RE: [Zope-dev] How should an ideal Zope IDE look like?

2004-04-24 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I am aware that I am adding another 2-3 man years to the wishlist, but here are some ideas I had lately: A Zope IDE should be much more than just a programming IDE adapted offer highlighting etc. for Zope's languages. It should be an RAD tool similar to what MS Access does for database

Re: Zope3, CMS, IDEs (was: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?)

2004-04-22 Thread Joachim Werner
nobody will ever convince me that the CMF => Plone way was the right way to go ... Well, different people, different tastes ;-) Cheers Joachim iuveno AG Joachim Werner _ Wittelsbacherstr. 23b 90475 Nürnberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.iuveno-net.de Tel.: +

Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Joachim Werner
m ** A final question that is mainly aimed at the ZC people: What is the competition you are positioning Zope 3 against? I've never seen an answer to that quite important question ... -- iuveno AG Joachim Werner Wittelsbacherstr. 23b 90475 Nürnberg Tel.: +49 (0) 911 9883 984 E-Mail: [EMAI

[Zope-dev] Using the error log

2003-12-13 Thread Joachim Werner
e it in my application? Is there any written documentation on how to hook up the error log? Cheers Joachim -- iuveno AG Joachim Werner Wittelsbacherstr. 23b 90475 Nürnberg Tel.: +49 (0) 911 9883 984 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.iuveno.de __

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.7 Timeline

2003-08-27 Thread Joachim Werner
Chris McDonough wrote: 2.7.0b2 was released yesterday with both of these bugs fixed. Is that soon enough? ;-) Yes it is ;-) Sorry, I didn't check before ... ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev **

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.7 Timeline

2003-08-27 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! WRT the Zope 2.7 timeline: Couldn't we just get a new beta that includes the most critical bug fixes very soon? If 2.7 doesn't get deployed on "almost production" systems there will not be too much further testing I guess. And currently most non-experts will not even be able to get a Zope

Re: [Zope-dev] How (in)secure is Zope?

2003-03-13 Thread Joachim Werner
mechanisms, secure SQL database access, very sophisticated internal security model), but Zope is not a firewall. If you don't take care there is some chance of DOS attacks. On the other hand I am quite positive that Zope is very secure in terms of prevent

[Zope-dev] Pydoc and Zope

2003-03-11 Thread Joachim Werner
ter way of browsing the source code? Cheers Joachim -- iuveno AG Joachim Werner _ Wittelsbacherstr. 23b 90475 Nürnberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.iuveno.de Tel.: +49 (0) 911/ 9 88 39 84 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTE

[Zope-dev] "Fuzziness" in tracebacks ...

2003-03-10 Thread Joachim Werner
s an error calling a variable or so. Errors in the ZPT syntax and some runtime errors are raised properly, but others just cause a white page to be rendered, which is very hard to debug without using a debugger. Joachim -- iuveno AG Joachim Werner _ Wittelsbacherstr. 23b 9047

Re: [Zope-dev] implementing structured text alternative w/in Zope

2003-03-07 Thread Joachim Werner
Toby Bologna schrieb: Hi, I'm a programmer but new to Zope. I'm developing a text markup language like Structured Text that better suits my needs outside the Zope/Python world. Would I be able to incorporate it within Zope, i.e., so I could edit the new format in the edit window and have it displa

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Vote] PEP308 voting began

2003-03-06 Thread Joachim Werner
(Tested with ) There are an awful lot of colons in there :-) Indeed ... Here's an off-the-wall idea: This looks better as a tal:tag Or, if you only use this kind of thing with tal:replace, tal:content and tal:define. Of course, none of this helps for tal:attributes. If I understood

Re: [Zope-dev] Offtopic: it's vs. its

2003-02-21 Thread Joachim Werner
http://david.tribble.com/text/misspell.htm Could we add that to the Zope 3 styleguide? ;-) -- iuveno AG Joachim Werner _ Wittelsbacherstr. 23b 90475 Nürnberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.iuveno.de Tel.: +49 (0) 911/ 9 88 39 84 ___ Zope

Re: [Zope-dev] [BUG] Quadratic ZODB bloat caused by "PathIndex"

