Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta

I have mixed feelings over this site, on first appearance I like the look esp the header and the colour changes Though I don't think its appropriate for the BBC, especially when alot of it seems to be a carbon copy of other sites. I hope there will be an option to theme the site 'classic' - so th

Re: [WSG] linking multiple CSS files

> Additionally you can use something like CSSTidy in that case I am using cssTidy for just this. A simple php script that puts all required css in buffer and writes a single file used by the page. For JS I am using JSMin in the same way with gzip etags also loading times improve dramaticall

Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

looks like another quagmire is about to open up; funny how I still feel that I am getting over ie6 2008/4/29 Dave Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Don't fix or change anything in your site to be compatible with a beta > version. > > The beta version is available so that developers can report problem

Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

gt; > They have created a nice operating system for general users and by > changing their engine to an open source > one is not going to decrease sales in their O/S. > > This isn't the end of the IE bugs. I can put my house on it there will be > more to come. > > O

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

As many have already commented I apply caution when using flash (because of it creates extra work, because users like Sven disable it by default and much more besides) The thing is some clients care initially more for the visual appeal (things bouncing around etc) of websites and not for features

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

chons/ > > http://jungaling.com/Malaysia/ > > http://simplyborneo.com/gardenforums/ > > http://jungaling.com/katesplace/ > > > >- Original Message - > >*From:* Sam Sherlock <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >*To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org <mailto

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

he content. And some Flash(y) content can be useful/attractive. > (Emphasis on 'can'!) Some people (probably a lot) really like that sort of > stuff ... :) > > - susie > > > On 7/5/08 5:03 AM, "Sam Sherlock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I tak

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

that timbuk2 is great. wholeheartedly agree about the small fonts and poor contrast though this is designers getting carried away with things, and pleasing their own egos often I get asked by clients to create a flash intro for a site, with cinematic ambitions they describe what they had in mind

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

> > debugging is easier and the license fee is a lot > lower :) its all to easy to end up a blind alley with flash also flash often allowed designers to ensure cross platform display Opera 9.5 looks great - very slick and dragonfly will be amazingly advantageous :) 2008/5/7 James Ellis <[EM

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

> > iPhone can do better does'nt support flash :) 2008/5/7 Michael MD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > some BIG usability NO-NOs I see on a lot of flash sites. > > intro pages (one of my pet hates - I HATE waiting ... and I'm sure I'm not > the only one! - they are pointless and should be BANNED! - if

Re: [WSG] A Great Example of Poor Accessibility

or try 64 squares http://64squar.es/ wish i had the time :) 2008/5/10 Svip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Not only Mac users are locked out (of course, so are Linux users, > etc.), but also users of older Windows. And you didn't even mention > Vista! > > MSN in my opinion has too many users for the s

Re: [WSG] Embed a flash file 100%

pardon me if I have missed something but have you tried posting this question to the swfObject list over at google code? also the comments made by Rick about flash scale mode are worth pursuing, perhaps stage.align may help. also may be helpful http://www.actionscript.com/Article/tabid/54/Article

Re: [WSG] HTML special characters coding

> > up as a "?" when it's > unknown rather than mangled as ’ has caused me truma in the past. now I use UTF-8 aiming to entify < > & and quotes aswell as £ and such dealing with large amounts of content thats been created in a wyswyg editor can be quite an issue erronus classes   also some h

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3

all I have to do is create had to do was create a new profile and set shortcuts to load ff3 with the new profile. heres some info http://blog.codefront.net/2007/08/20/how-to-have-firefox-3-and-firefox-2-running-at-the-same-time/ 2008/6/18 Sajan Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > It will replace the v

Re: [WSG] Centered List

have a look at http://www.accessify.com/tools-and-wizards/developer-tools/list-o-matic/ I think your going to need to set the width of the ol (and the li inbetween) set the margin of your ol to someing like margin: 5px auto; get firefox+firebug as it will allow you to test styles in firebug whic

Re: [WSG] input type image

chris's suggestion looks simluar to particletree's rediscovered button element > > >> input#btnGo { >>background: >> url(/proximer/_resource/generic/image/btn_go.jpg)!important >> top left no-repeat; >> } >> > > It probably "works", but the background image is neatly covered by the > actua

Re: [WSG] H1 and the img tag

ok - seo is a bit like voodoo to me the following sites seem to be contray to suggestion http://wordpress.org/ & .com - h1 with text-indent: -1000px http://www.alistapart.com - h1 with img alt text same on various pages - a duplicate on all pages (AFAIS) http://www.zeldman.com - h1 with text-ind

Re: [WSG] Re: Browser Backwards Compatibility -- How far back?

