selected for us, the overhead and wide angle shots, the military precision
choreography, and the close ups of the little girl who sang, and, it turned
out, lip synched the song.
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is the content./message?
I think CRUMB was involved in curating a games exhibition a while back, if i
remember. But games surely are hegemonic, no?
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, was becoming less than particpatory, but i
could be wrong. ?? I am sorry if I misunderstood.
What readership, Norah, was invited, in your work?
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School of Arts
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From: Johannes Birringer
Sent: 13 May 2009 19:24
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Subject: critical motion nowhere and everywhere at some time
hello all:
thanks Norah for drawing attention to a question that perhaps might like
to see itself addressed
dear Deborah, dear all
may I return for a moment to a mail you, Deborah, sent me about tank man
tango, in response to my question regarding its address
.
It's a memorial- my greatest hopes for it are that it brings life to the past,
recollectivises a lone hero figure, and gives people a
hello:
fascinating citation from a dancer (something we need to hear more here) about
practicing inventive curiosity, and Dana Caspersen,
ending in the reference to Takasui, helps with her reminder of conscious
activity of body-minds never inert but always responsive as well as generative
with these various new softwares,
sensors and so forth
Since most interactive performance art I now find problematic and dysfunctional
(artistically, ethically), i would be hard pressed to answer this positively.
It has not been a generous form of public experiment, i fear.
regards
Johannes Birringer
of postmodernism; cultural
hybridisation; travelling as a new way to produce forms; and the expanding
formats of art.
I like the bit about surfing.
I'm still reading Marc's long texts, so am behind.
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with many regards
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Sent: Mon 7/27/2009 7:03 PM
To: soft_skinned_space
Subject: [-empyre-] please welcome Alex Donis
Hi -empyreans-,
Just when you thought 'queer
Hi Robert
what moments of danger or passing intimacies do you have in mind?
i tend to think (am not thinking of October actually and hardly see them
as having or being a model of dominat art history in the US, surely not beyond)
site specific art or other art, relational or digital or non, the
this is a very beautiful evocation of bridges (in Gloria' Anazaldua's writing)
and
the transformation you address, Christina.
thanks for recallng Anzaldua,
she was an inportant inspiration in the 90s for many for us.
thanks also for sending me a link to your video, soda lake (unbound'),
this is a very beautiful evocation of bridges (in Gloria' Anazaldua's writing)
and
the transformation you address, Christina.
thanks for recallng Anzaldua,
she was an inportant inspiration in the 90s for many for us.
thanks also for sending me a link to your video, soda lake (unbound'),
which
might be gunshots, police
sirens, and dogs barking. A blinding light will be pointed at you.
with regards
Johannes
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extent does it
succeed?
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, is a Schnipsel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhS08Kro70INR=1
Since it has religious connotations and antedates Chris Crocker (Leave Britney
Alone), it is worth stuudying perhaps.
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DAP Lab
London
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of the claims made for the consumer as author. Therse claims
never worked in the theatre either.
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to unintended use such as
gambling, sex, profanity and just plain stupidity. A recent
look at one of Michael Mandiberg's works on turbulence that allowed for
comments showed a collection over time of 2000 unrelated comments, all of
which had to be
removed.)
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of ancestors. that form or sharing differs from
re-unmixing, does it?
yes, it also is necessary to ask whether the centres (and the patrilinear
theories/theorists accounted for in much discussion here) can be shifted.
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, Christina !!
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Subject: [-empyre-] Thanks to Christina McPhee
The online community of -empyre soft
other dramatiurgies, and how such dramaturgies flow back
to motion graphics, or whether industial practices are being adopted
(variously) for other kinds of movement by creative users , and how.
regards
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dap lab
west london
.
Dear Tom and Lev,
I have enjoyed both of your
Gabriel Shalom meant by
autodocumentarian subjects ?
greetings
Johannes
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(or pedagogics) evaluate how behaviors of
interaction or reception of the processual affect exhibitions and performances?
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Yann Le Guennec writes
I think that the term 'generative' is now closely linked to what is
called 'generative art', dealing
who did
experience its processual-ness , or showed work in it, can speak a bit more
about what objects or performances, prototypes or processes or nonobjects and
interactional strategies you set in motion there?
thanks !
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Johannes Birringer
dap / dans sans joux
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I have received Johannes Birringer's letter. In the letter said: Along with
the now standard embrace of the life sciences and biology. Okay, so we are
talking about programming organisms? processual organisms? can you give some
associated with the artistic, and then what artistic terms are meant?