2003-02-21 Thread Joachim Werner
Andreas Jung schrieb: --On Donnerstag, 20. Februar 2003 08:05 +0100 Dieter Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Zope 2.5.1 A "PathIndex" maps (pathsegment,level) onto the "IISet" of document ids with "pathsegment" at "level" in their path. An "IISet" is a single persistent object, written as a

Re: [Zope-dev] Security-Problem

2003-02-18 Thread Joachim Werner
ts whose owner is gone you get into trouble. So there are probably two solutions: a) DO NOT delete the owner b) Let somebody else take over the ownership -- iuveno AG Joachim Werner _ Wittelsbacherstr. 23b 90475 Nürnberg [EMAIL

Re: [Zope-dev] [Bug] Zope's transaction behaviour flawed

2003-02-03 Thread Joachim Werner
s patched for Zope 2.6.1 final? At least as an option that can be activated when needed? -- iuveno AG Joachim Werner _ Wittelsbacherstr. 23b 90475 Nürnberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.iuveno.de Tel.: +49 (0) 911/ 9 88 39 84 ___ Zope-Dev

Re: [Zope-dev] 2.6.1b2?

2003-01-23 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi, I'd just like to know when can we expect a 2.6.1b2. It would be nice to have a new release where we don't have to patch just to get ZClasses to work. Yes, it IS indeed a problem if there is no single Zope version out there that can be used without patches. 2.6.0 has the DateTime bug, the 2

Re: [Zope-dev] HTTP content negotiation-- has anyone tried this in Zope?

2002-11-13 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! We've talked a lot about that when we discussed Zope I18N some time ago. Most of this is relatively easy to accomplish even now. Regarding language negotiation: Both Localizer and ZBabel do this. The problem in my practical experience is that most people do not configure their browsers correc

[Zope-dev] Strange bug (NOT a Zope bug!) when exporting Zope objects on Windows with Norton Personal Firewall running ...

2002-11-13 Thread Joachim Werner
or Antivirus software (we think it is the Firewall) seem to parse the code (regardless whether you do a zexp or xml export) and replace characters ... The funny thing is that this seems to happen even if the Zope server runs locally! Cheers Joachim ___________

[Zope-dev] Strange bug (NOT a Zope bug!) when exporting Zope objects on Windows with Norton Personal Firewall running ...

2002-11-13 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I just encountered a very strange bug: One of our clients had problems with exporting and importing his stuff from his local machine to our servers. What happened was that lines like became "> and ___ Joachim Werner iuveno AG Wittelsbacherst

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: What catalog/index to use ...

2002-11-09 Thread Joachim Werner
> I must've missed the start of this thread (I only just signed up for > this list). I didn't see any patch -- I thought it was just a gripe > about ZCTextIndex. Of course patches are welcome -- where can I find > this particular patch? Hi Guido! I don't know where you would expect a patch to b

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: What catalog/index to use ...

2002-11-09 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! > Please note that former Zope versions already include a dedicated > unicode-aware > splitter that is already usable with the old TextIndex and maybe with > ZCTextIndex. > TextIndexNG resolves all these issues by doing the complete internal > processing by > converting the data into unicode.

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: What catalog/index to use ...

2002-11-08 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Some additional remarks: While making the splitting dependent on the locale settings (as done in the old TextIndex) helps with most use cases, I'm not sure if that is the right thing to do in the long run. Locale settings are good for client software, i.e. if you want to have a program behave

[Zope-dev] What catalog/index to use ...

2002-11-07 Thread Joachim Werner
ex be replaced by TextIndexNG? Does it make sense to get ZCTextIndex fixed (there seems to be a patch in the collector already) or should I go with TextIndexNG? If yes, is it ready for production environments? Cheers Joachim _____ Joachim Werner iuveno AG Wittelsbacherstraße 23b

[Zope-dev] Unicode Support in 2.6 -- background infos?

2002-11-04 Thread Joachim Werner
heers Joachim ___ Joachim Werner iuveno AG Wittelsbacherstraße 23b 90475 Nürnberg Tel. +49 (0) 911 / 988398-4 Fax +49 (0) 911 / 988398-5 Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.iuveno.de ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [

[Zope-dev] Strange "Bug" in Scripts (Python) and Python code ...

