Re: [Zope-dev] [ZConfig] import inhomogenous

2004-02-18 Thread Fred Drake
On Tuesday 17 February 2004 01:10 pm, Dieter Maurer wrote: It would be better if the type of the imported object (schema or component) were orthogonal to the location from where the object is found (in a package or via an URL). I agree, that does seem nicer. Another approach would be to

Re: [Zope-dev] server for new protocol?

2004-02-27 Thread Fred Drake
On Thursday 26 February 2004 06:50 am, Nikolay Kim wrote: is there any way create server for new protocol without changing ZServer module? There's clearly a need for some more documentation here, but I'm not sure what to write yet, or where it should go. Contrary to many of the other

Re: [Zope-dev] server for new protocol?

2004-03-01 Thread Fred Drake
On Sunday 29 February 2004 11:21 pm, Nikolay Kim wrote: P.S. i'm developing smtp server for zope and already have working code. Ooh! This is really cool. Will this be open source? I'll be a lot of people will be interested in this. -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. fred at zope.com

Re: [Zope-dev] Product directory?

2004-03-09 Thread Fred Drake
On Tuesday 09 March 2004 01:58 pm, Ian Beatty wrote: This has to be an easy one. Good, I'll take it. ;-) From within my Python-based product's code, how do I get access to the product's directory on the filesystem? os.getcwd() seems to provide the working directory of the shell used to

Re: [Zope-dev] Product directory?

2004-03-09 Thread Fred Drake
On Tuesday 09 March 2004 02:30 pm, Chris McDonough wrote: There is also a convenience function for this in Zope: from Globals import package_home here = package_home(globals()) Maybe I'm just weird, but I generally prefer the general approach when there's not a clear improvement in

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: test.py

2004-03-11 Thread Fred Drake
On Thursday 11 March 2004 10:40 am, Tres Seaver wrote: #!/usr/bin/python2.3 distutils will munge it anyway, if it installs the scripts. That won't work for a lot of developers, I'll bet, who have python2.3 installed in /usr/local/bin. The env hack is more reasonable for developers; since

[Zope-dev] Re: test.py

2004-03-12 Thread Fred Drake
On Friday 12 March 2004 05:40 am, yuppie wrote: I don't care much *how* this is resolved, but I'd like to have this consistent and up to date. If I always have to check if the python version is set correctly that line isn't helpful at all. Well, Tres appearantly hasn't had time to respond.

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT for CSS, anyone?

2004-03-30 Thread Fred Drake
On Tuesday 30 March 2004 01:40 pm, Dieter Maurer wrote: Furthermore, stylesheets often contain customization variables, e.g. for a color scheme. I think, this is useful. This is one of the most painful warts in CSS that would have been really easy to do right, I think. Being able to name

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-Coders] Re: CVS: Zope3/src/zope/tal - talparser.py:1.6

2004-04-08 Thread Fred Drake
On Thursday 08 April 2004 10:00 am, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: I would like to backport this patch (including tests) to Zope 2, since I need to i18n XML generated by ZPTs. None here. -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. fred at zope.com PythonLabs at Zope Corporation

[Zope-dev] ZConfig 2.1 released

2004-04-12 Thread Fred Drake
I've posted a distribution for ZConfig 2.1 on the ZConfig page: http://zope.org/Members/fdrake/zconfig/ This fixes a few bugs and improves the ability to set default values in schemas. It also adds some helpful schema building blocks, including a general mapping type and support for

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Developers

2004-04-13 Thread Fred Drake
On Tuesday 13 April 2004 01:44 pm, Paul Edward Brinich wrote: I was wondering if someone on this list could point me in the direction of an appropriate place to post Zope job openings. I am looking for an audience well-versed in Zope. Thanks for any guidance! There's the Python Job Board:

[Zope-dev] zLOG is dead

2004-04-13 Thread Fred Drake
zLOG is dead The zLOG package used for logging throughout ZODB, ZEO, and Zope 2 has been declared obsolete. All logging for Zope products will use the logging package from Python's standard library. The zLOG package still exists in Zope 2 and the separate package for

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Zope and zope

2004-04-13 Thread Fred Drake
Jim Fulton noted: Of course, having two packages with names differing only in case is a bit ugly. Do we want to consider renaming one or both of these packages to avoid the conflict? A bit ugly, but I can live with it. On Tuesday 13 April 2004 22:17, Tres Seaver wrote: -1 to renaming

Re: [Zope-dev] zLOG is dead

2004-04-14 Thread Fred Drake
On Wednesday 14 April 2004 01:49 am, Andreas Jung wrote: What is the recommend way to migrate existing code? I assume using: import logging logger = logging.getLogger(loggername). That works, and certainly matches what I've been doing, and what we see in the Zope 3 codebase as well.

