[ZION] The Descent of Man

2003-11-13 Thread John W. Redelfs
If God is a man, and he existed before the world, and he created the world, how could mankind have evolved on this planet? I mean, how did God become a man? // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://

Re: [ZION] Starts with G "Gap"

2003-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 01:24 AM 11/13/2003 +, Uncle Tom, the Gapper wrote: Usually one is disturbed by widening gaps and happier about narrowing gaps. But sometimes it's the other way around. Till has been ever mindful of the widening gap between those who choose good and those who choose evil. /

Re: [ZION] Old Jeeps

2003-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:17 PM 11/12/2003 -0500, Grampa Bill wrote: Grampa Bill comments: Not likely. Early Alzheimers predominently afftects short term memory... not interesting life memories that happened years ago. They say that as you age, your memory is the second thing to go. Unfortunately, I can't rem

RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

2003-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:58 PM 11/12/2003 -0700, Sir Lew wrote: At 01:16 PM 11/12/2003, you wrote: Once Satan is loosed, he will gather an army from amongst those still living upon the earth. However, it will not be anywhere near the numbers he has already taken with him. In a world populated with 10 billion people

[ZION] Punch their lights out

2003-11-13 Thread Gerald Smith
Ron, And yet it is the ACLU that has pushed for access on the sidewalks around Temple Square. Interesting that their disgust motivates the ACLU into pushing for even more disgusting civil liberties, eh? I'm all for freedom of speech, but I also believe that personal property rights need to be

[ZION] The Descent of Man

2003-11-13 Thread Gerald Smith
John, Now you are just going to have to accept the fact that some things have not been revealed yet. We can only speculate on the descent of man, whether there was an evolution involved or not. My speculation is that the scriptures were written on a personal/lineage history level. In the curre

RE: [ZION] The Descent of Man

2003-11-13 Thread RB Scott
> -Original Message- > From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:33 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [ZION] The Descent of Man > > > If God is a man, and he existed before the world, and he created > the world, > how could mankind have evol

RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out

2003-11-13 Thread RB Scott
> -Original Message- > From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 7:24 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [ZION] Punch their lights out > Ron, > And yet it is the ACLU that has pushed for access on the > sidewalks around Temple Square. Interestin

RE: [ZION] Punch Their Lights Out

2003-11-13 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 03:18 PM 11/12/2003, RBS wrote: been interesting. A high school classmate of mine, an ACLU lawyer, Apparently your friend is not aware of the ACLU's origins: http://www.geocities.com/graymada/aclu.html Which explains a great deal about the issues the ACLU chooses to get involved with. --

RE: [ZION] Old Jeeps

2003-11-13 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 07:40 PM 11/12/2003, John English wrote: going to make a movie in the desert. I took my dad's old IH pickup out in the desert - to Kilborne's hole and it broke down in the hole. I think that was your first mistake--putting your faith and trust in a cornbinder . The absolutely worst truck I ev

RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out

2003-11-13 Thread RB Scott
RE: Punch Their Lights OutSteven Montgomery Nov 13, 2003 06:51 PST At 03:18 PM 11/12/2003, RBS wrote: been interesting. A high school classmate of mine, an ACLU lawyer, Apparently your friend is not aware of the ACLU's origins: http://www.geocities.com/graymada/aclu.html< Aha, more ha

RE: [ZION] The Descent of Man

2003-11-13 Thread RB Scott
Gary: Interesting speculation and observations. I have long believed that Book of Moses provides the most comprehensive and broad scriptural presentation we have as to how God went about creating the worlds. It provides a account that is quite instructive generally. Moreover, it seems to suggest

RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

2003-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:11 AM 11/13/2003 -0500, Uncle Ron wrote: Cool your fighting blood and freshen your synapses, Till. If Brother McConkie is right this will obviously be a war of words -- of good thinking/doing prevailing over evil. Otherwise, s'plain to me how one would go about slaying the a spirit, or on

RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

2003-11-13 Thread Gerald Smith
Personally, I think it will start as a war of words, then move on to violence. The wicked will not prevail, but that doesn't mean they don't make their attempts. For example, what is the logic in suicide/homicide bombing? Yes, you create terror, but you often lose more people than you take out.

RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

2003-11-13 Thread John W. Redelfs
RB Scott wrote: Cool your fighting blood and freshen your synapses, Till. If Brother McConkie is right this will obviously be a war of words -- of good thinking/doing prevailing over evil. Otherwise, s'plain to me how one would go about slaying the a spirit, or one of the Three Nephites, for

RE: [ZION] Old Jeeps

2003-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 07:58 AM 11/13/2003 -0700, St Steven wrote: I think that was your first mistake--putting your faith and trust in a cornbinder . The absolutely worst truck I ever drove (It belonged to my dad, and he owned several trucks for his business) was a 1971 IH pickup. Gutless, always breaking down, m

RE: [ZION] President Benson As Icon of The Right (Was: Punch their...)