Simon quoting Kevin
So how do we attend to creativity's ontology as a condition of being social,
without ending up with just another form of instrumentalized freedom?
indeed.
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Interaktionslabor
it as physically, emotionally and spiritually enriching in a
communal sense (and now we are back to ritual)? Is there a relational
consciousness and what would it be like?
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front and back stages, and
here i think the term imagined community quickly reaches various critical
borderlines.
has anyone been at DAW in Xi'an?
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PS. one aspect of the latest collaboration turned out to be quite beautiful,
we made
-shamanic and non-Amazonian context?
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* reference to J.Birringer, Performance, Technology Science (NY: PAJ
Publications, 2008), pp. 261-86.
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?). May I ask Kriss whether she likes to comment on Le
Don ?
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- questions
that almost none were asked this week.
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the impossible manifesto that Hakim Bey wrote in 1985:
The Temporary Autonomous Zone, Ontological Anarchy, Poetic Terrorism
http://hermetic.com/bey/taz_cont.html
what a fascinating and strange text!
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dear all, dear Ruth
I don't think there should be a need to apologize for 'poorly timed
interjections' as i believe this months debate is/has been ongoing and your
response to postings that
went out here over the weekend is much appreciated,
in fact I was interested in your telling us that
media
archive an important challenge you raised?
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is very much what this is about, on every level,
Lynn argues, and I wonder whether this is as easily done as it is claimed.
respectfully
Johannes Birringer
claudia wrote
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Conservar, Documentar, Archivar.
Hello everyone,
I respond
dieser
Freiheit ist proportional den Regeln und Beschränkungen der Kontingenz, die den
Rahmen unserer Existenz einschränken würden, d.h. den Rahmen unseres
Bewusstseins dieses Zustands des Archivs, das wir im Begriff sind aufzubauen.
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dear all
this just came in from a graduate student, and you might like to hear about it
and pass it on, it seems to touch upon our subject, and Patrick's interesting
warning voice, in a nice way. I adore the way curators talk about antiquated
concepts/data of the human.
one make of this. naturally, we hear that some will buy the the
erring edition precisely now for that reason, namely the errors.
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maybe but in the way of understanding other people's contexts.
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[empyre-boun...@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au] On Behalf Of Cynthia Beth Rubin
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Sent: Monday, October 04
hi all
thanks Jon for this text excerpt from your writing, and it seems you are
grappling in a very interesting way with Diana Taylor's potentially confusing
so-called juxtaposition -- between the archive of supposedly enduring
materials (i.e., texts, documents, buildings, bones) and the
inflected with imagery from everyday Northern/ Inuit life: broken skidoos,
someone gutting a seal, garbage dumps, and such.
thanks
Johannes Birringer
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B. Bogart writes
I believe that technology and IP, as it is currently practised, makes
any preservation nearly impossible
- is not so sale-able, yes? Is the maneuver
that Cindy Zeng/ Lao Dan and Hart Cafe undertook a logical one?
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Dear all, dear Edward
thanks for your recent response, and commentaries on the independent scene.
I felt a bit foolish afterwards for thinking that the website (Cindy Zeng/Lao
Dan and Hart Cafe)
meant that they had expanded or changed their policy and were alive and well; I
tried to
contact
turned down. In other words, the Chinese authorities appear to be
simultaneously infuriated by him and proud of him, as an artist of
international standing. One can only hope it buys him enough space to continue
working.
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Johannes Birringer
the West to East but what about the diaspora, the many
Chinese artists who have gone to other places?
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of media, marketing, messages,
branding, surveillance, study, investigation, knowledge and, most of
all, information
this is a lot to escape from; more or less you want to escape culture
or (critical) frameworks as such?what am i misundestanding?
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Menotti
and most rewarding, one gathers.
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Christina schreibt:
Thanks, Julian! I look forward to checking out the sites. In fact,
there is no way to be sure that any of us is experiencing the same site
unless we do side by side comparisons because we have yet to have
managed.
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technologies (social choreographies),
and ask whether and how they differ from arts-based/contexted performances.
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social role, however, is an important subject that
I hope we come back to.
