Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Stuff At Dayton

2008-05-19 Thread G4ILO


David Yarnes wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 Something that I saw at Dayton may be of interest to Elecraft
 owners--particularly K3, and possibly K2 folks.  Jay Bromley and I visited
 with Larry Phipps at his booth for a while.  Larry has several very
 innovative items that he sells, including probably the most unique
 wattmeter/SWR meter you can find anywhere (the LP-100A).  What caught our
 attention was Larry's new panadapter for the K3.  He's contemplating doing
 one for the K2 as well.  Anyway, this new gadget (I hope I don't offend
 Larry by calling it a gadget) is very impressive.  You should really go to
 his website to get the full details, but believe me, it is really a slick
 piece of engineering.  I'm not fully familiar with the Icom bandscope on
 it's higher end rigs, but I think this product from Larry will rival or
 exceed what you find there.  Additionally, it really constitutes a 2nd
 receiver, which opens up all sorts of possibilities.  For example, maybe
 if you get this accessory you really don't get enough more with the
 Elecraft 2nd RX  Can't really say that for sure, but it's pretty clear
 that Larry has something that might give one pause as to whether or not
 they need something over and above that.  Anyway, the demo Larry gave us
 was most impressive.  I suggest you keep one eye on his website for more
 details.  In any event, the panadapter is fairly reasonable, and is
 available in either kit form or fully assembled.  Larry says building it
 is not very difficult or time consuming.  By all means, check all of this
 out.  
 
 
It appears to me that it would be a second receiver only with the aid of a
PC, sound card and SDR software.

What I would like to see is an external bandscope that does not require a
computer. Either it would be completely self contained, or it would use an
inexpensive portable LCD TV for its display. Perhaps Elecraft will come up
with something like this in the future? 

-
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[Elecraft] a real bandscope

2008-05-19 Thread Charles Harpole

If u would like a real bandscope with a completely real time oscilloscope-like 
trace (as well as a xmas tree), get the SM-220 or SM-230 from Kenwood.  
Probably no longer made, they mate with the TS-950 and its juniors and really 
work even when u are turning the tuning knob.  Likely Kenwood lovers
will not part with theirs, so gud luck on finding one.  No computer needed at 
all.   This OLD TECHNOLOGY remains superior to anything I've seen in the new 
market today.  Too bad it must mate with such a medium-performing rcvr.  73


Charles Harpole
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 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 01:39:57 -0700
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 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Stuff At Dayton



 David Yarnes wrote:

 Hi All,

 Something that I saw at Dayton may be of interest to Elecraft
 owners--particularly K3, and possibly K2 folks. Jay Bromley and I visited
 with Larry Phipps at his booth for a while. Larry has several very
 innovative items that he sells, including probably the most unique
 wattmeter/SWR meter you can find anywhere (the LP-100A). What caught our
 attention was Larry's new panadapter for the K3. He's contemplating doing
 one for the K2 as well. Anyway, this new gadget (I hope I don't offend
 Larry by calling it a gadget) is very impressive. You should really go to
 his website to get the full details, but believe me, it is really a slick
 piece of engineering. I'm not fully familiar with the Icom bandscope on
 it's higher end rigs, but I think this product from Larry will rival or
 exceed what you find there. Additionally, it really constitutes a 2nd
 receiver, which opens up all sorts of possibilities. For example, maybe
 if you get this accessory you really don't get enough more with the
 Elecraft 2nd RX Can't really say that for sure, but it's pretty clear
 that Larry has something that might give one pause as to whether or not
 they need something over and above that. Anyway, the demo Larry gave us
 was most impressive. I suggest you keep one eye on his website for more
 details. In any event, the panadapter is fairly reasonable, and is
 available in either kit form or fully assembled. Larry says building it
 is not very difficult or time consuming. By all means, check all of this
 out.


 It appears to me that it would be a second receiver only with the aid of a
 PC, sound card and SDR software.

 What I would like to see is an external bandscope that does not require a
 computer. Either it would be completely self contained, or it would use an
 inexpensive portable LCD TV for its display. Perhaps Elecraft will come up
 with something like this in the future?

 -
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Re: [Elecraft] Help with cheap headset and K2

2008-05-19 Thread Dr. Werner Furlan
hi Bill, 

I have tried a Plantronics Computer Headset in the past with my K2.
I made an adapter like you did but with the internal 5V bias. 
Audio reports were worse than with the dynamic Kenwood microphone I 
used before. 
I tried this special microphone because G4ILO recommended it on his 
homepage. (http://www.g4ilo.com/k2_headset.html). I had hoped that I could 
make better use of the VOX in the K2, but it was not good enough for my 
low voice.
In the meantime I connected it to the K3 and listened to myself and now I 
know why the reports were bad. The frequency response of the microphone 
is not good for this purpose.
In the K3 I could compensate it with the equalizer, but together with the K2 
you are probably lost. 
Now I am waiting for the Sennheiser PC 150 now, maybe this is better.
My usual headset is the Heil Proset with HC5 element. The reason why I am 
looking for an alternative is the weight of the Heil headset and the earpads 
make a pressure on the arms of my glasses and this hurts after some time.

73! de Werner
OE9FWV



On 18 May 2008 at 16:06, nz0t wrote:

 
 Just for grins I bought a cheap Cyber Acoustics computer headset to
 use with my K3 when it arrives.  Others have said they got good
 reports with their K3 and this headset which uses an electret mic and
 a 3.5MM stereo mini plug. Not wanting to cut off the plug which fits
 into the back of the K3 I made up an adapter for my K2 using an inline
 stereo jack, an 8 pin mike plug and a 9 volt battery through a 5K
 resistor to power the mic.  My K2 is wired for the Kenwood mics and I
 don't want to power the mic from the rig.  I wired the grounds to the
 base of the plug, 9V DC through the 5K resistor to the middle and the
 mic positive to the tip.  It works but my reports with the K2 have not
 been very good.  I also made up an adapter for my Drake TR7 and
 reports on that rig are fine. Am I doing something wrong with the K2? 
 I know little about electret mics and maybe I am using too much
 voltage or the wrong resistor.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 If I can't get it to work the headset was only about $15 shipped so no
 big deal.
 


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Re: [Elecraft] KX-1 20 Meter Deafness

2008-05-19 Thread Kurt Pawlikowski

Mike,

   While my pride as a builder says, No way! you are probably right 
and I'll probably have to rebuild that board. To paraphrase a quote: We 
hates it Mr. Baggins...


   Regards,

   kurtt

   Kurt Pawlikowski, AKA WB9FMC
   The Pinrod Corporation
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   (773) 284-9500
   http://pinrod.com

Mike wrote:

Kurt,

For what it's worth, when I built my KX-1 I had very similar problems.  I wound 
up sending a pic of my LPF board to Don, who spotted the slightest hint of 
enamel insulation in one of the toroid solder joints.  I had to look at it 4 
times before I could even see it.  Anyway, I wound up pretty much rebuilding 
that board and it was fine after that.  It's *very* finicky.

--
73,
Mike, KC0KBC

 -- Original message --
From: Kurt Pawlikowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

Don,

I'll check the LPF board closely.

As far as whether the signal increase, I believe it does. Since, 
when I touch it, signals I an hearing on my other receiver become 
apparent in the KX-1 also. And, I believe the XG-2 signal is increasing 
(only by ear). I say that because the increase is very noticeable: From, 
Is it there? to I have to turn it down. Which is quite a jump 
(probably 9dB).