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope and zope

2004-04-14 Thread Fred Drake
On Wednesday 14 April 2004 09:54 am, Kapil Thangavelu wrote: its probably a problem imo for mac users who are on a case insensitive fs. Is this still an issue for Mac OS X, or is your concern for classic Mac OS? I don't know if we support that (simply because I've never heard anyone mention

Re: [Zope-dev] zLOG is dead

2004-04-14 Thread Fred Drake
On Wednesday 14 April 2004 11:44 am, Lennart Regebro wrote: Yeah, but is it reasonable to think that people who write new products will do this? A rule that most people will break is a bad rule... That people working on Zope itself can be well versed enough to use Zope. for things in

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope and zope

2004-04-14 Thread Fred Drake
On Wednesday 14 April 2004 10:52 am, Jim Fulton wrote: packages become very unsttractive. It turns out that pkgutil will be confused by the Zope package on Windows or Mac OS, adding it's directory to the zope package's path. This is a bug in pkgutil that can be fixed, but it is an example

Re: [Zope-dev] zLOG is dead

2004-04-14 Thread Fred Drake
On Wednesday 14 April 2004 10:45 am, Andreas Jung wrote: For consitency: Zope.Products. For lazy writers: Zope. X I prefer the second solution...everyone should know what are products and what are packages. In fact the name does not matter because you can see in the traceback

Re: [Zope3-dev], [Zope-dev] More arguments for z (was Re: Zope and zope)

2004-04-15 Thread Fred Drake
On Thursday 15 April 2004 10:23 am, Jim Fulton wrote: (BTW, I think it was a mistake to have top-level persistent and transaction packages. I think that will eventually come back to haunt us.) I won't disagree with this. ;-( The only way to avoid collissions is to pick stupid names

[Zope3-dev], [Zope-dev] Import checking code

2004-04-15 Thread Fred Drake
On Thursday 15 April 2004 13:22, Martijn Faassen wrote: Note that for checking dependencies in Python code I still think this tool could be improved by using technology from importchecker.py ... which can use Python's compiler module to lift all imports from source code, which I think is

Re: [Zope3-dev], [Zope-dev] Import checking code

2004-04-16 Thread Fred Drake
On Friday 16 April 2004 06:15 am, Martijn Faassen wrote: I'll try to find some time to take a look at it. Dependency checking is sort of a natural thing to use importchecker stuff for, but importchecker itself may need some refactoring. :) Actually, the confusion I was referring to was in

Re: [Zope-dev] Proposal: Rename zope package

2004-04-16 Thread Fred Drake
On Friday 16 April 2004 01:31 pm, Michael Bernstein wrote: From a consistency in nomenclature POV, I find 'z' jars a bit with ZConfig, zdaemon, ZEO, zLog, and ZODB, which one might expect to find nested within 'z' (as 'z.Config' for example). This is admittedly only an issue for the

Re: [Zope-dev] Proposal: Rename zope package

2004-04-16 Thread Fred Drake
On Friday 16 April 2004 03:06 pm, Michael Bernstein wrote: Shouldn't we strive for consistency in nomenclature going forward? Definately. My point was that we don't have anything to base it on, not that we shouldn't be. Zope 3 kindly specifies some guidelines for naming, including module and

Re: [Zope-dev] Proposal: Rename zope package

2004-04-16 Thread Fred Drake
On Friday 16 April 2004 03:24 pm, Shane Hathaway wrote: - Spelling it zOPE to take advantage of a frequent mishap involving the cAPS lOCK key That must be what happened for zLOG, and I declared that dead. I don't think anyone's ready for that for Zope 3 just yet. ;-) -Fred -- Fred L.

