The Lake States Fire Science Consortium (LSFSC), funded by the Joint Fire
Science Program (JFSP), is a network of fire managers and scientists
interested in the fire-dependent ecosystems . . .
Fire DEPENDENT ecosystems? Or fire-adapted?
I'd like to hear comments from all ecologists (and
: Ricardo Rivera
To: Wayne Tyson
Cc: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ascension Island: rebuttal of Yale360 article by
Simberloff and Strong
Thanks, Dr. Boyce,
Indeed, it is an interesting rebuttal. I find myself agreeing with some
Ecolog:
I share Simberloff's and Strong's feelings of depression and their
skepticism about novel ecosystems. Most of their criticisms seem
well-founded. However, I do believe that there are things that can be
learned from studying such phenomena.
First, that organisms are opportunists.
in this regard.--Wayne Tyson
Essentially invasive species are invasive because we say they are. Miconia,
smallpox, feral pigs and black rats are species we believe are damaging to
humans, our economic or ecological enterprises, or the environment.
Similarly
ecosystems are human constructs, as Tansley
.
There is really no time to argue on definitions.
Francesca
From: Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem
Cultivation of plants and animals
. Culture, however, is the invention that got us into this trouble
in the beginning a mere ten or fifteen thousand years ago.
WT
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From: Aaron T. Dossey bugoc...@gmail.com
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Cc: Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net; Aaron T. Dossey bugoc...@gmail.com
, product
manufacturing, its delivery, storage, consumption, waste, waste, and waste.
Kind inefficient, ay?
WT
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From: mcnee...@cox.net
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU; Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human
All:
By respectable, I meant main-stream ecology.
WT
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From: Judith S. Weis jw...@andromeda.rutgers.edu
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem
Respectable journals won't publish
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To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Human-assembled ecosystem
Dear WT,
How about cultivation of fungi by termites and ants?
Andres Vina
Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote:
A cornfield requires cultivation. An ecosystem
Some pretty damn good commentary, if a bit challenging to intelligently
comment upon--mainly due to the scattered nature of the points alluded to.
While I, too, am looking forward to the citations, I would prefer a separate
healthy discussion on Clements and invasion biology from those
Forum:
One of the most interesting articles I have read in a long time. I'd like to
look at as much written material on this as I can.
My explanation is simple: Species do what they can, when they can, where
they can.
WT
PS: However, we still need a database that models the minimum
The most relevant and interesting questions here are related more to what
this phenomenon can tell us rather than what it cannot tell us--entirely
apart from the quality, for the worse or for the better, of the writing of
this particular article. I only know that it was news to me--no doubt
Forum:
Has anyone counted all of the sub-categories (or sub-disciplines) of ecology?
Are they listed anywhere?
WT
I stand open for correction, but would this not be more related to free
water than humidity? Unless I am mistaken, de Souza seems to be more
interested in the atmosphere that exists within soil pore-space.
The most interesting question that I hope he and his colleagues will
investigate will
2013 College Rankings and Higher Education's New Caste System
Wednesday, September 4, 2013
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Good job! And high-time! I couldn't have said it as well, much less better.
While the dispassionate tone is properly neutral (and scientifically
disciplined) by sticking to facts and avoiding politics, 'We, The People'
may need stronger stuff to get the point, the bottom-line. This is the
So many are afraid to speak up for themselves to just earn minimum wage in
fear
of being on some blacklist in the wildlife biology community. I'm not one
of those people.
This took real courage. Because I know from past contact with other students
that the intimidation is real--especially in
Erika and Ecolog:
Here's a piece of science writing that you can have fun with looking for
reporting flaws. This is why it's important to read the primary source
material--and even to read that very critically. I look forward to y'all's
take on this.
WT
A great guide? I'd like one too, and I live here. Let me/us know what you
find!
Do you want one with pix or a flora. Lugging around the new Jepson/Hickman
requires superhuman strength and stamina. I tried to talk Hickman into
putting it disk form before it was published, but he would have
Ecolog:
In the long tradition of science, information has gladly been exchanged and
provide at no cost (time, postage stamps, paper, and envelope costs were
borne by the receiver of the request, although requesters commonly provided
SASE's) upon request to colleagues and serious amateurs
Ecolog:
The Canadians are 'way ahead of US on this! Queen's University has been one
of the few to come up with some interesting wrinkles on academic publishing,
and has been doing so for (over a decade?) a long time.
The deficiencies of the old system is one plague that has needed
the endangered species program but work cooperatively
with the CRP program -- mostly because it pays to do so, but the result is
more habitat for chickens.
