 03/14/2010 11:05 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not raise the rate from $15. Think its

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread RickG
Ditto on that! On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I disagree with no contracts. Many times people get upset for reasons outside of our control (viruses, antenna damage, water in broken cable). If we didn't have a contract in place, they would just cancel.

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread RickG
I give them an option for a contract. Higher price without. Most choose the contract so its their choice! On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: But if they just truly just don't like you and don't want your service, they are penalized to get out of a

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Travis Johnson
True... but we are also heavily discounting the installation (down to free)... it's hard to make money if you do a free install, and then a month later they get a DSL promo in the mail and switch. You have lost about $200 on that one customer. And _every_ cell phone company in the nation does

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Cricket doesn't do contracts for sure. The other prepaid companies typically don't either. On 3/14/10, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: True... but we are also heavily discounting the installation (down to free)... it's hard to make money if you do a free install, and then a month later

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Larry Strittmatter
We use a contract as a way to offer the discounted installation. We also offer a no contract installation that is priced accordingly, we are whole when the install is complete. Larry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] here it come$

2010-03-14 Thread Larry Yunker
If you have Time Warner IPs and Time Warner allows you to send EPSN360 traffic down their pipe on those IPs you might be able to use that situation to solve this problem. For example, for a time, I was operating with redundant feeds (two different internet providers) one of which allowed access

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Approved Ad] IPiFony

2010-03-14 Thread Richey
I'm going to chime in and say we are very happy as well. We went live in December of 2009. You get more than just software you get what feels like a partner who is very interested in seeing you succeed. They come to your site to install the switch, train you and help to tune your network to

Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

2010-03-14 Thread Jeremie Chism
I worked for centurytel for 5 1/2 years. I never met a person who was happy with the phone service. Heck I don't know too many happy employees there either. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Bassturds! On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at

[WISPA] Optoisolator for Ethernet?

2010-03-14 Thread Greg Ihnen
I've seen a telephone (copper pair) optoisolator which had a short piece of fiberoptic cable inside. Each circuit on both sides of the cable had their own highly isolated power supplies. This was the only thing that worked in the Amazon region to stop phone equipment from getting wiped out

[WISPA] AP Weirdness

2010-03-14 Thread Mark McElvy
I am still having troubles with an AP. One of three on a water tower, MT 3.30, RB532A/WLM54G30-ESD, 802.11B/20 and PPPoE via Radius. What seems to be happening, subs are staying associated but losing PPPoE authentication. You see authentication request over and over again. Radius on the AP shows

[WISPA] RIVERSIDE NEEDS YOU

2010-03-14 Thread Chuck Profito
ATT Wants to Dump Riverside Network on City One of the legacy muni-Fi networks will have new (or no) owners: Esme Vos writes at MuniWireless.com about the current state of the Riverside, Calif., network operated by ATT. The network was the first and only bid by ATT with MetroFi, which was unable

Re: [WISPA] Optoisolator for Ethernet?

2010-03-14 Thread Philip Dorr
We use two fiber transceivers and a jumper on our ethernet when we want to have electrical isolation. On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen a telephone (copper pair) optoisolator which had a short piece of fiberoptic cable inside. Each circuit on both

Re: [WISPA] RIVERSIDE NEEDS YOU

2010-03-14 Thread Josh Luthman
That's like giving away your family pet after it got hit by a car. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Mar 14, 2010

Re: [WISPA] Optoisolator for Ethernet?

2010-03-14 Thread Greg Ihnen
That sounds expensive. I wonder if that would help in where there's rf problems like at high power broadcast colo's Greg On Mar 14, 2010, at 10:11 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: We use two fiber transceivers and a jumper on our ethernet when we want to have electrical isolation. On Sun, Mar 14,

Re: [WISPA] Optoisolator for Ethernet?

2010-03-14 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 14 March 2010 23:05, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: That sounds expensive. I wonder if that would help in where there's rf problems like at high power broadcast colo's Not terribly expensive. http://www.google.com/products?q=100base+fx+media+converterspell=1oi=spell

Re: [WISPA] Optoisolator for Ethernet?

2010-03-14 Thread Justin Wilson
We have done fiber to ethernet converters on FM towers. The telephone option you spoke of earlier was most likely DC powered which would be much more isolation. We do 1 FM tower where 100 meg ethernet would not link. Had to have power to power the ethernet to Fiber converter at top but

Re: [WISPA] here it come$

2010-03-14 Thread RickG
Thats the ticket :) Thanks! On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.com wrote: If you have Time Warner IPs and Time Warner allows you to send EPSN360 traffic down their pipe on those IPs you might be able to use that situation to solve this problem. For example,

Re: [WISPA] RIVERSIDE NEEDS YOU

2010-03-14 Thread RickG
You're world delivered :) On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That's like giving away your family pet after it got hit by a car. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not