Secondary
Tertiary
Tertiary
Tertiary
Tertiary
Would love to hear peoples opinions as to whether either method is preferable
from a usability perspective, or poses any accessibility/wcag issues.
les are ignored.
The following markup options offer a solution to the problem:
1.
2.
I guess the question I have is whether there are any caveats with either
method, and if there is a best practice solution?
The doc type is XHTML 1.0 Transitional if this is relevant.
Kind rega
ow is
blocked from upgrades, I'd say use it anyway.
People regularly use things that don't work in IE - it doesn't stop
being Progressive Enhancement just because Firefox was the weakest
link in this case :)
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On Mac I've just tried using https://github.com/xdissent/ievms and
other than being a very very long download it worked without incident.
I'd suggest installing one version at a time when you won't b
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Hi all again,
I've posted the same issue here
http://stackoverflow.com/q/5579140/165748 but I didn't find any
helpful suggestion, should I provide more informations or reformulate
my post.
Let me know please if I missed any details and I'm very thinkful.
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files of compatible key extensions (eg. firebug and the web dev toolbar).
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I prefer liquid layouts, but I use a max-width property to control how wide
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> I think it's more to do with the fact that librarians are always getting
hand-me-down hardware :)
Pretty likely. I'd say it's probably also an effect of the corporate-owned
hardware syndrome - as in, they may not have admin rights on their
workstations to change the browser. Students on the othe
es/no; and some people do have some issues with the
implied off state of checkboxes. Compare it with a paper form where you have
two boxes and you tick or cross an option - there's no preselection. I guess
it depends which paradigm is more likely to fit the scenario.
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the right (in left-to-right languages), since a) that just seems the most
common thing, and b) if you were to add a couple of divs to create rows, the
buttons would line up neatly above each other.
Which gives us...
Do you...?
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Hope that helps...
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they can detect the contents of images.
Regardless, if you need something that works absolutely on the final
rendered result, try
http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/contrast-analyser.html which gives
you an on-screen selector.
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This way everything's clickable, valid and semantically logical.
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One alternative is perhaps to replace all block elements inside the
element into inline ones...
Or the other would be to use javascript, and bind an onclick event onto the
div.
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> If you are worried about validation an anchor tag cannot have
I think you can lose the margin at the top of the page and make the page
go hard up to the top of the browser window - the idea could work better if
the background were white (not that pale green). And yes, validate - marked
up like a dog - woof!
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> The only valid way to change the numbering of lists in strict XHTML is to
> put a value="" on each LI.
>
The value attribute for li elements doesn't appear in Strict.
>
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/index/attributes.htm
take! Thankfully
it has been reversed in HTML5 (
http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/semantics.html#the-ol-element) so eventually the
better solution will both work AND validate. I've never been able to
understand why people thought the numbers weren't a critical part of the
document, as opposed to d
in using - it's not a quote by any stretch of
the imagination. If you can make it work with a tag stick to that, I
think. If you need "text" just use a neutral tag and a space, eg. which is at least better than actual
text.
Better to avoid it entirely though, using one of the
rather than including extraneous text.
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k to .content (and add another
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[h1]
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My question is, is it bad to have a skip link right after you've skipped
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(hope
#x27;s a specificity issue.
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like it's a phishing scam?"
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Only if they are PNGs with alpha transparencies - these are not
supported in IE6 amongst others (although there are hacks). If it's
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In addition to what Rob wrote, check out the following resources.
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http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/ch04.html
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You need to branch the codebase. A
ke multiple
classes more broadly useful - including being useful on small sites - as
there's the potential to do more style work with less elements.
So basically... don't be hating multiple classes, they have their place ;)
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and I quote:
"Many people mistakenly believe that a div element has no semantic meaning.
However div actually stands for *division *and provides a way of dividing a
document into meaningful areas. So by wrapping your main c
t;
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Obviously it is a clash of HTML standards VS accessibility. I've chosen
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Hi all,
I'm not a fan of having too many DIVs on a page, but due to complicated
background designs, I'm forced to use additional wrapper DIVs just to
achieve the look. Are there any major downfall in doing so apart from
increasing page size? I'd like to be able to convince our designer to
simplify
> Recently, I experimented with changing check boxes with JavaScript. If the
> user clicked on the words next to the check box, then the box would be
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As someone has mentioned, that's precisely what putting the te
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>> 2) I have a column that is 160px wide, but the text in legend is a bit
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7;t want to add a ,
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> I agree - that's why I questioned it. With my internal clients a little
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er like they're going to build a table-based site
or some other thing that's not accessible, then create a whole second
version instead of doing the first one the right way. Alternatively they may
just be setting up an easy way for users to disable styles. But you should
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Normally I'd use spans for all 3 elements, but I'm quite interested to find
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s in WCAG 1 need
clarification or are no longer correct in their original form).
-Ben
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>My question to you guys is how do you develop & test your websites to
ensure they
> are interpreted correctly by older more popular browsers ? Do you have
older
> browsers handy to test them with?
Personally I wouldn't support IE5 for a full design, it's just too old - for
many reasons they shoul
27;t evil, but *only
offering Flash* is evil.
-ben
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