>On numerous occasions, we have been counseled that women need to get a good
>education to not waste the gifts that have been given to her. I would
>hazard to guess that many working mothers do not really have to work, that
>the family could work things out so that she would not have to work.
>
>H
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Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: [ZION] working woman
> Stacy Smith wrote:
> >I wish I could work at all. The Department of Rehabilitation in this
> >county has evaluated me and decided I am unemployable. This is
Stacy Smith wrote:
> The line must be decided individual case by individual case between the
> person and the bishop, I'm sure.
in response to a posting by Jim Cobabe:
> >With regard to applying prophetic counsel, where is the line between
> >personal prerogative and inspiration, and personal apost
be,
in general, of low integrity.
Jon
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From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: [ZION] working woman
> Stacy Smith wrote:
> >I wish I could
That's not true of me. I loved medical transcription but did not have the
necessary speed required and the references I was able to get became out of
date soon. I loved it and I could learn to love something else.
Stacy.
At 08:55 AM 09/20/2003 -0800, you wrote:
Stacy Smith wrote:
I wish I co
I am diabetic and I had to find a way to observe the fast properly and
still keep my sugar level at a reasonable point. I had been newly
diagnosed and wasn't sure about how I could keep the fast. I now have some
very good ideas through my bishop.
Stacy.
At 12:16 AM 09/20/2003 +, you wrot
Stacy Smith wrote:
I wish I could work at all. The Department of Rehabilitation in this
county has evaluated me and decided I am unemployable. This is no
laughing matter for me and has caused me much depression. Seeing I have
no children, employment outside the home should not have been a pro
Heidi
> [Original Message]
> From: Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 9/19/2003 9:12:23 AM
> Subject: RE: [ZION] working woman
>
>
> With regard to applying prophetic counsel, where is the line between
> personal prerogative and
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:35:44 + Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>
> Sounds like we need not follow prophetic counsel as long as our
> circumstances make it inconvenient or uncomfortable for us.
>
> Am I getting this right?
No, you're wrong prophet Jim. Your interpretation and expect
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Be careful, Jim, of painting all LDS working women with the same brush.
---
Yah, hope I wasn't doing that. But here's something to consider
further...
"It is in vain for persons to fancy to themselves that they are heirs
with those, or can be heirs with them, who
Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 9/19/2003 9:12:23 AM
> Subject: RE: [ZION] working woman
>
>
> With regard to applying prophetic counsel, where is the line between
> personal prerogative and inspiration, and personal apostasy?
>
Stacy Smith wrote:
---
Not exactly. Sometimes it can be very uncomfortable to follow prophetic
counsel and sometimes circumstantial change does not warrant a change.
If there is any difficulty in this, as there has been with me and the
fast, one counsels with the bishop.
---
Not sure I under
Not exactly. Sometimes it can be very uncomfortable to follow prophetic
counsel and sometimes circumstantial change does not warrant a change. If
there is any difficulty in this, as there has been with me and the fast,
one counsels with the bishop.
Stacy.
At 01:35 PM 09/19/2003 +, you wr
The line must be decided individual case by individual case between the
person and the bishop, I'm sure.
Stacy.
At 02:12 PM 09/19/2003 +, you wrote:
With regard to applying prophetic counsel, where is the line between
personal prerogative and inspiration, and personal apostasy?
2 Sam 6:6-7
With regard to applying prophetic counsel, where is the line between
personal prerogative and inspiration, and personal apostasy?
2 Sam 6:6-7
And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth his hand
to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook it.
And the anger o
Sounds like we need not follow prophetic counsel as long as our
circumstances make it inconvenient or uncomfortable for us.
Am I getting this right?
//
/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at ///
/// http://www.zion
At 07:28 PM 9/15/03 -0500, Paul Osborne wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:48:07 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Oh! And I forgot...my husband has also literally broken his back at
> work...when the store was being constructed, they didn't properly
> cover an
> area where pipes and that come up to t
Thanks Ronn. My point exactly, and, many people haven't had pay raises
for a couple of years but things keep going up like medical insurance but
the benefits go down. Pretty soon people will be jumping out of windows
and off bridges. The country is in a serious depression.