Anyway, I'll look it over more closely (maybe rebuild that board) 
and report back. Thanks.


Regards,

kurtt

Kurt Pawlikowski, AKA WB9FMC
The Pinrod Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(773) 284-9500
http://pinrod.com

Don Wilhelm wrote:


Kurt,

From all you have said, I would believe that the problem is in the 
KXB3080 low pass filter.
While I agree that your continuity test indicates no apparent problem 
with the toroid lead tinning, check all the connections to be certain 
there is a bit of solder on both sides of the board - if not, view 
that connection with suspicion.


Make certain there is no contact with the green wire from L2 to the 
lower connection of the red wire.  The green wire must wrap around to 
the back side of the LPF board and can inadvertently contact the #4 
termination of the wire for the red winding.


The best LPF testing is visual - look for any suspicious solder 
connections.  Yes, you will see a 17 MHz cutoff on the LPF if you 
measure it without regard to disconnecting it from the rest of the 
circuit and failing to properly terminate the filter (it is not 50 
ohms at the PA transistor side, but I have not ever calculated the 
proper termination).


Perhaps it is helpful if I tell you that the green winding is the only 
active portion on 40, 30 and 20 meters.  The red winding is used for 
80 meters and SWB band below about 6 MHz only.


Caution:  The sensitivity of the KX1 is not as great on 20 meters as 
it is on 30 or 40 meters.  Bringing a finger (or antenna) close to T2 
or many of the receiver tuned circuits after the LPF  will normally 
result in an increase in receiver total output, but that is actually 
an increase in broadband noise - under careful measurement conditions, 
the desired signal strength will not increase even though the overall 
noise level does.  Spectrogram will show that is true.


73,
Don W3FPR

Kurt Pawlikowski wrote:
  

Hi,

   First, thanks for reading. Hopefully, it won't be boring for those
lucky K3 guys and gals...

   CONFIGURATION

   KX-1, 3080 upgrade. ATU currently removed and antenna jumper
installed for testing.Using XG-2 as a signal source. I have confirmed
the XG-2 seems to be working about as expected with another receiver
(about S-10 at 50uv and S-0 (but still in the speakers) at 1uv).

   SYMPTOM

   With normal operation, receive levels appear normal on 80 and 40 (I
can make contacts), but the XG2 is not peaking the KX-1's meter (I used
the XG-2 to calibrate the meter). 20 meters has always seemed deaf to
me. I don't remember how well the XG-2 was received on 20 when I
calibrated it. Here's the real kicker: On 20 meters, with the XG-2
attached, I hear *no* volume difference between 50 and 1uv (which means
the KX-1's receiver is picking up the signal by proximity, not through
the antenna connection). If I touch the RX antenna connection almost
anywhere between the low-pass filter and the input of the Rx Mixer (U6,
pin 1), 20 meters comes way up (from nothing to receiving moderately
weak signals and noise). Touching the RX antenna line on 80 and 40
appears to have little or no affect. Output power on 20 meters does not
register full power, but I'm not sure if this is a calibration problem
as I don't have an accurate power meter. Also, when I couple a grid dip
meter into the RX, when tuned to 30 or 20 meters, I get a marked dip
just at about 17 MHz.



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RE: [Elecraft] Interesting Stuff At Dayton

2008-05-19 Thread Mike Short
What I am in the process of doing is putting together the Softrock receiver,
and lashing it up to a micro ITX formfactor
PC. They are very small, and have the ability to use a 12V DC power input.
Do a search on car computers, and there is a ton of stuff there.
Mate it with an old LCD monitor that is small, or they make 6-8 inch
monitors that are expensive. With this arrangement, the scope would be about
the
Size of any other kind of scope, and could still be used as a shack PC for
rig control, logging, etc. 

Mike
AI4NS 

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David Yarnes wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 Something that I saw at Dayton may be of interest to Elecraft
 owners--particularly K3, and possibly K2 folks.  Jay Bromley and I visited
 with Larry Phipps at his booth for a while.  Larry has several very
 innovative items that he sells, including probably the most unique
 wattmeter/SWR meter you can find anywhere (the LP-100A).  What caught our
 attention was Larry's new panadapter for the K3.  He's contemplating doing
 one for the K2 as well.  Anyway, this new gadget (I hope I don't offend
 Larry by calling it a gadget) is very impressive.  You should really go to
 his website to get the full details, but believe me, it is really a slick
 piece of engineering.  I'm not fully familiar with the Icom bandscope on
 it's higher end rigs, but I think this product from Larry will rival or
 exceed what you find there.  Additionally, it really constitutes a 2nd
 receiver, which opens up all sorts of possibilities.  For example, maybe
 if you get this accessory you really don't get enough more with the
 Elecraft 2nd RX  Can't really say that for sure, but it's pretty clear
 that Larry has something that might give one pause as to whether or not
 they need something over and above that.  Anyway, the demo Larry gave us
 was most impressive.  I suggest you keep one eye on his website for more
 details.  In any event, the panadapter is fairly reasonable, and is
 available in either kit form or fully assembled.  Larry says building it
 is not very difficult or time consuming.  By all means, check all of this
 out.  
 
 
It appears to me that it would be a second receiver only with the aid of a
PC, sound card and SDR software.

What I would like to see is an external bandscope that does not require a
computer. Either it would be completely self contained, or it would use an
inexpensive portable LCD TV for its display. Perhaps Elecraft will come up
with something like this in the future? 

-
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Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Stuff At Dayton

2008-05-19 Thread Mark Bayern
Additionally, it really constitutes a 2nd receiver, which l sorts of 
possibilities.

... well ... it is a 2nd receiver for any signal that is available to
it from the K3's IF. That means only signals that make it through the
passband filter.

Mark   AD5SS





On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 5:56 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi All,

 Something that I saw at Dayton may be of interest to Elecraft 
 owners--particularly K3, and possibly K2 folks.  Jay Bromley and I visited 
 with Larry Phipps at his booth for a while.  Larry has several very 
 innovative items that he sells, including probably the most unique 
 wattmeter/SWR meter you can find anywhere (the LP-100A).  What caught our 
 attention was Larry's new panadapter for the K3.  He's contemplating doing 
 one for the K2 as well.  Anyway, this new gadget (I hope I don't offend Larry 
 by calling it a gadget) is very impressive.  You should really go to his 
 website to get the full details, but believe me, it is really a slick piece 
 of engineering.  I'm not fully familiar with the Icom bandscope on it's 
 higher end rigs, but I think this product from Larry will rival or exceed 
 what you find there. opens up al Additionally, it really constitutes a 2nd 
 receiver, which l sorts of possibilities.  For example, maybe if you get this 
 accessory you really don't get enough more with the Elecraft 2nd RX  
 Can't really say that for sure, but it's pretty clear that Larry has 
 something that might give one pause as to whether or not they need something 
 over and above that.  Anyway, the demo Larry gave us was most impressive.  I 
 suggest you keep one eye on his website for more details.  In any event, the 
 panadapter is fairly reasonable, and is available in either kit form or fully 
 assembled.  Larry says building it is not very difficult or time consuming.  
 By all means, check all of this out.

 Dave W7AQK


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Re: [Elecraft] a real bandscope

2008-05-19 Thread AD6XY - Mike

A really really good bandscope can be had through using the SDR-IQ from
RFSpace connected to the IF output of the K3. It can also record 180kHz
worth of the band. Non-computer based methods are also possible, but the
computer realisation is so much more versatile. The SDR-IQ software can
interface directly to the K3 RS232, so you can point and click when
something interesting appears on the bandscope and centre it in the K3 IF.
Ah yes, and this is a bandscope that can demodulate too, all modes.

