Also, earlier link did not point to a relevant article.   

Here is A better one:  

http://lancashirecare.wordpress.com/2010/07/12/is-mindfulness-based-therapy-an-effective-intervention-for-obsessive-intrusive-thoughts-a-case-series/

Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
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On Jan 3, 2011, at 20:47, ChrisAustinLane <ch...@austin-lane.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris Austin-Lane
> Sent from a cell phone
> 
> On Jan 3, 2011, at 17:52, Mark Perew <mpe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> For me, the bell timer is an indicator as to how much I was in to my 
>> mediation.  When the bell sounds and I am surprised that it is sounding so 
>> soon, then that is a clue that I was present for my breathing and not for 
>> other things.  
> 
> Ha ha that is funny. It is the complete opposite for
> me!  
> 
> The bell startles me when I have drifted off into distant thoughts. When I am 
> staying aware of right here right now, I am aware when the period is about to 
> end. Even to the point that I will know that this person on my left always 
> moves a hand about three minutes before the period ends, or this bell ringer 
> tenses up a
> good ten seconds before picking up the mallet. 
> 
> At home if I am not fighting sitting, then an insence stick works fine, but 
> usually I am resistant and I use an electronic timer of some sort. 
> 
> I find that while my thoughts will touch on the time, like you say it is no 
> more so than on the other ten thousand things I could get worried about. 
> 
>> 
>> Yes, there are times when my mind wanders off to the bell, wondering when it 
>> will go off.  But that's one of a million places my mind goes.  The bell 
>> itself is no more or less of a distraction than anything else.
>> 
>> 2011/1/3 Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.j...@gmail.com>
>> 
>> 
>> Good Morning Dave P,
>> 
>> Let me explain why "gong" or timer or any external devices are not 
>> recommended for serious Chan practitioners.
>> 
>> Because, when there is external dependency, our mind will be anxious in 
>> waiting for that "gong".  It could be constantly asking itself, "where is 
>> the gong?  when is it going to gong?  Isn't it time yet? Haven't I sit 
>> enough time yet?, etc. etc." 
>> 
>> Sitting by TOTALLY FOLLOW our path of breathing with Back Straight, as per 
>> Mel, for a shorter time is more effective than longer time with only 
>> partially FOLLOW our path of breathing.
>> 
>> Just do it and please don't worry too much of the technicality of our mind.  
>> Meaning follow your heart and not your mind.  You will get better.  
>> 
>> JM
>> Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
>> http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
>> http://www.heartchan.org
>> 
>> On 1/3/2011 6:43 AM, Dave P wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> I wasn't clear about the CD. it is by John Daido loori,               and 
>>> it is a gong followed by 10 minutes of silence completed by another gong. 
>>> 
>>> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 
>>> <chan.j...@...> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Dave P,
>>> > 
>>> > Great. You are willing to give it a try. Here is the link to my 
>>> > previous post on detailed instructions. 
>>> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/message/21977
>>> > 
>>> > The following instructions are non-negotiable.
>>> > 1. Please don't use a CD. No music. No voice. Complete silence is 
>>> > the only way to rest your over-stressed mind.
>>> > 2. Feel and sense the air passing into your nose, then throat, then 
>>> > lunch then your belly. We called it, "follow the path of your breathing."
>>> > 3. Don't worry about the time, do as long as you can. 30 minutes is 
>>> > better, but 10 minutes is fine too. Slowly learn to sit longer. Don't 
>>> > worry if you failed to breath for ten minutes. Neither should you 
>>> > expect to belly breathe for 30 minutes. Just sit quietly FOLLOW the 
>>> > path of your breathing.
>>> > 4. You must commit to do it every day at same time and same place in 
>>> > the morning before breakfast. Not while you are tired or agitated or 
>>> > upset.
>>> > 
>>> > Let me know if you have any questions. Are my instructions clear? Can 
>>> > you commit to do it for a minimum of 30 days?
