Remember, you could still have the costs of defending
that position in a court.
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From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List"
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: 911 compl
My personal opinion is that if the customer signs a waiver that they
understand you are not providing 911 support and that if they dial 911
they get a message that says that 911 is not available from this device
then you should be covered. I KNOW that this is contrary to the law,
I'm just stat
Actually, this is a real good question. Who would be liable when the
customer picks up the phone and dials 911 and nothing happens?
Sam Tetherow wrote:
One interesting question would be what happens if the POTS line is
down, but Matt's wonderful wireless network is up? ;) The customer
would
You may be able to hold them to it later but you are still ultimately
responsible.
If a CPA screws up your taxes, you are still liable for that filing.
You may have a case against them that you may or may not win in court.
But you will still have to pay back taxes, and interest at best when
One interesting question would be what happens if the POTS line is down,
but Matt's wonderful wireless network is up? ;) The customer would have
voice service but no 911... Sorry, I just couldn't resist.
Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless
Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
Lets take a step back
Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
Lets take a step back...
I never wrote anything about offering VOIP or 911 or E911 - I merely
mentioned selling an Asterisk based phone system that is capable of
redirecting long distance calls over VOIP. The customer that I
mentioned is not getting their long dis
Lets take a step back...
I never wrote anything about offering VOIP or 911 or E911 - I merely
mentioned selling an Asterisk based phone system that is capable of
redirecting long distance calls over VOIP. The customer that I
mentioned is not getting their long distance through my VOIP system,
Friday, June 23, 2006 4:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering
-Skype,Yahoo, MS)
Tom,
I have to go with Matt on this.
I am on a lot of lists, so they get confused, but I have seen way too
many people ask for advice on listservs that shou
Matt,
Do you really believe that? I know the comments you made in regard to 911
compliance I countered with facts I can backup. Therefore, your ideas on
911 compliance were either just made up or worse, your lawyer agreed with
you on them.
You are making a gross misunderstanding.
I did no
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From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service
offering -Skype,Yahoo, MS)
On Jun 24, 2006, at 10:15 PM, Butch Evans wrote:
If you look at what Matt Larsen posted, you will see that (as I
have stated twice and he stated originally) that his PBX SUPPORTS
E911. You are either forgetting that or ignoring it. Here is his
post again:
http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, Matt Liotta wrote:
Your agree with Larsen for what reason?
Did you know that currently five states require PBXs of all
varieties to support E911? In fact, only three states specifically
state that PBX vendors
If you look at what Matt Larsen posted, you will see that (as
beyond making a mistake! - :-)
Mac Dearman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service
offering
-Skype,Yahoo
On Jun 23, 2006, at 4:28 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
Many on this list like to just make things up as opposed to
getting an actual legal opinion from a practicing attorney that
specializes in this field.
I'm not aware of that going on much at all on this list, its just
not true.
Do you rea
n life - period.
Keep in mind they are NOT beyond making a mistake! - :-)
Mac Dearman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] Vo
Tom,
I have to go with Matt on this.
I am on a lot of lists, so they get confused, but I have seen way too
many people ask for advice on listservs that should have gone to either
a CPA, state revenue department, or an attorney.
You have no real idea who is replying. He could be giving you adv
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IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service
offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)
On Jun 23, 2006, at 12:20 AM, Butch Evans wrote:
The example Matt listed was a business that purchased a phone
system. This phone system happens to be an Asterisk system that
has a POTS line terminated in it. Some traffic is routed via VoIP
offerings available on the net, while other tra
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Matt Liotta wrote:
That is incorrect. A POTS line will only be able to provide ANI/ALI
information as configured by the LEC providing the POTS line, which
will not match the subscriber's call that you are routing through
it.
However, according to what Matt Larsen describ
n US). Is $60/mo unmetered local & long
> distance not available?
>
> Rich
>
> - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP as
available?
Rich
- Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Businesses don&
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From: "Rich Comroe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS
It was my impr
911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service
offering -Skype,Yahoo, MS)
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Why can't I write a script in Linux/Asterix that says, if Source phone
number equals my client, and destiantion phone number equalls 911, move
this call to POTS Line A, a POTS line with an ar
Wow... my Qwest bill with Caller-ID, Caller Blocking, etc. is $38 per
month total (including all taxes, surcharges, etc.).
Travis
Microserv
Peter R. wrote:
VZ Local/LD single Resi POTS line in Tampa, FL is $78 total bill.
My CallVantage line is $41.
Rich Comroe wrote:
It was my impression t
VZ Local/LD single Resi POTS line in Tampa, FL is $78 total bill.
My CallVantage line is $41.