2003-11-13 Thread RB Scott
> -Original Message- > From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:52 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ZION] Punch Their Lights Out > > Apparently your friend is not aware of the ACLU's origins: > > http://www.geocities.com/graymada/a

RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

2003-11-13 Thread RB Scott
> -Original Message- > From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:26 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition > > > RB Scott wrote: > >Cool your fighting blood and freshen your synapses, Till. If Brother > >McConkie

[ZION] Starts with G "grout, grains and glue"

2003-11-13 Thread Tom Matkin
Ah - the joy of levels of meaning in a parable about grout, grains of sand and glue. Sonnet III by Tom Matkin - July 19, 2001 When setting tile and filling in the grout To wipe away each extra grain of sand And clean inevitable messes out I always keep a dampish rag on hand. I've found that t

RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

2003-11-13 Thread RB Scott
> -Original Message- > From: Elmer L. Fairbank [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 7:21 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition > > > At 10:58 PM 11/12/2003 -0700, Sir Lew wrote: > >At 01:16 PM 11/12/2003, you wrote: > > > >>Once Satan

RE: [ZION] The Descent of Man

2003-11-13 Thread Stacy Smith
I guess I often thought about the differences between the account of the creation in the Book of Moses and the Book of Abraham. I think the one in Abraham is far more detailed. Stacy. At 09:44 AM 11/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: Gary: Interesting speculation and observations. I have long believ

RE: [ZION] The Descent of Man

2003-11-13 Thread RB Scott
Actually, I erred. Moses is good, Abraham is better. > -Original Message- > From: Stacy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:27 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ZION] The Descent of Man > > > I guess I often thought about the differences betwe

RE: [ZION] "Mother" Teresa

2003-11-13 Thread Stacy Smith
The two most Christlike individuals I can say that I knew intimately, ah, one is dead and the other one I lost contact with. They were the first to fellowship me in my ward. Stacy. At 04:07 PM 11/12/2003 -0900, you wrote: I grew up outside the Church and met a number of good, honorable, even

RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

2003-11-13 Thread Lew Thomas
At 07:11 AM 11/13/2003, you wrote: Cool your fighting blood and freshen your synapses, Till. If Brother McConkie is right this will obviously be a war of words -- of good thinking/doing prevailing over evil. Otherwise, s'plain to me how one would go about slaying the a spirit, or one of the Thr

[ZION] CORRECTION: Punch their lights out

2003-11-13 Thread RB Scott
Resend, correcting some errors, for which I apologize. -Original Message- From: Ron Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out > -Original Message- > From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAI

RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

2003-11-13 Thread RB Scott
> -Original Message- > From: Lew Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:16 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition > > > At 07:11 AM 11/13/2003, you wrote: > > > >Cool your fighting blood and freshen your synapses, Till. If B

RE: [ZION] The Descent of Man

2003-11-13 Thread Stacy Smith
Semantics, semantics. "Better" is probably not appropriate, just more detailed and less detailed. Stacy. At 12:31 PM 11/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: Actually, I erred. Moses is good, Abraham is better. -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

RE: [ZION] The Descent of Man

2003-11-13 Thread RB Scott
Whatever. > -Original Message- > From: Stacy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:50 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ZION] The Descent of Man > > > Semantics, semantics. "Better" is probably not appropriate, just more > detailed and less det

RE: [ZION] President Benson As Icon of The Right (Was: Punch their...)

2003-11-13 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 09:56 AM 11/13/2003, RBS (Or is that just plain BS ) wrote: Because you write well, Steven, I assume you're a reasonably bright guy. But, when I read you web site practically the only prophet you cite is Ezra Taft Benson. I don't agree with President Benson's politics, but I do believe he was

RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out

2003-11-13 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 08:25 AM 11/13/2003, you wrote: RE: Punch Their Lights OutSteven Montgomery Nov 13, 2003 06:51 PST At 03:18 PM 11/12/2003, RBS wrote: been interesting. A high school classmate of mine, an ACLU lawyer, Apparently your friend is not aware of the ACLU's origins: http://www.geocities.com

RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out

2003-11-13 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 08:25 AM 11/13/2003, RB Scott wrote: >Which explains a great deal about the issues the ACLU chooses to get involved with.< And the examples you have in mind would be? Well, if I have to point them out to you it wouldn't do any good anyway. You already have your mind made up. Most reasonable p

RE: [ZION] President Benson As Icon of The Right (Was: Punch their...)