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Proposal: Rename zope package

2004-04-20 Thread Fred Drake
On Tuesday 20 April 2004 12:08 pm, Jim Fulton wrote: What do people think about alternative 4? +1 -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. fred at zope.com PythonLabs at Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Zope-dev] Re: zLOG changes

2004-04-20 Thread Fred Drake
On Tuesday 20 April 2004 01:22 pm, Andreas Jung wrote: - the entries in the event.log are currently written without the log level. Is this dedicated behaviour? I think the log level should be part of the event.log It should. This was lost when I changed the zLOG -- logging mapping, and

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: zLOG is dead

2004-04-20 Thread Fred Drake
On Tuesday 20 April 2004 01:15 pm, Christian Heimes wrote: Fred Drake wrote: * Do I need to take care that the messages are logged into the event log and on the console or can I safly use the logging package like:: ... zLOG has logged the messages to the console when zope was started

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: zLOG changes

2004-04-22 Thread Fred Drake
I wrote: - In debug mode, add a new handler that dumps to standard output. This is fairly easy to code, but is inflexible. Andreas responded: But flexible enough for most usecase. The point is that you want to see the tracebacks on the console during the development phase. Watching the

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: zLOG changes

2004-04-22 Thread Fred Drake
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 04:48 am, Chris Withers wrote: I'm guessing there is some kind of log-to-console logger already? If so, why not just add that in zope.conf and comment it out when you move to production? That would work for me, but not everyone at ZC agreed, so I've made some

[Zope-dev] New mailing list for ZConfig users

2004-04-23 Thread Fred Drake
At a suggestion from the community, I've created a new mailing list for ZConfig users. This is for general discussion and questions. The list is run using Mailman at Zope.org; you can sign up at http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zconfig/ -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. fred at

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Need help with http://dev.zope.org/Subversion

2004-04-25 Thread Fred Drake
On Sunday 25 April 2004 12:29 pm, Jim Fulton wrote: cvs co svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/Zope3/trunk Zope3 That should be: svn co svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/Zope3/trunk Zope3 cvs co http://svn.zope.org/repos/Zope3/trunk Zope3 and this would be: svn co

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Need help with http://dev.zope.org/Subversion

2004-04-25 Thread Fred Drake
On Sunday 25 April 2004 01:00 pm, Jim Fulton wrote: Oops. Thanks. I gues some habits will be hard to kick. :) Yeah. Of course, CVS isn't just an old habit; it'll still be current practice, not just for Zope 2.6.x and 2.7.x, but for lots of projects. The general pain of two widely-used

[Zope-dev] Re: Mailing Log Entries in 2.7

2004-04-25 Thread Fred Drake
On Saturday 24 April 2004 06:26 pm, Chris Withers wrote: And there was me looking forward to writing a product that added its own ZConfig section :'( You still can if you like. ;-) Okay, how can I get the log level and exception type into the subject? That's not currently possible,

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] What do we want to bring from CVS to Subversion

2004-04-26 Thread Fred Drake
On Monday 26 April 2004 03:23 pm, Jim Fulton wrote: 2. Convert the mainline history, but leave off the branches. This sounds good to me. -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. fred at zope.com PythonLabs at Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist -

Re: Should we require windows users to use tools that honor Unixlineendings? (Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] ATTENTION! cvs tosubversiontransitiontomorrow)

2004-04-28 Thread Fred Drake
On Wednesday 28 April 2004 04:01 pm, Lennart Regebro wrote: Yes, but I'm pretty sure there are default settings for which files that should be treated as binary on the server side in CVS. At least I rember setting it up. :ยด) Yes, this is specified in the CVSROOT/cvswrappers file. -Fred

Re: [Zope-dev] [Weakness] analysis of Zope startup problems

2004-04-30 Thread Fred Drake
On Friday 30 April 2004 10:50 am, Chris McDonough wrote: Is this improved at all by Fred's latest zZLOG-removal checkins? If not, I will open a collector issue. None of my changes have been applied to Zope 2.7; they only exist on the Zope 2 HEAD. The removal of zLOG is only for the Zope 3

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-Coders] End-of-line translation problem

2004-04-30 Thread Fred Drake
On Friday 30 April 2004 12:25 pm, Lennart Regebro wrote: Only that the Subversion people are wrong. Ad-hoc is not good enough. It must be able to be configurable on the server. Another possible approach would be to write a script to use for adds instead of the default client; it could set

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Proposal: cvs to subversion transition May 11 (?)