Rich Comroe wrote:
It was my impression that most of the US has unmetered local & US long
distance available for $60 ... something / month. I do. To save $100
to $2000 per month on long distance wit
on typical long distance? (and I'd argue
typical long distance is within US). Is $60/mo unmetered local & long
distance not available?
Rich
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From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Tuesday, Ju
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Why can't I write a script in Linux/Asterix that says, if Source phone
number equals my client, and destiantion phone number equalls 911,
move this call to POTS Line A, a POTS line with an area code/phone
xxx-xxx appropriaite for the region where that customer resides.
Sto
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service
offering -Skype, Yahoo, MS)
Tom DeReggi wrote:
However, I believe it is allowed, that if at the provider's switch, they
intercept 911 calls, and redirect to a pots line connected
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From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS
I would almost buy this statement if it we
I would almost buy this statement if it weren't for the fact that cell
phone call quality is horrible.
Add bluetooth headsets to the equation and windshear and I can't hear a
blessed word some people are saying.
And this has not stopped people from using cell phones.
Consumers switch to VoIP fo
-2181
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS
The clear trend where we're at is cell phone and/or voip.
Mostly, it's cell phone and no land line. What for? I've got my phone, she
has hers, the
The problem that people make is they try to measure (put a rating on) the
call quality of a call, which is wrong.
The correct way to measure VOIP quality is to measure the percentage of
calls that can accomplish a defined level of quality.
The quality varies based on where it is made to. And prov
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From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS
You may have the very best VoIP system wi
Horsecrap. All I am selling is the phone system.
Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Matt Liotta wrote:
Anyone who thinks that providing a POTS line along with VoIP service
for 911 compliance either has read the order and/or has checked with
council. If you provide any VoIP service your VOIP must
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Businesses don't care about voip here because long distance rates are
so cheap that some of them would actually increase their costs by
moving to voip.
They are? Our customers are saving anywhere from $100 to $2,000 per
month on long distance with our
Tom DeReggi wrote:
However, I believe it is allowed, that if at the provider's switch,
they intercept 911 calls, and redirect to a pots line connected to the
providers switch, it complies.
That is incorrect. What gives you that impression?
So if you ahve a local regional switch and terminate
ess
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From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS
A lot can change in a year especially
om: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:55 AM
Subject: 911 compliance (was Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -
Skype,Yahoo, MS)
Anyone who thinks that providing a POTS line along with VoIP service for
911 compl
A lot can change in a year especially with a mass-market disruptive
technology like VoIP. In just the last 3 months of 2005 900,000 new VoIP
subs were added. Earlier this year the total household VoIP market was
thought to be 4.5 million subs, but is expected to be 7.9 million by
years end. Mos
Hi,
I will have to find the article I read about a year ago regarding VoIP
and POTS and cellular. It shows that even with the number of people that
are switching, it is still VERY small when compared with the number that
still have POTS and will continue to keep their land lines.
In our area
There are major LECs using VoIP internally while providing analog
service to their customers. Therefore, it is quite possible you have had
conversations over a VoIP network using your POTS lines without even
knowing it. Further, the percentage likelihood that you will have such a
phone call in
You may have the very best VoIP system with the least latency, highest
call quality, etc but it still is not the same as a POTS line.
The real test is when you call someone from a VoIP line to a cell
phone... that's when you get echo, delay and noise to the point that you
end up talking ov
On Jun 19, 2006, at 7:27 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
I don't believe there is any real money in it either... cell phones
will be the choice 5-10 years from now. VoIP is the bridge to get
there. Of course, I'm talking residential users... business users
are a little different... although we w
Anyone who thinks that providing a POTS line along with VoIP service
for 911 compliance either has read the order and/or has checked with
council. If you provide any VoIP service your VOIP must be 911
compliant as per the order. Any other services you may or others may
provide to the custom
iginal Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS
> I still believe that there's no money in voip for
t constantly blaim your wireless network
for the cause of their low VOIP quality, and cause bad will.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
y, June 19, 2006 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS
Marlon,
He did say he was selling to SMB, not Resi.
Very few small businesses are going to use Yahoo, AIM, or MS as a
dial-tone replacement. Skype is free within the US now, so some will try
that, but ther
One way to cherry pick on VOIP is to specialize in the phone systems and
make sure that they keep at least one POTS line. Then, even with a dead
internet connection, they will still have (albeit limited) capabilitity
to get out and receive phone calls, and also to handle 911.
I recently sold
Marlon,
He did say he was selling to SMB, not Resi.
Very few small businesses are going to use Yahoo, AIM, or MS as a
dial-tone replacement. Skype is free within the US now, so some will try
that, but there are security concerns (growing daily) about VoIP,
especially with the mandatory CALEA c
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