[Zope3-dev] Re: Drop-in rich (JS/CSS-dependent) view components: Please review (was Re: Resource Library Proposal)

2005-09-07 Thread Max M
Gary Poster wrote: While reasearching Ajax technology, I stumbled across this site: http://www.backbase.com/ I doubt we'll agree as a community on a non-open-source platform. I wouldn't dream of suggesting that. It was the approach I found interresting. What I meant was that we could deve

Re: [Zope3-dev] upcoming wsgi pipeline/twisted integration

2005-09-07 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 07 September 2005 17:16, Craeg Strong wrote: > Would the Twisted integration work with Twisted Web2? Yes. > I understand Twisted supports SSL out of the box, > which would seem to obviate the need for virtual hosting underneath Apache. The branch runs happily the Twisted SSL servers

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Proposed widget/schema work for the Rivah sprint (Thursday and Friday this week)

2005-09-07 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: > Tres Seaver wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Florent Guillaume wrote: >> >>> Jim Fulton wrote: >>> >>> I think that sources are different than initial value. I really don't see any role

Re: [Zope3-dev] upcoming wsgi pipeline/twisted integration

2005-09-07 Thread Gary Poster
On Sep 7, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: Craeg Strong wrote: Gary Poster wrote: Does this have anything to do with cocoon2-style pipelines and XSLT? As you see in the PEP, yes, it could be used for such a thing. Well, only *very* loosly. WSGI lets you create course-grained static p

Re: [Zope3-dev] upcoming wsgi pipeline/twisted integration

2005-09-07 Thread Jim Fulton
Craeg Strong wrote: ... Gary Poster wrote: ... Does this have anything to do with cocoon2-style pipelines and XSLT? As you see in the PEP, yes, it could be used for such a thing. Well, only *very* loosly. WSGI lets you create course-grained static pipelines. Cocoon is much more flexi

[Zope3-dev] upcoming wsgi pipeline/twisted integration

2005-09-07 Thread Craeg Strong
Oops, back on list, with updated subject line. Thanks so much for the info, it is really good news! Count me as another person interested in these upcoming Zope 3.2 changes. Maybe in a few weeks I will be savvy enough to help out in some way. Would the Twisted integration work with Twisted Web2

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Drop-in rich (JS/CSS-dependent) view components: Please review (was Re: Resource Library Proposal)

2005-09-07 Thread Gary Poster
On Sep 7, 2005, at 4:48 PM, Max M wrote: Gary Poster wrote: The use case for this tool is to allow rich view components, such as form widgets (but there are many other examples), that rely on JS and CSS to work in a more componentized, drop-in way. While reasearching Ajax technolog

[Zope3-dev] Re: Drop-in rich (JS/CSS-dependent) view components: Please review (was Re: Resource Library Proposal)

2005-09-07 Thread Max M
Gary Poster wrote: The use case for this tool is to allow rich view components, such as form widgets (but there are many other examples), that rely on JS and CSS to work in a more componentized, drop-in way. While reasearching Ajax technology, I stumbled across this site: http://www.backb

Re: [Zope3-dev] buildbot warnings in Zope3 trunk 2.4 remy

2005-09-07 Thread Benji York
Lennart Regebro wrote: On 9/7/05, Benji York <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It means a test failed and you should go to http://buildbot.zope.org and find out more. Somebody who understands that display is welcome to write documentation for it, because I can't find it, and it's not exactly obvious

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: A Call for Slaves

2005-09-07 Thread Benji York
Martijn Pieters wrote: As soon as my current project winds down (end of this week) I'd love to set up a few buildbot instances here at Pareto That would be great, especially because we don't have any Debian slaves yet. -- Benji York Senior Software Engineer Zope Corporation ___

[Zope3-dev] Re: Drop-in rich (JS/CSS-dependent) view components: Please review (was Re: Resource Library Proposal)

2005-09-07 Thread Gary Poster
On Sep 7, 2005, at 12:15 PM, Florent Guillaume wrote: Gary Poster wrote: > On Aug 31, 2005, at 3:55 PM, Benji York wrote: >> I've added a proposal for Zope 3.2. Read at http://www.zope.org/ >> Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/ResourceLibrary. >> >> WARNING: zope.org exhibiting some

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Proposed widget/schema work for the Rivah sprint (Thursday and Friday this week)

2005-09-07 Thread Jim Fulton
Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Florent Guillaume wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I think that sources are different than initial value. I really don't see any role that "initial value" has in an object specification. A schema is a specification for an object tha

