Re: Interested to join as a developer
Forwarding in case Zim missed this. For the building guide see https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO Andrea. On 26/05/2014 Alexandro Colorado wrote: Hi Zim, please read our intro module on development, check the Build guide so you are more familiar with the way AOO is builted and check our development guide on our wiki. http://wiki.openoffice.org http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-development.html On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 4:49 AM, zim zimuzostan...@gmail.com wrote: Good day, My name is Zimuzo Ezeozue. I'm a Nigerian software developer. Im interested in getting my hands dirty with some open source projects and I find OOo interesting and its something i use often and I'd like to be a contributor. Im proficient in java. I know some python and javascript and a little C++. Thank you - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
About Me (New Volunteer)
Hi, My name is Zim. I'm a Nigerian software developer. Currently an undergraduate student studying Mechanical Engineering. I'm interested in building for AOO for the following reasons: 1. To improve my skills as a developer. 2. Im passionate about the open source community and I would love to be a contributor This is my first attempt at an open source project. I currently work with a startup https://callbase.co/ . I have a personal project i worked on at some time with my brother http://www.nepasituation.com/ . Im proficient in Java. I know a some Python and Javascript. With a little C++. Im eager to hear from someone. Thanks
Re: About Me (New Volunteer)
Im interested in the OpenOffice PyUno bridge On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 8:21 AM, zimuzo ezeozue zimuzostan...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, My name is Zim. I'm a Nigerian software developer. Currently an undergraduate student studying Mechanical Engineering. I'm interested in building for AOO for the following reasons: 1. To improve my skills as a developer. 2. Im passionate about the open source community and I would love to be a contributor This is my first attempt at an open source project. I currently work with a startup https://callbase.co/ . I have a personal project i worked on at some time with my brother http://www.nepasituation.com/ . Im proficient in Java. I know a some Python and Javascript. With a little C++. Im eager to hear from someone. Thanks
Re: About Me (New Volunteer)
That's excellent there are some guides for PyUNO and good tutorials and sample code here: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Python On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 2:38 AM, zimuzo ezeozue zimuzostan...@gmail.comwrote: Im interested in the OpenOffice PyUno bridge On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 8:21 AM, zimuzo ezeozue zimuzostan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, My name is Zim. I'm a Nigerian software developer. Currently an undergraduate student studying Mechanical Engineering. I'm interested in building for AOO for the following reasons: 1. To improve my skills as a developer. 2. Im passionate about the open source community and I would love to be a contributor This is my first attempt at an open source project. I currently work with a startup https://callbase.co/ . I have a personal project i worked on at some time with my brother http://www.nepasituation.com/ . Im proficient in Java. I know a some Python and Javascript. With a little C++. Im eager to hear from someone. Thanks -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614
Re: [DOWNLOAD][PROPOSAL] How to download another version than offered in the green box?
On 23/05/14 22:23, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/20/2014 09:55 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo): Am 05/20/2014 09:27 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 19/05/14 20:58, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/19/2014 09:11 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Marcus (OOo) wrote: This weekend just a little update as I was not able to do more work (healthy problem): http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_droplist.html It's nice! I would say it's almost done. It works correctly for me. Thanks. I got the chance to test on different browsers on Windows 7: - Firefox -- All looks fine, working as expected - IE 10 -- All looks fine, working as expected - Chrome -- No text in DL links but they work OK, incomplete text in sub-green, no links besides the both little icons, doesn't change when different items were chosen - Opera -- No text in DL links but they work OK, incomplete text in sub-green, no links besides the both little icons, doesn't change when different items were chosen And I've no clue for now how it looks like on Firefox and Safari on OS X. mmh, the drop down boxes have still different height and look not so good on Firefox http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/Firefox_downloadbox.png That's strange as with Firefox on Windows and Linux it's fine. And Safari has of course other problems with the button below the boxes http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/Safari_downloadbox.png That looks quite similar to what I've seen with Chrome and Opera. Therefore hopefully the same root cause. I think, it was the same. I've changed one thing in the JS to output the text. And now it works. Tested (via Browsershots.org) with Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera on Linux, Windows, Mac. Unfortunately, there was no IE available. Can someone of you test this please? it looks now ok on Firefox on Mac Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Native Language and Localization pages on cwiki might benefit from some organization
Hello Andrea, *, From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] OK, so you mean: not only mailing list (that are easy to setup, for example a mailing list in German dedicated to events), but also ways to build a community. Here there's almost nothing we can do, say, top-bottom; this must grow from local events. [...] Local activities do not need coordination or approval. When I speak (in Italian) about OpenOffice at some nearby event, I don't ask for approval on the project lists and I simply clarify, at the event, that I'm not officially speaking on behalf of the project. The same holds for you and anyone else. We surely doesn't want to control communication at this level. That is clear, but that 's not exactly what I mean. Yes, a local community must grow themselves, but they need structures within the overall international project. ( I speak in the following about German, but his statement applies to all countries / languages) First: -- There is a difference between the German-speaking community [1] and the German community [2] and the German community does not have a formal structure, such as because the website de.openoffice.org is not the website of the German community but only the German translation of the international website. What is missing is the function as a part of the structure of the project. There, for example, missing official local representatives (in OOo these were the co-leads). [1] these are people speak German, but do not work locally (for example developers) [2] these are people who work mainly locally In the simplest case could be members of the AOO PMC additionally assume this function, but that will not work well because local representative is a full-time job. A good developer does not have the time for it. I think we need to ask ourselves these questions of local structures and _long-term_ need to create such structures. Second: --- I join (mutatis mutandis) to the what Alexandro says: LibreOffice is way ahead of us in these things and they are it's a question of organization, manpower and money. In my work for OOo I know this is manpower important than money, but it depends on the right combination of money and manpower, both in software development as well as the local marketing work. They evolved with a totally different structure. This looks very bad and must be fixed. The most reasonable way to me seems that we will have a common part (English original, replicate for