Re: [WSG] Should logo not link to the homepage?

> I would like to ask your opinion here, if a web site logo should or not > link to the homepage. Anecdotally, I've seen a lot of users who do click the logo - especially if it's placed at the top left of the page. It's not a standard, but it's a common design element which many users pick up very

Re: [WSG] Confusing the users...

> Or do we just dumb everything down until we have some small subset that > everyone understands? I've often found the Nielsen goes too far - beyond "make it more usable", through to "make it more stupid" or even "cater to such a low common denominator that average users actually start to get fru

Re: [WSG] A legitimate case for pop-ups

> I never thought the day would come when there actually was a legitimate > use for pop-ups! > It's legitimate to use pop-ups, if a court judge orders you to :) http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,18214048%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html I suspect the judge is confused about "pop ups" vers

Re: [WSG] Address Element

Hi there, > Dear WSG members, I'm a bit confused about the correct use for > address-element. > W3C documentation states that it should be used "to supply contact > information for a document or a major part of a document such as a form.". > Now as I'm working on phone (and address) directories, I

Re: [WSG] Opera Labs and Opera 9 Preview 2

> > Maybe the standards community prefer to ride ponies instead of real > > race-horses? ;-) > Must be something to do with keeping nearer the earth. Opera spoils > web developers, and makes Internet Explorer (and Firefox, to a lesser > extent) that much more shocking ;-) hehehehh ahhh dear, we're

Re: [WSG] Opera Labs and Opera 9 Preview 2

> I just noticed Opera have opened the Opera Labs page and they now have > Opera 9 Preview 2 available for testing. The site has minimal content > at the moment (after all it just opened) but there is a short speil on > Opera supported web standards and the direction they are heading in: > http://l

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

> The problem is that many small/micro businesses don't see it > (y)our way. They only see the shiny coat of paint, not the rust > underneath it, or the engine under the bonnet. Bombarding them > with technical jargon isn't going to help. They just see a web > page in their browser. It either lo

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

> So here is the question: > What are the benefits of web standards for small business that can be > sufficiently > measured in results for the business both in the long and short term? I've been thinking a bit about this one... Actually, I think some of the benefits touted for large-scale sites

Re: [WSG] Web Standards Shetland Ponies

> I wanted to understand why this happened. Is standards only really > something a small contingent of geeky developers go for? I think it's fair to say that standards developers are still the minority, but that doesn't make them wrong. "What's right is not always popular, what's popular is not al

Re: [WSG] IE7 Now what?

> You should seriously consider how you are doing your CSS right now and how > you should begin planning for the not so distant future of IE6 being the > minority browser. Microsoft wants to ditch IE6. IE7 will be part of a > service pack upgrade to xp and as part of the fabled vista platform. Ju

Re: Moral High-horse - was Re: [WSG] Failed Redesign and the Media

> It is easy to get on a moral high-horse just because we know about standards It is an occupational hazard and one standardistas have to be careful about. I happen to believe we do hold the moral highground; but that's a bit different to jumping on the high horse about it. ...did that makes sens

Re: [WSG] Web Standards Shetland Ponies

Hi there, > I've been on this list since returning from WE05 in Sydney last October, > hoping that the same feeling of sharing and openness would prevail. It does > to a certain extent, but the few glaring exceptions have tended to put me > off posting to the list. I doubt an email list could eve

Re: [WSG] Failed Redesign and the Media

> My question is: is web-standards really considered a part of the > professionalism of web people considering that even the IT media > (AustralianIT) ignores this aspect? Well, yes. The IT Media really haven't caught on to standards. That doesn't mean web professionals haven't, or shouldn't. I'd

Re: [WSG] mailto: and email-subjects

> Always use example.com, example.org or example.net in examples in the Heh I never knew about those! You learn something every day :) thanks! h -- --- --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson *

Re: [WSG] small screen rendering

> I have just discovered the 'small screen rendering' tool in Firefox (web > developer toolbar). Am I right in thinking this is an attempt to show > what a site looks like on a mobile device or similar? Is it a good > guide? etc. That's the theory, but with the vagaries of handheld/small screen

Re: [WSG] Form editor that doesn't use tables for layout

Hi, > I've recently put online a free visual form editor that allows the creation > of html forms without using tables for layout and I'd appreciate any > suggestions for the editor and the html/css code it generates. Once I had added a couple of items it wasn't clear to click to the next tab to

Re: [WSG] Source Attribution for data tables

Hi, > Should the caption be changed to include the attribution? > Table 1 - Summary of Key Indicators (source: Foo Corp 2005) I'd go with this solution. It's a logical place for attribution and it doesn't really go anywhere else without losing specific association with the table contents. h --

Re: [WSG] Frames ?

