By the way, are you a Roshi or a monk or a sensei? I am sorry that
I may sound disrespectful to you and the other guy (forgot who he
was), but this forum has been in existence around ten years and
there have been a lot of people claiming to be senseis or monks
and sometimes they were not and sometimes they were and
unfortunately they usually had their feelings hurt and left so
whenever I do not see you post I presume you already gave up and
left. Apparently the other guy did as he has not posted in a long
Thank you for giving so much, this is character building though
some call it abuse.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Sick of Flaming
Chan is One, the big One. The One which supports everything
invisible on an equal basis without preference. The fact that each
tree grows differently maybe obvious to our eyes, but the causes of
their differences are difficult to see. Often, instead of
the cause, and causes of causes of their difference, we label these
trees by comparing them and deluded to believe that our labels
Every incident, encounter, formation and phenomenon in our lives
result of some causes, and each cause are often caused by
causes. It is our purpose, as Chan practitioners, to
satisfy/consummate/resolve/ferry each one, such that this karma
propagate. This the "first act of perfection" -- giving. Not judging,
categorizing, filing away, ignoring, but giving.
It is our practice to recognize the variations of cause and effect
learn from them to resolve/satisfy externally as well as make peace
internally, such that our spirituality is strengthened and enhanced.
Lotus does not grow from clean water. The bigger the mud, the bigger
Let us do it together.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The only thing that can be done to stop the flaming is to turn this
> forum into a fully moderated forum in which the moderator - Al -
> and approves postings before allowing them on the forum. Al
> probably block some contributors, but they could get around this
> easily by just registering as a different name.
> A fully moderated forum has a lot of drawbacks:
> - it's a LOT OF WORK for the moderator
> - it slows down posting exchanges
> - it gives the power of censorship to the moderator - which in this
> case is Al, whom I'm comfortable with, but it's always a bone of
> - there are probably more drawbacks that I haven't thought of...
> I think it would be better to keep the forum open and just
> postings yourself - by using your delete key.
> Also, and maybe the best suggestion, is we could all help reduce
> flaming by not responding to flames - which I am guilty of. I do
> because flaming doesn't bother me. Not responding would reduce the
> reason to flame because there would be no indignant reaction to
> the flames.
> What does everyone else think?
> Al, this topic keeps coming up. What do you think?
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> <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Cynthia-Graphic
> Significance Music
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 2:55 AM
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Zen] Sick of Flaming
> I just want the flaming to stop. How can we get that crap off
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