other languages; this includes the layout) and a specific part where materials in native language will be shown, specific to each language (documentation in native language, announces about local events... OK there's a mixup between languages and countries but you get the idea). That's clear, but please look practice. It is to say, a difference that _should be_ a English original there or it _must be_ a English original there. In the worst case, the requirement may, after an English original cause, the volunteers do without your help. Why? Look at me, I am a professional expert on OpenOffice and it is easy for me a ten-page article (in German) to write about the Extension Manager. The same article, however, in English is very difficult for me. Nothing prevents you from linking to a third party forum, especially if we don't have an official resource. OK. (Maybe we'll want to check trademarks usage there, but this is another issue). Yes, clear. We don't have that budget available now. We do have a budget for OpenOffice events, but it is a one-time budget from which I expect we may spend a few thousands Euros/dollars per year. But in the next weeks we will probably see changes about targeted donations (now not used at Apache): this may allow to start dedicated fundraising campaigns if we find it useful to do so. I think there is in practice a major problem, namely the donors want to donate directly to work on Open Office and not for Apache in general. It might be helpful for us if we would understand this concern for donors and for opportunities would open up. I am, for example, believe that we could get enough donations for Open Office in Germany to fund our local work and that could be used for general purposes of Apache at the same time still have money left over. But we need clear agreements for it, because of course the donors want their donation is tax deductible, and that's a question of local law. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Native Language and Localization pages on cwiki might benefit from some organization
On 26 May 2014 10:37, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: Hello Andrea, *, From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] OK, so you mean: not only mailing list (that are easy to setup, for example a mailing list in German dedicated to events), but also ways to build a community. Here there's almost nothing we can do, say, top-bottom; this must grow from local events. [...] Local activities do not need coordination or approval. When I speak (in Italian) about OpenOffice at some nearby event, I don't ask for approval on the project lists and I simply clarify, at the event, that I'm not officially speaking on behalf of the project. The same holds for you and anyone else. We surely doesn't want to control communication at this level. That is clear, but that 's not exactly what I mean. Yes, a local community must grow themselves, but they need structures within the overall international project. ( I speak in the following about German, but his statement applies to all countries / languages) First: -- There is a difference between the German-speaking community [1] and the German community [2] and the German community does not have a formal structure, such as because the website de.openoffice.org is not the website of the German community but only the German translation of the international website. What is missing is the function as a part of the structure of the project. There, for example, missing official local representatives (in OOo these were the co-leads). [1] these are people speak German, but do not work locally (for example developers) [2] these are people who work mainly locally In the simplest case could be members of the AOO PMC additionally assume this function, but that will not work well because local representative is a full-time job. A good developer does not have the time for it. I think we need to ask ourselves these questions of local structures and _long-term_ need to create such structures. Second: --- I join (mutatis mutandis) to the what Alexandro says: LibreOffice is way ahead of us in these things and they are it's a question of organization, manpower and money. In my work for OOo I know this is manpower important than money, but it depends on the right combination of money and manpower, both in software development as well as the local marketing work. They evolved with a totally different structure. This looks very bad and must be fixed. The most reasonable way to me seems that we will have a common part (English original, replicate for other languages; this includes the layout) and a specific part where materials in native language will be shown, specific to each language (documentation in native language, announces about local events... OK there's a mixup between languages and countries but you get the idea). That's clear, but please look practice. It is to say, a difference that _should be_ a English original there or it _must be_ a English original there. In the worst case, the requirement may, after an English original cause, the volunteers do without your help. Why? Look at me, I am a professional expert on OpenOffice and it is easy for me a ten-page article (in German) to write about the Extension Manager. The same article, however, in English is very difficult for me. Nothing prevents you from linking to a third party forum, especially if we don't have an official resource. OK. (Maybe we'll want to check trademarks usage there, but this is another issue). Yes, clear. We don't have that budget available now. We do have a budget for OpenOffice events, but it is a one-time budget from which I expect we may spend a few thousands Euros/dollars per year. But in the next weeks we will probably see changes about targeted donations (now not used at Apache): this may allow to start dedicated fundraising campaigns if we find it useful to do so. I think there is in practice a major problem, namely the donors want to donate directly to work on Open Office and not for Apache in general. It might be helpful for us if we would understand this concern for donors and for opportunities would open up. I am, for example, believe that we could get enough donations for Open Office in Germany to fund our local work and that could be used for general purposes of Apache at the same time still have money left over. But we need clear agreements for it, because of course the donors want their donation is tax deductible, and that's a question of local law. We need to be very careful here. I dont know the german laws, but in many countries a donation is only tax deductible if given to a non-profit foundation (like apache), as soon as the money is earmarked targeted they are not considered given to the foundation and therefore not deductible. The background for it is very clear, the tax offices dont want
[Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
Hello, I suggest on the website https://forum.openoffice.org/ the following text to add: DE es gibt es bisher kein deutschsprachiges Unterforum, wir empfehlen die Nutzung des externen deutschen Forums http://de.openoffice.info; (translation: DE there is so far no German speaking sub-forum, we recommend the use of the external German Forum http://de.openoffice.info;) *If there was no opposition in the next 3 days, I will carry out the proposed changes.* Justification: It's bad the German-speaking users do not have a German board, but it is reality. Therefore it is better to link to an external resource, but to let the users with their questions alone. Andrea told me that this type of linking is a permissible way. Notes: (a) This link will only be temporary until we have a German forum area itself. (b) On http://de.openoffice.info many years we have clearly identified that there is an independent forum: http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?f=3t=12975 Thus, misunderstandings are likely to be excluded. (c) I am myself since 8 years one of the moderators of http://de.openoffice.info (my nickname in the Forum is Stephan), I can guarantee for the respectability of the forum. Greeting, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