> I have a client who wants to set up his business site in such a way that his > logo and "business presence" is always maintained when the client visits a > link to one of the manufacturers that my client represents. ... > Now, I am not a proponent of frames, but this sounds like frames to me. Is

Re: [WSG] Abbreviations and Acronyms

> [snip] ACRONYM and ABBR I take a fairly simplistic view on this one: 1) Future standards only include ABBR. 2) Acronyms are a form of abbreviation. 3) For the sake of good writing, you should spell out the full term on first use anyway. That covers bad browsers, too. so, I just use ABBR fo

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

> > I would pose the counter question: agreeing that it could have been > > done easily enough in CSS, why use a table? No arguments for the table? :) > Fair enough. Of course, my opinion differs in that I believe that > there is no "standard" mandating that a table not be used for layout. Perso

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

> As for a standards-based > page, agreeing that it is not a hard and fast rule that tables be > banned for layout, can you present some logical arguments against this > page - keeping strictly within the context of standards: > http://www.projectseven.com/csslab/zealotry/linear_basics.htm I would

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

> I guess your assertion hinges on how one interprets the word "should". > Perhaps I am English-challenged, but I always took "should" to have a > suggestive or advisory connotation, while "shall" or "must" are > obligatory :-) One quick comment on this... I always write "must" in draft policy doc

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

> A desperate attempt to simplify: > CSS Driven: No presentational markup, no semantic markup used > improperly for presentational purposes. CSS handles all presentation. > Not CSS Driven: Lots of presentational markup, but CSS for font sizes > and colors. For this thread I'd add "Either one can

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

> OK, OK, I'll try to figure out what email address to use later today :) Interesting timing rumour is that http://www.google.com/ig is going to become their new "My Google" style portal page. The markup still stinks. h -- --- --- The future has arrived; it's j

Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards

> > What, when I can whinge on a mailing list? > > No, no - I'm leading open and earnest discussion, honest I am ;) > > OK, OK, I'll try to figure out what email address to use later today :) Yeah, good luck finding usable contact details on their site ;) As far as I can tell, Google doesn't writ

Re: [WSG] Oracle/Peoplesoft and accessibility/standard code

Hi there, > - Does anyone know of an accessible PeopleSoft built application? I haven't heard of one which is what I would call accessible :) > - Has the issue of PeopleSoft generated code been an issue or is the > responsibility that of the company using it? The PS code is all tables and bad m

Re: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

> the first, for example: > > > text info in here > > > What do people suggest? I'd vote for: text info in here I think the specs should not have deprecated the attribute - breaking up huge lists into separate pages is entirely legit, which means the numbering is an important part of the

Re: [WSG] advices for using headings more correctly

Hi there, One reason there is so much debate is the HTML 4.01 spec actually whimps out of making a call ;) In other words, it doesn't actually say if skipping a level is wrong; it just says "some people" think it's wrong. What the spec DOES say is that the headings are ordered from 1 to 6 in orde

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

> > That and clean XHTML is easier to hand-code than tables... > Without wanting to open a can of worms here; how so? Do you mean in > conjunction with CSS, or just that XHTML markup is cleaner than that of > HTML? Just that XHTML markup is faster to type by hand than nested tables and font tags.

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

> i dont know if i will be able to sell them on > it. I was going to try the angle that web standards are helpful/essential > for accessability-which they get alot of requests for these days. The > programmers dont want me to do any coding or as little as possible-so as not > to step on thier toes.

