Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality bandwidth providers

owireless.net> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 10:23:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality bandwidth providers Torrent traffic is less than 1% of our network traffic. It's never been a big deal for us like it probably once was. On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 9:1

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

ubject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers I would agree with Adair, Torrent is a non-issue for us. We have seen more complaints from Windows Update and Xbox Live Updates impacting customers connections, meaning they call in and say “I am paying for 20 Meg service and when I r

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality bandwidth providers

Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality bandwidth providers Dan,   You have to understand if you're selling a residential internet package, it is NOT dedicated. There has to be some over

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality bandwidth providers

ur marketing and service plans.    As as they say, live by the sword, die by the sword.    Jared   Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 at 8:07 PM From: "Vance Shipley" <van...@sigscale.com> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality bandwidth providers

Dan, You have to understand if you're selling a residential internet package, it is NOT dedicated. There has to be some oversubscription allowed for the ISP to make a profit. If every sub we had used their plan 24/7 and expected the speed to always be there and not dip down, we wouldn't make

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

Lucky you!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 12/15/17 09:40, Josh Luthman wrote: > > Do you not have a DMCA contact? I get these things daily and I

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

On 12/15/17 09:40, Josh Luthman wrote: > Do you not have a DMCA contact?  I get these things daily and I have a > pretty small customer count with a geographic that I would suspect is > minimally using Bittorrent. > Not daily, no. Maybe once or twice a month for me. ~Seth

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality bandwidth providers

On Dec 15, 2017 23:29, "Dan Thompson" wrote: How is using what you pay for abuse? In both instances described, the customer is using a large chunk of their bandwidth, but not using more than the plan alots. Fallacy. Imagine your local "all you can eat" buffet

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

game. >> Luckily, we can manage this with our Procera now so we don’t hear >> from customers as much.>> __ __ >> Kris McElroy >> __ __ >> __ __ >> __ __ >> *From: *<wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Mike Hammett >> <wispawireless@ics

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality bandwidth providers

customers as much.   Kris McElroy       From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> Date: Friday, December 15, 2017 at 9:51 AM To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org&g

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

t; > *Reply-To: *WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> > *Date: *Friday, December 15, 2017 at 9:51 AM > *To: *WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers > > > > Fair how? > > > > - >

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

Do you not have a DMCA contact? I get these things daily and I have a pretty small customer count with a geographic that I would suspect is minimally using Bittorrent. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 12:38

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

On 12/13/17 9:04 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > I want to be able to throttle torrent users. Beyond that, I don't think it > will affect us much in areas of high-competition. I don't really see torrents as a major thing anymore, not like what it used to be anyway.

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

5, 2017 at 9:51 AM To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers Fair how? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [mage removed by sender.]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[mage remo

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

15, 2017 9:43:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers Because it's the fair thing to do. As a neighbour I would greatly appreciate it. On Dec 15, 2017 21:05, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: Why? - Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

ube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> > *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 13, 2017 11:04:43 AM > *Subject: *

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

erswisp> > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> > *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 13, 201

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

3, 2017 11:04:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers I want to be able to throttle torrent users. Beyond that, I don't think it will affect us much in areas of high-competition. Rory -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-b

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality bandwidth providers

Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Seth Mattinen > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:57 PM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers > > On 12/10/17 2:44 PM, Chadwick Wachs

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality bandwidth providers

Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:57 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers On 12/10/17 2:44 PM, Chadwick Wachs wrote: > What are the

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers On 12/10/17 2:44 PM, Chadwick Wachs wrote: > What are the current thoughts on the effects of net neutrality being > over turned on our bandwidth providers? I understand how the cable and > DSL compan

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

On 12/10/17 2:44 PM, Chadwick Wachs wrote: > What are the current thoughts on the effects of net neutrality being > over turned on our bandwidth providers? I understand how the cable and > DSL companies may react but as a small WISP, I've been thinking this > will have little impact on us and

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ---------- > *From: *"Chadwick Wac

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

reless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 4:44:34 PM Subject: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers What are the current thoughts on the effects of net neutrality being over turned on our bandwidth providers? I understand how the cable and DSL companies may react but as a s

[WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

What are the current thoughts on the effects of net neutrality being over turned on our bandwidth providers? I understand how the cable and DSL companies may react but as a small WISP, I've been thinking this will have little impact on us and our customers (since we don't intend on changing our