If it is all converted to monoculture, where will the Lesser Prairie
Chickens go?
David McNeely
Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote:
Do I
of 100 1 A fields.
I'ld like to see the program refined to improve large parcel
participation and only allow small parcel participation if they are
all connected.
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote:
Honorable Ecolog:
As usual, McCallum gives us
Honorable Ecolog:
Would you please share your thoughts on this topic? I am frequently asked for
advice about how best to embark upon the study of biology and ecology, and I am
simply too long out of date to answer responsibly. But I, too, am curious about
how one might best most effectively
.
WT
Not sent from my iPhone.
- Original Message -
From: Sharif Branham
To: Wayne Tyson
Cc: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] ENERGY Biofuels and their questionable potential Re:
[ECOLOG-L] Switchgrass Conference
:52 PM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote:
If I understand the purpose of Ecolog correctly, it is a place for
announcements of matters of interest to ecologists and their
fellow-travelers, and a place for informal discussion of such matters.
The
most basic unwritten rule that governs discourse
money, all other goals are secondary.
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:52 PM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote:
If I understand the purpose of Ecolog correctly, it is a place for
announcements of matters of interest to ecologists and their
fellow-travelers, and a place for informal discussion
Ecolog:
While I do understand that an increase in species diversity is a logical
conclusion to be drawn from data derived from surveys, I believe it is an
overgeneralization; as such, it cannot be extended to all areas, and much more
work needs to be done to better understand the causes of
Ecolog:
Well, the first thing we've (scientists and other intellectually-disciplined
humans) gotta do is stop referring to non-human animals as animals as if
they not just other species and refer to them as other animals or
non-human animals. This is a bad habit that perpetuates a popular
Zhang:
Most root patterns are distorted (guided) by three things--available
water, oxygen, and pore diameter. Most plants have limited ability to
increase effective pore size (there are exceptions) at the root-tip, but
most root growth strength is by expansion of diameter, and that can be
Honorable Forum:
Would someone inform me about the state of ecology as a discipline?
I am particularly interested if there is any organized approach and the kind of
disciplined sequencing of research efforts, and the degree to which such
discipline might be lacking in the field of ecology.
While I agree with Dave (et al? Who else?) completely, I interpreted Wendee as
drawing on her experience but having lost/forgotten the references that support
her conclusion that monocultures = lower species diversity than the tropical
forest removed to plant the plantations. Is there any
Do I hear a Giant Sucking Sound? What is the evidence that switchgrass can
produce more energy that it takes to get said energy to the point of doing
work more efficiently than alternatives? What are the implications for the
ecosystems that would be effectively destroyed by widespread planting
I'd like some better-informed opinion and references to replicated research on
this topic.
I'd especially like well-informed comments on this article:
http://www.nationofchange.org/worldwide-honey-bee-collapse-lesson-ecology-1371046688
WT
I would like to know more about endoscopes too, especially how long they can
be, their diameter, remote operation, lights, etc. And experiences about
their use.
WT
- Original Message -
From: Lui Marinelli lmarine...@selkirk.ca
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Monday, June 10,
You might be interested in:
E. Tarroux, A. DesRochers. Effect of natural root grafting on growth
response of jack pine (Pinus banksiana; Pinaceae). American Journal of
Botany, 2011; 98 (6): 967 DOI: 10.3732/ajb.1000261
WT
- Original Message -
From: Kathleen Knight laca0...@umn.edu
I thus rest previous cases on the subject of the importance of clarity of
terminology.
However, should there be discussion on the relative value of quicker and
more crude methods for getting a handle on what's there? As long as one
takes observer error out, Braun-Blanquet (aka Brown Blanket)
committed to rectangular plots from then
on.
Dave
On 6/2/2013 12:55 AM, Wayne Tyson wrote:
Rick/Ecolog:
I think you are absolutely right to question these procedures; in fact
your post set off so many bells in what's left of my mind that it looked
like the Fourth of July and New Year's
All:
Rather than hang this onto the recent/ongoing discussion of plot sampling for
density, I will say that the more I think about it, the more difficulty I have
in seeing the value in measuring either cover or density. Both have more to do
with the present state of an ecosystem in terms
Rick/Ecolog:
I think you are absolutely right to question these procedures; in fact your
post set off so many bells in what's left of my mind that it looked like the
Fourth of July and New Year's combined! I hesitate to make any remarks at
all unless there is enough interest to get into a lot
Keep up the good work, Malcolm!