Old Mac Users are stuck I tried to a get a friends mac online and using Yahoo Mail (around the time a ymail dropped support of that browser) it had ie5 and nothing would work at all, no other options it was a second hand (supposedly cost effective machine) phazed into obselence. I frequently see I

Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]

> > Any bets for it being done in time to watch the 2018 World Cup on an HTML 5 > video feed? in a ie browser without any fudging? my initial response was only if Google are in position to take over Microsoft before that date, but... http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/05/19/another-follow-

Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]

> > That's an industry education project in itself. indeed it is and Microsoft was forced to inform windows users of the choice of browsers a little while ago BBC Click reported that one XP user worried that this was the result of malware installed on his machine. Often users ignore system messa

Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]

u'd have hated that. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 14 Jun 2010, at 16:34, Sam Sherlock wrote: > > That's an industry education project in itself. > > > indeed it is and Microsoft was forced to inform windows users of the choice > of browsers a little while

Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]

yet its worth noting that Opera & Firefox make browsers (& good ones) that work with older OS's yet newer versions of IE need newer OS's - its clean M$ is in cahoots with hardware vendors seeking to push the consumer into upgrading Some don't even drink milk at all; claiming that it just not suita

Re: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate

I find it works really well minimal files & overhead with lots of addition life smoothing extras (in my case *it* refers to profrontend template rather than boilerplate but has same practices) I would be interested to hear what others have to say too :) - S On 12 August 2010 12:57, Tom Livi

Re: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate

Dan I would look past per-site design choices such as that. and look into the neat and beneficial features which are many and various (also the example in use there is outdated compared with the code on github) the site has the initial release of html5boilerplate where as the github repo is stag

Re: [WSG] CSS and h264 vs Flash

Kroc Camen video for everybody http://camendesign.com/code/video_for_everybody I think Steve Jobs is thinking about everyone using Safari browser (or another modern browser that support h.264 not ff3.6 but ff4 will maybe, chrome does) but in reality for now such modern browsers are not as wide sp

Re: [WSG] CSS and h264 vs Flash

transitions with css here http://timvandamme.com/ some icons use transition with css with in . vcard in firefox the icons just use hover active - S On 29 September 2010 01:12, cat soul wrote: > On Sep 28, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Sam Sherlock wrote: > > Kroc Camen video for everybo

Re: [WSG] CSS and h264 vs Flash

; alternative to Flash, so perhaps a critical mass is forming... > > I do feel that flash has its place, but that it was a mistake jumping in > head first as the web seemed to do over flash so many years ago. > > cs > > > > On Sep 28, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Sam S

Re: [WSG] CSS and h264 vs Flash

@patrick yes pinning tasks is an example of what does not need to be done - flourish added by microsoft for extra flare :) - bet that was the result of some blue sky idea in some board room / focus group; more reason for ie 9ish being on xp (50% users) @mike some of the eloquence/stats I was looki

Re: [WSG] Detecting Mobile user agent - what methods work best?

Also you can get opera mobile emu for pc or mac :) http://my.opera.com/chooseopera/blog/2010/04/22/get-the-opera-mobile-emulator-on-your-mac-or-pc and the info for the Samsung Emu is here (think this is the appropriate link for what Tee mentioned) http://innovator.samsungmobile.com/galaxyTab.do

Re: [WSG] Aside and section

Sectioning within Aside Yes. These section would have a title as seen on html5doctor http://html5doctor.com/aside-revisited/ aside.extras contains sections also this maybe useful to you http://html5doctor.com/wp-content/uploads/HTML5Doctor-sectioning-flowchart.pdf - S On 28 January 201

Re: [WSG] FW: Killersites.com Newsletter - Not another nerd newsl etter!

Hi, Just to put the cat amongst the peigons - some of the points raised are valid IMHO. and by the by so is the mark up. I think he is off mark on the use of styles "My position is about temperance" - moderation "‘reality in the field’ and not some ivory-tower specification" - the reality an

Re: [WSG] IFR- what is the latest version?

