Re: PDF Display

[infrahile]

Thanks for the script Pat, I currently just right-click on the item  
and select 'View in Preview', but I'll give your this a try on a  
keyboard trigger.


My main point though is that it'd be a great feature to have built  
in, I know he BB folks are keen to KISS (ooh er missus), but I don't  
think a list of page thumbnails would constitute feature bloat, I  
consider it a fairly essential feature of PDF's.


T.



On 25 May 2007, at 18:10, Patrick Gilmour wrote:


I had the same problem.

The best solution is to simply drag the icon of the PDF from  
Yojimbo to either Acrobat or Preview and it will open in that  
application.


If you want a script to do this for the currently selected document:

==
on getSelectedItemsOfClass(itemClass)
set _resultItems to {}
tell application "Yojimbo"
set _selectedItems to get selected items of browser window 1
repeat with i from 1 to count of _selectedItems
if class of item i of _selectedItems is itemClass then
copy item i of _selectedItems to end of 
_resultItems
end if
end repeat
end tell
return _resultItems
end getSelectedItemsOfClass

tell application "Yojimbo"
	set _selectedPDFArchives to my getSelectedItemsOfClass(pdf archive  
item)
	set _files to (export _selectedPDFArchives to (path to temporary  
items)) as list

end tell


tell application "Adobe Acrobat Professional" --Use you PDF viewer  
here

open _files
activate
end tell

tell application "Finder"
move _files to trash
end tell
==


Cheers,


Pat



On May 25, 2007, at 13:06 PM, infrahile wrote:


Here's another request, I'm on a roll…

PDF's: maybe I've missed a feature, but it seems there is no way  
currently to view the list of pages in a PDF document. Maybe the  
Acrobat 8 way of displaying page thumbnails down the side of the  
background area would work well - I'm not a developer so I have no  
idea how easy/hard this is, but I'm frequently frustrated with  
long PDF documents if I can't scan through a list of page  
thumbnails, adding this feature would be a positive boon!


I'll pre-empt the inevitable; no, searching won't help - may of  
the documents I'm referring to are very visual, such as design  
guidelines documents, design concepts, etc. which are often image- 
only or largely image based. A quick visual reference would really  
improve the usefulness of PDF's in YJ, for this user at least.



Cheers,
T.
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Re: PDF Display

[Patrick Gilmour]

I had the same problem.

The best solution is to simply drag the icon of the PDF from Yojimbo  
to either Acrobat or Preview and it will open in that application.


If you want a script to do this for the currently selected document:

==
on getSelectedItemsOfClass(itemClass)
set _resultItems to {}
tell application "Yojimbo"
set _selectedItems to get selected items of browser window 1
repeat with i from 1 to count of _selectedItems
if class of item i of _selectedItems is itemClass then
copy item i of _selectedItems to end of 
_resultItems
end if
end repeat
end tell
return _resultItems
end getSelectedItemsOfClass

tell application "Yojimbo"
	set _selectedPDFArchives to my getSelectedItemsOfClass(pdf archive  
item)
	set _files to (export _selectedPDFArchives to (path to temporary  
items)) as list

end tell


tell application "Adobe Acrobat Professional" --Use you PDF viewer here
open _files
activate
end tell

tell application "Finder"
move _files to trash
end tell
==


Cheers,


Pat



On May 25, 2007, at 13:06 PM, infrahile wrote:


Here's another request, I'm on a roll…

PDF's: maybe I've missed a feature, but it seems there is no way  
currently to view the list of pages in a PDF document. Maybe the  
Acrobat 8 way of displaying page thumbnails down the side of the  
background area would work well - I'm not a developer so I have no  
idea how easy/hard this is, but I'm frequently frustrated with long  
PDF documents if I can't scan through a list of page thumbnails,  
adding this feature would be a positive boon!


I'll pre-empt the inevitable; no, searching won't help - may of the  
documents I'm referring to are very visual, such as design  
guidelines documents, design concepts, etc. which are often image- 
only or largely image based. A quick visual reference would really  
improve the usefulness of PDF's in YJ, for this user at least.



Cheers,
T.
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PDF Display

[infrahile]

Here's another request, I'm on a roll…

PDF's: maybe I've missed a feature, but it seems there is no way  
currently to view the list of pages in a PDF document. Maybe the  
Acrobat 8 way of displaying page thumbnails down the side of the  
background area would work well - I'm not a developer so I have no  
idea how easy/hard this is, but I'm frequently frustrated with long  
PDF documents if I can't scan through a list of page thumbnails,  
adding this feature would be a positive boon!