2002-10-22 Thread Joachim Werner
thon). But I'd guess that code fragments in Scripts (Python) should be save enough to not blow the server. Other memory-intensive potentially malicious code like infinite recursions are handled well after all. Any comments? _______ Joachim Werner iuveno AG Wittelsbacher

Re: [Zope-dev] 2.6.1 Plan?

2002-10-21 Thread Joachim Werner
> For sanity's sake, 2.6.x is now the current maintenance branch, not the > place to put new features. New features should only go into 2.7. We > need to get out of the hotfixes business. Adherence to strict rules is > the right way to get there. And just for the record: The bad old Zope tradi

Re: [Zope-dev] This was fun!!!

2002-10-15 Thread Joachim Werner
I won't look into the DTML Parser code right now. Don't need no headache ;-) But this is my first guess: > > DTML looks at "getEasyLanguageService" and does an implicit "getEasyLanguageService()". So now "getEasyLanguageService" (as an attribute in the DTML namespace) represents the actual ser

[Zope-dev] Multiple entries in the Index menu ... (Zope 2.6.1 b1)

2002-10-08 Thread Joachim Werner
Hello! I am getting multiple identical entries in the Add menu of the indexes page of my ZCatalogs with Zope 2.6.1 b1. Is it just me? Could be a minor bug with filtering the all_meta_types or filtered_meta_types ... Joachim ___ Zope-Dev maillist -

Re: [Zope-dev] http://cvs.zope.org/Products/Scheduler vs Xron for cron-like functionality. Advice?

2002-10-05 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! OT: I am going to switch to some other mail client soon. It's unbelievable that Outlook Express still doesn't do the ">" thing right :-( >- Xron just runs on one server, e.g. the one that is on the fastest machine; >this is useful for cases where you need the events to be executed on the >sa

Re: [Zope-dev] http://cvs.zope.org/Products/Scheduler vs Xron for cron-like functionality. Advice?

2002-10-05 Thread Joachim Werner
> Hi All, > I'm interested in starting to maintain Xron, if it has potential to be a > stable products. > From the code it doesn't seem to do any strange things, but I would > like to know if anybody has experience of using it in a production > environment, or any other experiences and that would

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: zdaemon fix

2002-10-05 Thread Joachim Werner
> While we're improving zdaemon, I have two other suggestions: > > - Use grown-up language in log messages rather than "Aiieee!" and > "Houston, we have forked" I think you are right, but from an emotional point of view, I'll be missing "Houston" very much. This kind of stuff gave Zope a person

Re: [Zope-dev] Plone/Metadata/FUD

2002-10-03 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I could comment for hours on the postings in this thread (after rereading what I've just written below I actually did ;-)). But let me just take this to say what is most important to me: > In the world of Zope 3, this distinction will be even more clear. Zope > 2 unfortunately tried too muc

Re: [Zope-dev] [ZOPE 2.6 B1] Unicode/locale problems with OFS/dtml/properties.dtml

2002-09-27 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I have tracked down the problem with Collector issue 517 (Unicode problems) now: My Product used a modified manage_page_header that did not set the meta header for the encoding. After copying the relevant lines from the new manage_page_header in Zope 2.6 everything works fine, except for one

[Zope-dev] error_log buggy?

2002-09-27 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! The UTF-8 errors I am getting because of the unicode problems in Zope 2.6b1 (see Collector issue 517) are not logged in the new error log, which means that there is no way of easily getting the traceback information AFAIK. Is that a feature or a bug? Joachim

Re: [Zope-dev] [ZOPE 2.6 B1] Unicode/locale problems with OFS/dtml/properties.dtml

2002-09-26 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Some time ago I filed this issue as a 2.6a1 bug (http://collector.zope.org/Zope/517), only that it was German characters with me ... The browsers I was using where IE 6.0 (which led to errors storing property sheets and could not display some of the propertysheets correctly) and Mozilla, whi

Re: [Zope-dev] Coroner's toolkit for zope, or how to figure out what went wrong.

2002-08-12 Thread Joachim Werner
, i.e. run fstest.py and/or fsrecover.py? It's quite unlikely that you'd loose a whole tree, as the data is not physically stored in trees, but added sequentially. You might have deleted a tree, but that can be rolled back by getting rid of the ZODB transaction that did the delete. Cheers

[Zope-dev] Corrupt Data.fs: Is there a way of fixing transaction ids?