2004-05-05 Thread Fred Drake
On Wednesday 05 May 2004 01:59 am, Jim Fulton wrote: I'm thinking of trying again to do the cvs to svn conversion of the main-line development branches (cvs heads) on Tusday May 11. This would entail moving ZODB, Zope 2, and Zope 3 head development to subversion (along with ZConfig,

[Zope-dev] Re: Mailing Log Entries in 2.7

2004-05-05 Thread Fred Drake
Regarding putting more information in email's generated using email-notifier sections, I wrote: That's not currently possible, though it wouldn't be hard to add. Perhaps some future ZConfig revision would add this. On Wednesday 05 May 2004 05:41 am, Chris Withers responded: Surely ZConfig

Re: [Zope-dev] cvs.zope.org wedged, we're looking into it

2004-05-07 Thread Fred Drake
On Friday 07 May 2004 01:50 pm, Ken Manheimer wrote: cvs.zope.org is wedged - you can connect to it (ping, web, ssh) but not get any further. We've got a call in for attention, hopefully it'll be back available soon... Yay! It's working again! Ken, you're my hero. ;-) -Fred --

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: SVN: Zope3/trunk/functional_tests/ Remove unused directory.

2004-05-26 Thread Fred Drake
On Wednesday 26 May 2004 08:42 am, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: That works for me too, but please *above* the diff. Yes; I should have been more clear and said *immediately* following the commit message. No, the CVS should stay in there to tell them apart, for the very same reason you

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] status of Zope versus zope?

2004-06-04 Thread Fred Drake
On Friday 04 June 2004 12:33 pm, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hm, that's not a big deal then. I'm just at a loss how this would fix the case-insensitivity import problem on Windows; I think I'm missing something. Modern Windows is case-preserving, and Python uses that to get the imports right.

Re: [Zope-dev] INSTANCE_HOME and SOFTWARE_HOME still necessary in 2.7 start script?

2004-07-01 Thread Fred Drake
On Thursday 01 July 2004 07:42 pm, Chris Withers wrote: Is it still necessary to specify INSTANCE_HOME and SOFTWARE_HOME in the start script for Zope? I'm pretty sure I removed that requirement long ago, back when I added the App.config module. Or would the following work? python

Re: [Zope-dev] INSTANCE_HOME and SOFTWARE_HOME still necessary in 2.7 start script?

2004-07-02 Thread Fred Drake
On Friday 02 July 2004 02:21 am, Chris Withers wrote: Well, the automatically generated runzope still includes INSTANCE_HOME and SOFTWARE_HOME, hence my question... Can those variables be dropped from the template script? They were dropped, also back when I added App.config. Someone

[Zope-dev] TAL Hotfix 2004-07-13 for Zope 2.7.0, 2.7.1

2004-07-13 Thread Fred Drake
This hotfix product fixes a security bug in Page Templates. This fix ensures that values substituted in named slots in translated elements are properly encoded. If encoding is not desired and the source of the replacement text is trusted, the structure modifier can be used with the tal:content

[Zope-dev] TAL Hotfix 2004-07-14 for Zope 2.7.0, 2.7.1

2004-07-14 Thread Fred Drake
This hotfix product fixes a security bug in Page Templates. This fix ensures that values substituted in named slots in translated elements are properly encoded. If encoding is not desired and the source of the replacement text is trusted, the structure modifier can be used with the tal:content

Re: [Zope-dev] Troubles with hotfix20040714

2004-07-19 Thread Fred Drake
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:48:00 -0700 (PDT), C. Olmsted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure if this is quite the correct list to post to, but I'm having trouble with Hotfix20040714. We're running zope 2.7, plone 2.0.3, and zwiki 0.32.0. Can you test with the 2.7.2 release candidate? This very