Regarding Dayton and the Elecraft stand

It was nice to see everyone there. There was quite a crush around Wayne and
Eric whenever I passed by. They looked like they were enjoying themselves
too. It was good to see the second rx working and the nice features of the
firmware associated with it. I found out several interesting things about
their future plans too, including the plans for a keyboard and variable
bandwidth filters. Unfortunately I forgot to ask about the prospects for a
linear amplifier once the K3 project settles down.

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Re: [Elecraft] a real bandscope

2008-05-19 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
After experiencing a few RTTY QSO's over the weekend (yes - I was on RTTY) I 
think I'm in need of the 1500 watt beauty as a matter of extreme urgency!


I saw it in the flesh in 2005 and have been drooling over the keyboards ever 
since.


Simon Brown, HB9DRV

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Unfortunately I forgot to ask about the prospects for a
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[Elecraft] Interesting Stuff at Dayton

2008-05-19 Thread Barry N1EU
AD5SS penned it is a 2nd receiver for any signal that is available to
it from the K3's IF. That means only signals that make it through the
passband filter.

Au contrare - K3's IF output is shown on the schematics to clearly be
taken before the crystal filters.

73,
Barry N1EU
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[Elecraft] K3 - Setup After Firmware Upgrade

2008-05-19 Thread Joe Word
What setup is required after firmware upgrade? Say 1.88 to 1.96b.

Should we do the Low and High TX Gain Calibration?

What else?


Joe  N9VX

K3  #841
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY filter for K3

2008-05-19 Thread Lyle Johnson
Using a excessively narrow filter on RTTY is a balancing act. 

If the bandwidth is too narrow the tones tend to become smeared 
- the transitions become less easy to detect (in other words, 
the eye begins to close).  However, narrowing the bandwidth 
also reduces the amount of QRM/QRN making it through the filter 
and to the decoder/detector.


How about using a Nyquist filter?

A Nyquist filter is one that results in no inter-symbol interference. 


One of the difficulties with RTTY is that the tone spacings are so wide. 
 For a 45 baud FSK signal, a shift of about 30 Hz would minimize the 
occupied bandwidth and have no intersymbol interference.  But standard 
practice is to use 170 Hz or 200 Hz shift. [ 200 Hz Shift is about right 
for 300 baud FSK, which is what we used (and why we used it) for HF 
packet some 25 years ago.  And optimized it for common 400 Hz to 500 Hz 
 wide CW crystal filters of that era. ]


Thus, the rise of the dual tone filter (K3) and its work-alikes in 
various radios and demodulators, with fairly tight filters around each 
tone to pass it along with its significant sidebands.  But the overall 
IF passband still needs to be wide enough to pass both tones and their 
sidebands. I imagine you can observe all of this on your P1.


Some RTTY decoders take advantage of the tone separation and actually 
employ a pair of detectors, one for each tone, and use the outputs 
differentially to get some protection from selective fading.  170 Hz 
spacing is probably too close for such protection -- 850 Hz spacing 
would be better, but that requires an even wider IF passband...


Some soundcard-based RTTY programs support really narrow shifts, but 
such signals are not often heard at this QTH.  Maybe it is because 
everyone is listening and no one is calling CQ?


Enjoy!

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Setup After Firmware Upgrade

2008-05-19 Thread Lyle Johnson

What setup is required after firmware upgrade? Say 1.88 to 1.96b.


In general, check the release notes to see what's been changed. 
Controls or settings related to those functions might need to be 
altered, and in any event should be verified.


In this case, MIC GAIN and VOX GAIN are probably going to be different 
than what you were using before.


73,

Lyle KK7P

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[Elecraft] WA3WSJ's PA AT QRP Hike

2008-05-19 Thread Edward R. Breneiser
I've been trying to hike my next PA AT Section, but the weather has been
wet and damp here. Looks like Thursday through Sunday will be nice
weather here in Pennsylvania so I'm planning my next hike. I only have
four more Appalachian Trail Hikes left to do and then I'll finish off
PA! So listen for Kangaroo Ed, WA3WSJ hiking the AT and playing QRP. If
the contest has 40m (7.030) and 20m (14.060) all tied up, look for
WA3WSJ on 30m around 10.116 mhz +- qrm.  I'll be using my Pimped Out KX1
and my Black Widow Vertical without a pole on the AT. Hope to hear many
familiar calls while I'm out on the AT.

Date:  5/22 - 5/25
Time:  mornings ~ 8am-9am   evenings  7pm-9pm
Call:  WA3WSJ
QTH:   PA  AT near Carlisle, PA
Bands: 14.060, 7.030 10.116mhz

p.s. 
I'll be sending out my special Kangaroo Ed AT QSL Card to all who work
me. Look at it on the link below.

http://wa3wsj.homestead.com/index.html



Life is Short So Enjoy

72,
Kangaroo Ed, WA3WSJ

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[Elecraft] K3-Wiki

2008-05-19 Thread Mike Scott
I would think it appropriate for this community to upload the K3 manuals
into some Wiki and edit them as a group, always keeping it current.

It would be better if there was a way to preserve formatting with photos
etc, so that all one would need to do is print it to have an up to date
manual. I don't know if a Wiki can do this.

Mike Scott - AE6WA
Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA)
K3-100 #508/ KX1  #1311



Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 13:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Don Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - New firmware
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Since the original K3 manual was printed, many
important new setups have been added to the K3
firmware that are shown and described in separate
documents.

There is now a wiki page that contains the cumulative
options to date. Each setup option can be expanded on
by users of the K3 reflector. Have a comment to make,
or a helpful suggestion about any specific K3 CONFIG
setting?

Click on the word EDIT above the setting you can help
with, then key in your callsign and your info. 

For example, I added a comment about the AGC-F config
setting, see
http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Firmware_-_revision_1.96_documen
ted#AGC-F

Here is the main page:

http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Firmware_-_revision_1.96_documen
ted

The page is open for user edit at this time, please
give it a look, add some expertise if you have
experience with any setup and the specific results of
changing the values.

t u ..

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Re: [Elecraft] a real bandscope

2008-05-19 Thread Vic K2VCO

Charles Harpole wrote:

If u would like a real bandscope with a completely real time
oscilloscope-like trace (as well as a xmas tree), get the SM-220 or
SM-230 from Kenwood.  Probably no longer made, they mate with the
TS-950 and its juniors and really work even when u are turning the
tuning knob.  Likely Kenwood lovers will not part with theirs, so gud
luck on finding one.  No computer needed at all.   This OLD
TECHNOLOGY remains superior to anything I've seen in the new market
today.  Too bad it must mate with such a medium-performing rcvr. 


I have to disagree. I had one, and the bandwidth of the filter used is 
so wide that it's impossible to distinguish cw signals a few kHz apart. 
It definitely does not provide the kind of display found, for example, 
on newer ICOM rigs.


I too would like a standalone panadapter (bandscope, whatever) that does 
not require a computer, but I don't miss the Kenwood unit.


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73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft at Dayton

2008-05-19 Thread Chris Kantarjiev K6DBG


 You can always drive a linear amp with a QRP signal, but under FCC
 rules, producing more than 480 watts out with 15W in is prohibited for
 a type-accepted amplifier (15 db gain).

Of course! Too much blood in my caffeine stream. But if there were, say, a
convenient attenuator pad that could be bypassed by a motivated amateur...

 err, why not just build up another KPA-100 and leave it with the
 KPA800?