2002-08-03 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I have a really large Data.fs file (1.3 GB) that has a number of errors. When I run the fstest.py script, I get this: Problem: 109963117 object serialno 0x034573c4b6a2cb6e does not match transaction id 0x034573c55c8c0dbb How can I fix the Data.fs file? It should be possible to scan the Data

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope hangs, with processes being idle ... (rather urgent problem)

2002-08-01 Thread Joachim Werner
> > I have a Zope 2.5.1 using ZEO on Linux, with Apache as proxy server. The two > > ZEO clients run fine for a couple of hours, and then suddenly one of them > > stops responding. It's the type of Zope hangs when all processes are fine, > > but ZServer just doesn't respond (load is very low,

[Zope-dev] Zope hangs, with processes being idle ... (rather urgent problem)

2002-07-31 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I have a Zope 2.5.1 using ZEO on Linux, with Apache as proxy server. The two ZEO clients run fine for a couple of hours, and then suddenly one of them stops responding. It's the type of Zope hangs when all processes are fine, but ZServer just doesn't respond (load is very low, with the CPU 90

[Zope-dev] Massive Problems with sessions

2002-07-21 Thread Joachim Werner
Hello! Suddenly I am getting massive problems with Zope 2.5.1 sessions. The Zope instance was upgraded from 2.5.0 to 2.5.1 and has a lot more load now as it is in production. Nothing else has changed I guess. The problems: Frequent "duplicate key errors", and now a new one when I try to enter t

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-CMF] i18n for CMF And Plone, backporting i18n to Zope 2.x

2002-07-02 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! > Barry A. Warsaw writes: > > concerns. After talking with Fred, I came to understand that much of > > the code's current obscurity is due to optimizations to make TAL > > perform at least as fast as DTML. > > Well, faster than it used to. We need to spend time on performance. Indeed. A

Re: [Zope-dev] Wrong length for http requests!

2002-06-07 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I finally got it: It's not Zope that causes any trouble, it's ab. It seems to expect identical sizes for the pages retrieved. What I checked was commit a change to a test page (which was absolutely static) in the middle of an ab run. The result was almost 55% "failed requests" ... Cheers J

Re: [Zope-dev] Wrong length for http requests!

2002-06-07 Thread Joachim Werner
- Original Message - From: "Joachim Werner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Andreas Jung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Wrong length for http requests! > Hi! > > I tried with more verbosity. The r

[Zope-dev] Wrong length for http requests!

2002-06-07 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I am getting the following results from an ab (Apache benchmark) run against a Zope site: Concurrency Level: 20 Time taken for tests: 11.862 seconds Complete requests: 40 Failed requests:23 (Connect: 0, Length: 23, Exceptions: 0) Total transferred: 1517831 bytes H

Re: [Zope-dev] Ordered Folder (was: Speaking of 2.6...)

2002-04-23 Thread Joachim Werner
OrderedFolder is not about having an ordered default view in the management interface. The point is that people want to build menus or web pages that consist of several objects in a folder, using objectValues()/objectIds(). Without OrderedFolder or a similar approach it is very hard to position ob

Re: [Zope-dev] Why are ZClasses bad?

2002-04-03 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I guess ZClasses are not "evil" or so. But as somebody who has worked with ZClasses for a long time and then switched to Python Products instead, I see a lot of problems/disadvantages ZClasses have: - Most important: It is rather hard to change the base classes with ZClasses. In Python, you

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-06 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! > That is Stephan's product, not mine, and it *may* have some issues in > certain OS distributions (based on my experiences and another user's). So, > it cannot be added itself without some work--further testing work if nothing > else. What kind of problems does OrderedFolder have? There is

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.6 project updated

2002-03-06 Thread Joachim Werner
> I don't know OrderedFolder very well but it'd be very useful in several > of my projects, so I can volunteer a bit of time in helping to get it > in Zope 2.6 as well. Hi Martijn! If you do so, please check with me for the newest version of Ordered Folder. I have added a few features to Ordere

Re: [Zope-dev] ZMI textareas on Windows IE6 are '100%+' wide, cause scrolling inconvenience

2002-02-09 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I think the problem is more severe. IE 6 has obviously changed behaviour compared to IE 5.5. I'd call it a bug. It now always calculates "100%" with the right-hand bar's width INCLUDED, so there are other side-effects than the one you are describing, like the last tab on the right being parti

[Zope-dev] Benchmarks: DTML vs. ZPT?