I'll pre-empt the inevitable; no, searching won't help - may of the  
documents I'm referring to are very visual, such as design guidelines  
documents, design concepts, etc. which are often image-only or  
largely image based. A quick visual reference would really improve  
the usefulness of PDF's in YJ, for this user at least.



Cheers,
T.
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Flag item

[infrahile]

Another minor feature request…

I've recently switched to using YJ in two-pane mode (no preview area)  
and opening items in new windows (allowing me to keep the Library on  
my MBP screen to one side of my main 20" where I view the items in  
individual windows, in case you're curious why!) I also use the Flag  
feature and the 'Flagged items' smart collection as a quick reference  
for currently important stuff. Which brings me to the request… it'd  
be great to add to the individual item window toolbar a 'Flag' button  
- via the 'Customise toolbar' feature. At the moment I can find no  
way to do this from anywhere other than the Library window and even  
the menu entry in 'Item' has 'Mark as Flagged' greyed out for  
individual item windows.



Cheers,
T.

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Re: Folders/Tag-collections

[infrahile]

…but I use folders (in the Finder) to organize more structured  
projects.



Sure, but it's not even for structuring projects that it'd be useful,  
I'm not really interested in doing that with YJ. Even for my own  
loosely related odds and ends (my library is mainly this stuff too)  
the ability to, say, separate work related collections from leisure  
related ones would be handy. It's mainly about tidying up that  
sidebar and making it more effective, not building some kind of  
pseudo-hierarchy.


T.


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Re: Folders/Tag-collections

[Jim DeVona]

On 5/25/07, Kenneth Kirksey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Man: This hammer you sold me isn't fully featured! It doesn't do what
I want a hammer to do!

Clerk: (looking perplexed) What doesn't it do?

Man: It won't drive this (holds up philips head screw) into wood!
Where do you get off selling me a hammer that doesn't do everything I
want it to do!


I have to admit, I find the allusion apt!

I currently have 9 tag collections and 809 items in my library. I use
Yojimbo to manage all sorts of loosely related odds and ends, but I
use folders (in the Finder) to organize more structured projects.
(Like a Rolodex and a filing cabinet, to belabor the traditional
desktop metaphor.) I certainly recognize that people work in different
ways, though.

Jim

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Re: Folders/Tag-collections

[Niels Kobschätzki]

On May 25, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Luis Roca - Popular Interactive wrote:

The way I have my collections set up is identical to David Allen's  
method
for general filing. The collections are labeled A - Z with only the  
library
showing otherwise. When I search for something I know it can only  
be in a
few places alphabetically and then I can sort according to tags,  
labels, or

kind.


How do you do this with research articles? How do you do this if  
there is more than one writing system involved (in my case Japanese  
and Korean).



Has anyone else here used Yojimbo for their GTD workflow.


I have most of my @read-stuff in Yojimbo (which reminds me that tags  
are not yet included in the mdimporter…) - I use iGTD and a Hipster- 
PDA for my GTD-stuff


Niels
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Re: Folders/Tag-collections

[Luis Roca - Popular Interactive]

The way I have my collections set up is identical to David Allen's method
for general filing. The collections are labeled A - Z with only the library
showing otherwise. When I search for something I know it can only be in a
few places alphabetically and then I can sort according to tags, labels, or
kind. 

Has anyone else here used Yojimbo for their GTD workflow.

Luis Roca

On 5/25/07 3:25 AM, "Yojimbo-Talk List"  wrote:

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Re: yojimbo-module

[infrahile]

…you don't need an additional Yojimbo license. All flavors of  
Yojimbo license we sell allow use on multiple machines.



You'd never make it as a Used Car Salesman. ;o)


Given that I do not own a single Yojimbo license yet (I'm still in  
demo mode) he actually did his best to convince me of a purchase :)

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Re: Folders/Tag-collections

[infrahile]

All very amusing, but not a fair analogy in any way…

This is not a request for a new or wildly unrelated feature, I  
already use YJ for browsing, it forms the majority of the way I use  
it and it does so pretty well. Features such as collections and tag- 
collections exist already and have nothing to do with searching,  
they're all about helping the user focus on a subsection of their  
data. This is just a request for a simple enhancement to make the use  
of an established feature more friendly and useful.