Some of your remarks remind me of an incident when I remained silent after a
prominent ecologist corrected me during a meeting about an important
project sponsored by a national organization having to do primarily with
birds and their habitats. At a meeting of
The etymology of the term landscape means to scrape the land. Not much
to do with ecology. Yes, I know that the word has come to mean something
else, but it interferes with public understanding of the fundamental
opposition of landscaping with ecosystems.
It may be futile, but I'm gonna keep
What is a standard ecological data? What are standard ecological data?
WT
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From: John Stanton-Geddes joh...@uvm.edu
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:38 PM
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] statistical methods survey
WHAT: We are looking for early
Ecolog is such a valuable resource, but I suspect that it has the potential of
being greatly more so if a few of my wishes came to pass. I do not mean in how
the listserv is managed, but in how it is used.
I wish that subscribers would address all of there responses to Ecolog rather
than to
Quite. But the original Indo-European root, skep meant to hack or to cut.
One has to go farther back than the Internet to get to the original
etymological roots. Etymologists make mistakes too. That's what peer review
and replication of research is for.
But no matter--I know that there's a
My farewell talk to SERCAL on fuzzy logic
(http://www.ecologyandsociety.org/vol5/iss2/art5/ ) was met with mostly
silence; one of the questioners said something to the effect that fuzzy math
wasn't real science. So I, too, am interested in the substance of the
debate.
But to tell you the
Leon,
I thought you might be interested in knowing about this entirely
self-sufficient (no irrigation, no fertilizer, no maintenance. Mediterranean
ecosystem on a roof that I did back in the last century. You can see how it
looked as of the last Google Map by entering these coordinates (look
I agree with David that horizontal would be better, but you might check with
utility companies which use antennae cut to a precise frequency used to mark
the location of underground utilities. Many years ago I talked a local gas
electric company into donating a few to identify the ends of a
Thanks, Tom. Your Native Seed Conference came off very well if the single
day I spent there (April 10) was a fair sample of its quality. I look
forward to hearing about your next one, and perhaps one of broader
scope--say an Ecosystem Restoration Conference?
The Institute for Applied Ecology
Lou Ziegler once said that Nature has shrugged off countless species in the
history of the earth, and she will shrug of Homo sapiens in the same way. When
that happens, things can get back to normal.
WT
“In the heart of the city I have heard the wild geese crying on the pathways
that lie
I do not meet the criteria: Ideas for research foci and challenges will be
accepted between April 1 and April 30, 2013 from individuals who are
graduate students, postdoctoral associates or faculty at an eligible
institution (e.g., a university, college, or non-profit research
organization
Ecolog,
Yes, but what is a problematic species? How far away from an organism's
natural range does it have to be to be considered alien? Organisms do
what they can, when they can, where they can, and there's not a hell of a
lot we can do about it.
WT
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From:
Ecolog:
Howley makes an excellent point. Habitats are not PLACES, but conditions
that permit an organism to survive and reproduce. GARDENING with native
plants certainly can preserve germplasm and create habitats (or at least
fragments of habitat) for other native species, and thus should not
Aleta and Ecolog:
Good point. The issues are complex, but not beyond at least adequate
understanding; everything is connected to everything else.
BTW, some biologists got into a bit of a mess in parts of the west when they
were successful in eradicating salt cedar from some reaches of major
We saw a single specimen in NM (NW/Demming) a few days ago, but apparently they
are present in large numbers, and are considered a pest by ecologists and
ranchers.
I'd like to hear from Ecolog about this subject, particularly the good science
done on it.
WT
Ecolog:
For a different kind of green roof, go to 33.511108,-117.752868 in
satellite view and look at both the vertical and street views. This roof was
restored to the indigenous ecosystem late in the last century and requires
no irrigation or maintenance (it is entirely self-sufficient)
[NOTE:] I will be on expedition (with a stop at the National Native Seed
Conference in Santa Fe NM on April 10) until the two weeks at the end of April
and the first week of May, then gone again beginning the 2nd week of May until
around May 24. I will not be checking email during those
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From: Warren W. Aney a...@coho.net
To: 'Wayne Tyson' landr...@cox.net; ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: [ECOLOG-L] Expedition notice and question
Wayne, I once had a beef cow that refused to mate with a bull -- she did
lactate and help nurture another
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a step back and address the dynamics of the
natural sciences, and the contributions of various anthropogenic
forces.
-JD
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote:
David,
Thanks for your remarks and thoughts. As I said in my postscript, the post
was written in my Op-Ed
I could be quite wrong on this (corrections requested), but I would be
concerned about device error, something like observer error with things
like bottles. I suspect the two stakes, say a couple of meters apart with
the tops level, driven to considerable depths and protruding from the sand a
Ecolog:
Now I've heard everything! Models? Models? We don't need no stinkin' MODELS!