Re: [Zope3-dev] defaultView cannot take class as for

2005-09-07 Thread Jim Fulton
Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, While the browser:page directive can take a content class for its 'for' attribute (instead of an interface), the browser:defaultView directive doesn't accept this. I tried changing the interface of the defaultView directive so it also accepts classes, but that

[Zope3-dev] defaultView cannot take class as for

2005-09-07 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, While the browser:page directive can take a content class for its 'for' attribute (instead of an interface), the browser:defaultView directive doesn't accept this. I tried changing the interface of the defaultView directive so it also accepts classes, but that by itself does not appe

[Zope3-dev] Re: Proposed widget/schema work for the Rivah sprint (Thursday and Friday this week)

2005-09-07 Thread Jim Fulton
Florent Guillaume wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: But a schema is useful for more than "specifying the values of an object". All notions of schemas I've encountered (CPS Schemas, XML Schemas, Archetypes) use the schema to constrain or validate an existing object, yes, but also to create new objects

Re: Drop-in rich (JS/CSS-dependent) view components: Please review (was Re: [Zope3-dev] Resource Library Proposal)

2005-09-07 Thread Jim Fulton
I'll note that I think this overlaps with Roger's pagelet system. Dealing with resources needed by multiple page components seemed to be a major motivation for pagelets. Jim Gary Poster wrote: Benji posted this last week and we don't have any feedback yet. We would really like some, even if

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Proposed widget/schema work for the Rivah sprint (Thursday and Friday this week)

2005-09-07 Thread Jim Fulton
Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Florent Guillaume wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I think that sources are different than initial value. I really don't see any role that "initial value" has in an object specification. A schema is a specification for an object tha

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Proposed widget/schema work for the Rivah sprint (Thursday and Friday this week)

2005-09-07 Thread Jim Fulton
Gary Poster wrote: On Sep 7, 2005, at 9:13 AM, Florent Guillaume wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I think that sources are different than initial value. I really don't see any role that "initial value" has in an object specification. A schema is a specification for an object that provides the sche

[Zope3-dev] Re: Proposed widget/schema work for the Rivah sprint (Thursday and Friday this week)

2005-09-07 Thread Florent Guillaume
Jim Fulton wrote: But a schema is useful for more than "specifying the values of an object". All notions of schemas I've encountered (CPS Schemas, XML Schemas, Archetypes) use the schema to constrain or validate an existing object, yes, but also to create new objects from scratch (even in the

[Zope3-dev] Re: Proposed widget/schema work for the Rivah sprint (Thursday and Friday this week)

2005-09-07 Thread Jim Fulton
Florent Guillaume wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I think that sources are different than initial value. I really don't see any role that "initial value" has in an object specification. A schema is a specification for an object that provides the schema. An initial value doesn't constrain or specify

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Drop-in rich (JS/CSS-dependent) view components: Please review (was Re: Resource Library Proposal)

2005-09-07 Thread Craeg Strong
This is very interesting to me as well. I am starting a project with the goal of producing a zope3-based web application that makes heavy use of AJAX. --Craeg Gary Poster wrote: > On Aug 31, 2005, at 3:55 PM, Benji York wrote: >> I've added a proposal for Zope 3.2. Read at http://www.zope.or

[Zope3-dev] Re: Drop-in rich (JS/CSS-dependent) view components: Please review (was Re: Resource Library Proposal)

2005-09-07 Thread Florent Guillaume
Gary Poster wrote: > On Aug 31, 2005, at 3:55 PM, Benji York wrote: >> I've added a proposal for Zope 3.2. Read at http://www.zope.org/ >> Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/ResourceLibrary. >> >> WARNING: zope.org exhibiting some serious caching strangeness, so >> please comment on the

[Zope3-dev] Re: Drop-in rich (JS/CSS-dependent) view components: Please review (was Re: Resource Library Proposal)

2005-09-07 Thread Martijn Pieters
Gary Poster wrote: > We think this will allow for a much nicer rich sub-view (i.e., rich > widget, among others) story. We're eager to get some feedback, > including ideas for improvements. +1; I'd rely on this. But the next 5 weeks I have no bandwidth to give the proposal much attention due to e

[Zope3-dev] plan to address the i18n locale timezone problem

2005-09-07 Thread Gary Poster
Awhile ago, someone brought up the fact that Australian timezones were not options in the locale object; I also mentioned that the locale database thought that en_US and en_AU (all en_*, in fact) included Tokyo and Casablanca. I looked at the ICU information, and they suggested that develo