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

etc. etc. etc. Pay for what you use, not what your neighbor uses. marlon From: Joe Fiero Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end I don’t comment all that often here, but very much pay attention to the voices

[WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

http://www.droid-life.com/2014/07/30/12-a-month-for-facebook-sprint-tramples-over-net-neutrality-with-new-prepaid-plan/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+DroidLife+%28Droid+Life%29utm_content=FaceBook Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

Or the beginning of new law suits On Jul 31, 2014 10:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

Or the beginning of new business opportunities for smaller companies. On 7/31/14, 11:07 AM, Clay Stewart wrote: Or the beginning of new law suits On Jul 31, 2014 10:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

Oh it's great for business. Terrible for free speech. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Or the beginning of new business opportunities for smaller

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

a monthly fee. Likewise for other streaming services. This way the user pays, not everyone. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Net neutrality

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

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Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

, July 31, 2014 9:38:42 AM Subject: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end http://www.droid-life.com/2014/07/30/12-a-month-for-facebook-sprint-tramples-over-net-neutrality-with-new-prepaid-plan/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+DroidLife+%28Droid+Life

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end Oh it's great for business. Terrible for free speech. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

- From: Joe Fiero joe1...@optonline.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:15:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end I don’t comment all that often here, but very much pay attention to the voices of experience. On Net

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end You don't need NetFlix to pay you for a fast lane... just meet them in their dozen or so

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

fees. Just saying…… From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end You don't need NetFlix to pay you for a fast lane

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

: Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:40:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end I don’t believe that to be most everyone’s gripe. Internet and transport are cheap in comparison to backhaul and the labor required to implement. We have around 250 links, if you take Netflix out

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:45:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end Do you get the connection to that facility for free? This is just like every time the bandwidth cost discussion comes up. The prices that people post that they’re paying

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:39 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end http://www.droid-life.com/2014/07/30/12-a-month-for-facebook-sprint-tramples-over

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

On 07/31/2014 11:15 AM, Joe Fiero wrote: Netflix, Hulu, and the like have created a business model where they have no cost to deliver a product to their users.  They are using the infrastructure built and paid for by others, then stirring up the

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

I don't, no. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tim Densmore tdensm...@tarpit.cybermesa.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:31:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

Not this WISP... -Mike On Thursday, July 31, 2014, Tim Densmore tdensm...@tarpit.cybermesa.com wrote: On 07/31/2014 11:15 AM, Joe Fiero wrote: Netflix, Hulu, and the like have created a business model where they have no cost to deliver a product to their users. They are using the

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

And that was an extremely painful thread on NANOG, BTW On Thursday, July 31, 2014, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: Not this WISP... -Mike On Thursday, July 31, 2014, Tim Densmore tdensm...@tarpit.cybermesa.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tdensm...@tarpit.cybermesa.com'); wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

Absolutely - I didn't mean to rekindle it here.  I'm just surprised when I see that kind of viewpoint, and I'm I'm trying to understand it a little better, hopefully with a lot less saber rattling than in that thread.  I currently agree with most of the posters in the

[WISPA] Net Neutrality Comedy

http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/nnj3ic/end-of-net-neutrality Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

useful (mountains, forest). ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 7:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality Glad to hear

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

++ -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 2:54 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality At the end of the day it boils down to whether its justified for a WISP to risk going to court. Admittedly, any government industry

[WISPA] Net Neutrality

Monday morning I got a phone call from a 202 number and answered it. The name sounded vaguely familiar, but he finally identified himself as the assistant to my congressman. Ahh, now I know why I recognize the name. Been in politics around here for many years. State and federal.

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality, in this case USF

Nice job! You said most of our talking points on this, I only wish all Congress would remember where they come from and give their WISP a call, maybe more members could do what you did and initiate the call to get the dialogue started. While USF is outside of Congress the FCC sure listens to

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Glad to hear someone up there in DC is listening. Did you happen to mention anything about our need of access to TVWS? Scriv On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:56 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Monday morning I got a phone call from a 202 number and answered it. The name sounded vaguely

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality Hi there, Unfortunately I would love to agree with Matt and the fact that I paid for the network so I should be able to do what I want with it, however, the way it is currently written, if you provide internet service (which I believe we all do) you

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 5:55 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality “The fact that the DC Circuit (their motto: We hate the FCC) got the case raises the odds even more.” LOL...have I mentioned how much I enjoy having you back on lists Fred? Regards, Jeff