No reason, really, aside from cost (which might pale in comparison to the
KPA800!)

Mostly, I guess, I hope that any such amp will be as well integrated with
the K2 as the K3.

73 de chris K6DBG
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Re: [Elecraft] a real bandscope

2008-05-19 Thread n4lq
I must agree Vic. That Kenwood SM-2xx is a total joke. There is no way to 
use it for finding signals. How one could consider it superior is beyond me. 
And yes...I had one...worthless.

Steve Ellington
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From: Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] a real bandscope



Charles Harpole wrote:

If u would like a real bandscope with a completely real time
oscilloscope-like trace (as well as a xmas tree), get the SM-220 or
SM-230 from Kenwood.  Probably no longer made, they mate with the
TS-950 and its juniors and really work even when u are turning the
tuning knob.  Likely Kenwood lovers will not part with theirs, so gud
luck on finding one.  No computer needed at all.   This OLD
TECHNOLOGY remains superior to anything I've seen in the new market
today.  Too bad it must mate with such a medium-performing rcvr.


I have to disagree. I had one, and the bandwidth of the filter used is
so wide that it's impossible to distinguish cw signals a few kHz apart.
It definitely does not provide the kind of display found, for example,
on newer ICOM rigs.

I too would like a standalone panadapter (bandscope, whatever) that does
not require a computer, but I don't miss the Kenwood unit.

--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft at Dayton

2008-05-19 Thread Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
   Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:13:09 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Chris Kantarjiev K6DBG [EMAIL PROTECTED]



You can always drive a linear amp with a QRP signal, but under FCC
rules, producing more than 480 watts out with 15W in is prohibited for
a type-accepted amplifier (15 db gain).

   Of course! Too much blood in my caffeine stream. But if there were, say, a
   convenient attenuator pad that could be bypassed by a motivated amateur...

IIRC, easily modified was in the older rules, but that seems to only
apply to CB coverage now.  

err, why not just build up another KPA-100 and leave it with the
KPA800?

   No reason, really, aside from cost (which might pale in comparison to the
   KPA800!)

Yep.   I suspect the KPA100 is really necessary, though, since it's got
filtering approriate for that level of output power and I think there
might be a problem with just amplifying the QRP level signal to real
QRO, without adding the extra filtering.  I suspect other know the
details on this better than I.

   Mostly, I guess, I hope that any such amp will be as well integrated with
   the K2 as the K3.

Note that the KPA800/1500 was first shown with the K2, and was closely
integrated at that time.  

Rumor:  I've heard that the amp worked really well mostly, but there was a
problem that caused much failure of the expensive power devices.

73, doug
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Re: [Elecraft] a real bandscope

2008-05-19 Thread dalej


On 19, May 2008, at 10:10, Vic K2VCO wrote:


Charles Harpole wrote:

If u would like a real bandscope with a completely real time
oscilloscope-like trace (as well as a xmas tree), get the SM-220 or
SM-230 from Kenwood.  Probably no longer made, they mate with the
TS-950 and its juniors and really work even when u are turning the
tuning knob.  Likely Kenwood lovers will not part with theirs, so gud
luck on finding one.  No computer needed at all.   This OLD
TECHNOLOGY remains superior to anything I've seen in the new market
today.  Too bad it must mate with such a medium-performing rcvr.


I have to disagree. I had one, and the bandwidth of the filter used  
is so wide that it's impossible to distinguish cw signals a few kHz  
apart. It definitely does not provide the kind of display found, for  
example, on newer ICOM rigs.


I too would like a standalone panadapter (bandscope, whatever) that  
does not require a computer, but I don't miss the Kenwood unit.


--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco




Count me in on a stand alone spectrum display, a small black box with  
a VGA connector.  I don't want to be tethered to a computer though.  I  
agree on the SM230/220, had them both and neither on holds a candle to  
the Icom bandscope, for receiving


Dale, K9VUJ
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft at Dayton

2008-05-19 Thread Vic K2VCO

Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 wrote:


Note that the KPA800/1500 was first shown with the K2, and was closely
integrated at that time.  


It would work well with the K2, but it was designed to work with other 
popular rigs from ICOM, Yaesu, Kenwood, etc. as well. It is not 'closely 
integrated' in the way that the KPA100 is!



Rumor:  I've heard that the amp worked really well mostly, but there was a
problem that caused much failure of the expensive power devices.


I asked Eric specifically why the amplifiers were delayed. Did they meet 
IMD goals? He said that there was only one reason: the K3.


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Re: [Elecraft] a real bandscope

2008-05-19 Thread Tom Childers, N5GE
On Mon, 19 May 2008 10:37:38 -0500, you wrote:

[snip]

Count me in on a stand alone spectrum display, a small black box with  
a VGA connector.  I don't want to be tethered to a computer though.  I  
agree on the SM230/220, had them both and neither on holds a candle to  
the Icom bandscope, for receiving

Dale, K9VUJ

Yes, I'd rather have a stand alone also, but not at the price of over 1k buck!

The KWD SM-230 was a good scope in it's day but it is 30 year old technology.  I
have one and still use it for the other things it does.

Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq

Those who would give up 
Essential Liberty to 
purchase a little Temporary 
Safety deserve neither 
Liberty nor Safety 

An excerpt from a letter 
written in 1755 from the 
Assembly to the Governor 
of Pennsylvania.

Support the entire Constitution, not 
just the parts you like.

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[Elecraft] OT - Kenwood 'scopes

2008-05-19 Thread Ken Kopp

Good or not, they were / are very popular.  I've sold four
of 'em on eBay ... spirited bidding.  All went off-shore.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Stuff at Dayton

2008-05-19 Thread Mark Bayern
 Au contrare - K3's IF output is shown on the schematics to clearly be
 taken before the crystal filters.

Maybe I should have said, 'bandpass filters'? I checked before I wrote
the message and knew that the IF pickup is before the roofing filters.

...sorry for any confusion

Mark  AD5SS



On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Barry N1EU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 AD5SS penned it is a 2nd receiver for any signal that is available to
 it from the K3's IF. That means only signals that make it through the
 passband filter.

 Au contrare - K3's IF output is shown on the schematics to clearly be
 taken before the crystal filters.

 73,
 Barry N1EU
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Re: [Elecraft] a real bandscope

2008-05-19 Thread ab2tc

Well, I have my LP-PAN on order and can't wait to receive it. I ordered mine
assembled so I may have to wait a couple of weeks more for it. I don't mind
being tethered to a computer while operating. Truth is I have become so
dependent on my logging program (HRD), QRZ.com, DX cluster, etc. that I
can't imagine operating without one. I even bring a wireless laptop when
operating outside on nice days in the summer.
And if band activity is low, I can spend the lulls browsing my forums and
mailing lists. 

From what I hear, the LP-PAN should be second to no other pan adapter and
the ability to use it as a 2nd receiver is very attractive, too. I am quite
excited at the prospect of adding a DRM decoder behind it (BC DRM - not the
narrow band ham version), although there are ruminations that DRM is a dud
in the marketplace and may disappear.

Knut - AB2TC


Tom Childers, N5GE wrote:
 
 On Mon, 19 May 2008 10:37:38 -0500, you wrote:
 
 [snip]
 
Count me in on a stand alone spectrum display, a small black box with  
a VGA connector.  I don't want to be tethered to a computer though.  I  
agree on the SM230/220, had them both and neither on holds a candle to  
the Icom bandscope, for receiving

Dale, K9VUJ
 
 Yes, I'd rather have a stand alone also, but not at the price of over 1k
 buck!
 