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Susan wrote:
I am interested in questions about how wearable technologies interface with
their cultural contexts. In that regard,
Sarah's questions about performability
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recent conference at Southampton:
http://www.solent.ac.uk/news/2011/thebodyinflux.aspx)?
the goth body? and how mass media play across these categories now or how
fashion/advertising/entertainment
in the late age of perverse capitalism is a rather chaotic mess, no?
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dear all
well, it's been announced the month's discussion is nearly or practically over,
and one already has a sense that for some reason the discussion didn't come
together,
or discussants posted and left/did not return, some returned but it felt we
were not
having a conversation, or debate on
fully conscious of the choices we make and what gestures we have
adopted, and then again, often we are fully/performatively conscious
of the roles we play, and thus colonization (if you look at the text below) is
a fractious political problem.
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the wearing is always
necessarily connected up with the anatomies, and whether a body without organs
or an unintelligible body schema/image is creatable, an immanently diffused and
morphosic body wearing and unwearing iitself? I don't know, hmm. don't think
so.
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Not sure what there is, so lovable,
about the rhetorical manifesto (Stateless1 Pavillion Biennale.jpg) of futile
gestures,
and the proposal to squat between the fascist monuments (german and italian
pavilions) in the Giardini, if one were to travel to Italy,
that would require a passport, no?
, not clients, nor pirates.
I hope folks were clapping frequently during the Google speech.
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now
that the locale is left behind? how does this coming in and then leaving
behind affect the theme of zones of contact?
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-Contingent Performance, where he also weaves together his previous
practice and research on Carmelo Bene and the Baroque (1998-2000), on Tarantism
and Butoh (1998-2007) and tinnitus/hyperacusis (1998-to present).)
thank you
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[1] First reflection, Prolog from Michael Weiss.
- - -
Creating and Performing Existential Fields of Knowledge (Reflections on a
Choreolab)
A person wanted to learn dancing and went to a teacher of
dance, asking:
“What is dance?“ The teacher answered by
[1] First reflection, Mov.1 (last part), from Michael Weiss.
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Research with / through / of Body Mind
At the very day the Choreolab ended, I went on to an interdisciplinary seminar
of
four days which happened to be a scientific forum, consisting of so--‐‑called
΄senior
fellows΄ from
into a chaotic light foam to be dispersed by
the wind.
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[relayed]:
Dear Johannes, dear friends,
Before writing some notes for our topics, I feel the need to add some sentences
to my bio. I am an artist, a dancer who compose his dances through using the
Eshkol-Wachman Movement-Notaion (EWMN) an israeli invention (1958). This system
describes the
, and may we ask others to join in, please?
Johannes Birringer
references
[1] Tim Ingold, “Against Soundscape,” in Angus Carlyle (ed.), Autumn. Leaves:
Sound and the Environment in Artistic Practice (Paris: Double Entendre, 2007),
pp. 10-13. See also his “The eye of the storm: visual perception
... thought was not complete-d,
when I suggested an issue came up listening moving during the choreolab, and
that was when the film cameras were used at some point, and were considered an
intrusion. Not by everyone, but probably by some, and we wondered whether we
move differently when
[3] Third reflection, Mov.3, from Michael Weiss.
Choreolab as / and Science Arts-Based Research
Art-based research [1] and advanced scientific
thinking share a fundamental commitment to allowing
the phenomena being studied to
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with Olu's
philosophical thoughts on duration time (not measurable time)?
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Reference
[1] I try to address this by looking at Artaud's 1947 recording of Pour en
finir avec le jugement de dieu, and the distinction – and convergence –
between experience of pain
Gordana's longer and invigorating post, Artaud, ritual, spectacle,
alchemy...and a pinch of science really invites a final
round of comments and feedbacks from this week's workshop discussants, and I am
already tantalized by what our speakers from next week
will have to say as some of the
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one question kept spiraling in my mind -- it had to do with Gordana's
speculation on
audience participation/audience time and experience in interactional art works
or
interactive architectures that aspire to being ritual..?
[Gordana writes]
I think that it is a necessary element that can
'understanding', in spectatorship?
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, perhaps, at Pompidou
Centre. In addition, he has been active on the Executive Board of The Subtle
Technologies Association (http://www.subtletechnologies.com).
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of our fine
post fordist societies -- perform or else!