Just one question: why not embed this forum in forum.openoffice.org/de? de.openoffice.info run with PhpBB 3. So a transfert should be easy. - Mail original - De: Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de À: dev@openoffice.apache.org Envoyé: Lundi 26 Mai 2014 11:29:32 Objet: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum Hello, I suggest on the website https://forum.openoffice.org/ the following text to add: DE es gibt es bisher kein deutschsprachiges Unterforum, wir empfehlen die Nutzung des externen deutschen Forums http://de.openoffice.info; (translation: DE there is so far no German speaking sub-forum, we recommend the use of the external German Forum http://de.openoffice.info;) *If there was no opposition in the next 3 days, I will carry out the proposed changes.* Justification: It's bad the German-speaking users do not have a German board, but it is reality. Therefore it is better to link to an external resource, but to let the users with their questions alone. Andrea told me that this type of linking is a permissible way. Notes: (a) This link will only be temporary until we have a German forum area itself. (b) On http://de.openoffice.info many years we have clearly identified that there is an independent forum: http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?f=3t=12975 Thus, misunderstandings are likely to be excluded. (c) I am myself since 8 years one of the moderators of http://de.openoffice.info (my nickname in the Forum is Stephan), I can guarantee for the respectability of the forum. Greeting, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Native Language and Localization pages on cwiki might benefit from some organization
From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] We need to be very careful here. I dont know the german laws, but in many countries a donation is only tax deductible if given to a non-profit foundation (like apache), as soon as the money is earmarked targeted they are not considered given to the foundation and therefore not deductible. The background for it is very clear, the tax offices dont want companies to start a project within a non-profit foundation, and thereby get immediate tax release (donation is released same year as given). If a company does development it is considered an invested and the tax release comes over typically 3-5 years. You are absolutely right . It is needless to mention at the moment details, because I did not intend with my suggestion that we should do something in the short term . I myself am but well informed about these legal issues because they concerned us at the German OOo-community and because we are familiar in the third party project http://www.prooo-box.org with it. In addition, I would point out that we in the AOO community also have a right German attorney, Michael (its committer id is mikeadvo). Gretings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
On 26 May 2014 11:29, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: Hello, I suggest on the website https://forum.openoffice.org/ the following text to add: DE es gibt es bisher kein deutschsprachiges Unterforum, wir empfehlen die Nutzung des externen deutschen Forums http://de.openoffice.info; (translation: DE there is so far no German speaking sub-forum, we recommend the use of the external German Forum http://de.openoffice.info;) *If there was no opposition in the next 3 days, I will carry out the proposed changes.* +1 Justification: It's bad the German-speaking users do not have a German board, but it is reality. Therefore it is better to link to an external resource, but to let the users with their questions alone. Andrea told me that this type of linking is a permissible way. Notes: (a) This link will only be temporary until we have a German forum area itself. (b) On http://de.openoffice.info many years we have clearly identified that there is an independent forum: http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?f=3t=12975 Thus, misunderstandings are likely to be excluded. (c) I am myself since 8 years one of the moderators of http://de.openoffice.info (my nickname in the Forum is Stephan), I can guarantee for the respectability of the forum. Greeting, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
-Original Message- From: FR web forum [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] Subject: Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum Just one question: why not embed this forum in forum.openoffice.org/de? de.openoffice.info run with PhpBB 3. So a transfert should be easy. Because we are an independent forum and want to stay that way. We have also maintained our independence against OOo and LO and we would not have done if we were now a part of LO. I think AOO has a right over his interests to decide, we (de.openoffice.info) but also on our. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
I suggest on the website https://forum.openoffice.org/ the following text to add: DE es gibt es bisher kein deutschsprachiges Unterforum, wir empfehlen die Nutzung des externen deutschen Forums http://de.openoffice.info; (translation: DE there is so far no German speaking sub-forum, we recommend the use of the external German Forum http://de.openoffice.info;) *If there was no opposition in the next 3 days, I will carry out the proposed changes.* +1 -- Sent from MetroMail
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
On Mon, 26 May 2014 11:52:36 +0200 Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote: -Original Message- From: FR web forum [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] Subject: Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum Just one question: why not embed this forum in forum.openoffice.org/de? de.openoffice.info run with PhpBB 3. So a transfert should be easy. Because we are an independent forum and want to stay that way. We have also maintained our independence against OOo and LO and we would not have done if we were now a part of LO. I think AOO has a right over his interests to decide, we (de.openoffice.info) but also on our. Greetings, Jörg The en-Forum faced the same problem and I think is happy on the Apache servers. I suggest you contact Hagar offlist and have a talk with him. -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie] The en-Forum faced the same problem and I think is happy on the Apache servers. I suggest you contact Hagar offlist and have a talk with him. Thank you, but we are an independent forum and want to stay that. We do not require any technical support (eg Server) from Apache. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
On 26/05/14 11:52, Jörg Schmidt wrote: -Original Message- From: FR web forum [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] Subject: Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum Just one question: why not embed this forum in forum.openoffice.org/de? de.openoffice.info run with PhpBB 3. So a transfert should be easy. Because we are an independent forum and want to stay that way. We have also maintained our independence against OOo and LO and we would not have done if we were now a part of LO. I think AOO has a right over his interests to decide, we (de.openoffice.info) but also on our. And it is the wrong direction from my point of view and even the domain name is critical. Are you sure that is allowed to use this Url without permission form Apache. Juergen Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
Hello Jörg! Am 26.05.2014 11:29, schrieb Jörg Schmidt: I suggest on the website https://forum.openoffice.org/ the following text to add: DE es gibt es bisher kein deutschsprachiges Unterforum, wir empfehlen die Nutzung des externen deutschen Forums http://de.openoffice.info; (translation: DE there is so far no German speaking sub-forum, we recommend the use of the external German Forum http://de.openoffice.info;) *If there was no opposition in the next 3 days, I will carry out the proposed changes.* It is bad that there is no DE subforum. But linking to http://de.openoffice.info is a bit problematic in my opinion. The reason is the combination of OOo and LO; it is not a main AOO forum. I'm not against to support AOO and LO in one place. But from the point of view of the project AOO there should be a stringent separation between this two apart drifting projects. The user must understand that LOAOO and the space between will get bigger. Each project have its own Bugzilla. And especially AOO Bugzilla doesn't need more bug reports and bug comments which LO belongs to. But this is only my opinion. Regards, Mathias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Tracking bugs like Issue 124985 - [Meta] Meta Bug for collecting bugs which appeal for AOO 4.1.x