Re: [WSG] to border or not to border, that is the question

Hi, > However, today I disabled styles on a fairly complicated table and realized > it made very little sense without any demarcation between the cells. > It would be simple enough to do http://www.200ok.com.au/> --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson **

Re: [WSG] Emulating text browser

> Does anyone actually use lynx anymore though Actually I know someone who uses it on a daily basis, due to an extremely limited network/bandwidth quota at his workplace. He can't install a second browser (locked down desktop), and he has to keep IE set up for sites that don't work without graphi

Re: [WSG] Emulating text browser

Hi there, > One of the Technical Guidelines is to use a text browser such as Lynx to ... > But recently I found that the Opera browser has an option to view your > web in the way a text browser should do ( View/Style/User/Emulate Text > Browser). Do anyone knows if the Lynx's browser is something

Re: [WSG] WE05 - who's going?

Me too^H^H^HWhy yes, I'll be there :) > Will be doing a little 'live-bloggin' on http://notinteractive.com/ > and more professional coverage on http://leftjustified.net/ Man, is this conference going to be buzzword compliant or what. WE05! Comin' atcha! We got podcasts! We got liveblogs! We got

Re: [WSG] Extending xhtml strict to include frameset and target

> Well Martin, I got to the conclusion that there is no standard way to get > rid of the space bitween the two frames in a standard way: Yes, you're correct. You can build accessible, functional framesets but you can't make them validate as XHTML. Just go with code that actually works in this case

Re: [WSG] Opera 8.5 released, now no registration fee ad-free permanently

> Yes, Opera has gone insane with happiness and have released their > browser free, without an ad bar permanently. I guess it was inevitable. Yeah, to really get competitive they needed to go free. People might use their browser pretty much constantly, but it doesn't occur to them that perhaps th

Re: [WSG] Click here--reference

> linked. Does anyone know a rule I can point to (and send my client to > read) re accessibility and "click here"? Dey Alexander has a neat and concise paper on the issue - http://www.deyalexander.com/papers/clickhere.html Covers usability and readability as well as accessibility. cheers, h --

Re: [WSG] wishing not for picky browsers (was) Barclays standards redesign

> At 03:44 PM 9/7/2005, Christian Montoya wrote: > >I was actually thinking the other day, browsers should be more like > >compilers... they should refuse to parse incorrect code. Then the > >enforcement would be on the output end, too. > Why on earth would I want to use a browser that refused to s

Re: [WSG]

I'm wondering about the use of the label tag in certain cases where thelabel relates to multiple fields. Is there a recommended practice here? Should each select box have itsown label? Yes, each one should have its own label; with the set grouped in a fieldset (with appropriate legend tag). Also, s

Re: [WSG] web accessibility toolbar

> It alleviates the problem, but realistically I still think designers are> better off using relative units Just as a matter of clarification: pixels *are* a relative unithttp://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/syndata.html#length-units However, they're relative to the screen resolution, rather than beingre

Re: [WSG] web accessibility toolbar

Hi there, I ask the question partly tongue-in-cheek, but it does make me wonder iftools such as this should be the butt of responsibility? No, I'd say tools like this are workarounds for the failings of the native browser. You certainly can't start using pixels for sizing just because a user *cou

Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners

Hi, http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/ http://validator.w3.org/ I'm all for teaching students how to look up the answer, but in this case I also recommend they read http://www.alistapart.com/articles/readspec/ first so they have a better chance of understanding the answers :) I've never found a "standards

Re: [WSG] Need recomendations for CMS system

> I am looking for a CMS system that will produce code/mark-up that > follows web standards. A lot of systems spits out tables and weird > tags that doesn't validate. I'm mostly interested in freeware, but if > I need to buy one to get such a system then that's fine too. I have > been searching the

Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

Hi, > We've had a discussion at work about pdf documents and hijacking the user's > browser / making it more user-friendly. What is the general feeling towards > having pdf and other non-html documents open in a new window? I view PDF, .MS Office documents etc as *non web content*. That is, the

Re: [WSG] Reason for leaving

> Are the disabed really the main priority when it comes to web > standards? Not exactly, they're just one of many groups that benefit. They happen to benefit quite a lot, of course.. :) Standards benefit pretty much everyone, whether they realise it or not. Standards compliant sites are general

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

> What sizes are you designing for? For the sites I work on, the majority of the audience has 1024x768 *or better*, but a significant amount (10-25% depending on the site) still have 800x600. So we design "for" 1024x768, but designs have to remain usable/functional at 800x600 without horizontal sc

Re: [WSG] Opening external links in popup windows with no extra markup

> In a controlled input situation (eg: a web developer's blog), a > solution like Patrick Lauke's 'type' link styling expermient ( > http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/38/ ) adds more useful info to > the markup and can be used the same way; but when a client is in > control of the content you

Re: [WSG] HR - Presentation or Structure?

