Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-11 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Brian Webster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and u

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
y 10, 2007 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly There are numerous studies that demonstrate that towns that lack broadband are economically deficient compared to towns with broadband. Job growth, tax base increase, home value stability, higher per capita income.

RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Rick Smith
lf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly If WISPA is serious about this someone hit me off list and I'll investigate the internal EL contacts to start any negotiations. Thank You, Bri

RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Brian Webster
ECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Now for the next phase that should happen. EL should come to WISPA and work a deal with wisps nationwide. WE provide access to them on OUR networks. Then EL stops loo

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
f the game after all? grin marlon - Original Message - From: "Ralph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Yep- you are correct, sir- I h

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Oy! You are right. What I MEANT to say, was that there were 7500 that are NOT on channel 6. My bad. marlon - Original Message - From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISP

RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Ralph
at. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 5:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly I learned today that I already have a few mun

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Marlon, Interesting. Only 7500 b/g ap's in 50 square miles. Anyone care to run the radio mobile map of that? hehehehe At least they should almost all be indoors. But that's still 150 ap's per square mile Yikes. That does NOT count microwave ovens, non wifi devices, phones, cameras etc. et

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
- Original Message - From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Marlon, Comments inline. There is some important info m

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Rick Harnish
-Original Message- From: "Dawn DiPietro"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 1/10/07 1:22:52 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Brad, Here is a link you might want to read up on. http://

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Peter R.
Well, there is an a good book about the chicken and egg: The Rise of the Creative Class. Dr. Florida has studied what makes an urban area thrive. It involves what he describes as the Creative Class. Those are the people that drive the city - with events, charity work, spending, yada. These are

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:21 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly > > Mark, > > Many if not most RFP's today require a percentage of accounts be > dis

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
ot;Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly > Mark, > > I did overstep my bounds a little and do apologize for the last > statement in

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly > Mark, > > How does YOUR view address the real competition that t

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Marlon, Comments inline. There is some important info missing here. How many are actually running. What do they cost? How much do they generate/save? How many are under construction? How many are still in the planning stages? Calling the planning stage deployments, deployments seems les

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly > Mark, > > Many if not most RFP's today require

RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Brad Belton
General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Brad, Here is a link you might want to read up on. http://muniwireless.com/municipal/1556 Regards, Dawn DiPietro Brad Belton wrote: >I'll agree with Mark on this. There are many that are exploiting city >counsel&#x

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
sp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad an

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
- Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Mark, How does YOUR view address the real competition that towns hav

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro
f Dawn DiPietro Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Mark, Many if not most RFP's today require a percentage of accounts be discounted heavily or given away for just the reasons you are describing. Th

RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Brad Belton
er all the Internet is only for the 'rich', right? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro
13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly There are numerous studies that demonstrate that towns that lack broadband are economically deficient compared to towns with broadband. Job growth, tax base increase, home value stability, higher per capita income. The economi

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Peter R.
towns but other nations. - Peter Mark Koskenmaki wrote: - Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly There are nu

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Dawn DiPietro
wrote: - Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly There are numerous studies that demonstrate that towns that lack broad

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly > There are numerous studies that demonstrate that towns that lack

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
ECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Peter R.
There are numerous studies that demonstrate that towns that lack broadband are economically deficient compared to towns with broadband. Job growth, tax base increase, home value stability, higher per capita income. So is BB a utility? Maybe, but definitely an economic necessity today to compe

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-09 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
7;" Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 8:32 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly Marlon, I think they meant it was a short read because you didn't attach a link to the article :P Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Fou

RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-09 Thread Mac Dearman
i networks, the good, bad and ugly Marlon, I think they meant it was a short read because you didn't attach a link to the article :P Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTEC

RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-09 Thread Rick Harnish
Marlon, I think they meant it was a short read because you didn't attach a link to the article :P Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-09 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
t" Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly I can't find a single mistake. It's absolutely perfect. Good Job!! :) Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Here's my latest article. Let the flames begin! hehehehe At the v

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-09 Thread Jack Unger
I can't find a single mistake. It's absolutely perfect. Good Job!! :) Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Here's my latest article. Let the flames begin! hehehehe At the very least this should spark some great thought! marlon -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving t

Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-09 Thread Carl A jeptha
great, that was a short read. O:-) You have a good day now,en mag jou more's ook so wees. Carl A Jeptha http://www.jeptha.com 905-349-2027 skype cajeptha Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Here's my latest article. Let the flames begin! hehehehe At the very least this should spark som