Hi, my experience is that such tracking bugs are not useful. The time invested in adding dependencies (what is rather uncertain, who can know how many bugs are missing and on what facts the various contributors added the bugs to the Meta) should be invested (with much more benefit) into careful review of the related BZ bugs and completion of information in the BZ bugs. An example: Issue 124891 - CRASH when close sidebar with Navigator active https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124891 I found that one with importance Normal, what is rather inappropriate, that one has blocker quality. Such a report should get an appropriate importance rating, that's enough. If all info in the reports is up to date a simple query replaces the Meta Bug. And why is Issue 124947 - Fullscreen Filter Freeze blocking the meta bug? Currently we know nothing, it's unconfirmed ... Issue 114361 - Read Error with embedded images after saving in Writer appeared with 3.2, why is this listed in a 4.1 related tracking bug? And so on. I recommend not to create tracking bugs what can be replaced easily by queries and if there is no evidence that they are necessary for the bug fixing process. And if there is a decision that the tracking bug should be created please follow Best regards Rainer Hyperlinks: [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?bug_severity=blockerbug_severity=criticalbug_severity=majorbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=CONFIRMEDbug_status=ACCEPTEDbug_status=REOPENEDf3=OPf4=versionf5=versionf6=CPf8=cf_bug_typej3=ORlist_id=149754o4=regexpo5=regexpo8=equalspriority=P1priority=P2query_format=advancedv4=^4.1v5=^4.2v8=DEFECT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
Jörg Schmidt wrote: I suggest on the website https://forum.openoffice.org/ the following text to add: DE es gibt es bisher kein deutschsprachiges Unterforum, wir empfehlen die Nutzung des externen deutschen Forums http://de.openoffice.info; (translation: DE there is so far no German speaking sub-forum, we recommend the use of the external German Forum http://de.openoffice.info;) I must clarify what I wrote. I meant it's fine to link to third-party resources from the DE website, I didn't have the forum homepage in mind; and I now see that indeed this is done at http://www.openoffice.org/de/foren.html reachable from the DE homepage after clicking on the support option. So, without adding any new external links, I'd recommend we do the following instead: edit https://forum.openoffice.org/ so that it has the additional record (to be translated to German): DE - Third party forums in German and it links to http://www.openoffice.org/de/foren.html where you can give more explanations if needed, or rearrange the listing or whatever. *If there was no opposition in the next 3 days, I will carry out the proposed changes.* You can't change https://forum.openoffice.org/ since that homepage (a plain HTML/PHP file) is maintained directly on the forum servers. Anyway, since it's just a text+link performing the change is not so bad once we have agreement. On http://de.openoffice.info many years we have clearly identified that there is an independent forum: The official forum is independent too, in the sense that it offers support for OpenOffice and derivatives (it's in the forum header, just open https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ ) without making preferences: users are equal. Two things that are not covered here are: - as I wrote yesterday, we'll need to discuss trademarks usage on openoffice.info (this is also a reason why I'm opposing that we add a direct link from the Forum homepage to that specific third-party service); this can be addressed later and on the appropriate channels. - a possible migration so that the two forums are hosted on the same platform: if on one side you don't need help with PHPBB administration, on the other side the official forum may use some system administration help! So there are still some gains in joining efforts. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Tracking bugs like Issue 124985 - [Meta] Meta Bug for collecting bugs which appeal for AOO 4.1.x
On 26.05.2014 13:14, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: my experience is that such tracking bugs are not useful. The time invested in adding dependencies (what is rather uncertain, who can know how many bugs are missing and on what facts the various contributors added the bugs to the Meta) should be invested (with much more benefit) into careful review of the related BZ bugs and completion of information in the BZ bugs. I disagree that they are useless. As long as we're not sure if or when we should do a 4.1.1 and what changes could get into it such a meta-issue gives an easy overview of the candidates and their status: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/showdependencytree.cgi?id=124985hide_resolved=0 If we decide to make a bugfix release then the appropriate milestone target and its release-blocker flag will be created. Once the issue candidates have been reviewed and their bug fields (target and blocker) have been adjusted only then the meta-bug becomes irrelevant. But up to that point it is a good tracking mechanism with global visibility, clear accountability of who suggested what and direct links to the candidate issues. I recommend not to create tracking bugs what can be replaced easily by queries and if there is no evidence that they are necessary for the bug fixing process. And if there is a decision that the tracking bug should be created please follow [...] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?bug_severity=blockerbug_severity=criticalbug_severity=majorbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=CONFIRMEDbug_status=ACCEPTEDbug_status=REOPENEDf3=OPf4=versionf5=versionf6=CPf8=cf_bug_typej3=ORlist_id=149754o4=regexpo5=regexpo8=equalspriority=P1priority=P2query_format=advancedv4=^4.1v5=^4.2v8=DEFECT Currently this query just yields bug 124891 which indeed looks like a good candidate. I suggest to FUP this discussion on the q...@openoffice.apache.org list. Herbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
In other way, if we propose to create a new NL forum, can we do it? One year ago, we should have a Portugese forum: https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg06330.html As yet nothing has been done. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
From: Mathias Röllig [mailto:mroellig.n...@gmx.net] It is bad that there is no DE subforum. But linking to http://de.openoffice.info is a bit problematic in my opinion. The reason is the combination of OOo and LO; it is not a main AOO forum. And where is the apache rule that says that? I'm not against to support AOO and LO in one place. But from the point of view of the project AOO there should be a stringent separation between this two apart drifting projects. That is imho not true. Whenever I read discussions on this, it is emphasized that there should be the widest possible cooperation between AOO and LO. It is only a few months ago that I heard by a third party that Jürgen (Schmidt) was commended for which he has represented precisely this opinion in a public lecture, or does not correspond to the facts? The user must understand that LOAOO and the space between will get bigger. Oh, _i_ think the user must understand that AOO and LO are both free software. And I say this even though I am critic of the TDF. But to be critics of the TDF, it means not to be critics of LO. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
Hi there, We all could see that met my suggestion to the resistance of three community members (thank you to Andrea, Jürgen and Mathias For their opinions), so I'm _not_ going to implement my proposal. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DOWNLOAD][PROPOSAL] How to download another version than offered in the green box?