Any site using sIFR in FF cramps the text into an unreadable mass, the flash is not used and I am left with illegible text I have flash block installed, sIFR detects flash block and does not display the flash.  The css leaves he text unreadable is this only me? Drake, Ted C. wrote: H

Re: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds

or so sublte its unnoticable and it increases the overall complexity of the site >SS kvnmcwebn wrote: 'And I agree Sam, having movement like that behind text is one of the worst things you can do.' I think that was meant as an example. If this trick is used in a more ambiant way it

[WSG] Hacks / Work Arounds for IE Mac and Old er IE Pc versions

I have noticed that some repeated background are not displaying in IE 5.5 since everything else works I was wondering if the background issue could be resolved? Also the perspective from IE Mac is messy the styles are not applied or have obscure results.  I am not on mac so testing is a littl

[WSG] HTML Color Combo Chooser - extremely well made

no need for replies just thought this would be of use to many of you http://www.siteprocentral.com/cgi-bin/feed/feed.cgi all the best - S ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guid

Re: [WSG] IE on the MAC is history

   "The current version of IE for Macs is effectively three years old, making it an outdated browser compared to its Windows equivalent." like the current version of IE on windows is not outdated?! Richard Stephenson wrote: Well you have probably all heard about this already but Microsof

Re: [WSG] best way to style addresses

Example: Newsletter editor J.R. Brown 8723 Buena Vista, Smallville, CT 01234 Tel: +1 (123) 456 7890 with whatever styling provided by CSS you care for. for more details see the link below http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html3/address.html tee wrote: Hi there, I am working on a page that in

[WSG] web developer toolbar for IE!!!!

I have just installed the web developer tool bar for internet explorer http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=e59c3964-672d-4511-bb3e-2d5e1db91038&displaylang=en its gonna come in real handy for me, I have'nt seen a post on WSG atb - S

[WSG] prevent cropping of a div

I have a wrapper div containing a base display I want the base display to extend to the full height of document or screen which ever is greater However the background image in the base display is cropped when scrolling is required this only occurs in FF, Safari and Opera - not in IE. I have

[WSG] Invisable Text (only in IE)

Hi, A while back I made a site which had invisable text in IE, this was not intended I could not figure out why either I had never seen it before nor since until it happened on Snook.ca Below is a screen shot from an article on snook. I have cropped the same area of the screen in thre

Re: [WSG] flash z-index conflict

I came across this the other day also . Since flash was colliding with my use of sweet titles. I was advised to set wmode to transparent, I works I am not begruding that but is there any logic to this. Surley wmode would just allow you to see through the flash object if set to transparent. Are

Re: [WSG] Floating Divs Over Flash

wmode="transparent" is something you want to look at earlier versions of safari does not support that, also you have issues if there is active content in the flash which competes for space with active content in divs that over lap. I would curb your enthusiasm as much as possible so as not to ge

Re: [WSG] IE6 problem

Hi, something else has cropped up. (Doesn't it always?!) and always when you least need it :) you could try textarea { margin-left: -200px; /* though this would be best in an IE-fixit.cssstylesheet using ie conditional comments */ width: 70%; height: 12em; font-family: helvetica, arial, genev

Re: [WSG] IE6 problem

works fine in ff, opera & ie on windows 2000 I click the beige links and get pdf's - S On 14/05/07, Susie Gardner-Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK, I've sorted out the textarea problem! Now it's just the links on the calendar page that aren't clickable ... ?! - susie On 14/5/07 12:04 P

Re: [WSG] IE6 problem

14/05/07, John Faulds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's not the links on the calendar that don't work - it's the links in the left nav. Not sure why but it's something to do with the h2 because taking it out fixes the problem. On Mon, 14 May 2007 12:58:37 +1000, Sam She

Re: [WSG] IE6 problem

anged it on the site and it's fine in IE7. If you want to give it one last look in IE6 that'd be wonderful (but I am sure I can find someone somewhere here at UQ with IE6 if you can't!) Thank you so much!! - susie On 14/5/07 1:43 PM, "Sam Sherlock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&

Re: [WSG] IE6 problem - more general

Hi, I am like you merely trying to keep a grasp of the situation I have glanced over this article today http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/05/10/70-expert-ideas-for-better-css-coding/ featuring some ideas from Rachel Andrews. and I hate to be the bearer of bad news but its still not clickab

[WSG] mutli language websites

Hello WSG List Members, I am delveloping a website that can switch between english and itallian. I am wondering if I should be using en-GB or en-gb for my lang attributes and also for the are these attributes sensitive to casing? or should I just have en also is the charset iso-8859-1 OK for

Re: [WSG] mutli language websites

Robin Berjon wrote: Geoff Deering wrote: Does anyone use transparent content negotiation to handle multiple language sites?  I get the feeling this is hardly ever used, if so, why not? The problem IME is that when you use it you have to also provide a way for the user to pick he

Re: [WSG] Playing a sound file - what is the best way?