Hi, > Incidentally, I'm surprised that more people here haven't jumped in on > the discussion. Are all other web standards folks on here really in > agreement that (X)HTML is a visual language by design, or at least has a > strong bias towards the visual? I would have thought not, but there you >

Re: [WSG] base css

Hi, > Hi Heretic, please explain this. How does setting a % for text-size in body > prevent the appearance of smaller than 1em font sizes? Is 100% a good > starting point for body? Enquiring minds want to know. Basically the idea is this: don't use settings smaller than 1em, for

Re: [WSG] base css

Hi there, > what are you guys using as a base css file to start a site with common hacks > and what not? These days I invariably kick off with the global whitespace reset (hi Andrew!) http://leftjustified.net/journal/2004/10/19/global-ws-reset/ ...and some controlled whitespace settings. If I kn

Re: [WSG] base css

> > Couldn't help myself ;) Patience is a virtue, young padawan ;) h -- --- --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.o

Re: [WSG] looking for an accessibility reference on why text-only is bad

> > I'm not sure that I've seen much online on the topic, though. So I > > guess this didn't really help, sorry :( > http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/wai-pageauth.html#tech-alt-pages Heh, I don't really count WC3 recommendations as "online articles" :) h -- --- --- The fut

Re: [WSG] looking for an accessibility reference on why text-only is bad

> We're doing a tender for a client that has requested a text-only > version of the site, for accessibility reasons. Now, *I* know that > that's ridiculous and text-only is not an acceptable alternative to an > accessible site, but I need some good verbage/references to explain > that (and what we

Re: [WSG] accesability and backwards compatibility - WAS [Hi there!]

> requirement; I have said that if they want an accessible site written in CSS > they can't have it looking exactly the same in older browsers that don't > support CSS 2.0 unless I use 'old skool' presentation techniques. Has anyone > else run into this problem? I suspect there are plenty of people

Re: [WSG] Followup to Tuesday's Brisbane Meeting

> "Sticks, carrots & staying sane: An approach to standards advocacy in > large organisations" and very interesting it was. You are too kind ;) > The presentation is online at > http://weblog.200ok.com.au/2005/06/sticks-carrots-staying-sane.html > and the video appears to have been successful, so

Re: [WSG] the use of reset buttons on forms

> Seriously: how many people enter data into a form and go so completely > wrong that they want to erase everything they have just done and start > over new? Some users may want to do that; alternatively some users will change their minds about submitting at all and do not trust simply closing the

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

> Wondering how we can get CSS to specifity the spearator used in ordered > lists (ie: the thing between the list item number and the value of the list > item). For example... As someone has already mentioned, http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/generate.html#counters will eventually be the way to do t

Re: [WSG] Making PDF and Word files accessible

Hi there, > My first question is that if I convert the PDF files to HTML to make > them more accessible, am I right in thinking that this is only half my > job done? If the original file wasn't marked up correctly in the first > place before being saved as PDF (with headings, etc) does this mean >

Re: [WSG] Definition lists for comments in blogs

> At x:xxpm so-and-so said: > blah blah blah Accurate I suppose although I'm a bit undecided about numbering inserted as content. Similarly been thinking about markup for search engine results. > > At x:xxpm so-and-so said: > blah blah blah > > Thinking this through and mark up section

Re: [WSG] A way to skip a Flash-intro if Flash is not installed?

> I thought that if Flash wasn't installed, the browser would prompt you > to download and install it rather than just displaying the alternate > content? Not necessarily - plus many browsers now give the option to *disable* the plugin which may result in different behaviour. For example I use Op

Re: [WSG] frames

hi, > Can anyone tell me if/when it is 'OK' to use frames? Since the W3C spec > still includes them, I wondered (if) when it was considered legit to employ > them - on a par with tables, which are avoided at all costs, except when > displaying 'tabular data'. So I assume the W3C have included fr

Re: [WSG] realistic placement of 'high contrast' & 'text too small?' links?