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[Elecraft] K3 in Aquitaine

2008-05-19 Thread Peter Connors, F5VNB

Factory built ordered 16 November.
Katiegram 22 April, 1.8kHz filter and KRX3 on back order.
Arrived Samazan 10.33 this morning via Santa Cruz, San Jose, Louisville 
KY, Köln (Cologne), Marseille, Bordeaux and Carbon Blanc.

Another K3 in France - and I'm a bit closer to WAUPS...

73, Pete Connors F5VNB/G4PLZ

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[Elecraft] K3: will sidetone ever go from 300 to 1000 by 10 Hz increments?

2008-05-19 Thread O. Johns
Can Lyle or someone tell me if there are plans to have the sidetone  
run from 300 to 1000 by 10 Hz increments in some future firmware  
version?  Is there some basic reason it can't be done?  I note that  
page 9 of the K3 Owners Manual C1 says that the sidetone is adjustable  
from 300 to 1000 Hz.  Is that / will that be / so?


Sorry for the nonsense below.  I wrote before thinking.  Actually, a  
serial number specifying one of the 15 different pitches in the range  
from 300 to 1000 Hz by 50 Hz increments can be saved in ONE four-bit  
register (2 to the 4th = 16).  And a serial number specifying one of  
the 71 different pitches in the range from 300 to 1000 by 10 Hz  
increments can be saved, with lots of room to spare, in TWO four-bit  
registers (2 to the 8th = 256).  So at worst, the storage used would  
be one byte, not nine.


***
Incorrect information posted earlier is:
I wonder if the problem here is memory register space.  From 300 to  
1000 with 50 Hz increments  would be 15 different pitches, just shy of  
two bytes of memory space to record.  The same range with 10 Hz  
increments, it would be 71 different pitches, requiring nine bytes of  
memory space to record.



73,
Oliver Johns
W6ODJ
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[Elecraft] OT: stay away from these frequencies

2008-05-19 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
According to the scrolling banner on the CQ Magazine home page, the
Chinese are using 7050, 7060, and 14270 for disaster communication.
It is urged to stay clear of these frequencies.

I don't know if this is accurate or not, but why take a chance?  If
this was already posted here, sorry for the duplicate posting.

de Doug KR2Q
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[Elecraft] Re: K3: will sidetone ever go from 300 to 1000 by 10 Hz increments?

2008-05-19 Thread wayne burdick


On May 19, 2008, at 11:08 AM, O. Johns wrote:

Can Lyle or someone tell me if there are plans to have the sidetone 
run from 300 to 1000 by 10 Hz increments in some future firmware 
version?  Is there some basic reason it can't be done?  I note that 
page 9 of the K3 Owners Manual C1 says that the sidetone is adjustable 
from 300 to 1000 Hz.  Is that / will that be / so?


This can be done, but not in the near term because of more pressing 
firmware needs. I'll be looking at this when I look at changing the DSP 
control granularity to 10 Hz.


73,
Wayne
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RE: [Elecraft] OT: stay away from these frequencies

2008-05-19 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Yes. From the ARRL Newsletter:

On Monday, May 12 at 0628 UTC, a magnitude 7.8 earthquake hit Sichuan,
China. The Chinese Radio Sports Association, the Chinese IARU
Member-Society, has designated the following frequencies for emergency
services involved in the rescue: 14.270, 7.050 and 7.060 MHz. The ARRL
encourages US amateurs to be aware of the emergency operations on those
three frequencies.

More at http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/05/13/10095/

Ron AC7AC


-Original Message-
According to the scrolling banner on the CQ Magazine home page, the Chinese
are using 7050, 7060, and 14270 for disaster communication. It is urged to
stay clear of these frequencies.

I don't know if this is accurate or not, but why take a chance?  If this was
already posted here, sorry for the duplicate posting.

de Doug KR2Q

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: stay away from these frequencies

2008-05-19 Thread n4lq

really important to know this. I'll have to aim my rhombic the other way now
Steve Ellington
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Yes. From the ARRL Newsletter:

On Monday, May 12 at 0628 UTC, a magnitude 7.8 earthquake hit Sichuan,
China. The Chinese Radio Sports Association, the Chinese IARU
Member-Society, has designated the following frequencies for emergency
services involved in the rescue: 14.270, 7.050 and 7.060 MHz. The ARRL
encourages US amateurs to be aware of the emergency operations on those
three frequencies.

More at http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/05/13/10095/

Ron AC7AC


-Original Message-
According to the scrolling banner on the CQ Magazine home page, the Chinese
are using 7050, 7060, and 14270 for disaster communication. It is urged to
stay clear of these frequencies.

I don't know if this is accurate or not, but why take a chance?  If this was
already posted here, sorry for the duplicate posting.

de Doug KR2Q

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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY filter for K3

2008-05-19 Thread Alan Bloom
Re: using Nyquist filters for RTTY.

One complication I didn't mention is the fact that, because angle
modulation (FM, FSK, PM, PSK) is fundamentally non-linear, the
pre-detection and post-detection filters are fundamentally different.

With linear modulation types (AM, on-off keying, QPSK, QAM), the
spectrum of the pre-detection filter will appear the same at baseband. 
For example, if the IF filter has a 0.3-alpha Nyquist bandpass response,
the resulting post-detection response at baseband will also be a
0.3-alpha Nyquist lowpass response.

But that's not true with angle modulation.  Using a Nyquist
pre-detection filter does not result in a Nyquist response after
detection.  That is why most FSK and MSK systems use non-Nyquist filters
(typically Gaussian).

To use a Nyquist filter with FSK you would have to use a pre-detection
filter much wider than the baud rate (as is done now for RTTY) and then
add a Nyquist post-detection filter that would further tighten up the
frequency response without causing additional inter-symbol interference.

There may be a good reason why this is not usually done.  When I get
time maybe I'll do some Mathcad simulations to see if it looks like this
could work.

 Some RTTY decoders take advantage of the tone separation and actually 
 employ a pair of detectors, one for each tone, and use the outputs 
 differentially to get some protection from selective fading.

I think it is not just for selective fading but also for interference
that occurs primarily on one of the two tones.

It might be possible to use separate Nyquist filters and detectors for
the two tones, treating each one as if it were a separate on/off-keyed
signal.  If the transmitted signal is not filtered too heavily (i.e.
jumps quickly from one tone to the other) it seems like that should
work.

Al N1AL


On Mon, 2008-05-19 at 07:00, Lyle Johnson wrote:
  Using a excessively narrow filter on RTTY is a balancing act. 
 
  If the bandwidth is too narrow the tones tend to become smeared 
  - the transitions become less easy to detect (in other words, 
  the eye begins to close).  However, narrowing the bandwidth 
  also reduces the amount of QRM/QRN making it through the filter 
  and to the decoder/detector.
  
  How about using a Nyquist filter?
  
  A Nyquist filter is one that results in no inter-symbol interference. 
 
 One of the difficulties with RTTY is that the tone spacings are so wide. 
   For a 45 baud FSK signal, a shift of about 30 Hz would minimize the 
 occupied bandwidth and have no intersymbol interference.  But standard 
 practice is to use 170 Hz or 200 Hz shift. [ 200 Hz Shift is about right 
 for 300 baud FSK, which is what we used (and why we used it) for HF 
 packet some 25 years ago.  And optimized it for common 400 Hz to 500 Hz 
   wide CW crystal filters of that era. ]
 
 Thus, the rise of the dual tone filter (K3) and its work-alikes in 
 various radios and demodulators, with fairly tight filters around each 
 tone to pass it along with its significant sidebands.  But the overall 
 IF passband still needs to be wide enough to pass both tones and their 
 sidebands. I imagine you can observe all of this on your P1.
 
