Hi Edgar,  Is there a need to "understand" what is "pure" and what is 
"consciousness"?  Don't we already had everything within us?  Originally 
pure.  Originally sufficient.  Originally unmovable.   JM

Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Jue Miao,
>
>
> Of course direct experience not words is real Zen. That in fact is 
> what my papers all say though apparently you haven't read them. On 
> this group however we have to use words to communicate. The question 
> then becomes which words are more effective in eliciting or pointing 
> at direct experience? That of course will be different for different 
> people and different circumstances. By understanding what pure 
> consciousness really is and what keeps us from directly experiencing 
> it we can move beyond words to the direct experience itself. 
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote:
>
>> Jody, You are right. The whole is the universal consciousness. All 
>> practices leads to "sync" us with the whole. While someone like Edgar, 
>> may analysis, theorize, understand, so called consciousness (just a 
>> label), or chanting or breathing (just a dharma), surrender all minds, 
>> big or small, rational or otherwise, is the quickest way to be synced 
>> with "whole". Every which other way could be a detour or incomplete. JM
>>
>> Jody W. Ianuzzi wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello Bill,
>> >
>> > As much as I appreciate the Soto Zen methods of meditation, I am also
>> > curious about the Tibetan methods of focusing on an image of 
>> > compassion and
>> > moving towards it. I will use both methods at different times.
>> >
>> > The chant I use is OM MANI PADME HUM. I found that when I learned it's
>> > meaning I appreciated it more. I think that using this chant is like
>> > counting breaths, it keeps your mind from jumping around.
>> >
>> > As I first discovered Buddhism I thought I had to pick which was best, 
>> > now I
>> > feel that Buddhism is Buddhism and all the ways are the same. It's all 
>> > part
>> > of the whole.
>> >
>> > I just appreciate learning something new every day.
>> > JODY
>> >
>> > JODY
>> >
>> > 
>>
>
>  

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