2002-02-06 Thread Joachim Werner
Hello! Has anyone done any performance comparisons between DTML and ZPT yet? The reason I'm asking is that we did some first(completely unscientific) tests and had the impression that ZPT were actually quite a bit SLOWER than DTML - and I just can't believe that ... Joachim ___

[Zope-dev] hiding tabs in manage view

2002-02-05 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I remember that someone posted that question before, but I didn't find it. So here it is again: In the latest Zope versions, if a user has no rights to see a certain management tab in the ZMI, it is shown anyway. If he clicks on it, he'll get an authentication request, so the method behind t

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Temporary Storage + Sessions + Versions: How?

2002-01-14 Thread Joachim Werner
I have a slight correction to make (which doesn't change the message of this posting): > - As the new sessioning code seems to be working within the transaction > machinery, the SESSION.set action causes the mere display of an index_html > page (that includes a session initialization method) to b

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Temporary Storage + Sessions + Versions: How?

2002-01-14 Thread Joachim Werner
let me state what I think is a fact: As of Zope 2.5 b3, you can either use versions OR sessions. If you try to combine them, you'll get into big trouble. This is a major bug, right? Cheers Joachim - Original Message - From: "Chris McDonough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: &q

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Temporary Storage + Sessions + Versions: How?

2002-01-14 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Thanks for the hint. I'll try using a versioning storage, though it might be rather inefficient I guess? > > As the Temporary Storage is incompatible with versions, it seems to > me that > > I can not at all use any session manipulating code in a method that > might be > > > called under

[Zope-dev] Temporary Storage + Sessions + Versions: How?

2002-01-14 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I have a problem concerning using versions and sessions together in Zope 2.5 beta 3: As the Temporary Storage is incompatible with versions, it seems to me that I can not at all use any session manipulating code in a method that might be called under version control. This is very disturbing

Re: [Zope-dev] PDF-specific Bug in the ZServer implementation??? Or just strange behavoiur of IE?

2002-01-07 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Just to answer my own question and complete the mail archive: If you have problems with downloads that make use of the HTTP range functionality (e.g. with the latest Acrobat Reader in MS IE), Zope 2.5 fixes the problem (for me). ___ Zope-Dev ma

Re: [Zope-dev] PDF-specific Bug in the ZServer implementation??? Or just strange behavoiur of IE?

2002-01-07 Thread Joachim Werner
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Casey Duncan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Joachim Werner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] PDF-specific Bug in the ZServer implementation??? Or just strange behavoiu

[Zope-dev] PDF-specific Bug in the ZServer implementation??? Or just strange behavoiur of IE?

2002-01-07 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! This is my first post in the new year, so best wishes for 2002 from Germany! And on we go with my problem: I have a ZClass-based Class derived from File. It holds PDF documents. SOME (not all) of them do not auto-open in Acrobat Reader as they are supposed to if MS IE 5.x is used. Opera etc

[Zope-dev] Strange error message: "function attributes not accessible in restricted mode"

2001-12-19 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I have two Zope 2.5 b2 installations on two seemingly identical machines, both with PostgreSQL, ZPsyCopDA, and DBObjects. In the DBObjects demo, I am getting THIS (see below) on one of the machines (the one with the slightly older installation). Very strange for me. What the hell is "restric

Re: [Zope-dev] Precompiled binaries for Linux? (SuSE)

2001-12-19 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I finally managed to compile that beast. So I'll probably be the one to post binaries ASAP ... - Original Message - From: "Joachim Werner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 9:37 P

Re: [Zope-dev] OpenOffice and Zope ??