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Marcus (OOo) wrote: [...] http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/ index_droplist.html [...] Unfortunately, there was no IE available. Can someone of you test this please? Win, IE10 – looks fine; Win, Chrome – almost fine: missing triangle buttons from select boxes, so people can't distinguish they can choose something else. Great work, Marcus, Tal
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
On 26/05/14 16:34, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hi there, We all could see that met my suggestion to the resistance of three community members (thank you to Andrea, Jürgen and Mathias For their opinions), so I'm _not_ going to implement my proposal. well I expressed my opinion only, I am always a friend to use the forum we have at Apache now. Means one entry point. And I still believe that the Url is critical even it was registered in 2003. But well it exists for such a long time and as long it is not misused. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] We all could see that met my suggestion to the resistance of three community members (thank you to Andrea, Jürgen and Mathias For their opinions), so I'm _not_ going to implement my proposal. well I expressed my opinion only, absolutely no problem, I have use the method Lazy Consensus and I got contradiction, so my suggestion is off the table. I am always a friend to use the forum we have at Apache now. and there is no German-language forum, but that seems to be no problem for you. For us as a project and our German users this is a 'lose-lose-situation' ... I spare myself any further word ... Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: buildbot success in ASF Buildbot on openoffice-linux64-nightly
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Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] I must clarify what I wrote. I meant it's fine to link to third-party resources from the DE website, I didn't have the forum homepage in mind; OK and I now see that indeed this is done at http://www.openoffice.org/de/foren.html reachable from the DE homepage after clicking on the support option. Yes, it is a old website So, without adding any new external links, I'd recommend we do the following instead: edit https://forum.openoffice.org/ so that it has the additional record (to be translated to German): DE - Third party forums in German I would love to, no problem. I just thought the phrase external is not to be misunderstood, but we can of course write third party. You can't change https://forum.openoffice.org/ since that homepage (a plain HTML/PHP file) is maintained directly on the forum servers. I did not know. But I think it does not matter, because I have withdrawn my suggestion anyway. On http://de.openoffice.info many years we have clearly identified that there is an independent forum: The official forum is independent too, in the sense that it offers support for OpenOffice and derivatives this was not my definition of independent, but what I meant was not it part of a particular project is. It's not important, I just wanted to clarify what I meant. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
It is bad that there is no DE subforum. But linking to http://de.openoffice.info is a bit problematic in my opinion. The reason is the combination of OOo and LO; it is not a main AOO forum. And where is the apache rule that says that? My opinion isn't an Apache rule. And vice versa. I'm not against to support AOO and LO in one place. But from the point of view of the project AOO there should be a stringent separation between this two apart drifting projects. That is imho not true. Whenever I read discussions on this, it is emphasized that there should be the widest possible cooperation between AOO and LO. Read the first sentence of the paragraph above. That anybody or any site supports the software AOO and LO has nothing to do with a cooperation between the projects AOO and LO. It is only a few months ago that I heard by a third party that Jürgen (Schmidt) was commended for which he has represented precisely this opinion in a public lecture, or does not correspond to the facts? I'm not Jürgen. The user must understand that LOAOO and the space between will get bigger. Oh, _i_ think the user must understand that AOO and LO are both free software. And I say this even though I am critic of the TDF. But to be critics of the TDF, it means not to be critics of LO. Yes, but this is not against my opinion. It is only a possible addition. But maybe I should clarify that I meant the distance between the the software AOO and LO. And that a problem with the software should be reported at the right place. Regards, Mathias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: buildbot success in ASF Buildbot on openoffice-linux64-nightly
Try dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org Sorry only helping. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 26/05/2014 12:43, Keyter, Petrus wrote: Unsubscrive -Original Message- From: build...@apache.org [mailto:build...@apache.org] Sent: 26 May 2014 10:42 AM To: comm...@openoffice.apache.org Subject: buildbot success in ASF Buildbot on openoffice-linux64-nightly The Buildbot has detected a passing build on builder openoffice-linux64-nightly while building ASF Buildbot. Full details are available at: http://ci.apache.org/builders/openoffice-linux64-nightly/builds/29 Buildbot URL: http://ci.apache.org/ Buildslave for this Build: tethys_ubuntu Build Reason: The Nightly scheduler named 'openoffice-linux64-nightly' triggered this build Build Source Stamp: [branch openoffice/trunk] HEAD Blamelist: Build succeeded! sincerely, -The Buildbot To read FirstRand Bank's Disclaimer for this email click on the following address or copy into your Internet browser: https://www.fnb.co.za/disclaimer.html If you are unable to access the Disclaimer, send a blank e-mail to firstrandbankdisclai...@fnb.co.za and we will send you a copy of the Disclaimer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Tracking bugs like Issue 124985 - [Meta] Meta Bug for collecting bugs which appeal for AOO 4.1.x
Hi Herbert, I think we have some misunderstanding here. It's an essential that information should be consistent at any place for Bugzilla. Here an overview concerning priority /severity of the issues listed in the meta-issue; ! Critical major normaltrivial ! Total ---!-!-- P1 !1 . . . ! 1 P2 !. . . 1 ! 1 P3 !. 4 5 . ! 9 ---!-!-- Tot!1 4 5 1 ! 11 So my question is why Issue 114361 with severity trivial has been considered by godlike decision (there is no reasoning, neither in Issue 124985 nor in Issue 114361) so serious that it has been added added to the meta bug? With some minimum carefulness the severity would have been rised to major or more, the dataloss keyword would have been added, so that the decision will be comprehensible. I did that now in Issue 114361 Common known characteristics of unresolved Issue 124985 blocking Bug reports you find in Report [1] (More than 3400). So the question is why have 11 been picked as blocker for the meta issue, but more of 3400 not [2]? With some minimum corrections for the criteria of possible Meta bug blockers I can reduce the number by 90% [3] [4] Sorts these issues by priority /severity, the 12 with critical + P2 need some urgent review as I did for Issue 118725 - images dropped by random https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118725 Issue 122780 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122780 and others And so on. Such systematic working is the only way for real progress. If after some work we have valid data in the bug reports Meta Bugs indeed can be useful to show up dependencies and relations what are not simply visible in the bug reports. For anything else queries like https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamedlist_id=149854namedcmd=Potential411Blockers (shared with registered users) are much more powerful, especially in projects with bigger community than AOO and much bug tracker activity (20 reports per day, not only 2). Best regards Rainer - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DOWNLOAD][PROPOSAL] How to download another version than offered in the green box?
