Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-10 Thread Igor Stroh
bakhtiar a hamid wrote: > On Thursday 09 February 2006 18:17, Martijn Faassen wrote: > >>Yes. Let's make a procedure for that: >> >>* find the document you think would be good to have >> >>* propose it on this list >> > > > http://www.jrandolph.com/blog/?p=23#comment-324 > > has a good comment

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-09 Thread bakhtiar a hamid
On Thursday 09 February 2006 18:17, Martijn Faassen wrote: > > Yes. Let's make a procedure for that: > > * find the document you think would be good to have > > * propose it on this list > http://www.jrandolph.com/blog/?p=23#comment-324 has a good comment with good links. http://zissue.berlios.d

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-09 Thread Andrew Sawyers
> Something like http://plone.org/products? Why not? If it fits the bill. > > > zope.org should not be a member login based site IMNSHO. > > Why not have a members.zope.org that is a community site, with wikis and > the lot, where the community can play their games, and a zope3.org and/or

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-09 Thread Rob Page
On Feb 9, 2006, at 5:26 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: > Why not have a members.zope.org that is a community > site, with wikis and the lot, where the community can > play their games, and a zope3.org and/or a zope.org > that is the outward facing part of the community, > much more tightly controlled fo

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-09 Thread Martin Aspeli
On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:28:22 -, Andrew Sawyers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 2006-02-09 at 14:09 +0100, Max M wrote: Chris Withers wrote: If we cannot make it work in Zope 2 or 3, maybe we should use rails ;-) I know Max is kidding; but to comment to Chris. One of the main prob

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-09 Thread Martin Aspeli
On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 13:00:43 -, Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tonico Strasser wrote: IMHO, the most important change for reducing visual design complexity, is to get rid of the /Members section, including log in/log out, and the whole TTW content management system. I think

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-09 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 2/9/06, Andrew Sawyers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2006-02-09 at 14:28 +0100, Lennart Regebro wrote: > > But other than that, I think we should > > focus on having a zope3.org. > A zope.org and zope3.org? Yup. -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-09 Thread Andrew Sawyers
On Thu, 2006-02-09 at 00:05 +, Martin Aspeli wrote: > Hi Martijn, > > > I would say, let's not bite off more than we can chew. Getting a punch > web-site is not easy. The hard part is reducing the amount of content, not > creating it. I'd say focus on Zope 3 for now - it's what we want t

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-09 Thread Andrew Sawyers
On Thu, 2006-02-09 at 14:09 +0100, Max M wrote: > Chris Withers wrote: > > > If we cannot make it work in Zope 2 or 3, maybe we should use rails ;-) > I know Max is kidding; but to comment to Chris. One of the main problems to avoid is 'kruft' and bit-rot. zope.org suffers this to the point o

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-09 Thread Andrew Sawyers
On Thu, 2006-02-09 at 14:28 +0100, Lennart Regebro wrote: > But other than that, I think we should > focus on having a zope3.org. A zope.org and zope3.org? Andrew > ___ > Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zo

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-09 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 2/9/06, Martijn Faassen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm still hopeful we can at least swap out zope.org's frontpage and > initial pages with something better that describes both Zope 2, Zope 3, > and its relationship. Quite a bit of text is already written that > attempts that which is in codes

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-09 Thread Max M
Chris Withers wrote: Tonico Strasser wrote: IMHO, the most important change for reducing visual design complexity, is to get rid of the /Members section, including log in/log out, and the whole TTW content management system. I think it's much easier to add and update content with SVN. (This

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-09 Thread Chris Withers
Tonico Strasser wrote: IMHO, the most important change for reducing visual design complexity, is to get rid of the /Members section, including log in/log out, and the whole TTW content management system. I think it's much easier to add and update content with SVN. (This would also effectively

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-09 Thread Chris Withers
Martijn Faassen wrote: Besides brochure-style information, I'm less confident about presenting up to date documentation on Zope 2, however. If we get people to edit the Zope 2 documentation for inclusion, then I'm all for it. I have my doubts that we'll get enough community interest in doing so

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-09 Thread Mark Pratt
On Feb 9, 2006, at 11:22 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Mark Pratt wrote: [snip] If the idea is to deliver the message that Zope 3 is great, clutting the message with Zope 2 cruft (not the same as if we have some really great zope 2 documentation, but what's there has rotted quite a bit) is

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-09 Thread Max M
Martijn Faassen wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: Hi Martijn, * are we going to target Zope 3 only with this site, or Zope 2 as well? I wrote text to cover both, as Zope 2 is currently the breadwinner of most of us. I think we can get enthusiasm more easily for Zope 3 however; nobody is going