 Some RTTY decoders take advantage of the tone separation and actually 
 employ a pair of detectors, one for each tone, and use the outputs 
 differentially to get some protection from selective fading.  170 Hz 
 spacing is probably too close for such protection -- 850 Hz spacing 
 would be better, but that requires an even wider IF passband...
 
 Some soundcard-based RTTY programs support really narrow shifts, but 
 such signals are not often heard at this QTH.  Maybe it is because 
 everyone is listening and no one is calling CQ?
 
 Enjoy!
 
 Lyle KK7P

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RE: [Elecraft] OT: stay away from these frequencies

2008-05-19 Thread Kevin Rock
I started monitoring those frequencies last week when this was first announced. 
 I have heard a lot of activity but all of it is in Spanish.  
   Kevin.  KD5ONS


-Original Message-
From: Ron D'Eau Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes. From the ARRL Newsletter:

On Monday, May 12 at 0628 UTC, a magnitude 7.8 earthquake hit Sichuan,
China. The Chinese Radio Sports Association, the Chinese IARU
Member-Society, has designated the following frequencies for emergency
services involved in the rescue: 14.270, 7.050 and 7.060 MHz. The ARRL
encourages US amateurs to be aware of the emergency operations on those
three frequencies.

More at http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/05/13/10095/

Ron AC7AC


-Original Message-
According to the scrolling banner on the CQ Magazine home page, the Chinese
are using 7050, 7060, and 14270 for disaster communication. It is urged to
stay clear of these frequencies.

I don't know if this is accurate or not, but why take a chance?  If this was
already posted here, sorry for the duplicate posting.

de Doug KR2Q

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[Elecraft] K3 noise-blanker

2008-05-19 Thread JIM DAVIS

Gentlemen,

I'm really interested in the K3 but what I'm asking of anyone on this reflector is how GOOD IS 
IT???

I presently use a TT ORION which has a fantastic 9mhz. (hardware) blanker and 
has made all the
difference in the world for my being able to copy weak signals, especially 
since our typical
noise level here is S-9+ without it!!!  So short of my having to MOVE somewhere 
else (not feasible
at this time!!!) has anyone COMPARED the i.f noise blankers of both the K3 and 
the TT Orion
yet???

Many thanks,

Jim Davis/nn6ee
Newbie on the reflector!
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[Elecraft] Fwd: a real bandscope

2008-05-19 Thread Joe Word
I alteady sent this, but do not see the postion... so here it is again.


I vote for a stand alone bandscope. I am tied to a computer 8 hours a
day and don't want to be tied to one in my hobby. The IC-756PRO III
stays until the K3 has one.

If we have to have a computer, might as well have a Flex Radio.


Joe  N9VX

K3 #841
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Re:Fwd: [Elecraft] K3 noise-blanker

2008-05-19 Thread JIM DAVIS




Many thanks Wayne for your reply and I will ask Lisa about it as well, but there has to be others 
out here

as well that have done similar comparisons!

Jim/nn6ee
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Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: a real bandscope

2008-05-19 Thread n4lq
With the Flex Radio, you don't have a choice. You must use the computer or 
you have no radio. Also, as good as the Flex's receiver is, it can't 
transmit CW worth a hoot and probably never will. It's got a clunky, slow 
and loud relay that will never be capable of satisfying us QSK types. For 
SSB, it is fine.


I would like to see a bandscope adapter with an IF input and VGA output for 
use with a PC monitor. Things get complicated however when you want point 
and click tuning as on the Flex. I guess the adapter needs a mouse port!
I guess the bottom line is: How much would one be willing to pay for this? 
Personally I would pay quiet a bit for a bolt on bandscope. Something as 
good as the Flex bandscope intregated into the K3 would make ICOM look 
second rate.



Steve Ellington
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Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 4:17 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: a real bandscope



I alteady sent this, but do not see the postion... so here it is again.


I vote for a stand alone bandscope. I am tied to a computer 8 hours a
day and don't want to be tied to one in my hobby. The IC-756PRO III
stays until the K3 has one.

If we have to have a computer, might as well have a Flex Radio.


Joe  N9VX

K3 #841
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Re: Re:[Elecraft] Fwd: K3 noise-blanker

2008-05-19 Thread ab2tc

Yes indeed we are out here. I for my part is quite happy with the K3 noise
blanker. You are not mentioning the nature of your noise. Mine is the
scratchy 120Hz noise emitted by power lines. The K3 noise blanker is quite
effective in removing it. I use a combination of the hardware and the DSP
noise blanker. I do not have any TT transceivers nor the Pro III so can't
help you with a comparison there. The noise blanker in the K3 is one of the
reasons I spent the money to upgrade from my IC-718 which otherwise
performed to my satisfaction. I had confidence in the K3's noise blanker as
there are before/after audio clips out there. I can send you one if you are
interested. I think I still have one somewhere. Right now it's raining so
the noise is absent.

BTW I am working with the power company and have had some success in getting
problems fixed, but since last fall there is a stubborn source that so far
has defied detection. I think I know where the source is (down to three
poles), but unfortunately the National Grid tech doesn't agree with me. This
is constant struggle anyway since new problems are constantly popping up so
I decided even if I were to ultimately succeed in getting this particular
problem fixed, I need a working secondary defense and the K3 is just that.

Knut - AB2TC

JIM DAVIS-11 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 Many thanks Wayne for your reply and I will ask Lisa about it as well, but
 there has to be others 
 out here
 as well that have done similar comparisons!
 
 Jim/nn6ee
 
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY filter for K3

2008-05-19 Thread David Woolley (E.L)

Alan Bloom wrote:



The problem is that different RTTY transmitters use different amounts of
filtering.  However I suspect that a Nyquist receive filter designed
to compensate a typical/average transmit filter probably would have
pretty good performance on most received signals.  Does anyone know if
this has ever been tried?


With digital filters, one ought to be able to use the sort of adaptive 
filters used in modems, where the filter coefficients are adjusted by 
comparing the actual signal against the expected signal.  Modems send a 
known training signal, to get fast initial convergence, but if the 
signal is at least marginally decodable, I would have though it would be 
possible get the filter to converge.  One could probably start by making 
assumptions about the transmit filter and using known information about 
the receiver.


This tactic will work better for synchronous systems, like PSK, but I 
would have thought it must be possible to train a filter off an 
asynchronous signal as well, although one might have solve for the 
signalling unit centre position after receiving the whole character.



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[Elecraft] NAQCC Sprint Wednesday night!

2008-05-19 Thread NAQCC
NAQCC Sprint Wednesday night!
This coming Wednesday evening will be the monthly NAQCC Sprint for May, 2008.

I will refer you to the proper URL:

http://www.arm-tek.net/~yoel/sprint200805.html

There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies, this month's 
Special Award, which will be awarded to the one working the most different call 
areas in the USA.

This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, 
straight key and bug fans. All are welcome to participate; but you must use QRP 
power levels to compete for awards.

Come join us and have a real good time!

73 de Dave VA3RJ
NAQCC #0004

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: stay away from these frequencies

2008-05-19 Thread Dave_VK

Is it a coincidence the Chinese over horizon radar has been silent on 40m the
last week?



DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:
 
 According to the scrolling banner on the CQ Magazine home page, the
 Chinese are using 7050, 7060, and 14270 for disaster communication.
 It is urged to stay clear of these frequencies.
 
 I don't know if this is accurate or not, but why take a chance?  If
 this was already posted here, sorry for the duplicate posting.
 
 de Doug KR2Q
 
 

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[Elecraft] WHERE ARE THE KPAs

2008-05-19 Thread Stan Rife
   Eric/Wayne, can you give us a tidbit to tide us over on this 
subject. I know you guys are busy with the K3, but we would at least 
like to know that the KPAs are forthcoming.


   How about an update.

Stan
W5EWA
Houston, TX

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Re: [Elecraft] WHERE ARE THE KPAs

2008-05-19 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
These are on hold and will not make it back into the lab until at least 
the end of the year at the earliest. We're fully committed right now on 
the K3 and will be so through the end of the year.



73, Eric  WA6HHQ
(Back from Dayton and Tired! :-)

Stan Rife wrote:
   Eric/Wayne, can you give us a tidbit to tide us over on this 
subject. I know you guys are busy with the K3, but we would at least 
like to know that the KPAs are forthcoming.


   How about an update.

Stan
W5EWA
Houston, TX

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RE: [Elecraft] WHERE ARE THE KPAs

2008-05-19 Thread Manuel Maseda
Hi Eric,

How are things going with the KRX3 shipments?

73,
Manuel  W4SSB

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Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WHERE ARE THE KPAs

These are on hold and will not make it back into the lab until at least the
end of the year at the earliest. We're fully committed right now on the K3
and will be so through the end of the year.


73, Eric  WA6HHQ
(Back from Dayton and Tired! :-)

Stan Rife wrote:
Eric/Wayne, can you give us a tidbit to tide us over on this 
 subject. I know you guys are busy with the K3, but we would at least 
 like to know that the KPAs are forthcoming.

How about an update.

 Stan
 W5EWA
 Houston, TX
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY filter for K3

2008-05-19 Thread Alan Bloom
Good point.  It seems like an adaptive equalizer should work so long as
propagation hasn't totally garbaged the signal.  However, it would
greatly increase the complexity of the demodulator.  But maybe not if
the equalizer assumes a simple model of the transmit filter and makes
the a priori assumption that the channel does not change with time (i.e.
ignores propagation).

Al N1AL

On Mon, 2008-05-19 at 14:59, David Woolley (E.L) wrote:
 Alan Bloom wrote:
 
  
  The problem is that different RTTY transmitters use different amounts of
  filtering.  However I suspect that a Nyquist receive filter designed
  to compensate a typical/average transmit filter probably would have
  pretty good performance on most received signals.  Does anyone know if
  this has ever been tried?
 
 With digital filters, one ought to be able to use the sort of adaptive 
 filters used in modems, where the filter coefficients are adjusted by 
 comparing the actual signal against the expected signal.  Modems send a 
 known training signal, to get fast initial convergence, but if the 
 signal is at least marginally decodable, I would have though it would be 
 possible get the filter to converge.  One could probably start by making 
 assumptions about the transmit filter and using known information about 
 the receiver.
 
 This tactic will work better for synchronous systems, like PSK, but I 
 would have thought it must be possible to train a filter off an 
 asynchronous signal as well, although one might have solve for the 
 signalling unit centre position after receiving the whole character.
 

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[Elecraft] K3/10 kit shipped, ordered 12/21

2008-05-19 Thread WY5Q

Got my Madelyngram stating my K3/10 kit shipped, which was ordered December
21st.

Woohoo!

Still gotta get another bag of concrete in the hole for the post for my
ZeroFive 43' vertical, and run the Davis RF Bury Flex coax (shipping
tomorrow) under my house.
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Re: [Elecraft] a real bandscope

2008-05-19 Thread David F. Reed
For me, I liked my old Heathkit  (I admit I cannot recall the number, 
SB-620 or something like that, but in recent memory (good enough to be 
reliable) I liked the one in the IC-781, even better than the one in the 
IC-7800, and would like that sort of display for the spectrum scope, but 
on a nice flat panel, and I agree, it would be nice to not require a 
computer (I don;t care if it has it built in, just not another overhead 
for the shack computer...


73 de Dave, W5SV
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[Elecraft] K3 #642 on the air

2008-05-19 Thread Fred Jensen
KEVIN: If you see this, my S/N is 642, not 624.  Not only did I QLF it 
on the air in ECN, I remembered it all wrong as well.  I think it's 
called age. :-(


ALL:  Assembly went really great, no problems; follow the directions. 
Lots of screws, multiple kinds of washers, and a few nuts [what would 
ham radio be without a few nuts]; a muffin tin or two and a ruler helps 
a lot.  Two momentary panics:  One after the KPA3 was done and I 
couldn't get the power above about 12W.  As a last resort :-) I read the 
manual and found out the CONFIG:PAio menu, which was turned ON, only 
applies if you have the IO module installed but not the amp itself. 
Proceeding up the choices, I then found CONFIG:PA, turned it to 'nor', 
and 100W wafted from my beam.


Other panic: I have a little Radio Shack audio amp I use to get my 
radios up to afterburner roar since my hearing aids don't work under the 
headphones.  I tried it, and the AF Gain was about 9 o'clock for good 
listening.  Later hooked it up again, and virtually no sound from the 
radio, even with the AF Gain maxed out.  No antenna -- end of panic. 
This is a vy quiet radio!


At the tool store in town, I picked up 3 or 4 little stainless surgical 
clamps awhile ago.  They are very useful for getting screws started 
without dropping them into the guts of the radio.  I had to use a 
fingernail file to round off the mini-coax plugs from the Ref Osc, but 
that was easy.  No other issues.  This is a clean kit for sure.


I've had a couple of weeks with it now and I can't really come up with 
my top ten likes, there are so many.  But I know a big one is that the 
radio comes alive right after calibration in a highly usable state 
without much menu tweaking.  Just enable the modules you have, and 
you're on the air, mess around with the menu entries at your leisure.


Nice job Elecraft!  I'm a happy ham.  We'll try it out in WPX CW this 
weekend after #3 grandson Joe gets married Sat.  Most everyone will have 
the K6 mult by the time I get on.


73,

Fred K6DGW
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- CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party  4-5 Oct 08
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Re: [Elecraft] a real bandscope

2008-05-19 Thread John Klewer
If you can find one, the Clifton Laboratories Z90 or Z91 is a pretty 
nice standalone unit as well.


John, N6AX




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[Elecraft] Buddipole stuff at Dayton

2008-05-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A friend of mine, K8EAB, took some pictures at Dayton of the new stuff 
at Buddipole.


Several new Buddipole Products were shown for the first time
at the Dayton Hamvention ... I saw the Automatic Buddipole at
the QRP Vendor Night presentation, along with a compact 40-amp
super-cap power supply ... the Automatic Buddipole will have a
remote control for bandswitching ...
At a Saturday evening dinner, Chris and Budd showed the new
Buddipole Rotor Control Box ...
There also were prototypes of a 100-watt Dummy Load and a new
shock-corded mast ... another product soon to be available is
a capacitive hat ...

No information on availability dates or prices, but you can bet
if these products were shown at Dayton, it won't be too long until 
you can place your order ... 