Hi Jamie, > Aside from this though, the links are in the same size as the body text, > wouldn't a high contrast link need to be massive and bold? There's no WAY > anyone can do that on a high profile site, surely? > What to do? Any help and ideas would be great, thanks in advance, I'd suggest g

Re: [WSG] Headings within Navigation

> Does anyone know whether it's correct to use headings in your navigation? I'd say it's not correct; although I'd counterpoint by saying that nested lists imply the sort of structure I think you're trying to define. That is... the nested lists are "one level down" from the containing LI. So ad

Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

> So, the point is, to say that 'Flash is awful because it's not accessible' > and all that stuff is to completely miss the point - it isn't for folk with > disabilities - the html option is. > Surely? I'd say Flash is mostly a problem because it frequently breaks all usability and accessibility g

Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

> I would argue that in a heartbeat - when you're talking about an > architectural or otherwise design showcase site - what designer is going to > give half a though to blind or visually impaired users? Quite honestly, in > a situation like this site... who cares about them? - it's not for people

Re: [WSG] Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS

> http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/biggest-web-design-mistakes-in-2004.html > What do you think? Well... the piece would would have made sense if his point was "you still need to do this, but you need to filter the way you tell the client". Instead, the implication here is that we should stop bothe

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

> Oh Damn, I guess I will have to make it visible again. I have only tested > it on FF, IE6 and IE5. FYI, on the first tab Opera 8 beta 3 jumps to the "name" input at the bottom. h -- --- --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gib

Re: [WSG] skip flash intro question

hi there, > I'm wondering if a site would be more accessible if the flash intro (never > mind how it's a bad idea to have a flash intro!) skipped automatically if > the viewer had seen the intro before. I'm also wondering if I could detect > browser for the sight impaired and skip the intro then

Re: [WSG] web design presentation: advice?

heya, > I'm going to make a presentation to art students on an introduction to > web design and would like some advice (besides how to deal with the > butterfiles in the stomach). A few points 1) Many artsts claim that the limitations of web design restricts creativity. Realistically,

[WSG] Re: Valid Code, but Poor Accessibility

Hi there, > I would be very grateful if someone could direct me to an existing > resource or article addressing the subject of how a validly-coded web > site can fail to be truly accessible. i.e. why valid code is not, in > itself, enough to guarantee accessibility. I've encountered this problem

[WSG] Re: Hidden Content[This Was Not My Idea]

> Sometimes I think this web design game is more like a (neurotic) jigsaw > puzzle than an intelligent occupation :-) *laughs* ... only sometimes? ;) h -- --- --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ***

[WSG] Re: Hidden Content

> Flash actually is searchable. Hmm. Does it have to be a specific version of flash, built a specific way? Just thinking of claims that "flash is accessible", which actually means "flash mx can be accessible if the developer really knows what they are doing; and the user knows how to use it, has

[WSG] Re: you've been framed!

> Let me get it off my chest - I use frames sometimes! You're not alone, although admittedly I didn't get to make the decision :) > However, what I want to know is, which browsers don't support frames? As far as I know all of the common browsers support frames, but you're forgetting that it's

Re: [WSG] SEO, Semantics, and Web Standards

hi, > I recently paid a visit to a certain SEO forum and had a look at the > forums there. > Whilst reading the threads, I couldn't help but be shocked and appalled > at the FUD being spread there. Most SEO seems to be either complete FUD or ideas with very questionable sources/backup info. Separ

Re: [WSG] accessible ways to avoid spam

> I'm wondering if any of you have any tips on creative ways to keep > spambots from harvesting email addresses on you page, and still keep > then accessable to diabled people and text-browsers. Here's my thoughts If you only need to protect a small number of email addresses, there's another appr

Re: [WSG] accessibilty and responsibility

Hi all, Jumping in on all these architectural analogies... nobody seems to have made this point: ultimately EVERYONE has some level of responsibility, since everyone is and will remain involed. Let's continue the analogy, for a new building: 1) The government sets out physical access requirement

Re: [WSG] Peoplesoft and standards

Hi there, > I am not too sure where else to ask about this. I have recently been part of > discussions about the Peoplesoft application that we and many Universities > use (not my fault) and its adherence to accessibility recommendations, and > web standards. Peoplesoft claims to adhere to section

Re: [WSG] Browser Checks

> This is more of a general standards question, but if you are designing a > page for the public in general (in my case a university) at what point ( > % wise _or_ # of browsers) do you say 'Okay this is the site, no more > trying to accommodate obscure browsers/older versions of browsers." ? I > k

Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to

Hi there, > First result > Second... > ... > My two cents: use this method. It's one of those times that the standards are too strict without providing a robust alternative (more the fault of browsers than standards, though). I would support the idea of using Transitional on those pages, taking

Re: [WSG] standards and meta tags

[meta-data] > Good Lord! You could spend your whole life devoted to this area! :-) you could, very easily. in fact, if you have major questions about meta-data i recommend asking a librarian :) when you get into serious meta-data and controlled vocabularies, you discover an entire industry. h

Re: [WSG] Has news.com.au redesigned to Standards?

> I had a pleasant surprise this morning when I saw this redesign. Good to > see another big site making the effort. Mmm, I had a pleasant surprise; followed by disappointment; followed by a rude shock; followed by sustained aggravation. Pleasant surprise: hey, looks nice. Disappointment: not a

Re: [WSG] Site Tracking and Validation

Hi, > SO, question... is there a tracker that I can use that will still allow my > page to validate? On some sites where I have no server log access, I use Nedstats (http://www.nedstatbasic.net/service/) with my own rewritten version of their code. Validates ok and gives reasonable info. It does

Re: [WSG] Slightly OT... Interview with IE Dev team

> How does microsoft benefit by offering IE at all? It's free. Updates > are free. It costs them bandwidth for downloads and updates. It costs > them staff time to code, fix, patch, etc. and they don't get a dime off it. Rhetorical I guess but it's a good point. MS benefits from ubiquity. MS

Re: [WSG] ATO - shame shame shame...

I just fired that page up in NN7, but rejected their applet/certificate. I got this priceless error message: "You have chosen not to trust the ATO. Please close all browser windows and start again." You know, I never did trust the ATO ;) > Can I sue the ATO over this - like the SOCOG case. > I c

Re: [WSG] Intro and first question

hi, > I haven't spent a lot of time worrying about the disabled or impaired > users of my projects because of the youth-focussed intent of them. Just a thought on demographics: there are plenty of young people with relevant disabilities. Plus there are people with technological disadvantages or a

Re: [WSG] Slightly OT... Interview with IE Dev team

> I was wondering if any of you have any specific questions, queries, or > comments regarding the development of IE, and more specifically, IE7 > which may, or may not, come with Longhorn (before... if we're lucky) Hmmm, where to start :) The questions I'd put to them in no particular order..

Re: [WSG] being framed!

> > I'm having a bit of trouble using frames without a border and getting the > > frameset to validate. > This may be of interest > http://www.stopdesign.com/log/2003/03/04/swf_seeking_vwm.html Hard as it is to accept, borderless framesets just won't validate. The best thing to do is go for someth

Re: [WSG] Is sending abusive spam doing standards good or harm?

> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~night.owl/morons.html > Effective design principles would dictate that the whole point of the page > is to get the information to the target audience, but really does it? Its > offensively written, rude, long and even a bit angry I've seen this page before and

Re: [WSG] rationalising my refusal to support IE/NS4

Hi Nick, We successfully moved NN4 off our primary support list a couple of years ago, despite the lingering in-house installs due to NN4 once upon a time being the standard browser. My thoughts on your situation > I have a requirements document here that I'm quoting for, that > mentions tha

Re: [WSG] Standards & Macromedia Contribute

> You can edit pages which contain SSI's, just not any of the content IN > the SSI's. This is the perfect way to lock parts of the design you > don't want the client to touch. No need for DW Templates at all! :) Slightly OT, but anyway: Is there a way to get DW to display the contents of SSIs on a

Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver : was [ Standards & Macromedia Contribute]

Hi, Michael Wilson wrote: > What would you consider to be the key standards and accessibility > settings for Dreamweaver that some of us might be overlooking? The settings I recommend to people at work Accessibility tab: Enable all of the "Show Attributes when Inserting" options Code Format

Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver : was [ Standards & Macromedia Contribute]

Hi all (hmm, this would be a de-lurk..), > > Also, I must admit I'm growing rather weary of all the negative remarks > > about Dreamweaver. From my humble perspective I use Dreamweaver MX 2004 > I must say I agree. As with all tools, you find out how best to use them and > what (if any) downsides