Am 05/26/2014 04:34 PM, schrieb Tal Daniel: On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Marcus (OOo) wrote: [...] http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/ index_droplist.html [...] Unfortunately, there was no IE available. Can someone of you test this please? Win, IE10 – looks fine; Great. Win, Chrome – almost fine: missing triangle buttons from select boxes, so people can't distinguish they can choose something else. I've already added a respective text directly above the select boxes - hoping that it's OK for the moment. Great work, Marcus, Thanks for your feedback. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DOWNLOAD][PROPOSAL] How to download another version than offered in the green box?
Am 05/26/2014 10:25 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 23/05/14 22:23, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/20/2014 09:55 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo): Am 05/20/2014 09:27 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 19/05/14 20:58, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/19/2014 09:11 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Marcus (OOo) wrote: This weekend just a little update as I was not able to do more work (healthy problem): http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_droplist.html It's nice! I would say it's almost done. It works correctly for me. Thanks. I got the chance to test on different browsers on Windows 7: - Firefox -- All looks fine, working as expected - IE 10 -- All looks fine, working as expected - Chrome -- No text in DL links but they work OK, incomplete text in sub-green, no links besides the both little icons, doesn't change when different items were chosen - Opera -- No text in DL links but they work OK, incomplete text in sub-green, no links besides the both little icons, doesn't change when different items were chosen And I've no clue for now how it looks like on Firefox and Safari on OS X. mmh, the drop down boxes have still different height and look not so good on Firefox http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/Firefox_downloadbox.png That's strange as with Firefox on Windows and Linux it's fine. And Safari has of course other problems with the button below the boxes http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/Safari_downloadbox.png That looks quite similar to what I've seen with Chrome and Opera. Therefore hopefully the same root cause. I think, it was the same. I've changed one thing in the JS to output the text. And now it works. Tested (via Browsershots.org) with Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera on Linux, Windows, Mac. Unfortunately, there was no IE available. Can someone of you test this please? it looks now ok on Firefox on Mac thanks, that's good to know as I have no idea why this could be different with Firefox on Linux and Mac. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: How to update, commit and publish only a single file/directory? [WAS: Re: need wiki help]
Am 05/19/2014 09:17 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo): Am 05/19/2014 09:51 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 29/04/2014 Marcus (OOo) wrote: The main point is *where you are* in the CMS Browse View when you click on the Update link. I tried several times, but I'm not sure it works for me. Maybe it works if we see update as update this directory. Example to update and publish only a file: 1. In your browser open, e.g., www.openoffice.org/my-dir/my-subdir/index.html. 2. Open the CMS via the bookmarklet. 3. Click on the link [Edit] in the row of the index.html file. 4. Click on the link [Update]. 5. Do your changes in the file. 6. Commit your changes. 7. On the following page click on the link [Publish]. In the last days I tried to do this for the main index.html page and for the download/devbuilds.html page. I commit to SVN directly (so I don't use the CMS for editing pages), but the rest works as you describe. So I browse to download/ in the CMS and when I update it downloads my changed devbuilds.html page and nothing else. But then, when I publish, if I Then you have update the *complete directory* but *not the single file*. OK, I'll do it again: 1. Open w.oo.o/index.html 2. Login via CMS bookmarklet 3. Click on [Edit] in the row for index.html 4. Click on [Update] on the top 5. Only this file was updated 6. click View diff I see all the changes in download. So maybe committing through SVN means that I'm forced to update the directory, and thus if I change the main index.html file I must publish the whole site, and if I change devbuilds.html I must publish the whole subtree (download/) containing it? In that setup, indeed I wasn't able to find a command like Update this file only. No, SVN is outside of this. I do it like you. It's like I wrote on the top: The main point is *where you are* in the CMS Browse View when you click on the Update link. That means: When you are in a directory, e.g., download/ and click on Update then you get every new thing of this directory. But when a single file, e.g., devbuild.html is shown and you click on the Update link then only this file is updated and nothing else. Please can you try it and confirm? had you already a chance to retry? Thanks Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
Top posting. What a very interesting discussion! For the record, the link to the German forum is in the Survival Guide of the forum since quite the beginning: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50t=166#p716 I agree, we should add the link on the landing page (which has still an old logo BTW). Adding something like (3rd party) would be fine. We had already asked the German moderators (a long time ago) if they were interested in joining the EN and the other locales. But they declined so we never asked again since. Note that the independence of the (EN) forum is a basic that was agreed on from the very beginning. LibO is still in the banner. The orientation depends a lot on the contributors. On the EN forum, there are much more AOO users than LibO but it doesn't mean that we don't reply LibO questions. We raised this point (support for AOO vs. LibO) once among Volunteers and the conclusion was that for the moment, the code was similar enough between both suites and it was relevant to reply both types of questions. Hagar Le 26/05/2014 13:24, Andrea Pescetti a écrit : Jörg Schmidt wrote: I suggest on the website https://forum.openoffice.org/ the following text to add: DE es gibt es bisher kein deutschsprachiges Unterforum, wir empfehlen die Nutzung des externen deutschen Forums http://de.openoffice.info; (translation: DE there is so far no German speaking sub-forum, we recommend the use of the external German Forum http://de.openoffice.info;) I must clarify what I wrote. I meant it's fine to link to third-party resources from the DE website, I didn't have the forum homepage in mind; and I now see that indeed this is done at http://www.openoffice.org/de/foren.html reachable from the DE homepage after clicking on the support option. So, without adding any new external links, I'd recommend we do the following instead: edit https://forum.openoffice.org/ so that it has the additional record (to be translated to German): DE - Third party forums in German and it links to http://www.openoffice.org/de/foren.html where you can give more explanations if needed, or rearrange the listing or whatever. *If there was no opposition in the next 3 days, I will carry out the proposed changes.* You can't change https://forum.openoffice.org/ since that homepage (a plain HTML/PHP file) is maintained directly on the forum servers. Anyway, since it's just a text+link performing the change is not so bad once we have agreement. On http://de.openoffice.info many years we have clearly identified that there is an independent forum: The official forum is independent too, in the sense that it offers support for OpenOffice and derivatives (it's in the forum header, just open https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ ) without making preferences: users are equal. Two things that are not covered here are: - as I wrote yesterday, we'll need to discuss trademarks usage on openoffice.info (this is also a reason why I'm opposing that we add a direct link from the Forum homepage to that specific third-party service); this can be addressed later and on the appropriate channels. - a possible migration so that the two forums are hosted on the same platform: if on one side you don't need help with PHPBB administration, on the other side the official forum may use some system administration help! So there are still some gains in joining efforts. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: How to update, commit and publish only a single file/directory? [WAS: Re: need wiki help]