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thanks for joining us, Scott, and also thanks to all who posted today, we
invite
feedback and open discussion this weekend::
best wishes
Johannes
From: Scott Taylor [fs...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:08 PM
Hello:
SPEED UP LEADS TO SLOW DOWN AS IN GRID-LOCK: HYPER
current
conditions of perverse capitalism),
.. and repeat Nilüfer's incisive question: who are I/we to talk about
decelerating culturally or anything about society and culture?
moderately
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that is experienced at high speeds.
http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/leonardo/summary/v044/44.5.marshall.html
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. Thus, a
terrifying prospect of radical exclusion make us continuously deny the
ambiguous nature of our own beings
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Sonja writes:
I am always surprised when people think post-urban in the world that is,
looking from
thanks Anne-Sarah for sharing your work – Outre-ronde - Beyond-Round.
(Lentir, sentir, sondre)
– with us, and some of the links where we can see
the configurations for your interactional design...
was it just now shown at ZKM in Karlsruhe?i like the overall theme of the
exhibition,
-better-liam-neeson_creation]
Thought experiment: on this Halloween or All Saints Night take Michael
Jackson’s choreography for Thriller and slow the dance of the zombies down to
Butoh. It’s not so scary or silly anymore, is it?
peace
Johannes Birringer
Dee,
what would such a cultural pre-movement / effort be, pre-movement' as
discussed by Hubert Godard, which is not under the control of the conscious
subject and combines the cultural as well as the individual?
what notion of affects or forces is posited here, Dee? I am curious what
Dee, thanks for this very interesting response, on Godard, and what you have
now described as analogies of Impulse, through singular and collective
'economies' and depending on how indviduals and collectivities work on our
'corporeities'
- assuming that they can be worked on (consciously)
bravo Sérgio, this is great,
[why not start an OCCUPY SAO PAULO movement occupying the poem (No Balcão das
Almas (o fetiche da mercadoria),
is this worker solidarity with the former inhabitants, the protest? ]
Sérgio schreibst
Dear friends,
This is the poem I've put in the wall, in
creative work :
PS: I am signing out European/UK time, so some of you are still seeing the
sinking sun, and the rising sun in the east,
and i trust our list administrators won't mind at all if you send last
thoughts.
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if this excess will be
effective or not so will attempt to send and see what happens!!
in any case, many thanks for this invite, Johannes, and to all for
inspirational sharings . . .
best
Dee
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of facing front, through practicing
surrendering the pattern of facing a single direction
and being open to many possibilities of being in the here and now - in
relationality,
in relation to the audience and the world.*
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?
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Iannis Zannos schreibt
your summary review of the project post is formulated with a sensitivity and
thoughtfulness which touches some deep strings at least for me. I particularly
appreciate your empathy with the non-western academic situation, to which I
belong
to, may be an open issue.
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Subject: Re: [-empyre-] soft _skinned space and lurking vs.participating
Dear Johannes,
To answer briefly: I believe it would be useful to discuss
activities, yes?
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relations to
the RAF (reproduced a art game or video game), interactive
re/sourcing? theatrical decompatilizing?
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-Meinhof armed
resistance being a hype or hyping itself up, and (now that quite of few of the
first generation of the group are dead), the movies entertainment complex
(and academia) take on the rest?
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ideas?
quite apart from the broken loudspeakers.
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PS Noise and Capitalism proposes that improvisation and noise contain or can
produce emancipatory moments ... these practices point towards social
relations which can extend these moments.
It might
la mediateca de Arteleku o
comprometete a escribir algún comentario del libro, y recibirás una copia en tu
casa.
[from http://www.arteleku.net/noise_capitalism/]
from the horse's mouth?
thanks
regards
Johannes Birringer
As a colleague and friend of their editors/performers, I've been
?
with regards
Johannes Birringer
Magda schreibt:
I wonder if this implies that what is specific to academic work is just a
particular way of accounting for
anything - coming down, precisely (purely?), to an issue of language and
form. Could
Research-Clusters für
Forschungsorganisation und wissenschaftliche. Durchbrüche [which
translates as research cluster for research-organization and scientific
break-throughs].
nothing beats good organization
PS.
We Don’t Record Flowers, Said the Geographer
regards
Johannes Birringer
dap-lab
as impossible) until the very moment when
it springs into being.
so I try to imagine how your Derridean play sounds or looks like?
with regards, and apologies to Tero, Rob and Andrew
Johannes Birringer
DAP-Lab
London
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and an educational outreach
side (to communities children), but there was not a single reference to
politics in four days.
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Johannes Birringer
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