Paul O
On Sun, 14 Sep
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:48:07 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Oh! And I forgot...my husband has also literally broken his back at
> work...when the store was being constructed, they didn't properly
> cover an
> area where pipes and that come up to the ground...only covered it
> in
> plywood.
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:50:33 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I, too, would also like decent health care for my family, but we pay
> more
> and get less coverage than the union employees do. He doesn't get
> overtime. They do. He doesn't have any recourse when he doesn't
> like how
> he's be
years in, was not promoted. Yes, my
> husband
> is white collar, but I have to work, too.
>
> Heidi
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Paul Osborne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 9/14/2003 7:56:10 PM
> > Subje
favors other females
> in promotions. The last person to get promoted was a female with less
than
> 2 years of service in, yet my husband who is eminently more qualified and
> smarter and who has nearly 5 years in, was not promoted. Yes, my husband
> is white collar, but I have t
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> Date: 9/15/2003 8:26:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [ZION] working woman
>
>
> As a member of a union (NEA, ISTA, BEA), and the widow of a "spoiled?"
blue collar UAW worker, I'd like to see your husband get his hands dirty
doing the blue-collar work my husband
ped around it, but when his foot hit the wood, the wood shattered, he
fell and the pipes broke his fall, as well as his back.
Heidi
> [Original Message]
> From: Val <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 9/15/2003 8:26:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [ZION] working wo
Again, I'm sorry...I didn't mean to offend.
Heidi
> [Original Message]
> From: Val <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 9/15/2003 8:26:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [ZION] working woman
>
>
> As a member of a union (NEA, ISTA, BEA), and the
ted. Yes, my husband
is white collar, but I have to work, too.
Heidi
> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Osborne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 9/14/2003 7:56:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [ZION] working woman
>
> Gordon B. Hinckley, "Women of t
e if you must, but first walk a mile in my shoes...
Heidi
> [Original Message]
> From: Ronn! Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 9/14/2003 8:45:28 PM
> Subject: RE: [ZION] working woman
>
> At 09:04 PM 9/14/03 -0400, Noel B wrote:
> &
Perhaps we work because our husbands are, DEAD!
There are many reasons women have to work. My husband was a blue collar worker, and
even with a cheap mortgage (under 100,000) we could not make ends meet on his check
alone.
We never had a boat, never had a second home, never moved from the m
: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 9/14/2003 7:56:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [ZION] working woman
>
> Gordon B. Hinckley, "Women of the Church," Ensign, Nov. 1996, 67
> "Some years ago President Benson delivered a message to the women of the
> Church. He encouraged them to
At 09:04 PM 9/14/03 -0400, Noel B wrote:
And why are they working? To get that second car, or the boat or the
bigger house???
Or occasionally to keep the family from falling any further behind when
taxes of various sorts frequently take up the first 50% of everyone's
income, gas is over $2.00 a
ts Amendment if
this was the position we are going to assume??
Help me understand where this is taking us?
NB
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Osborne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 8:23 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [ZION] workin
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> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 8:23 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [ZION] working woman
>
>
>
>
> Gordon B. Hinckley, "Stand True and Faithful," Ensign, May 1996, 91
> "I urge each of you young women to get all of the scho
Gordon B. Hinckley, "Women of the Church," Ensign, Nov. 1996, 67
"Some years ago President Benson delivered a message to the women of the
Church. He encouraged them to leave their employment and give their
individual time to their children. I sustain the position which he took.
NEVERTHLESS, I recog
Gordon B. Hinckley, "Stand True and Faithful," Ensign, May 1996, 91
"I urge each of you young women to get all of the schooling you can get.
You will need it for the world into which you will move. Life is becoming
so exceedingly competitive. Experts say that the average man or woman,
during his
"Excerpts from Recent Addresses of President Gordon B. Hinckley," Ensign,
Dec. 1995, 66
"In this age when more and more women are TURNING TO DAILY WORK, how
tremendous it is, once in a while, to stop and recognize that the
greatest service that any woman will ever perform will be in nurturing,
tea
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