Re: [Zope-dev] Troubles with hotfix20040714

2004-07-21 Thread Fred Drake
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:40:22 -0700 (PDT), Cliff O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, so I just finished loading up 2.7.2rc1 and all seems well using the same products and database as before. I can probably migrate the site once 2.7.2 final is released but, of course, it would be great to apply the

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-Coders] Collector Status Meanings

2004-07-30 Thread Fred Drake
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:50:57 -0400 (EDT), Ken Manheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Accepted: Issues that some supporter(s) has responsibility for resolving it, and it is not yet resolved. Your description says that some supporter has assessed the issue as

Re: [Zope-dev] ZConfig keys

2004-08-04 Thread Fred Drake
On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 10:24:30 +0200, Godefroid Chapelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to confirm that ZConfig keys are case insensitive and that the corresponding attributes on the config object returned by the 'loadConfig' call are always lower case. It sounds like I need to clarify

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT Optimization Opportunity

2004-09-27 Thread Fred Drake
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:18:30 -0400, Tres Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Transformation is already complete at that point. The only difference is the type of the result returned (eventually) to the publisher. Ok, that sounds good. BTW, I looked again at where StringIO is used, and it seems

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: inconsistent mimetype assignment for uploaded files

2004-10-05 Thread Fred Drake
On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 12:44:32 +0200, Tino Wildenhain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the problem might be the asymptation part of the filename should be considered an indicator of its contents. That is a nuissance. It's unfortunate we still don't have any sort of common type system for

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Conditional imports in ZTUtils/__init__.py

2004-10-05 Thread Fred Drake
On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 09:47:11 -0500, Evan Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is part of my attempt to allow the various bits of ZPT to work outside of Zope. It assumes that the presence of the 'Zope' module is a reliable test. Perhaps this is a YAGNI, or perhaps there's a better way of

Re: [Zope-dev] PageTemplate XML mode bugs

2004-10-05 Thread Fred Drake
On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 12:47:33 +0200, yuppie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are two annoying bugs that make the XML mode unusable for many tasks: - http://collector.zope.org/Zope/1101 (i18n namespace broken) - http://collector.zope.org/Zope/1474 (XML files opened in binary mode) I would

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: PageTemplate XML mode bugs

2004-10-05 Thread Fred Drake
On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 18:44:04 +0200, yuppie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok. I'll remove that line in CVS/SVN. Thanks! I added a new comment to the issue. Hope that makes things clearer. ( http://collector.zope.org/Zope/1474 ) Ok; let's just say the discussion's moved there. -Fred -- Fred

Re: [Zope-dev] Python2.4 and Zope 2.7

2004-10-17 Thread Fred Drake
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:43:34 +0200, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python 2.4 is still in alpha stage and there are no plans to support Python 2.4 in the short term. It's in beta as of Friday evening; this would be a good time for someone with time to start testing it with various Zope

Re: [Zope-dev] Python2.4 and Zope 2.7

2004-10-18 Thread Fred Drake
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 06:59:26 +0200, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zope 2.7.3 + Python 2.4 fails when running the unittests: Then a collector item should be filed. ;-) I don't know anything about ThreadedAsync myself. -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr.fdrake at gmail.com Zope

[Zope-dev] Proposed changes to the TAL specification

2004-10-21 Thread Fred Drake
I'm proposing some (small) changes to the TAL specification. This would result in a new version of TAL for Zope X3 3.1 (and Zope 2.8 if anyone wants to backport the relevant code changes). The discussion will be on the ZPT list, where I've sent a copy of the proposal. The proposal is also

Re: [Zope-dev] ZopeInterface

2004-10-28 Thread Fred Drake
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:07:52 +0200, Radoslaw Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could anyone please provide me information when ZopeInterface product is going to be updated ? And how is it related to zopex3 releases ? I'm planning to release a final version around the time that Zope X3 3.0.0

Re: [Zope-dev] Can I configure additional loggers via zope.conf?