2001-12-19 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I don't have the resources to start something like that NOW, but I'd really like to see work on an OpenOffice integration: > has anybody integrated/plans on intragration/experimented with > OpenOffice and Zope ? YES. > - OpenOffice as a HTML Editor / Web-Frontend for Zope I don't like tha

[Zope-dev] Precompiled binaries for Linux? (SuSE)

2001-12-19 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I have tried to compile psycopg on a SuSE Linux 7.0 system, but it I simply cannot get it done. Do you have some precompiled binaries you could post? Thanks a lot in advance! Joachim Werner ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [Zope-dev] ZBabel Object incompatibility with Zope 2.5 b2

2001-12-11 Thread Joachim Werner
Doesn't seem to make any difference :-( What does that option do? > > > >class Rewrapper(Base): > > > >def __init__(self, path): > >self._path = path > > > >def __of__(self, parent): > >ob = parent > >for p in self._path: > >ob = getattr(ob, p) <= H

[Zope-dev] ZBabel Object incompatibility with Zope 2.5 b2

2001-12-11 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! This time I need some specialists to help ... Here is some code from ZBabel Objects. ZBabel objects are folders that hold localized versions of anything you want to internationalize and pass getting attributes and calling objects to one of these localized versions depending on your language

Re: [Zope-dev] Catalog wierdness ...

2001-12-05 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! > This isn't a Catalog error, it's a ZODB error. It appears that your > ZODB data has beome inconsistent. You might want to try to run > fsrecover.py against it after making a backup to see if it detects any > errors. I don't think so: - fsrecover doesn't find anything - the error occurs

[Zope-dev] Catalog wierdness ...

2001-12-05 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Any ZCatalog experts out there? I am suddenly getting this with a ZCatalog (it is actually a subclassed version of the ZCatalog, almost a one-to-one copy of the CMF Catalog tool): -- Zope Error Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. Error Type: KeyError Error Va

Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process

2001-12-03 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi Martijn! Formulator is a good case how things can work. You did the main design work on your own. And that was very good. Then we had the chance to contribute ideas for new fields etc. I now have my own FormulatorExtensions product with stuff I could imagine being part of Formulator as soon as

Re: [Zope-dev] my comments on i18n

2001-12-03 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Just a very short comment: > As Paul said in the Paris meeting and as Joachim W. has > stated in a previous mail, one thing we can work on is in > a common way to get translations from message catalogs, from > Python code and DTML and ZPT templates. exactly > Don't matters where the messag

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-01 Thread Joachim Werner
> Of course there are hot spots. I have asked multiple times for help on the > mailing > lists and the Eurozope site to identify such related hot spots. > Also I had expect some input of the community regarding at unicode support > inside Zope. But there has been no feedback. It looks like no one

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-01 Thread Joachim Werner
> The second is pretty exciting as well. I saw a presentation in Paris by > Juan David Palomar, of Localizer fame. (The presentation is now up at > http://estce.act.uji.es:9673/localizer). The presentation impressed me > on the need to get someone into the core of Zope that knows all these > de

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-01 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! > > This is a totally different business model than the one Zope Corp. is using > > right now, but it might help refinancing the overhead a good community needs > > to have ... > > > Would it have to be done by ZC? No, of course not. And there could be more than one of course (though we'd n

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Fishbowl?

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
> When we first opened the fishbowl, it was with the certainty that we > wouldn't get it right immediately. That's why we went with the intentially > low-tech approach of a pile of Wikis. That first step actually worked > pretty well for a while until we hit critical-Wiki-mass and there were > sud

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
> Where's the $99 version of Zope? The $499? The $1499? The > $25999? Zope Corp hasn't pulled that card out like many other > vendors have. There are actually many pieces of Zope that were > initially commercial add-ons (or intended to be) that are now all > open source. I sometimes have the

Re: [Zope-dev] (SHOUT) NOTIFICATION!!!!

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
> I think there's another problem here: possibly the community isn't > large enough yet. There's already been a discussion on zope-coders > about how little those with commit priviledges are actually > committing, and the main reason is simply that no-one has enough > time. This might be a bit s

Re: [Zope-dev] (SHOUT) NOTIFICATION!!!!

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
> Notification, which bugzilla offers, MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE!! > Email notification is good enough, if I want that to beep my cellphone, I just > send it to me genie.co.uk email address... Yet another comment: That translates to "We finally need MAILMAN integration into Zope!" I mean,

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Fishbowl?

