Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-11 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly If WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Peter R.
but other nations. - Peter Mark Koskenmaki wrote: - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly There are numerous studies

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro
: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly There are numerous studies that demonstrate that towns that lack broadband are economically deficient compared to towns with broadband. Job growth, tax base increase, home value stability, higher per capita income. The economic deficiency drives

RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Brad Belton
the Internet is only for the 'rich', right? grin Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Mark, Many

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Mark, Many if not most RFP's today require a percentage of accounts be discounted heavily or given away for just the reasons you are describing. The term Digital Inclusion

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
- Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Mark, How does YOUR view address the real competition that towns have to attract new

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Brad, Here is a link

RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Brad Belton
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Brad, Here is a link you might want to read up on. http://muniwireless.com/municipal/1556 Regards, Dawn DiPietro Brad Belton wrote: I'll agree with Mark on this. There are many that are exploiting city counsel's across the country to only

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Mark, Many if not most RFP's today require a percentage of accounts

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Marlon, Comments inline. There is some important info missing here. How many are actually running. What do they cost? How much do they generate/save? How many are under construction? How many are still in the planning stages? Calling the planning stage deployments, deployments seems

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Mark, How does YOUR view address the real competition that towns have to attract new

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Mark, I did overstep my bounds a little and do apologize for the last statement in my post. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Dawn DiPietro wrote: Mark, Many

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly I'll agree with Mark on this. There are many that are exploiting city counsel's across the country to only line their own pockets. I have read about one muni-wifi failure after another...point me to a real success story. As a percentage

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Peter R.
Well, there is an a good book about the chicken and egg: The Rise of the Creative Class. Dr. Florida has studied what makes an urban area thrive. It involves what he describes as the Creative Class. Those are the people that drive the city - with events, charity work, spending, yada. These

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Rick Harnish
-Original Message- From: Dawn DiPietro[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1/10/07 1:22:52 PM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Brad, Here is a link you might want to read up on. http

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Marlon, Comments inline. There is some important info missing here. How many

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Marlon, Interesting. Only 7500 b/g ap's in 50 square miles. Anyone care to run the radio mobile map of that? hehehehe At least they should almost all be indoors. But that's still 150 ap's per square mile Yikes. That does NOT count microwave ovens, non wifi devices, phones, cameras etc.

RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Ralph
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 5:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly snip I learned today that I already have a few municipal networks myself! Much like the Earthlink/SanFran network

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
networks, the good, bad and ugly Marlon, Interesting. Only 7500 b/g ap's in 50 square miles. Anyone care to run the radio mobile map of that? hehehehe At least they should almost all be indoors. But that's still 150 ap's per square mile Yikes. That does NOT count microwave ovens, non wifi

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
of the game after all? grin marlon - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Yep- you are correct, sir- I have it from a very reliable

RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Brian Webster
: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Now for the next phase that should happen. EL should come to WISPA and work a deal with wisps nationwide. WE provide access to them on OUR networks. Then EL stops loosing dialup

RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Rick Smith
Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly If WISPA is serious about this someone hit me off list and I'll investigate the internal EL contacts to start any negotiations. Thank You, Brian Webster

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly There are numerous studies that demonstrate that towns that lack broadband are economically deficient compared to towns with broadband. Job growth, tax base increase, home value stability, higher per capita income. So is BB a utility