Marcus (OOo) wrote: But when a single file, e.g., devbuild.html is shown and you click on the Update link then only this file is updated and nothing else. Please can you try it and confirm? had you already a chance to retry? I believe Joe made it clear that this won't work either. To be precise, I read his mail in this discussion as when you publish, you always publish the whole thing since we have one workspace per user (and this would be OK as per your interpretation/instructions), but after committing things go to one staging server (a single server shared among everybody, so my changes and your changes get mixed there already) and publishing will copy pages from that single staging server to the single production server. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
It was only my opinion about adding a link for German users, that's all. Now, if you think that it's not worth the energy discussing this, no problem, let's forget about that. NB: I did not give my opinion to speak for other forums, it was for German users who may come to the landing page and could think that there is no DE forum. I guess that you were not one of the moderators contacted by the EN forum, I can look for the details if needed. Well, since I don't have any influence on the landing page anyway, I'll leave this discussion as it is. Hagar Le 26/05/2014 22:26, Jörg Schmidt a écrit : From: Hagar Delest [mailto:hagar.del...@laposte.net] For the record, the link to the German forum is in the Survival Guide of the forum since quite the beginning: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50t=166#p716 I agree, we should add the link on the landing page (which has still an old logo BTW). Adding something like (3rd party) would be fine. We had already asked the German moderators (a long time ago) I am one of the moderators and that since about 2005, no one has asked me. And my position is clear: the forum is independent and will remain so. independently means independent from other projects. We are not part of OOo, not of LO and not of AOO, we are just software users to each other answer questions, and that works well for 10 years and it will stay. I do not understand the problem, I made a proposal, this proposal has been criticized, and because it was about Lazy Consensus that is my proposal is rejected. That's no problem for me, that's only a matter of different opinions and that is okay. However, it is not the topic here to discuss what external forums want, just as we have to discuss here what rules apply for wikipedia. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
Hello, From: Hagar Delest [mailto:hagar.del...@laposte.net] Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 10:39 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum It was only my opinion about adding a link for German users, that's all. Now, if you think that it's not worth the energy discussing this, no problem, let's forget about that. Sorry, I think this is a misunderstanding. A link would be good, but _only_ a link. I myself have even asked for a link (or wanted to insert itself) but I've got a discussion on the takeover of the forum. If there is a way to make a link, then we should follow the suggestion from Andrea: So, without adding any new external links, I'd recommend we do the following instead: edit https://forum.openoffice.org/ so that it has the additional record (to be translated to German): DE - Third party forums in German and it links to http://www.openoffice.org/de/foren.html I'd like that, I would agree. Is this technically possible? The translation of: DE - Third party forums in German is: DE - deutschsprachige Foren von Drittanbietern with a link to: http://www.openoffice.org/de/foren.html I would then itself the site: http://www.openoffice.org/de/foren.html update, and there clearly mark there are third party forums. Is this a way we can go? Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
Hagar Delest wrote: I agree, we should add the link on the landing page (which has still an old logo BTW). Adding something like (3rd party) would be fine. OK. So can someone tell us the best way to write Third party forums in German in German? Then if nobody opposes this we implement this solution (and the link goes to http://www.openoffice.org/de/foren.html that German-speaking volunteers can easily edit in German). Joerg, it must be clear (and I agree: this is not clear to everybody) that consensus decisions do not work as a yes/no decisions. The typical process is: - there is a problem (and the problem in your case is clear: we point all users at forum.openoffice.org as the main support resource, but a German-speaking user won't find anything useful on that page) - someone, in this case you, proposes a solution - the discussion can show that the solution should be a different one, but this doesn't remove the problem! - we explore different solutions that can be better in our case, and this is what I'm proposing above - in the end, our aim is to solve the problems, not to leave them unsolved since we don't get consensus on the first proposed solution. We had already asked the German moderators (a long time ago) if they were interested in joining the EN and the other locales. But they declined so we never asked again since. OK, we now made it clear that this is a possibility. It seems there's no interest now, but if there interest in future we can come back to this. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: How to update, commit and publish only a single file/directory? [WAS: Re: need wiki help]
Am 05/26/2014 10:34 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Marcus (OOo) wrote: But when a single file, e.g., devbuild.html is shown and you click on the Update link then only this file is updated and nothing else. Please can you try it and confirm? had you already a chance to retry? I believe Joe made it clear that this won't work either. To be precise, then it must be a bug because it's working for me. ;-) I read his mail in this discussion as when you publish, you always publish the whole thing since we have one workspace per user (and this would be OK as per your interpretation/instructions), but after committing things go to one staging server (a single server shared among everybody, so my changes and your changes get mixed there already) and publishing will copy pages from that single staging server to the single production server. Sorry, I still can edit, update and publish a single file. What's the problem to try again on your side? Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