If you check the YJ website promo blurb you'll find this listed as a  
highlight…


"Organize your information any way that suits your style, from  
“everything in one spot” to “organized to the extreme”"


…and elsewhere…

"Collections provide a rich and sophisticated method of organizing  
the information you store in Yojimbo. Whether you use the built-in  
Smart Collections or create your own, Yojimbo works with you."


…to my mind "any way that suits your style" and "Yojimbo works with  
you" indicates that supporting more than one data management  
methodology is an implicit feature, there is nothing there to  
indicate that the sole purpose of YJ is to tag and search. Indeed,  
"organised to the extreme" would seem to suggest the opposite is  
equally supported.


So to return to your analogy - that hammer was sold to me on the  
understanding that it supports driving screws into wood, I'm pretty  
happy with the way it does this but I have some suggestions to make  
it better. Is that so unreasonable?


T.





On 25 May 2007, at 15:15, Kenneth Kirksey wrote:


Some of the comments in this thread have been along the lines of
"Well I can find what I'm looking for amongst my 200 Bajillion items
in moments - and, look Ma, no collections, ain't I grand". Well,
great for you, but there are other ways of reviewing data than
knowing what you want and extracting it with aplomb from a big messy
pile. There is a very good reason why this is useful and why
organising these collections better would be even more useful�  
Browsing.




The scene: A man storms angrily into a hardware store, carrying a  
hammer in one hand an a screw in the other. He stomps up to the  
customer service desk and proceeds to give the clerk a good tongue  
lashing.


Man: This hammer you sold me isn't fully featured! It doesn't do  
what I want a hammer to do!


Clerk: (looking perplexed) What doesn't it do?

Man: It won't drive this (holds up philips head screw) into wood!  
Where do you get off selling me a hammer that doesn't do everything  
I want it to do!


Clerk: (looking even more perplexed). Sir, hammers are for driving  
nails, not screws. We've got nails if you'd like to use your  
hammer, or we can sell you a screwdriver to use with your screws.  
There are plenty of options, but you can't drive a screw with a  
hammer.


Man: Dammit, I don't want nails or a screwdriver! I want to drive  
these screws with this hammer! What's wrong with you people! How do  
you even keep customers? If a customer wants a hammer that will  
drive screws, then dammit, you give them a hammer that will drive  
screws! I don't care what the hammer was designed to do, I want it  
to do what I WANT IT TO DO!


Clerk: (now afraid that he's talking to a bat-s**t crazy lunatic)  
Sir, the manager's office is right over that way...


:)
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Re: Folders/Tag-collections

[david]

You were obviously watching the wrong channel -

The scene: a man breezes into a hardware store carrying a hammer in  
one hand and a screw in the other. He walks up to the customer  
service desk with a perplexed look on his face:


Man: I sent my wife in yesterday with this odd hexigonal screw to get  
a screw driver so I could put together the ikea desk we bought. The  
clerk sold her this hammer.


Clerk: Well, it will work won't it?

He takes hammer and screw from the man and proceeds to hammer the  
screw into the service desk.


Clerk: See? It works perfectly!

Man: Uh, right.

The man turns around and walks out shaking his head sadly at the  
state of customer service in the store.


Man: I wonder it there's intelligent life on Mars. I fear there's  
none here on earth.


On May 25, 2007, at 10:15 AM, Kenneth Kirksey wrote:


Some of the comments in this thread have been along the lines of
"Well I can find what I'm looking for amongst my 200 Bajillion items
in moments - and, look Ma, no collections, ain't I grand". Well,
great for you, but there are other ways of reviewing data than
knowing what you want and extracting it with aplomb from a big messy
pile. There is a very good reason why this is useful and why
organising these collections better would be even more useful�  
Browsing.




The scene: A man storms angrily into a hardware store, carrying a  
hammer in one hand an a screw in the other. He stomps up to the  
customer service desk and proceeds to give the clerk a good tongue  
lashing.


Man: This hammer you sold me isn't fully featured! It doesn't do  
what I want a hammer to do!


Clerk: (looking perplexed) What doesn't it do?

Man: It won't drive this (holds up philips head screw) into wood!  
Where do you get off selling me a hammer that doesn't do everything  
I want it to do!