Drop-in rich (JS/CSS-dependent) view components: Please review (was Re: [Zope3-dev] Resource Library Proposal)

2005-09-07 Thread Gary Poster
Benji posted this last week and we don't have any feedback yet. We would really like some, even if it is to ask us to clarify what the heck it is about. Some of our other code that we want to contribute depends on this. The use case for this tool is to allow rich view components, such as

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Proposed widget/schema work for the Rivah sprint (Thursday and Friday this week)

2005-09-07 Thread Gary Poster
On Sep 7, 2005, at 9:59 AM, Janko Hauser wrote: ... But actually this started with the observation that if we keep default, we need something like a dynamic default, not only a fixed value in the schema definition. This happens for example if one wants to set the current date as the default

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope3 and ZEO

2005-09-07 Thread Fred Drake
On 9/7/05, Uwe Oestermeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I dedected another problem: bin/runzeo doesn't start ZEO. > This script calls ZEO/runzeo.py which has a main function but no > > if __name__ == "__main__" : > main() > > at the end. Has this already been fixed in the mentioned internal

Re: [Zope3-dev] buildbot warnings in Zope3 trunk 2.4 remy

2005-09-07 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 9/7/05, Benji York <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It means a test failed and you should go to http://buildbot.zope.org and > find out more. Somebody who understands that display is welcome to write documentation for it, because I can't find it, and it's not exactly obvious. __

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Proposed widget/schema work for the Rivah sprint (Thursday and Friday this week)

2005-09-07 Thread Janko Hauser
Am 07.09.2005 um 15:42 schrieb Tres Seaver: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Florent Guillaume wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I think that sources are different than initial value. I really don't see any role that "initial value" has in an object specification. A schema is a sp

[Zope3-dev] Re: Proposed widget/schema work for the Rivah sprint (Thursday and Friday this week)

2005-09-07 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Florent Guillaume wrote: > Jim Fulton wrote: > >> I think that sources are different than initial value. I really don't >> see any role that "initial value" has in an object specification. >> >> A schema is a specification for an object that provides

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Proposed widget/schema work for the Rivah sprint (Thursday and Friday this week)

2005-09-07 Thread Gary Poster
On Sep 7, 2005, at 9:13 AM, Florent Guillaume wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I think that sources are different than initial value. I really don't see any role that "initial value" has in an object specification. A schema is a specification for an object that provides the schema. An initial valu

[Zope3-dev] Re: Proposed widget/schema work for the Rivah sprint (Thursday and Friday this week)

2005-09-07 Thread Florent Guillaume
Jim Fulton wrote: I think that sources are different than initial value. I really don't see any role that "initial value" has in an object specification. A schema is a specification for an object that provides the schema. An initial value doesn't constrain or specify the object. If anything, i

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3-Users] ODBC database adapter for Zope3?

2005-09-07 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 07 September 2005 08:41, Chris Withers wrote: > I know Zope 2 has the bizarre need for a dual "Zope DA" and "Python DB" > set of things, but do we have to support this pattern in Zope 3? > > Is there any reason the Zope 3 RBD machinery can't just work with ANY > Python DBAPI 2.0 (or wh

[Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3-Users] ODBC database adapter for Zope3?

2005-09-07 Thread Chris Withers
I know Zope 2 has the bizarre need for a dual "Zope DA" and "Python DB" set of things, but do we have to support this pattern in Zope 3? Is there any reason the Zope 3 RBD machinery can't just work with ANY Python DBAPI 2.0 (or whatever..) compatible database library? cheers, Chris Florian

[Zope3-dev] Re: A Call for Slaves

2005-09-07 Thread Martijn Pieters
Benji York wrote: > All you have to do is let us know what version(s) of Zope 3 > (trunk/branch) you are willing to test and what version(s) of Python > you want to test against; install BuildBot (http://buildbot.sf.net); > and connect to the master. As soon as my current project winds down (end o

RE: [Zope3-dev] buildbot warnings in Zope3 trunk 2.4 remy

2005-09-07 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi > Behalf Of Stephan Richter > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:10 PM > To: zope3-dev@zope.org > Subject: Re: [Zope3-dev] buildbot warnings in Zope3 trunk 2.4 remy > > On Wednesday 07 September 2005 07:16, Benji York wrote: > > > I agree. The info could really have some more details, > li