(Paraphrased from the great old movie, The Treasure of Sierra Madre, one of
the earliest attempts to illustrate environmental responsibility)
What we need is to get out on the range (a bogus concept for
discipline. --Raymond M. Gilmore
Nine-tenths of the hell being raised in the world is well-intentioned.
--Anonymous
- Original Message -
From: David Burg
To: Wayne Tyson
Cc: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology
I knew that academics have a habit of crossing swords, but I didn't realize
it had come to actually dueling.
WT
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[clip]
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Postdoctoral position with duel appointment in ecology
and geography
Postdoctoral Position Involving Geo-Ecological
I don' know nuthin' 'bout best practices, except that some of them are far
from best, and (largely because of the term) some downright dangerous.
Better to use your own brain than to obediently follow uncritically. (Not
that anyone on this list would do that.) The problem with best practices
Dev and Ecolog:
Thanks for clarifying your objectives. (My issue is... I want to explain
the variations in growth that are caused by climate. The data that I have
is a time series on DBH and *some *heights for 40 years for around 65 trial
locations covering entire Asutria. Usually DBH
This (Langen post) strikes me as right on the money. Is this a trend? I hope
so. Not all textbooks are bad (for example, I found Ricklef's ECOLOGY to be
an exception), but a friend of mine who teaches geology uses no textbooks at
all. And as research volume explodes, the greatest need is for
Dev (and Ecolog):
Climate is highly variable from place-to-place, even in the same location,
and all kinds of site variables can affect tree height and dbh (not to
mention age). Mean annual anything as independent variables are next to
worthless (or worse, misleading) unless you have years,
AIBS and Ecolog:
Regarding 5) Establish an enduring and sustainable knowledge base.
Some months ago, the Smithsonian's Encyclopedia of Life requested suggestions
concerning how to make use of their data.
Will the AIBS program be isolated from EOL, integrated with it, dupicative of
it, or
Joanna and Ecolog:
Seems reasonable to me. The tension between change and resistance to change
is always a mix of pros and cons, advantages and disadvantages. And this is
good. In a cooperative society, nobody gets rich, but everybody prospers. In
a competitive culture, winners pile up
Y'all:
Good. I'd like to see a program that is at least an input-output model that
includes all the factors, including those which affect transpiration and
evaporation, infiltration and percolation--just for starters. It should
predict things like streamflow accurately, but things like
Cynthia and Ecolog:
I neglected to pipe up in response to CR. She's dead right--why would anyone
want to work with some bully or pack of bullies anyway? But the fact is, as
I have often been advised by Ecolog lurkers off-list, all kinds of
intimidation seems to take place in lots of
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From: Cynthia O'Rourke
To: Wayne Tyson
Cc: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: Science Publications Review bias prevention Re: [ECOLOG-L] So
what does the science say? ... Re: [ECOLOG-L] Gender issues
It's apparently the norm in some fields
Message -
From: malcolm McCallum malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org
To: Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
Cc: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: Ecology Jobs and Living Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate Student's
Guide to Neces sary Skills for Landing a Job
Y'all,
Green and sustainable, and yes, even perhaps biodiversity are examples
of terms that have lost some of their utility because they have been
hijacked by Madison Avenue (ad nauseam) as buzz-words and sales gimmickry,
and often serve to cause the sheep to stray off into greener pastures
Ecolog:
It's just interesting that the number-one skill required for ecology is GIS.
Now I know why I was such a failure!
Well, on second thought, I guess I shouldn't place all the blame on the
absence of GIS skills (and the absence of GIS at the time). I sucked at
statistics too--but what
discounting their claims as junk (not junk science) and charlatanism.
Malcolm
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote:
Malcolm and Ecolog,
Ignore them? (They want publicity.)
When I was in the Forest Service in Northern California in the late
fifties
and early sixties
Francesca,
I hope you'll post a summary here.
Certainly you have seen this:
http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/TOOLS/PNAI/pnaicompare.php?pn=7481x=83y=35
I appreciate your emphasis on scientific as opposed to conventional wisdom.
WT
PS: I am particularly interested in studies on the effects on
Ecolog:
I find myself mostly in agreement with most of the objectors to my post, and
this is no exception. In fact, I am overjoyed to discover how wrong I am and
how exceptional my experiences have been. Apparently the required courses now
include enough basic biology and botany, for example,
work where the wheel actually
meets the road. Overview? It appears so. But I wonder what the facts really
are.
