Hi Bill, Can you share with me what have you experienced/witnessed with Only THIS or Just Sit.
Thanks, JM Bill Smart wrote: > > Al, > > Everthing you know and feel is based on belief and faith. Even > science is based on the belief in cause and effect and faith in our > rational capabilities. The belief in enlightenment and the faith > that you can achieve it is what gets you started in zen. It's like > dangling a carrot in front of a horse, or more accurately a picture > of a carrot. > > The concept of enlightenment is indeed an illusion as is testified to > over and over again in zen literature. > > The only thing that is not an illusion is Only THIS (Buddha Nature), > but the only way you can really know that is to experience it. > > And to do that all you need to do is sit (zazen) and allow your > concept of self to melt away. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Fitness63" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From: cid830> We can only follow their teachings if we choose to > accept > > them, regardless of whether or not they actually taught them at > all. > > > > > What we are talking about is the proverbial LEAP OF FAITH that is > required > > for any belief system, and thus zen, like any other religion or > philosophy > > requires that the adherent BELIEVE in what may very well be total > fiction. > > > > So is Maya the illusion, or is the actual illusion that > enlightenment that > > so many strive to achieve and which cannot be objectively measured. > After > > all, when a Roshi says that he is enlightened, all we have is his > word on > > it, and the word of his peers. Can you measure or otherwise prove > > enlightenment? Is enlightenment itself not an Illusion (Maya)? > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