FR web forum wrote: In other way, if we propose to create a new NL forum, can we do it? One year ago, we should have a Portugese forum: https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg06330.html As yet nothing has been done. If there is still demand for it (I'm not sure about this) this is feasible. The issue here is: typically, from a system administration point of view, we would want to consolidate what we already have before adding new pieces. The MWiki system is now in reasonably good shape (the content, instead, needs a lot of work). For the Forum the opposite is true: on the system administration side we do something from time to time, but we haven't completed the steps to have a solid foundation yet (volunteers welcome); the content side instead is working perfectly, with many volunteers answering questions and moderating posts. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
Jörg Schmidt wrote: The translation of: DE - Third party forums in German is: DE - deutschsprachige Foren von Drittanbietern with a link to: http://www.openoffice.org/de/foren.html I would then itself the site: http://www.openoffice.org/de/foren.html update, and there clearly mark there are third party forums. Is this a way we can go? Sure. +1 from me (obviously). And just ignore my other mail, we wrote the same thing in the same minute. Andrea - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Joerg, it must be clear (and I agree: this is not clear to everybody) that consensus decisions do not work as a yes/no decisions. Did Consensus Decisions do not work as a yes / no Decisions. yes, that's clear to me I have read the site: http://rave.apache.org/docs/governance/lazyConsensus.html But let me tell you the consequence that I see: If there is no concensus, even after we have discussed, then you could please vote: http://rave.apache.org/docs/governance/consensusBuilding.html but ... I do _not must_ have to ask and if I do not do it, then the problem remains unsolved. What I'm saying is the Lazy Consensus is a way if someone wants to do something specific, then he gets no consent is and there are other opinions, then a other is not automatically does the work. I hope that's right? - there is a problem (and the problem in your case is clear: we point all users at forum.openoffice.org as the main support resource, but a German-speaking user won't find anything useful on that page) Yes, i agree - someone, in this case you, proposes a solution - the discussion can show that the solution should be a different one, but this doesn't remove the problem! Yes - we explore different solutions that can be better in our case, and this is what I'm proposing above yes, you did, but there is one detail: the AOO community can not decide what to do an external forum, and as I see it would have been necessary because you said: - a possible migration so that the two forums are hosted on the same Platform ... But this is not my interest, I just want to temporarily create a hyperlink to the external forum until we have a German-language forum at AOO. What can I say to explain: Please respect that the external forum does not want to be part of another project. This is not a decision forever, but it is the decision for now. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Jörg Schmidt wrote: The translation of: DE - Third party forums in German is: DE - deutschsprachige Foren von Drittanbietern with a link to: http://www.openoffice.org/de/foren.html I would then itself the site: http://www.openoffice.org/de/foren.html update, and there clearly mark there are third party forums. Is this a way we can go? Sure. +1 from me (obviously). Thanks, fine And just ignore my other mail, we wrote the same thing in the same minute. and now I have already written an answer, you do _not must_ read it ;-) Gretings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
Am 05/26/2014 11:30 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Jörg Schmidt wrote: The translation of: DE - Third party forums in German is: DE - deutschsprachige Foren von Drittanbietern with a link to: http://www.openoffice.org/de/foren.html I would then itself the site: http://www.openoffice.org/de/foren.html update, and there clearly mark there are third party forums. Is this a way we can go? Sure. +1 from me (obviously). And just ignore my other mail, we wrote the same thing in the same minute. I would also agree on this. Too bad that Joerg has cancelled his suggestion. :-P IMHO things about trademark, logo, etc. could be discussed (and corrected if needed) later as a) the forum is obvious operated in noble intension, b) it's non-profit and c) there is at least an indirect connection to AOO via Joerg as moderator. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
questions about crash reporting, error report tool
Looking at current configure options, and what we've setup on buildbots, it seems the Crash Reporter referenced in this wiki page: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/CrashReporting is no longer a default in our binaries? Is this correct? Is this the same thing that's called the Error Report Tool in the application help? The last discussion I could find about this: http://markmail.org/message/dfkrazjvie3gv4cq -- - MzK Even a happy life cannot be without a measure of darkness, and the word happy would lose its meaning if it were not balanced by sadness. It is far better (to) take things as they come along with patience and equanimity. -- Carl Jung - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
On 05/26/2014 02:44 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/26/2014 11:30 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Jörg Schmidt wrote: The translation of: DE - Third party forums in German is: DE - deutschsprachige Foren von Drittanbietern with a link to: http://www.openoffice.org/de/foren.html I would then itself the site: http://www.openoffice.org/de/foren.html update, and there clearly mark there are third party forums. Is this a way we can go? Sure. +1 from me (obviously). And just ignore my other mail, we wrote the same thing in the same minute. I would also agree on this. Too bad that Joerg has cancelled his suggestion. :-P IMHO things about trademark, logo, etc. could be discussed (and corrected if needed) later as a) the forum is obvious operated in noble intension, b) it's non-profit and c) there is at least an indirect connection to AOO via Joerg as moderator. Marcus This seems like a good compromise to me also. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK Even a happy life cannot be without a measure of darkness, and the word happy would lose its meaning if it were not balanced by sadness. It is far better (to) take things as they come along with patience and equanimity. -- Carl Jung - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Lazy Consensus] link to a german forum
From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] And just ignore my other mail, we wrote the same thing in the same minute. I would also agree on this. Too bad that Joerg has cancelled his suggestion. :-P I think Jörg is sometimes a little hasty ... I may say so because I am Jörg ;-) IMHO things about trademark, logo, etc. could be discussed (and corrected if needed) later as a) the forum is obvious operated in noble intension, b) it's non-profit and c) there is at least an indirect connection to AOO via Joerg as moderator. yes, no problem Please only respects the use of the domain. Please respect that many people, more than 10 years and many thousands of hours of free time invested to make the forum what it is. Please respect our philosophy that we are open to all programs (OOo, AOO, LO, StarOffice, Neo-Office, etc.) and we do not want to decide unilaterally us. This is not a decision against Apache or TDF or others, but it's just a decision for our independence. Juergen is exactly right with: ... But well it exists seeking for a long time and as long it is not misused. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