2004-10-28 Thread Fred Drake
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:33:37 +0200, Ames Andreas (MPA/DF) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry if this the wrong list, I just wasn't sure. This is as good a list as any. I'd like to use a python lib which creates and uses its own logger objects/hierarchy. This hierarchy is not a subtree of the

Re: [Zope-dev] Renamed the Zope package to Zope2 and including Zope 3 packages in Zope 2.8

2005-01-31 Thread Fred Drake
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:25:15 +0100, Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that diskussions about the Zope2 + Zope3 pagetemplate issue arrived in the conclusion that, the faster we can get Zope3 pagetemplates back ported to Zope2, the happier we will be. ;) I have no idea if that is a

Re: [Zope-dev] ZConfig issue: products and container-class

2005-02-14 Thread Fred Drake
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:22:38 -0200, Leonardo Rochael Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's obvious that the container-class directive is being evaluated much earlier than the products directive. Without delving further into the code, it looks like the container-class directive has an error

Re: [Zope-dev] ZConfig issue: products and container-class

2005-02-14 Thread Fred Drake
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:41:20 -0200, Leonardo Rochael Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should I bother with the collector entry or is it a known limitation no one is going to bother with? :-) It's not a bad idea to file a report in the collector. While I've no plan to change it myself, that's

Re: [Zope-dev] Parrot

2005-03-21 Thread Fred Drake
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:54:11 -0500, Andrew Langmead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't tried the latest version of Parrot, but I'd think that Zope would be the last thing that will run successfully. I don't know that Parrot tries to emulate Python's C API either, and Zope definately contains

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZConfig change breaks Zope 2 and Zope 3

2005-05-09 Thread Fred Drake
On 5/9/05, yuppie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I still believe it was wrong to change the 'inet_address' datatype in ZConfig. I spoke with Tim about this briefly today, and I can't remember the reasons for some of the relevant changes. I suspect at this point that putting less magic in the

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-Coders] Zope 2.8 coming this weekend

2005-06-10 Thread Fred Drake
On 6/10/05, Paul Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mind if I check in text-only changes to the 2_8 branch? It's still Friday for Andreas, so this is a good time! -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr.fdrake at gmail.com Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-Coders] Zope 2.8 coming this weekend

2005-06-10 Thread Fred Drake
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 02:21:32PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote: Done. Like I said, just trivial docs typos. Yeah, but improvements are improvements! On 6/10/05, Paul Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I'm at it, anybody object to the attached patch to doc/FAQ.txt ? I don't see a need to

Re: [Zope-dev] Extending Zope's ZConfig Schema in a Product?

2005-06-30 Thread Fred Drake
On 6/30/05, Sidnei da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gosh, that looks too nice to be true. I will try that out tomorrow and write out a how-to on zope.org if it works out. It is too good to be true; sorry. Well, it is true, but it's not what you're looking for. You can't use it to extend the

Re: [Zope-dev] Extending Zope's ZConfig Schema in a Product?

2005-07-01 Thread Fred Drake
On 7/1/05, Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I don't know if it helps at all, but there's a concrete example of allowing a 3rd-party product to add a section to zope.conf via %import in the ClockServer product at http://www.plope.com/software/ClockServer/ . It sounds from your

Re: [Zope-dev] Extending Zope's ZConfig Schema in a Product?

2005-07-01 Thread Fred Drake
On 7/1/05, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That just has the disadvantage that you're increasing the number of configuration files to maintain in an instance. If it's imported and used in zope.conf at leaast there's just one file to deal with... This is true. Is that really important,

[Zope-dev] Build process for Zope 2.9

2005-08-24 Thread Fred Drake
Hey all, I'm working on a revised build process for Zope 2.9, based on the work that we've done for Zope 3. What this means is that we'll have a setup.py that uses the code from zpkg (http://www.zope.org/Members/fdrake/zpkgtools/) to load metadata from the various packages are part of the

[Zope-dev] Create Zope 2.9 project wiki

2005-08-26 Thread Fred Drake
I've created a project wiki for Zope 2.9: http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/Zope2.9/FrontPage The wiki is pretty bare at the moment. I've started adding some notes about moving the build and packaging support to use zpkg in the Tasks page:

Re: [Zope-dev] Can't fetch externals???

2005-09-30 Thread Fred Drake
On 9/30/05, Paul Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing Tino suggested: it might be a firewall issue. Does svn's externals-fetching look somehow different to a firewall than does a regular (non-external) checkout? When I tried checking out on my laptop, I noticed that ZoneAlarm asked 'me

Re: [Zope-dev] Can't fetch externals???