Clerk: (looking even more perplexed). Sir, hammers are for driving  
nails, not screws. We've got nails if you'd like to use your  
hammer, or we can sell you a screwdriver to use with your screws.  
There are plenty of options, but you can't drive a screw with a  
hammer.


Man: Dammit, I don't want nails or a screwdriver! I want to drive  
these screws with this hammer! What's wrong with you people! How do  
you even keep customers? If a customer wants a hammer that will  
drive screws, then dammit, you give them a hammer that will drive  
screws! I don't care what the hammer was designed to do, I want it  
to do what I WANT IT TO DO!


Clerk: (now afraid that he's talking to a bat-s**t crazy lunatic)  
Sir, the manager's office is right over that way...


:)
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which is

a terribly difficult lesson to learn.

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Re: yojimbo-module

[Sebastian Stark]

On 25.05.2007, at 15:42, infrahile wrote:

…you don't need an additional Yojimbo license. All flavors of  
Yojimbo license we sell allow use on multiple machines.



You'd never make it as a Used Car Salesman. ;o)


Given that I do not own a single Yojimbo license yet (I'm still in  
demo mode) he actually did his best to convince me of a purchase :)

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Re: Folders/Tag-collections

[Kenneth Kirksey]

Some of the comments in this thread have been along the lines of
"Well I can find what I'm looking for amongst my 200 Bajillion items
in moments - and, look Ma, no collections, ain't I grand". Well,
great for you, but there are other ways of reviewing data than
knowing what you want and extracting it with aplomb from a big messy
pile. There is a very good reason why this is useful and why
organising these collections better would be even more useful�  
Browsing.




The scene: A man storms angrily into a hardware store, carrying a  
hammer in one hand an a screw in the other. He stomps up to the  
customer service desk and proceeds to give the clerk a good tongue  
lashing.


Man: This hammer you sold me isn't fully featured! It doesn't do what  
I want a hammer to do!


Clerk: (looking perplexed) What doesn't it do?

Man: It won't drive this (holds up philips head screw) into wood!  
Where do you get off selling me a hammer that doesn't do everything I  
want it to do!


Clerk: (looking even more perplexed). Sir, hammers are for driving  
nails, not screws. We've got nails if you'd like to use your hammer,  
or we can sell you a screwdriver to use with your screws. There are  
plenty of options, but you can't drive a screw with a hammer.


Man: Dammit, I don't want nails or a screwdriver! I want to drive  
these screws with this hammer! What's wrong with you people! How do  
you even keep customers? If a customer wants a hammer that will drive  
screws, then dammit, you give them a hammer that will drive screws! I  
don't care what the hammer was designed to do, I want it to do what I  
WANT IT TO DO!


Clerk: (now afraid that he's talking to a bat-s**t crazy lunatic)  
Sir, the manager's office is right over that way...


:)
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Re: yojimbo-module

[infrahile]

…you don't need an additional Yojimbo license. All flavors of  
Yojimbo license we sell allow use on multiple machines.



You'd never make it as a Used Car Salesman. ;o)

T.
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Re: yojimbo-module

[Steve Kalkwarf]

Good point, personally I never used .mac sync. This would 
require me to 1) buy a .mac account and 2) buy another yojimbo license.


While the .Mac requirement is true, you don't need an additional 
Yojimbo license. All flavors of Yojimbo license we sell allow 
use on multiple machines.


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Re: yojimbo-module

[Sebastian Stark]

On 25.05.2007, at 09:25, Niels Kobschätzki wrote:



Kerris last mail reminded me of the Yojimbo-module for  
Quicksilver. And I just tried to do a "Command window with  
selection" and "add to yojimbo" but I can't use "Add to Yojimbo"  
for a selected Finder-item; any idea what could fix that. And  
where can I ask for feature requests for the Quicksilver-module -  
here?


For me it works to select something in the Finder (file or folder)  
and the type command-Esc, which I think is a predefined trigger  
for "command window with selection"*. This pulls the current  
selection into quicksilver and gives me the ability to select "add  
to yojimbo" as the action.


cmd+esc doesn't work when you have FrontRow enabled - just disabled  
it and it seems that cmd+esc is different to the QS-trigger  
"Command window with selection".

If I use cmd+esc I can use the yojimbo-triggers.