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 09:19, Tony Iacopi t...@razzolink.com wrote: Unfortunately I would love to agree with Matt and the fact that I paid for the network so I should be able to do what I want with it, however, the way it is currently written, if you provide internet service (which I believe

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

, 2011 10:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 09:19, Tony Iacopi t...@razzolink.com wrote: Unfortunately I would love to agree with Matt and the fact that I paid for the network so I should be able to do what I want with it, however, the way

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

, October 28, 2011 10:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 09:19, Tony Iacopi t...@razzolink.com wrote: Unfortunately I would love to agree with Matt and the fact that I paid for the network so I should be able to do what I want with it, however

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

I am working with two law firms which I hope to announce today, that will be marketing Open Internet (Net Neutrality) Disclosure Compliance Statements templates or assistance at a relatively low cost.  They are doing this for WISPA members.  All ISP’s must be in compliance and have statements

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 3:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality I am working with two law firms which I hope to announce today, that will be marketing Open Internet (Net Neutrality

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 3:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality I am working with two law firms which I hope to announce today, that will be marketing Open Internet (Net Neutrality) Disclosure Compliance Statements

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality At 10/25/2011 07:43 PM, Matt Larsen wrote: If you are a Title II regulated telco, they might apply to you. As an operator

[WISPA] Net Neutrality

Hi there, Just got off the phone with my FCC attorney and the Net Neutrality rules are back on and we are to comply by Nov. 20th. Has anyone done anything regarding this, we are working on it but would like to know what others are doing. Let me know. Thanks Tony Iacopi 831-902-0700

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

If you are a Title II regulated telco, they might apply to you. As an operator of a privately funded broadband network, Net Neutrality does not apply to you. You paid for it, you can do what you want with it. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 10/25/2011 4:46 PM, Tony Iacopi wrote: Hi there,

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

At 10/25/2011 07:43 PM, Matt Larsen wrote: If you are a Title II regulated telco, they might apply to you. As an operator of a privately funded broadband network, Net Neutrality does not apply to you. You paid for it, you can do what you want with it. Legally, per the letter of the

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality... Two articles...

*Sent:* Saturday, March 05, 2011 1:09 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] net neutrality... Two articles... http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/147121-house-leadership-questions-why-industry-isnt-fighting-in-net-regs?tmpl=componentprint=1page= Excerpt: House

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality... Two articles...

Message - From: MDK To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 1:08 AM Subject: [WISPA] net neutrality... Two articles... http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/147121-house-leadership-questions-why-industry-isnt-fighting-in-net-regs?tmpl=componentprint

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality... Two articles...

- Original Message - From: MDK To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 1:08 AM Subject: [WISPA] net neutrality... Two articles... http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/147121-house-leadership-questions-why-industry-isnt-fighting-in-net-regs?tmpl

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality... Two articles...

To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] net neutrality... Two articles... http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/147121-house-leadership- questions-why-industry-isnt-fighting-in-net-regs?tmpl=component http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/147121-house-leadership -questions

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality... Two articles...

++ From: Rick Harnish Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 7:49 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] net neutrality... Two articles... Mark, Why don't you join WISPA and be part of the process instead of taking pot shots from the hinterlands. It is time you stepped up to be counted

[WISPA] net neutrality... Two articles...

http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/147121-house-leadership-questions-why-industry-isnt-fighting-in-net-regs?tmpl=componentprint=1page= Excerpt: House GOP Whip Kevin McCarthy (Calif.) convened a meeting of top communications companies on Wednesday morning, where he questioned why

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski

: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski At 9/2/2010 05:59 PM, you wrote: How, uhh.. .do they propose to ban doing this? By permitting specialized services (anything other than a bog-neutral wide open Internet service) only under limited conditions. Among them

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski

. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.comFred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 7:43 PM To: mailto:wireless@wispa.orgWISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from

[WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski

Yesterday, the Chairman released a statement on net neutrality, which basically said We need more public comment. This an excerpt from his published statement: Recent events have highlighted questions on how open Internet rules should apply to 'specialized' services and to mobile broadband --

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski

At 9/2/2010 03:20 PM, MDK wrote: Yesterday, the Chairman released a statement on net neutrality, which basically said We need more public comment. Yes, we'll need to send in more posts to keep them from producing rules that put WISPs and other competitive ISPs out of business. It looks as if

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski

02, 2010 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski At 9/2/2010 03:20 PM, MDK wrote: Yesterday, the Chairman released a statement on net neutrality, which basically said We need more public comment. Yes, we'll need to send