>>> > 
>>> > JM
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
>>> > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
>>> > http://www.heartchan.org
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > On 1/2/2011 12:21 PM, Dave P wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > 1) Is ten minutes okay? I ask because I already               have a 
>>> > > timed CD with a 
>>> > > 10 minute zazen session.
>>> > > 2) I hope I don't come accross as distrustful of your suggestions! I 
>>> > > have had problems with that on the OCD board.
>>> > > 3) I think I might have lost your instruction. I am aware of breathing 
>>> > > from the diaphram, and have been doing that for               about 
>>> > > three years 
>>> > > rather irregularly.
>>> > >
>>> > > I really hope this doesn't come off as distrustful!
>>> > >
>>> > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, 
>>> > > Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@> wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Dearest Dave,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > When we suffer, one of the symptoms is to be distrustful of every
>>> > > > suggestion, because we have been cheated continuously far too long.
>>> > > > Instead of questioning or thinking.... may I suggest....
>>> > > >
>>> > > > If you could, please take fifteen minutes every day to do belly
>>> > > > breathing for 30 days at same time and same               place by 
>>> > > > following my
>>> > > > instructions from my previous post.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > If you promise that you will commit to belly breathing for 30 days, I
>>> > > > will help by transmit the blessing of GuanYin Bodhisatva to you.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Deal?
>>> > > > JM
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
>>> > > > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
>>> > > > http://www.heartchan.org
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On 1/1/2011 9:39 AM, Dave P wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Here's another dillemma i've had. the idea that everything is under
>>> > > > > control, and the difference between that and choice. There is the
>>> > > > > phrase "pain is inevitable, suffering is optional." I think that 
>>> > > there
>>> > > > > is truth in that, but I still feel that choosing to feel one may
>>> > > > > nmeans that you have to ACT. That your actions have consequences 
>>> > > > > that
>>> > > > > you cannot control, a notion that paralyzes me. Can mindfulness help
>>> > > > > with that? If so, how?
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com 
>>> > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> 
>>> > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
>>> > > > > Jue Miao Jing Ming - 
>>> > > > > 覺妙精æËÅ"Ž <chan.jmjm@> 
>>> > > > > wrote:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Happy New Year Ed,
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Propose another word in place of "mindfulness" is a very 
>>> > > > > > challenging
>>> > > > > > task. Let me explain.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > In the practice and dealing with everyday life, we say "Be aware 
>>> > > but
>>> > > > > not
>>> > > > > > attached to", "focus but not focusing", "observe but not 
>>> > > observing",
>>> > > > > are
>>> > > > > > some of the terms we use while we translate from our Chinese text 
>>> > > > > > to
>>> > > > > > English. In other words, "sync to the universal wisdom at every 
>>> > > moment,
>>> > > > > > and not be attached to the meaning of the phenomena." is the 
>>> > > phrase we
>>> > > > > > need to represent with a single word.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > The most common general terms as a verb in the practice, we use 
>>> > > are "be
>>> > > > > > aware", "sense", "feel", etc. i.e. "sense our breathing", "feel 
>>> > > > > > the
>>> > > > > > chakra". They are usually terms applying also to emotions, 
>>> > > feelings as
>>> > > > > > well as our general overall well being, physical and spiritual. 
>>> > > We can
>>> > > > > > not separate our "true feeling" from our body or mind.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > We are very careful not to consistently use the same word. 
>>> > > Especially
>>> > > > > > the practice to "notice" the conditions of our body, mind and 
>>> > > spirit,
>>> > > > > > could require different verb for a similar function. Chan teaching
>>> > > > > > requires flexibility.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > The purpose of Chan wordings are nothing but to wake up the
>>> > > > > > practitioner, and not to set a path or a rule to follow. After 
>>> > > > > > 5,000
>>> > > > > > words, Diamond Sutra said only one thing, "Whatever you think it 
>>> > > is, it
>>> > > > > > is not. It just is."
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Perhaps a lot of times, I am guilty in becoming lazy and just say,
>>> > > > > > "Shut up, Sit down and Stop thinking."