I would use Flash to play the audio and provide an alternative link to the sound file as alternative content thanks >> SS Stevio wrote: I have a sound file that my client wants me to put on his web site. It is a radio advert that they currently have running. The format of the file is m4a (mp4).

[WSG] make poverty history website

Hi List, I visited the www.makepovertyhistory.org website last night and was pleased to see that the site uses Geoff Sterns FlashObject. This seems to reaffirm my opinion that the flashObject method of placing flash in the page is more approprate than the MM object / embed code and flash satay

Re: [WSG] make poverty history website

---Original Message----- From: sam sherlock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 May 2005 17:13 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] make poverty history website Hi List, I visited the www.makepovertyhistory.org website last night and was pleased to see that the site uses Geoff Sterns FlashOb

Re: [WSG] make poverty history website

Patrick H. Lauke wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So. On 5/19/05, Andy Budd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nancy Johnson wrote: Is it true that the W3C has not done a spec for Flash? If that is so why? Because Flash is a proprietary product! So, the W3C is the web's standards body, and they only defi

Re: [WSG] make poverty history website

This tangent has gotten quite interesting and turned out to be very informative indeed here is a basic prototype of a site I am making, still early doors yet http://s107442706.websitehome.co.uk/kos5/flash/ I am using flashObject to place the swf in the page. users with a version of flash les

Re: [WSG] Flash Satay Embed Issue

last week i poted a question on this topic asking list members what they thought of the variousmethods of embedding flash below is a link to flash object so far it has never failed any test posed to it http://blog.deconcept.com/2005/03/31/proper-flash-embedding-flashobject-best-practices/ an

Re: [WSG] Flash Satay Embed Issue

Ian Fenn wrote: I wrote: I tried implementing this method last week and whilst the examples worked fine on my desktop, I couldn't get the code to work from my server. I forgot to add that it crashed with a _javascript_ error - object expected. All the best, -- Ian Fenn

Re: [WSG] valid flash?

http://blog.deconcept.com/2005/03/31/proper-flash-embedding-flashobject-best-practices/ if your not adverse to using some javascript, no ones be able to prove any draw backs to using this system yet certainly much easier than merthods you re trying!! designer wrote: OK, I'm getting a bit co

Re: [WSG] Accordion style script behaviour

I would try youngpup.net and may be shaun innman atb Sam Peter Ottery wrote: i really like this "accordion" show/hide script... http://openrico.org/demos.page?demo=ricoAccordion.html .. and am thinking it might be useful for a really long list of FAQ's on a page. this particular example relie

Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML

Hi All, I have been using flashObject for some time now I have heard that satay does not display the object until the movie is loaded also I have found it to be quite hard to work with, and flash object is soo simple I strated a thread a while ago asking if anyone knew of / could fin

[WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible?

What I would like to be able to do is detect to see if the user has the proper support for web standards and if not redirect them to a version of the site using old skool junk HTML --- Owen Briggs used a style class named .ahem set to display: hidden which links use

Re: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible?

Thanks for the responses. I agree with the points being made so far I am relucant to maintain two sites (actually I am using PHP to rebuild the junk from the XHTML semantic site and will be adding a full flash version too :) but this is not a php list ) Bert Doorn wrote: Why? What benefit d

Re: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible?

it was eariler in the discussion >Bob McClelland >www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk wrote: >if (!document.getElementById) > {window.location="/v4/?dom=false"} Bret Lester wrote: Curious--how do you check for DOM? BL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible?

further more part of my stratergy is too use some kind of php sniffer script like http://phpsniff.sourceforge.net/ - not straying out of the remit of this list check the following stats produced property_name return value ua mozilla/5.0 (windows; u;

[WSG] clearfixing

I found this CSS on a site www.kiss100.com quite interested to know how it behaves in browsers, though it is heavy javascript I often use a .reset class which i gather is to serve the same purpose via a different approach. .clearfix:after { content: "."; display: block; height: 0; clear