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-09 Thread Martijn Faassen
Mark Pratt wrote: [snip] If the idea is to deliver the message that Zope 3 is great, clutting the message with Zope 2 cruft (not the same as if we have some really great zope 2 documentation, but what's there has rotted quite a bit) is not likely to help. Maybe we can (and should) get there

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-09 Thread Martijn Faassen
Martin Aspeli wrote: Hi Martijn, * are we going to target Zope 3 only with this site, or Zope 2 as well? I wrote text to cover both, as Zope 2 is currently the breadwinner of most of us. I think we can get enthusiasm more easily for Zope 3 however; nobody is going to write Zope 2 tutorials

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-09 Thread Mark Pratt
Hi, Just one point. On Feb 9, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote: On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 04:17:25 -, baiju m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think we can have these kind of documentation: Documentation - - Zope 3 Tutorial - Zope 2 Tutorial (Using Five and so lead the user to

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-09 Thread Martin Aspeli
On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 04:17:25 -, baiju m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think we can have these kind of documentation: Documentation - - Zope 3 Tutorial - Zope 2 Tutorial (Using Five and so lead the user towards Zope3) - What's new in {Zope2|3|CMF|Five} releases - ZopeBook (Zope 2

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-08 Thread baiju m
On 2/9/06, Martin Aspeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * we need start collecting Zope 3 documentation we can put online. We > > need to mine what's there online right now, approach the creators with a > > proposal for a new home (we could even have a mockup of it all in the > > grand new design,

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-08 Thread Martin Aspeli
Hi Martijn, * are we going to target Zope 3 only with this site, or Zope 2 as well? I wrote text to cover both, as Zope 2 is currently the breadwinner of most of us. I think we can get enthusiasm more easily for Zope 3 however; nobody is going to write Zope 2 tutorials. What do we do? I w

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-07 Thread Michael Haubenwallner
Martijn Faassen wrote: >> I have created http://del.icio.us/zope3 to collect bookmarks of >> zope3 docs, tutorials and packages/applications. >> >> I'd like to share that account with interested persons >> (contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > Is it okay if I just 'for' a lot of those links I have al

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-07 Thread Martijn Faassen
Michael Haubenwallner wrote: [newsletter] I'm preparing to run a zope newsletter from the planetzope.org site. If needed it could be (re)integrated with the new zopeweb at any time. Sounds like a good plan. You're willing to do the work, and we have a venue (planetzope.org). We can integrate i

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-07 Thread Martijn Faassen
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: I started work on a new layout with Andrew Sawyers a few months ago. I'm more than happy to continue. http://modscape.com/zope http://www.modscape.com/zope/homepage_html http://www.modscape.com/zope/download_html http://www.modscape.com/zope/products_html The design

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-07 Thread Tom Von Lahndorff
On Feb 7, 2006, at 11:08 AM, Tonico Strasser wrote: Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: I started work on a new layout with Andrew Sawyers a few months ago. I'm more than happy to continue. http://modscape.com/zope http://www.modscape.com/zope/homepage_html http://www.modscape.com/zope/download_html h

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-07 Thread Tonico Strasser
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: I started work on a new layout with Andrew Sawyers a few months ago. I'm more than happy to continue. http://modscape.com/zope http://www.modscape.com/zope/homepage_html http://www.modscape.com/zope/download_html http://www.modscape.com/zope/products_html The designs

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-07 Thread Tarek Ziadé
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: I started work on a new layout with Andrew Sawyers a few months ago. I'm more than happy to continue. http://modscape.com/zope http://www.modscape.com/zope/homepage_html http://www.modscape.com/zope/download_html http://www.modscape.com/zope/products_html The desig

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-07 Thread Tom Von Lahndorff
I started work on a new layout with Andrew Sawyers a few months ago. I'm more than happy to continue. http://modscape.com/zope http://www.modscape.com/zope/homepage_html http://www.modscape.com/zope/download_html http://www.modscape.com/zope/products_html The designs are standards based. Ple

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-07 Thread Michael Haubenwallner
Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, In order to get some sense of progress, here I'l list a status report of what we've been up to. Most importantly I will list some stuff we need to do. Since I've been busy I'm probably out of the loop on some stuff, so please post your bits in this thread.

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-07 Thread Tonico Strasser
Martijn Faassen wrote: * does anyone know a good web designer who can design a solid looking, serious, but still exciting website for zope? Whether a site is exciting or not is purely subjective I think. I find w3.org very exciting, but I guess many here don't ;) Making a solid design should

Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06

2006-02-06 Thread bakhtiar a hamid
On Monday 06 February 2006 19:43, Martijn Faassen wrote: > Hi there, > > In order to get some sense of progress, here I'l list a status report of > what we've been up to. Most importantly I will list some stuff we need > to do. Since I've been busy I'm probably out of the loop on some stuff, > so p