2005-09-30 Thread Fred Drake
On 9/30/05, Paul Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hypothesis: Is it possible that svn.zope.org is configured such that when you get the externals, it uses plain svn (i.e. an anonymous checkout) rather than svn+ssh? As noted, very likely. The default port for SVN w/out SSH is 3690:

Re: [Zope-dev] Can't fetch externals???

2005-09-30 Thread Fred Drake
On 9/30/05, Sidnei da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note this is not generic externals behaviour. In the case of Zope, it's because the externals are set to their svn:// urls. It could just as well be set to svn+ssh://, but then you would be able to checkin a file from the wrong place without

Re: [Zope-dev] Mountpoints

2005-10-18 Thread Fred Drake
[It doesn't look like my response went to the zope-dev list; re-sending.] On Tuesday 18 October 2005 15:43, Tim Peters wrote: I'm copying Fred because he may remember more about this than I do. Fred, do you know of a reason why I can't stitch a newer ZODB into Zope(2) trunk? I have a dim,

Re: Get rid of configure/make? (was Re: [Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:)

2005-11-05 Thread Fred Drake
On 11/5/05, Tino Wildenhain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The usual setup.py from distutils to make it more pythonic. The install.py in the root of the distribution is actually a conventional setup.py. Would it be helpful to keep the setup.py name? We renamed it to encourage the configure/make

Re: Get rid of configure/make? (was Re: [Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:)

2005-11-05 Thread Fred Drake
On 11/5/05, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's main benefit is that it leverages a familiar pattern, but I'm not convinced that it's worth it. Also, as tools like rpm and deb become more widely used, I'm not sure how familar the configure/make dance is. Other than Python and Zope, I

Re: [Zope-dev] Not-really-unit-testing ideas.

2005-11-23 Thread Fred Drake
On 11/23/05, Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Basically, I'd like to create a site once, and use it for all subsequent tests, until I made a change that means the site needs to be recreated. But how? Well, I'm not sure. How, for example, could I Jim's new test runner includes support

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source code repository

2005-11-23 Thread Fred Drake
On 11/23/05, Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using this group, we have about an 80-90% -1 vote count. I'll weigh in with a -1 as well, for all the reasons cited by the other -1 voters on this issue. Zope 2 and Zope 3 are far too different at this point. The only way I see for

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.conf extensibility

2005-11-30 Thread Fred Drake
On 11/30/05, Sidnei da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have some product that would greatly benefit from being able to be configured from within zope.conf. I don't want a separate configuration file. Period. Tres Seaver and I implemented this during the Goldegg sprint in Fredericksburg, which

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.conf extensibility

2005-11-30 Thread Fred Drake
On 11/30/05, Sidnei da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't seen this being checked in at all, maybe it's in Tres laptop? These were committed to the trunk before the 2.9 branch was created: r39652 | tseaver |

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.conf extensibility

2005-12-01 Thread Fred Drake
On 12/1/05, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this case, I think zopeschema.xml should be documentation enough, especially as any product author wanting to use this feature is going to have to write a component.xml at least ;-) Actually, a product author isn't required to write a

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Unit Test Failures

2005-12-19 Thread Fred Drake
On 12/19/05, Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I see what you mean by contract. You're right, I guess it isn't documented then, but perhaps it should be. That's never been part of the contract and, as Tres notes, it's inconsistent. The implmentation will only sort when

Re: [Zope-dev] What use cases are driving make install from a checkout?

2005-12-21 Thread Fred Drake
On 12/21/05, Leonardo Rochael Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point is: I don't think there's anything wrong in the install procedure being different between the checkout and the tarball, but it should never take more than a couple of fixed (and documented) steps to convert a checkout to a

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Product installation (implicit vs. explicit)

2005-12-22 Thread Fred Drake
On 12/22/05, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jar files have no dependencies. Well, I know you know what you mean here, but I'll elaborate since the kids haven't started fighting yet this morning. :-) Jar files don't have dependency metadata. They're pretty much equivalent to zipped

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: zLOG module deprecated

2006-01-09 Thread Fred Drake
On 1/9/06, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ZODB defines these levels but I can not see any code in the ZODB package that actually uses these levels. Nobody should be using the zLOG levels with the logging package, but rather use the logging package levels. So in the end, there's no need

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: zLOG module deprecated

2006-01-09 Thread Fred Drake
On 1/9/06, Florent Guillaume [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point is that the python logging levels are insufficiently fine grained. The python logging framework leaves room for numeric levels and registering equivalent strings, and indeed ZODB and zLOG have them defined. I want to use them.