Hello again,

Just noticed: It's a real pity you can not drag non-text files or  
folders from Finder into the Yojimbo drop dock. It would be very  
convenient if you could add bookmarks to files or folders by dragging  
them into the drop dock. And since part of this functionality is  
already there it shouldn't be too hard to do.


And how does Yojimbo decide wether a file dragged into the dock is  
actually containing text? Seems like it's looking at the extension,  
because I can not do this with .css files.



Sebastian
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Re: yojimbo-module

[J. Stewart]

On 5/25/07 at 3:25 AM, Niels Kobschätzki 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake thusly:



And it would be great to do that.
I try to learn now AppleScript for trying to write an action 
via a script that will archive a pdf in yojimbo and which will 
present you a dialog for adding tags like the 
netnewswire_to_pukka_and_yojimbo-script does.


Niels



Contact me off list about this please. I suspect I can be of 
help.  :)


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Re: yojimbo-module

[Sebastian Stark]

On 25.05.2007, at 09:25, Niels Kobschätzki wrote:
The _nice_ thing about this is that this actually adds a bookmark  
that points to the file or folder. Perfect!


That's not really perfect for me - the great advantage for me in  
Yojimbo in comparison to stuff like Devonthink is that it syncs the  
stuff in your library.

Add to Yojimbo creates a bookmark - not very useful for local stuff.


Good point, personally I never used .mac sync. This would require me  
to 1) buy a .mac account and 2) buy another yojimbo license. I don't  
believe in the "put EVERYTHING, including files, into your personal  
information manager" strategy. In the end you find yourself misusing  
yojimbo as a file manager. On the other hand, it would certainly be  
nice to put SOME files into it from time to time.


btw., I think the "archive to yojimbo" is meant for URLs. At least it  
works with URLs.


Archive in Yojimbo seems not to function with PDFs (at least  
nothing happens)


I would like to do the following: selct a pdf in Finder, "Command  
window with selection" (it's a QS-trigger in my case), tab, add  
to yojimbo, tab, add yojimbo-tags, tab, tags, enter (import to  
yojimbo with the tags))


Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. You can not manage  
yojimbo tags from withing quicksilver, as far as I know.


And it would be great to do that.
I try to learn now AppleScript for trying to write an action via a  
script that will archive a pdf in yojimbo and which will present  
you a dialog for adding tags like the  
netnewswire_to_pukka_and_yojimbo-script does.


Let me know whan I can beta test :)
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Re: yojimbo-module

[Niels Kobschätzki]

On May 25, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Sebastian Stark wrote:



Hi Niels,

On 24.05.2007, at 23:17, Niels Kobschätzki wrote:


Hi!

Kerris last mail reminded me of the Yojimbo-module for  
Quicksilver. And I just tried to do a "Command window with  
selection" and "add to yojimbo" but I can't use "Add to Yojimbo"  
for a selected Finder-item; any idea what could fix that. And  
where can I ask for feature requests for the Quicksilver-module -  
here?


For me it works to select something in the Finder (file or folder)  
and the type command-Esc, which I think is a predefined trigger for  
"command window with selection"*. This pulls the current selection  
into quicksilver and gives me the ability to select "add to  
yojimbo" as the action.


cmd+esc doesn't work when you have FrontRow enabled - just disabled  
it and it seems that cmd+esc is different to the QS-trigger "Command  
window with selection".

If I use cmd+esc I can use the yojimbo-triggers.

The _nice_ thing about this is that this actually adds a bookmark  
that points to the file or folder. Perfect!


That's not really perfect for me - the great advantage for me in  
Yojimbo in comparison to stuff like Devonthink is that it syncs the  
stuff in your library.

Add to Yojimbo creates a bookmark - not very useful for local stuff.
Archive in Yojimbo seems not to function with PDFs (at least nothing  
happens)


I would like to do the following: selct a pdf in Finder, "Command  
window with selection" (it's a QS-trigger in my case), tab, add to  
yojimbo, tab, add yojimbo-tags, tab, tags, enter (import to  
yojimbo with the tags))


Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. You can not manage yojimbo  
tags from withing quicksilver, as far as I know.


And it would be great to do that.
I try to learn now AppleScript for trying to write an action via a  
script that will archive a pdf in yojimbo and which will present you  
a dialog for adding tags like the netnewswire_to_pukka_and_yojimbo- 
script does.


Niels



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