Re: [WSG] clearfixing

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rowan Lewis wrote: Or how about the much simpler more correct method? http://www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html is there something wrong with standards mode? dwain thanks to all you sugestions on this 1 - great help atb > Sam

Re: [WSG] javascript question - body onload events question

I believe that you need to do something like the following window. { stripe('playlist', '#fff', '#edf3fe'); } atb S Drake, Ted C. wrote: Hi All I've been trying to get a straight answer for this question from our _javascript_ person but haven't gotten it yet. I hope this is on-top

Re: [WSG] Site Check Win 2000

bullet proof here also Dean | eCreate wrote: If anybody out there has Win 2000 running IE6 could you check this URL: I am getting one report that it is loading but then hanging up IE. Thanks, Dean **

[WSG] circodeliaproducciones.com - thoughts on this site

I happened acrosss this site on stylegala. http://www.circodeliaproducciones.com/ I would like to know what the list members think of the site critism / praise and other comments atb - Sam ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgro

Re: [WSG] circodeliaproducciones.com - thoughts on this site

iones.com/circodelia_producciones_artisticas_trabajos_clientes.php ciao, Zulema Z u l e m a O r t i z w e b d e s i g n e r email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] website : http://zoblue.com/ weblog : http://blog.zoblue.com/ browser : http://getfirefox.com/ sam sherlock wrote: I happened acrosss this site on stylegala. http://www.circodeliaproducciones

Re: [WSG] circodeliaproducciones.com - thoughts on this site

ourth with my aims and research can members be descriptive with critism? please many thanks Sam David Laakso wrote: sam sherlock wrote: I happened acrosss this site on stylegala. http://www.circodeliaproducciones.com/ I would like to know what the list members think of the site

Re: [WSG] circodeliaproducciones.com - thoughts on this site

of course time) personally I find it strange that he has choosen to use both sIFR and flashObject atb Sam Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: sam sherlock wrote: I happened acrosss this site on stylegala. http://www.circodeliaproducciones.com/ I would like to know what the list members think of the

Re: [WSG] Firefox float/clear:both ¿bug?

Hi I have been using the following: /* clear this fix */ .clearThis:after { content: "."; display: block; height: 0; clear: both; visibility: hidden; } /* Hides from IE-mac \*/ * html .clearThis {height: 1%;} /* End hide from IE-mac */ more information at http://www.positio

Re: [WSG] firefox for OS9?

As far as I know web browsers for os9 are limited however against my expectations you should be able to get a build of firefox / mozilla here http://www.mozilla.org/download.html (scroll to the bottom of the page) safari & camino are only supported in osX as far as I know. atb > Sam Drake, T

Re: [WSG] Flash and Standards

I have been using FlashObject for sometime now, indeed I have posted here before asking what members of the list think of the technique. You may be interested to know that makepovertyhistory.org uses the flashObject technique, as an alternative there is also ufo http://www.bobbyvandersluis.co

Re: [WSG] a few more issues with page layout with definition list

i spotted this in the css div#thumbnailheaders dt dd {float:right; width:100px;} should'nt it be div#thumbnailheaders dl dd {float:right; width:100px;} atb>Sam Rachel Radford wrote: There are many ways of making a css rule so that different browsers see it differently (do a google search

Re: [WSG] A web site programming question

Hi, You should check out the creamweaver task force sit There are a number of adjustments and customisations you'll need to make http://webstandards.org/act/campaign/dwtf/ atb> Sam Angus at InfoForce Services wrote: I do not know if this is off topic for this list. Just incase pleas

Re: [WSG] Sliced Image Dilema

I think your question should be rephrazed a little table based sliced image html (as seen in david seaguls book Killer Websites) Vs Webstandard 'Tableless' CSS design table based sliced image layout pros     easy to produce consistant layout     may even use images instead of text (at the

Re: [WSG] IE problem with

You can leave out the xml prolog, its IE messing things up again (yet again - over and over) if you choose to put it in IE (aka inferior explorer) will use quirksmode and ignore all mannor of things such as absolute positioning, and a whole raft of other things, other compliant browsers will b

Re: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds

I thought it was not possible, since flash is suppose to be rendered outside the browser and place on top by the OS at least for windows anyway. I use flash some times and am not dead against it, I viewed you example in disbelief not expecting it to work I did in IE. I think it would in FF,