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZPT backward compatibility

2006-01-17 Thread Fred Drake
On 1/17/06, Tino Wildenhain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Add to it the fact the zpt@zope.org was due to be retired anyway ;) Though retirement for the list was discussed, it was decided not to retire it since it was still the best place for implementors to discuss matters. The implementations in

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] December release post-mortem

2006-01-18 Thread Fred Drake
On 1/18/06, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If eggs work out, as I hope they will, I'd like to stop work on zpkg and just use eggs. +42 -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr.fdrake at gmail.com There is no wealth but life. --John Ruskin ___ Zope-Dev

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] merge zope-dev and zope3-dev?

2006-02-17 Thread Fred Drake
On 2/16/06, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be clear: I'm talking _only_ about merging the dev lists, _not_ the user lists. The users lists are still largely independent, but it seems like just about every post to the dev list now has a bearing on both Zope 2 and Zope 3, especially

Re: XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Fred Drake
On 3/24/06, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've had sucess writing XSLT templates to transform the pickle data into formats easily parsable for particular applications. As part of a recent task (likely the same one Jim's referring to here!), I transformed the XML export into another XML

[Zope-dev] 64-bit BTrees

2006-04-13 Thread Fred Drake
I have a need for 64-bit BTrees (at least for IOBTree and OIBTree), and I'm not the first. I've created a feature development branch for this, and checked in my initial implementation. I've modified the existing code to use PY_LONG_LONG instead of int for the key and/or value type; there's no

Re: [ZODB-Dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: 64-bit BTrees

2006-04-17 Thread Fred Drake
On 4/17/06, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fact that IIBTrees is so widely used is exatly the reason I want to use 64-bits for the existing types rather than having to introduce a new type. Oops, I was checking in the separated version of 64-bit BTrees while this was landing in my

[Zope-dev] Re: 64-bit BTrees

2006-04-21 Thread Fred Drake
On 4/13/06, Fred Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've created a feature development branch for this, and checked in my initial implementation. I've made another branch for this, with a different twist. I'm not sure it'll be interesting, but I think it'll solve my immediate need until I can get

Re: [Zope-dev] zpkg, building zope from source

2006-05-15 Thread Fred Drake
On 5/15/06, Sidnei da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also on a similar subject, running 'make install' from a checkout only copies packages that have a 'SETUP.cfg' inside. Is that intentional? I thought someone was in charge of fixing the 'make install' dance. Someone might be, and it might

Re: [Zope-dev] zpkg, building zope from source

2006-05-15 Thread Fred Drake
On 5/15/06, Sidnei da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was looking at zpkg for the first time today, and was sorry to realize it won't run to completion on a Windows machine due to some minor use of os.WIFEXITED which is due to a dubious use of the 'tar' command, since Python has a 'tarfile'

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] pkg_resources or pkgutil?

2006-07-08 Thread Fred Drake
On 5/25/06, Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think they do pretty much the same thing (but I could be mistaken). Are they interchangeable? If not, are they compatible so that we just add both ways to both files? If they're not compatible, which one should we use in the

Re: [Zope-dev] Next step on Blobs?

2006-12-17 Thread Fred Drake
On 12/17/06, Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, not yet. I don't have any plans for Zope 2, but I'll be working on the Zope 3 side. ... - Make the existing File implementation use blobs This would be good so people see how to use them and get blobs widely exposed. Ideally,

Re: [Zope-dev] Next step on Blobs?

2006-12-19 Thread Fred Drake
On 12/18/06, Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) provide a generation to convert old data structures Since we tend to work with high-availability issues at ZC, I'm hesitant to go this route; expensive generations that affect large portions of a database can be very difficult to run

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