>>> > > > > > LOL.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
>>> > > > > > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
>>> > > > > > http://www.heartchan.org
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > On 1/1/2011 7:37 AM, ED wrote:
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > JM,
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > What is your proposed definition of 'mindfulness'?
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > --ED
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com 
>>> > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> > > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Jue Miao Jing Ming -
>>> > > > > ÃÆ'¨Â¦ÂºÃÆ'¥Â¦â„¢ÃÆ'§Â²Â¾ÃÆ'¦ËÅ"Ž
>>> > > > > > > <chan.jmjm@> wrote:
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Thank you JDB. Indeed we also teach "emptiness of mind".
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Somehow the western Zen is stuck on the label of "mind" and 
>>> > > would not
>>> > > > > > > let go.ÃÆ'‚ There is even a seminar about the small mind 
>>> > > > > > > and 
>>> > > big mind.
>>> > > > > > > Though all journeys lead to the same place.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > "Mind" is too close to "thinking". It can be easily 
>>> > > misunderstood and
>>> > > > > > > misinterpreted.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > We teach "empty your mind", "enhance your heart". And we 
>>> > > continue to
>>> > > > > > > say "because heart is where we could unify our body, mind and 
>>> > > spirit."
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Somehow, unify our body to the same physical structure as the
>>> > > > > universe
>>> > > > > > > is not emphasized in western Zen.ÃÆ'‚ Most of the 
>>> > > > > > > reading 
>>> > > that I have
>>> > > > > > > encountered with focuses mainly on the mind and its awareness, 
>>> > > not on
>>> > > > > > > the body and little on the spirit.ÃÆ'‚ Though we 
>>> > > > > > > constantly 
>>> > > talked
>>> > > > > about
>>> > > > > > > body, mind and spirit, but in essence, they are one and
>>> > > > > inseparable.ÃÆ'‚
>>> > > > > > > Just like the universe.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > In our school, awareness does not reside in the mind. 
>>> > > Awareness is a
>>> > > > > > > function of our spirit, which reside in our heart.ÃÆ'‚ 
>>> > > "Heart" is not
>>> > > > > > > the organic heart, but our "total well being", our "center" or
>>> > > > > > > "ONE".ÃÆ'‚ Awareness enhancement helps us to be awakened 
>>> > > > > > > to the
>>> > > > > Absolute
>>> > > > > > > Awareness of the universe.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > This brings this post to another question. What does Zen say 
>>> > > about
>>> > > > > our
>>> > > > > > > spirit? Our spiritual levels, our spiritual being, spiritual 
>>> > > karma,
>>> > > > > > > the sixth, seventh and eighth consciousness?
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > After several years with this forum, I have read little about
>>> > > > > these.ÃÆ'‚
>>> > > > > > > In other words, to be enlightened, we need to surpass karmic
>>> > > > > hindrance
>>> > > > > > > of body, mind and spirit. We need to work on all three.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Otherwise, we are just imagining and hoping.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > On this New Year Day, I hope this post is not too 
>>> > > objectionable to
>>> > > > > ALL.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Happy New Year and thank you for your patience and 
>>> > > understanding for
>>> > > > > > > all the years.
>>> > > > > > > JMJM
>>> > > > > > > Head Teacher
>>> > > > > > > Order Of Chan
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
>>> > > > > > > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
>>> > > > > > > http://www.heartchan.org
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > On 12/31/2010 10:12 PM, Rev. Joriki Dat Baker wrote:
>>> > > > > > >> ÃÆ'‚
>>> > > > > > >> Or the emptiness of mind.
>>> > > > > > >> I wonder if something similar could be said about mindfulness.
>>> > > > > > >> "Mindful" in the Western sense seems to be directing your 
>>> > > attention
>>> > > > > > >> in one direction, However, maybe a better translation is "mind
>>> > > > > > >> fullness," as in you experience everything with the fullness 
>>> > > of your
>>> > > > > > >> mind. Or am I way off here? 
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