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope3 and ZEO

2005-09-07 Thread Uwe Oestermeier
Tim Peters wrote: >Zope3 3.1's >bin/mkzeoinstance seems to work now, I dedected another problem: bin/runzeo doesn't start ZEO. This script calls ZEO/runzeo.py which has a main function but no if __name__ == "__main__" : main() at the end. Has this already been fixed in the mentioned intern

Re: [Zope3-dev] buildbot warnings in Zope3 trunk 2.4 remy

2005-09-07 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 07 September 2005 07:16, Benji York wrote: > > I agree. The info could really have some more details, like what tests > > failed and their exceptions. > > We can include the complete log of the failing test.  That is currently > several hundred lines.  Perhaps if we turned down the ver

Re: [Zope3-dev] A Call for Slaves

2005-09-07 Thread Fred Drake
On 9/7/05, Benji York <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You might want to disable the ability for anyone on the Internet to > force a build; I know I wasn't comfortable with that option being turned on. Indeed. Even turning it off doesn't prevent it from displaying a (non-working) "Ping Builder" butto

Re: [Zope3-dev] A Call for Slaves

2005-09-07 Thread Benji York
Stefane Fermigier wrote: it's funny that you were setting up a builbot at the same time as me for CPS (which is Zope2-based): You might want to disable the ability for anyone on the Internet to force a build; I know I wasn't comfortable with that option being turned on. Also: I'm only testin

Re: [Zope3-dev] A Call for Slaves

2005-09-07 Thread Benji York
Chris Withers wrote: I'd be up for doing this for Windows, not really surewhat it entails though... This is what you need: * a machine that is always on and has connectivity * Subversion so you can check out the source * Python (2.3 or 2.4) * BuildBot * Twisted (a BuildBot dependency) Whe

Re: [Zope3-dev] A Call for Slaves

2005-09-07 Thread Stefane Fermigier
Hi guys, it's funny that you were setting up a builbot at the same time as me for CPS (which is Zope2-based): http://buildbot.nuxeo.org/ I'm sorry that I can't provide slaves for Zope3, because we already have a shortage of slaves for CPS. Also: I'm only testing on Linux (Debian and Mandri

Re: [Zope3-dev] ZPT modes, content types

2005-09-07 Thread Julien Anguenot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Withers wrote: > Sidnei da Silva wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 09:08:02AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: >> | Sidnei appears to be broken :-( >> | | Any idea how to reach him? >> >> Odd. I've been receiving email normally. > > > Yeah, but I

Re: [Zope3-dev] ZPT modes, content types

2005-09-07 Thread Julien Anguenot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Withers wrote: > Sidnei da Silva wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 09:08:02AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: >> | Sidnei appears to be broken :-( >> | | Any idea how to reach him? >> >> Odd. I've been receiving email normally. > > > Yeah, but I

Re: [Zope3-dev] buildbot warnings in Zope3 trunk 2.4 remy

2005-09-07 Thread Benji York
Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 07 September 2005 04:26, Chris Withers wrote: Can someone explain exactly what this means? ;-) It means a test failed and you should go to http://buildbot.zope.org and find out more. I agree. The info could really have some more details, like what tests

Re: [Zope3-dev] buildbot warnings in Zope3 trunk 2.4 remy

2005-09-07 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 07 September 2005 04:26, Chris Withers wrote: > Can someone explain exactly what this means? ;-) I agree. The info could really have some more details, like what tests failed and their exceptions. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics & Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (P

Re: [Zope3-dev] A Call for Slaves

2005-09-07 Thread Chris Withers
I'd be up for doing this for Windows, not really surewhat it entails though... cheers, Chris Benji York wrote: As a result of the sprint last week, we now have a BuildBot master running (http://buildbot.zope.org/) and are ready to take willing slaves (that is the BuildBot terminology, don't

Re: [Zope3-dev] buildbot warnings in Zope3 trunk 2.4 remy

2005-09-07 Thread Chris Withers
Can someone explain exactly what this means? ;-) Chris zope3-dev@zope.org wrote: The Buildbot has finished a build of Zope3 trunk 2.4 remy. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: The web-page 'force build' button was pressed by '': Build Source Stamp: None Blamelist: Buil

Re: [Zope3-dev] ZPT modes, content types

2005-09-07 Thread Chris Withers
Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 09:08:02AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: | Sidnei appears to be broken :-( | | Any idea how to reach him? Odd. I've been receiving email normally. Yeah, but I've seen this before. The enfold mail server is configured to receive TLS mail but doesn