I got permission to post photos that I took ... 

http://picasaweb.google.com/weymouth67/BuddipoleAtDayton2008 
http://picasaweb.google.com/weymouth67/BuddipoleAtDayton2008


73, Wey ...
K8EAB

Stan
KB4IA

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[Elecraft] Wiring Headphones for K3

2008-05-19 Thread David and Dianne on Comcast

Hi Everyone,

I'm in the process of wiring a stereo jack onto old faithful monoral 
headphones for use on the K3. (The phones are not reversible when worn).


When the sub receiver arrives, I want the main receiver in the left 
channel and the sub receiver in the right channel.


For K3 use with a stereo plug, is the left channel on the jack tip or 
the jack sleeve?


I could not find any information in the owners or assembly manuals on 
this. It may be in there but I cold not find it.


Please no speculation as I need to know for certain so I don't have to 
do this over again.


Reply on or off the reflector.

Thanks in advance.

73 de N1LQ-Dave
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RTTY filter for K3

2008-05-19 Thread Art
I must be confused by this filter discussion. Is not a Nyquist filter by 
its very definition a digital filter? Not directly comparable to the 
crystal filters in the K3 or any other rig.


I would have supposed a Nyquist filter is one that samples at least 
twice per cycle at the highest observed frequency.


As to what comes out of crystal filters, i.e. rtty tones, different 
discussion. If I have the processing chain figured correctly crystal 
filter output is then sampled by the audio card.


I'm not a filter designer. Just asking based on previous experiences.

73 Art
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[Elecraft] RE: A real bandscope

2008-05-19 Thread Dave Agsten
A bandscope like the Flex 5000A's would be ideal. It works great.as does 
the radio, even on CW since I have no need for anything close to 50 wpm. Keep 
in mind that the Flex 5000 uses it's own, high performance sound card, not a 
typical PC sound card. But there are knobs and buttons on the K3. I still have 
to have a radio with knobsa K3 and a K2. I may control these rigs from 
a PC at times, but still love to tune and listen. It will be interesting to see 
what evolves for a bandscope with the K3 even though I probably will not be 
interested in one.

73,
Dave N8AG

K3 #414 


  
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 noise-blanker

2008-05-19 Thread Tom Childers, N5GE
On Mon, 19 May 2008 13:17:48 -0700, you wrote:

Gentlemen,

I'm really interested in the K3 but what I'm asking of anyone on this 
reflector is how GOOD IS 
IT???
I presently use a TT ORION which has a fantastic 9mhz. (hardware) blanker and 
has made all the
difference in the world for my being able to copy weak signals, especially 
since our typical
noise level here is S-9+ without it!!!  So short of my having to MOVE 
somewhere else (not feasible
at this time!!!) has anyone COMPARED the i.f noise blankers of both the K3 and 
the TT Orion
yet???

Many thanks,

Jim Davis/nn6ee
Newbie on the reflector!
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[snip]

I have an Orion II and K3 SN 806.  The K3 is a much better rig overall than the
Orion II and the noise blanker is very much better.

Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq

Those who would give up 
Essential Liberty to 
purchase a little Temporary 
Safety deserve neither 
Liberty nor Safety 

An excerpt from a letter 
written in 1755 from the 
Assembly to the Governor 
of Pennsylvania.

Support the entire Constitution, not 
just the parts you like.

http://www.n5ge.com
http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE

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Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Stuff At Dayton

2008-05-19 Thread David Yarnes
Absolutely correct Julian.  It is the combo of sound card and software that 
does it for you, but it does a very credible job of it I might add.  I know 
Elecraft has thoughts of adding a bandscope of some sort, so keep the faith! 
Your prayers may be answered.  I just thought it was kind of interesting how 
Larry Phipps had incorporated all this together into a very nice little 
package.  The sound card is critical of course, and most laptops don't have 
one that is sufficient.  But I think if you check Larry's website and/or his 
Yahoo group site you will find some recommendations.  Besides, it could be 
something of a wait for Elecraft to get around to following up on their 
indicated desire to produce a bandscope.  In the meantime, this could be a 
relatively inexpensive way to accomplish much the same thing.


Dave W7AQK

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Interesting Stuff At Dayton

It appears to me that it would be a second receiver only with the aid of a
PC, sound card and SDR software.

What I would like to see is an external bandscope that does not require a
computer. Either it would be completely self contained, or it would use an
inexpensive portable LCD TV for its display. Perhaps Elecraft will come up
with something like this in the future?

-
Julian, G4ILO  K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392
G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
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[Elecraft] RX/TX problem

2008-05-19 Thread Mike Kasrich
Last week I was on the list when my K-3 went belly up.  The support 
folks were on top of the problem right away. Kudos to them.  The problem 
appears to be an intermittent socket/connection between the txco and the 
ref board.  When pressure is applied down on the txco towards the front 
shield the RX/TX comes to life and the synth calibrates.  Why the 
failure happened in the first place is a mystery since the radio was 
working fine then quit. 


In any event it would appear to be a simple enough fix at this point.

73 all
Mike/aj9c

P.S. Despite the problem I still got on the list for a second K-3 at Dayton!

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RE: [Elecraft] Buddipole stuff at Dayton

2008-05-19 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Very interesting. That automatic Buddipole reminds me of C3PO's skinny
younger brother. 

Ron AC7AC

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Subject: [Elecraft] Buddipole stuff at Dayton


A friend of mine, K8EAB, took some pictures at Dayton of the new stuff 
at Buddipole.

Several new Buddipole Products were shown for the first time at the Dayton
Hamvention ... I saw the Automatic Buddipole at the QRP Vendor Night
presentation, along with a compact 40-amp super-cap power supply ... the
Automatic Buddipole will have a remote control for bandswitching ... At a
Saturday evening dinner, Chris and Budd showed the new Buddipole Rotor
Control Box ... There also were prototypes of a 100-watt Dummy Load and a
new shock-corded mast ... another product soon to be available is a
capacitive hat ...

No information on availability dates or prices, but you can bet if these
products were shown at Dayton, it won't be too long until 
you can place your order ... 

I got permission to post photos that I took ... 

http://picasaweb.google.com/weymouth67/BuddipoleAtDayton2008 
http://picasaweb.google.com/weymouth67/BuddipoleAtDayton2008

73, Wey ...
K8EAB

Stan
KB4IA

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 noise-blanker

2008-05-19 Thread David Yarnes

I also have both, and I concur.

Dave W7AQK

- Original Message - 
From: Tom Childers, N5GE [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: JIM DAVIS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 noise-blanker


On Mon, 19 May 2008 13:17:48 -0700, you wrote:


Gentlemen,

I'm really interested in the K3 but what I'm asking of anyone on this 
reflector is how GOOD IS

IT???
I presently use a TT ORION which has a fantastic 9mhz. (hardware) blanker 
and has made all the
difference in the world for my being able to copy weak signals, especially 
since our typical
noise level here is S-9+ without it!!!  So short of my having to MOVE 
somewhere else (not feasible
at this time!!!) has anyone COMPARED the i.f noise blankers of both the K3 
and the TT Orion

yet???

Many thanks,

Jim Davis/nn6ee
Newbie on the reflector!
___

[snip]

I have an Orion II and K3 SN 806.  The K3 is a much better rig overall than 
the

Orion II and the noise blanker is very much better.

Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq

Those who would give up
Essential Liberty to
purchase a little Temporary
Safety deserve neither
Liberty nor Safety

An excerpt from a letter
written in 1755 from the
Assembly to the Governor
of Pennsylvania.

Support the entire Constitution, not
just the parts you like.

http://www.n5ge.com
http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE

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