WT
- Original Message -
From: malcolm McCallum malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org
To: Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
Cc: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 6
a species traits and and local
selection
pressure(s) through time.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote:
Bruce and Ecolog:
I would like to see the video. And I would like to see a list of
strange
myths. Perhaps Ecolog subscribers could post those of which
are the positions of all non-evolutionary
biologists. Ecologists?
WT
- Original Message -
From: mcnee...@cox.net
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU; Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] EVOLUTION Misconceptions Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution
I will not be able to attend, but for what it's worth, I performed an
ecosystem restoration on the roof of a house on the Pacific coast several
years ago (1990's?). it is entirely self-sufficient, requiring no irrigation
or maintenance. It can be seen from the Coast Highway in Laguna Beach at
Bruce and Ecolog:
I would like to see the video. And I would like to see a list of strange
myths. Perhaps Ecolog subscribers could post those of which they are aware?
For example: Evolution improves species over time.
WT
- Original Message -
From: Bruce Robertson rober...@msu.edu
Ecolog:
Yet another well-crafted statement.
When I was, many decades ago, a manager for a very large and heavily-used
public park of considerable fame, we were not permitted to remove large
trees until we could prove beyond a SHADOW of a doubt that the tree was in
imminent danger of falling
This is really interesting information about which I had not thought.
However, it does not appear to be directly relevant to tree damage out of
the tree care context.
If I interpret Roth correctly,
It would be nice if he could provide us a link to the Best Management
practices for Tree Risk
branches kill people in the
forest--there's even been a name for them for years.
- Original Message -
From: Me gwpatt...@yahoo.com
To: Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
Cc: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Tree stump removal in sensitive
poison. As scientists it behooves us to keep emotion out of science.
NC
On 19 January 2013 23:11, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote:
Ecolog:
I know I won't convince Me that while public safety concerns about
falling trees (and dropping branches) might sometimes be exaggerated, the
truth
poisons because some one they knew mistakenly drank rat
poison. As scientists it behooves us to keep emotion out of science.
NC
On 19 January 2013 23:11, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote:
Ecolog:
I know I won't convince Me that while public safety concerns about
falling trees (and dropping
Good idea in the wild, but in a place where there are lots of people, one
has to think of what it hits when it falls after the roots rot enough--it's
just fine until that instant when the last bit of rot or burrowing rodent or
whatever cuts the last bit of dead tissue--and BAM! Somebody's dead.
would be
displayed--a predictive model for, say, warming, radiation, etc, etc, and who
knows, maybe even the effects, if any, of charcoal, ad infinitum.
WT
- Original Message -
From: Martin Meiss
To: Wayne Tyson
Cc: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu
Sent: Thursday, January 17
help on this.
Francesca
From: Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 1:49 AM
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Permaculture mysteries Re: [ECOLOG-L] [Be the
Change]
Sustainability, Permaculture and Leadership
Ecolog:
I
You can cut out a large cavity (about half the diameter, but at least four
inches of trunk left all the way around) in the stump and fill it with
charcoal, and set it afire. Under most conditions, the tree and large roots
will burn slowly from the inside out. You might later get a nice crop of
Stjepan and Ecolog:
I'd be interested in all responses to this enquiry.
Forestry Suppliers (USA) used to sell (and probably still does) a
large-diameter (4-6 inches or a decimeter or so) hand-boring tool that
worked well for me in floodplain silts and sands, cutting through roots and
large
I have read some papers on this subject that seemed to be rather lame
fronts for business-as-usual. Has the Society of Tropical Foresters ferreted
out papers of this nature and exposed the authors? I'd like a few examples,
and comments from others on just how bad this problem is.
WT
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Good idea (I hope), but as I am not connected with any academic institution,
I will not be able to submit. Perhaps someone else who is properly connected
can:
'One of the major problems with agriculture, particularly in the developing
world, is that it means destruction of ecosystems and
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--- On Wed, 1/9/13, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote:
From: Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Recommendations for affordable Field PC Tablets?
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013, 7:53 PM
John and Ecolog
Ecolog:
These are the same old generalizations and appeals for money based on
sentiment that I heard from Mollison in the 1970's. The Permaculture folks
never seem to get even close to specifics, and that bothers me. Mollison did
get into specifics back then, in a personal conversation we had
Reasonably rugged also can hold a range of value. The cost of damage to
the project can, in reality, far exceed the cost of the right equipment. I
will certainly look into these, and would like to know how they compare,
say, to the Panasonic, Tough Book series.
Anybody have any info on such a
or interest in save for having looked
at and considered it).
http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_slates_motion_cl900_full.html
John Mickelson
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