2003-11-13 Thread RB Scott
If you talked to my mother, she'd tell you that my initials are B.S. That's because I went by my middle name through grade school. As for your non-response...well, what more can I say . B.S. > -Original Message- > From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, Novembe

RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out

2003-11-13 Thread RB Scott
> -Original Message- > From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:08 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out > > > At 08:25 AM 11/13/2003, RB Scott wrote: > > > > >Which explains a great deal about the issues the

RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out

2003-11-13 Thread RB Scott
> -Original Message- > From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:48 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out > > > At 08:25 AM 11/13/2003, you wrote: > > >RE: Punch Their Lights OutSteven Montgomery > > Nov

RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out

2003-11-13 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 01:35 PM 11/13/2003, you wrote: > -Original Message- > From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:08 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out > > > At 08:25 AM 11/13/2003, RB Scott wrote: > > > > >Which explain

RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out

2003-11-13 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 01:54 PM 11/13/2003, Ron Scott wrote: Where, in your opinion, is the "communist" threat today. And, please don't post reams of stuff I've read before. Tell me what YOU think. Ron Scott I will, when I have the time (Had to take my wife down to St. George this morning, and right now I'm presen

RE: [ZION] President Benson As Icon of The Right (Was: Punch their...)

2003-11-13 Thread Stacy Smith
zI confess I'm worried on these accounts. Stacy. At 12:56 PM 11/13/2003 -0700, you wrote: At 09:56 AM 11/13/2003, RBS (Or is that just plain BS ) wrote: Because you write well, Steven, I assume you're a reasonably bright guy. But, when I read you web site practically the only prophet you cite

Re: [ZION] THE AMERICAN RELIGION by Harold Bloom

2003-11-13 Thread Jon Spencer
And I believe that as we grow in power and influence, that we will be feared by others, just as in Nauvoo, and attacked. The more we humble ourselves before the Lord, the better we will be able to resist these attacks, but they will come. Jon Stacy Smith wrote: > I think that we will grow in p

Re: [ZION] "Mother" Teresa

2003-11-13 Thread Jon Spencer
John W. Redelfs wrote: > But that is just anecdotal. --JWR I don't know Ann, but I know her brother, Tom Scrotal. And he says that she, indeed, is often just that. Noj // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at ///

Re: [ZION] The Descent of Man

2003-11-13 Thread Jon Spencer
John W. Redelfs" wrote: > If God is a man, and he existed before the world, and he created the world, > how could mankind have evolved on this planet? I mean, how did God become > a man? I don't get your question, John. Perhaps I missed some context. We know that there are millions of worlds on

[ZION] Does anyone know?

2003-11-13 Thread Cousin Bill
Attempt to start new thread #4? (B (BDoes anyone here even know that the World Cup volleyball (Btournament is being held? Here in Japan it's hard to find much (Belse on TV right now. Seems quite silly. I mean, it isn't like (Bwe're talking about a real sport like football (the real kind, (

Re: [ZION] "Mother" Teresa

2003-11-13 Thread Jon Spencer
What in the world happened? I know that I typed Tom's name as "Tom Ecdotal", because my spell checker complained and I told it to leave it. Hmmm - maybe I clicked the wrong button. Oh well Noj - Original Message - From: "Jon Spencer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent

[ZION] Soccer Rules!

2003-11-13 Thread John W. Redelfs
Cousin Bill wrote: Does anyone here even know that the World Cup volleyball tournament is being held? Here in Japan it's hard to find much else on TV right now. Seems quite silly. I mean, it isn't like we're talking about a real sport like football (the real kind, not that whimpy game more co

Re: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

2003-11-13 Thread Jon Spencer
If this were lds-poll, I would say that there was a third hell, something about Mass. and one of their Senators. Jon - Original Message - From: "Gerald Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:26 AM Subject: [ZION] Sons of Perdition > > The

RE: [ZION] President Benson As Icon of The Right (Was: Punch their...)

2003-11-13 Thread RB Scott
Ah, a sensible, thinking person. And, you should be concerned, Stacy. > -Original Message- > From: Stacy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:08 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ZION] President Benson As Icon of The Right (Was: Punch > their...) >

RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out

2003-11-13 Thread RB Scott
> -Original Message- > From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:03 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out > > > At 01:35 PM 11/13/2003, you wrote: > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Steven Montgo

RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

2003-11-13 Thread RB Scott
Really? No nice guy, Teddy. But would you be if you'd lost three brothers prematurely, violently? > -Original Message- > From: Jon Spencer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 7:58 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [ZION] Sons of Perdition > > > If this wer

Re: [ZION] Soccer Rules!

2003-11-13 Thread Cousin Bill
From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't feel the way you do about football, soccer and baseball. Professional football in this country cannot be played by ordinary people. They have to be giants. It is the same way with basketball: the best players are virtually freaks. But normal s

RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out

2003-11-13 Thread RB Scott
> -Original Message- > From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:11 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ZION] Punch their lights out > > > At 01:54 PM 11/13/2003, Ron Scott wrote: > > >Where, in your opinion, is the "communist" threat t

Re: [ZION] Soccer Rules!

2003-11-13 Thread Rusty Taylor
Soccer in my personal opinion requires a lot more of everything than almost any other sport, and with all due respect to foot ball fans, there is no comparison between the two in terms of the physical and mental demands-- soccer wins easily; foot ball-- the players get to take all sorts of break