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
> IMO, Bugzilla won't fix these kinds of problems. I think the first step > is to refine what we have while finding better ways to work together. We definitely need a ZOPE-based approach. What I really don't get is this: We all seem to be building Zope-based systems for communities, public adm

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi Paul! > I don't want to replace one group of people with a busy agenda with > another group of people with a busy agenda. We need a small group of > people that are willing to make a long-term commitment to > responsibility. These people can then tap into others that can commit > on an as-ne

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
I seem to have to comment on most of the mails in this thread. Sorry for that ;-) > Personally, I think ZC are trying very hard, but are not getting it > right. I'm also very sure they are taking this conversation > seriously. Brian responded very quickly to the userfolder 'api' > issues. They

Re: [Zope-dev] Dying in the Fishbowl.

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
> > Does the fishbowl process address this for you? > > > >http://dev.zope.org/Fishbowl/Introduction.html > > From me, that'll be a resounding no. > > Every single idea I've had for Zope has died somewhere in the fishbowl, and not because people have turned round and > gone "no, that's a crap

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
> > Noone from Zope Corp seems to monitor the list to help out. > That is not my experience at all. I have received answers from Zope corps > several times. But sure, most of the answers you get come from the community > members. Thats what a community is all about, and thats the hallmark of a >

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! > To be honest i would be happy for Zope 3 not to be backwards > compatible. Tidy it up, delete the unless code, dare i say it - > refactor. Yes so my products will break, well half a days refactoring > myself and i have a tidier more understandable project anyway. YES, we need a new start

Re: [Zope-dev] Integrating mailman with Zope?

2001-11-26 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! > Has anyone out there tried this already? Last we heard, Mailman was > a standalone CGI program, and in order to make it work with Zope you > had to run both Mailman and Zope behind another web server (such as > Apache). Yes, but if you control the Mailman from Zope, you will of course not

Re: [Zope-dev] Wild and crazzzzy idea: Hierarchial permissions

2001-11-23 Thread Joachim Werner
> What I'm missig more is flexibility for the "Add object" mechanism. > The possibility to install products not globally, but locally for a > folder and it's subfolders and some hierachical sorting of "add type" > selectbox. Hi! With OrderedFolder, you can at least clean up the Add menu locally.

Re: [Zope-dev] Anyone know how to add a property to a Zope Product (not its instances)?

2001-10-20 Thread Joachim Werner
> By default, Zope adds the title and version properties, for which it > gets the value from version.txt and meta_type, > but does anyone know a way to add more? This is only half an answer, but maybe it helps: I am not quite sure if you can do that the easy way from Python. (I.e. just define a

Re: [Zope-dev] ZTables and/or Catalog plugable brains?

2001-10-05 Thread Joachim Werner
> I'm not entirely sure why the idea of ZTables went away so completely. > Python tables in the ZODB combined with the catalog should make for an > interesting system to play with. Though perhaps there are products > out there that actually do this. Come to think of it, MetaPublisher > (not to be

[Zope-dev] Attribute error: extends ...

2001-10-01 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Has anybody also had that with a Zope 2.4.1 instance (Linux)? It happens not only with Metapublisher (as in the example), but seems to occur quite randomly. It might be a problem with my local install, but even if it is, it should not happen (as I just have some custom Products installed) ...

[Zope-dev] somehow OT: How do I get a tar file containing the ".dtml" files only?

2001-10-01 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I am working on internationalizing a Zope 2.4.1 instance with ZBabel and providing a set of patches for Zope 2.4.1. My idea was that things would become much easier if I had a tarball that just contains all *.dtml files and the folder structure for them, so I can distribute the tarball as a p

Re: [Zope-dev] [Bug] DateTime(string) uses GMT as timezone

2001-10-01 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Stephan Richter has started to re-implement DateTime using mxDateTime a couple of weeks ago. That should fix all the various problems with DateTime. At Zope Corporation, Andreas Jung took care of that. So if you complain loud enough, I guess the fix could go into the 2.5 release. It just migh