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski

How, uhh.. .do they propose to ban doing this? Note how the proposed rules essentially outlaw the competitive provision of non-POTS telecommunications service (anything but plain Internet access). They suggest that a large ISP is allowed to offer some small percentage of their network

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski

At 9/2/2010 05:59 PM, you wrote: How, uhh.. .do they propose to ban doing this? By permitting specialized services (anything other than a bog-neutral wide open Internet service) only under limited conditions. Among them are these proposals, from the new Further Inquiry: (E) Limit

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

. marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet... Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if you limited their throughput

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

, 2010 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet... Fred, Many WISPs throttle throughput according to the terms of the contracted service that each customer purchases. For example, if a WISP sells 1 Mb down and 512k up then they limit throughput to somewhere near

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

Our TOS states if they want to run servers then they need a dedicated line. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 11:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

Competition is what keeps your upstream from doing that. Even if you have T-1 service in BFE, you can get a T-1 from any major IXC anywhere T-1s are available. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/3/2010 11:09 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Comments

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

thinking they are going to be everyone's savior. Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet... Comments inline

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

that at some point the government needs to stop thinking they are going to be everyone's savior. Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] net

[WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

On the political side of the issue, the anti-Genakowski allies are increasing in number and strength. http://biggovernment.com/smotley/2010/08/03/another-week-of-growing-opposition-to-fccs-internet-grab/#more-152353 I, for one, think that if Comcast Charter or Qwest, or anyone, started

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

That's what I don't understand... some people are so for Net Neutrality, but every unhappy incumbent customer is a potential sale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/3/2010 12:34 PM, MDK wrote: On the political side of the issue, the

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

That whole slippery slope thing. Its easy to forget that once they (They are them. They are they. That are the Men in Black) it will not be simple or easy. Once telcos really start losing to WISPs you will see them fight all the harder. There are some good telcos out there (IIRC some one on the

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

At 8/3/2010 04:58 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: That's what I don't understand... some people are so for Net Neutrality, but every unhappy incumbent customer is a potential sale. I've long opposed network neutrality rules on grounds that it could put most WISPs out of business. You'd be forced to

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if you limited their throughput to the Terms and Conditions of their contract where you would specify the amount of bandwidth that you were supplying them and limiting them to? Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/3/2010 04:58 PM, Mike

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet... Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if you limited their throughput to the Terms and Conditions of their contract where you would specify the amount

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

At 8/3/2010 06:24 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if you limited their throughput to the Terms and Conditions of their contract where you would specify the amount of bandwidth that you were supplying them and limiting them to? You could

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

Fred, Many WISPs throttle throughput according to the terms of the contracted service that each customer purchases. For example, if a WISP sells 1 Mb down and 512k up then they limit throughput to somewhere near those levels. Under those conditions, a customer can have a file or web server

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

At 8/3/2010 09:03 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Fred, Many WISPs throttle throughput according to the terms of the contracted service that each customer purchases. For example, if a WISP sells 1 Mb down and 512k up then they limit throughput to somewhere near those levels. Under those conditions, a

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...

Comments inline. Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/3/2010 09:03 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Fred, Many WISPs throttle throughput according to the terms of the contracted service that each customer purchases. For example, if a WISP sells 1 Mb down and 512k up then they limit throughput to

[WISPA] Net Neutrality, RIP

http://government.zdnet.com/?p=8277page=3tag=col1;post-8277 Andy Trimmell - Network Administrator Precision Data Solutions, LLC atrimm...@precisionds.com 317.831.3000 http://www.pdswireless.com WISPA

[WISPA] net neutrality article

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/01/net-neutrality-plan-would-permit-blocking-bittorrent http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/28/1431214/FCCs-Net-Neutrality-Plan-Blocks-BitTorrent -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036

Re: [WISPA] net neutrality article

Do not feed the troll (repeat) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/01/net-neutrality-plan-would-permit-blocking-bittorrent http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/28/1431214/FCCs-Net-Neutrality-Plan-Blocks-BitTorrent --

[WISPA] Net Neutrality: The Canadians Get it Right!

http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/2714 Lets hope the FCC can make a ruling as balanced and appropriate as this one. Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

, September 25, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality ? On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Tell that to espn. marlon - Original Message - From: Clint Ricker cric...@kentnis.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

Hammett Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality I've looked into doing traditional TV over IP and wireless networks... You can't obtain a license for traditional TV over wireless networks. I wouldn't mind coming up with a half assed list

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