Re: [Zope-dev] Vulnerability: attacking can get file list and directory

2001-09-23 Thread Joachim Werner
> Vulnerability: attacking can get file list and directory > Tested on Win32 platform > > Example: > telnet zopeserver 8080 > PROPFIND / HTTP/1.0 > > > > > < list files and directory > > > This tested on my site: > security.instock.ru 8080 This one really seems to be the old "WebDAV is not sa

Re: [Zope-dev] DISCUSS: Community checkins for CVS

2001-09-23 Thread Joachim Werner
> I imagine that the group will decide rules on peer reviewing. For > comparison, the Mozilla group has very elaborate rules for checkins, > while Python has pretty much an innocent until proven guilty culture. > (That is, you check something in, and if somebody complains, it gets > removed.) >

Re: [Zope-dev] DISCUSS: Community checkins for CVS

2001-09-21 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi Paul! Hi list! In the last couple of weeks I have really looked forward for the CVS to be finally opened. Not that I would be the first to be accepted as a contributor (my Python is still lousy, as Stephan Richter could tell you ...), but I read things from ZC like "We are too busy to get cont

Re: Re: [Zope-dev] WebDav Bug? -- And some comments on how great WebDAV is ;-)

2001-09-19 Thread Joachim Werner
> Question : > When I access to my folder by webdav protocol (win98 webfolder), I can list > the folder content, but when I want to access to a file inside, Zope asked to > me another authentification, then I can access to my file (wordd file (.doc)) > but only in read only mode. This seems to be

Re: [Zope-dev] TransparentFolder Problem

2001-06-28 Thread Joachim Werner
> / > Transparent_A > Method_A > Folder_B > Transparent_B > Method_A > Folder_C > > Folder_B and Folder_C are non-transparent, Transparent_A and > Transparent_B are transparent. > > The problem is when i say in a Document which is in > Folder_C i got the M

Re: Something better than ZClasses (was: Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zcatalog bloat problem (berkeleydb is a solution?))

2001-06-26 Thread Joachim Werner
> If DTML programming / interface design is so simple, and cheap, why not > automate it? (Strike two for low cost development). > > I've been trying to save some time (and my fingers!) by building a RAD > framework, named the WarpFramework [1], which deals with the low level > complexity of prope

Re: [Zope-dev] ZClass not in a Product

2001-06-25 Thread Joachim Werner
> Maybe you search "python.org" for Guido's metaclasses article. > It tells that a Python class can be both a class and an instance > and that this view has interesting applications. > > You focus on the class aspects of a ZClass (a pattern for creating > instances providing them with basic common

Re: [Zope-dev] ZClass not in a Product

2001-06-22 Thread Joachim Werner
> I do not agree with you: > > a ZClass is both an instance (you can manage, modify, delete) > and a class (you can use as blueprint for object creation). O.k., I CAN manage/modify/delete a ZClass, but it still is (conceptually) a class, and only a class. You can manage/modify/delete Zope P

Re: [Zope-dev] and thanks

2001-06-21 Thread Joachim Werner
> dtml-tree made me look good today :). Thanks DC! But still it urgently needs a rewrite ;-) Some issues: - Only one tree per page (it should be an option to use core session or unique cookies to enable more than one tree per page) - The open/close icons are hard-coded - A general one that appl

Re: [Zope-dev] ZClass not in a Product

2001-06-21 Thread Joachim Werner
> Is there any good reason why a Product inside the ControlPanel is the only > place a ZClass can exist? Why can't I have one in any folder? I think it is perfectly logical that ZClasses are located in the Products area. A folder is for instances of classes, and a ZClass is a class, not an instan

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Problems with Transparent Folder and Zope 2.3.3

2001-06-21 Thread Joachim Werner
> Tomorrow I hope to release a version of TransparentFolders that works > around the problem, so you can wait for that instead if you like. Cool! Could you maybe put the patch that currently is applied in OFS/__init.py__ into a Hotfix? This would make it easier to use Transparent Folders together

[Zope-dev] Problems with Transparent Folder and Zope 2.3.3

2001-06-21 Thread Joachim Werner
Transparent Folders are used very often at iuveno. And we would like to do so in the future because they really provide an easy way to structure objects in folders. But with Zope 2.3.3 we get errors like that when we start an instance that uses Transparent Folders: Traceback (innermost last): F

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