Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
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Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
However, I absolutely don't believe that at graduation we need to
closely examine the assets of the project to make some judgment about
individuals as committers.
O, I don't know. Since
Echoing robert...
inline
Matthieu Riou wrote:
One of thing things that the we need to look at is how to improve
communication across projects. Perhaps having some ontological mailing
lists would be part of a solution.
What ideas and views do others have?
I know that mailing-lists are part
Yoav Shapira wrote:
So we agree that we allow the current proposed committer list as-is,
but when we look at graduation from the incubator we examine test case
and documentation as well as the product source code itself, because
by bringing these people in as committers through the incubator,
Yoav Shapira wrote:
Hola,
A couple of questions:
:Core Developers:
Fourteen of the initial committers are BEA employees. One of those is a
committer on the Apache JDO project. We anticipate that five of these
fourteen will be involved in the core code development, and the other
nine will be
Why do you think it's optional? I do think we should clear it up in or
docs, but the way I think of it is that there's an Apache Member or
Officer who thinks it's a good idea for the project to come here. Seems
like a good idea to have one.
geir
Andrus Adamchik wrote:
So let's go ahead.
Timothy Bennett wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
I've been tracking the progress of the Wicket community for a while now,
as I've personally adopted Wicket as a web application development
framework, both privately and professionally.
What!?!?!?! Not Ruby On Rails Do your friends
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Monday 06 March 2006 03:35, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Timothy Bennett wrote:
On a more serious note, the Apache name brand itself is something of
value.
Note - that is a warning sign :)
Well, it is a fact, isn't it?? The warning sign is when it becomes
Bennett, Timothy (JIS - Applications) wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Wicket] As erspective podling candidate
do *they* want to? why would they want
do *they* want to? why would they want to move?
Alex Karasulu wrote:
Hiya,
I've been following the Wicket project (http://wicket.sourceforge.net)
for some time now and have noticed that besides having an awesome web
framework they've got a solid community behind it all. These folks have
Mike Kienenberger wrote:
Yes, we've already discussed this in the cayenne community and are in
agreement that while we'd prefer TLP, we're ok with being under DB or
Geronimo.
Geronimo? Sheesh.
The issue now is incubation sponsorship, which is independent of landing
spot after graduation.
you needed ant anyway
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
Jean T. Anderson wrote:
The incubator site has a build.sh at
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/infrastructure/site/trunk/build.sh
This appeared with an svn up, thank you for the pointer Jean :)
(After, of course, I surrendered and got ant
excellent. Soon you can check in harmony :)
actually, w/ the J9 VM from IBM under the eval license, Harmony will
already run ant an velocity to build anakia-based sites
:)
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On 3/1/06, Geir Magnusson Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you needed ant anyway
Nah, we
please post the actual proposal to the list, not just a URL
thanks
Andrus Adamchik wrote:
Hi folks,
We at Cayenne project (http://objectstyle.org/cayenne) would like to
join Apache. We wrote a proposal draft that can be viewed here:
Ah, I see Leo did...
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
please post the actual proposal to the list, not just a URL
thanks
Andrus Adamchik wrote:
Hi folks,
We at Cayenne project (http://objectstyle.org/cayenne) would like to
join Apache. We wrote a proposal draft that can be viewed here:
http
I think that this is the longest active running [vote] thread on an
apache list of all time...
It was started on Sun, 18 Dec 2005 04:49:14 GMT
Noel, can you please tally the votes? :)
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
+1
On 2/21/06, Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Why not just modify incubator procedure to make it clear that
1) Mentors make the requests and
2) They sign the email w/ the title $PODLING_NAME Mentor
Now #2 don't prevent someone from misrepresenting themselves - which
would have to be dealt with - but rather it allows us to not act on but
Sounds like Jim is volunteering :)
Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Feb 17, 2006, at 11:02 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
= MENTORS =
These individuals will participate as Incubator Mentors
* Geir Magnusson Jr.
* Davanum Srinivas
* James Strachan
I am +1 on the proposal, but am simply curious
Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
I totally agree these codebases are large and complicated (remember I
was the one who was surprised how fast people found that the Sybase
codebase was nice and cool). If you really think the best solution is
not to force them to merge then let's not go down the
incubator.apache.org
Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
Sorry, that's what I meant. What are the domains for the lists?
Davanum Srinivas wrote, On 2/17/2006 1:19 PM:
harmony-ppmc...Also dont' forget to change the domains for the lists..
-- dims
On 2/17/06, Alan D. Cabrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe I missed the mail, but the final draft of the proposal for Ode was
never posted anywhere for Incubator PMC consideration.
Can we please have this done so that we at least have it in the
incubator mail archive (rather than written in chalk on the sidewalk
aka the wiki)
geir
Noel J.
Could I presume to suggest something as obvious as Apache BPEL or
similar? makes it easier for people to grok what we're doing. I know
it's not terribly imaginative, but might make it easy for people to
recognize it as a BPEL project. (Like ActiveBPEL)
geir
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Bill
The Geronimo PMC needs to vote on sponsoring this.
Before you do that, just to start the discussion :
- Why would the Geronimo PMC sponsor this?
- Isn't BPEL a bit far afield from J2EE, which is our charter as a PMC?
- How about bringing it to Agila, which already has a good start on BPEL
and
Was cross-posted originally and I didn't on my reply...
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Subject: Re: Ode Proposal
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:54:47 -0500
From: Geir Magnusson Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Why not just bring into Agila and work on it in there?
Bill Flood wrote:
Dims,
We heard your plea and have moved the proposal through the incubator as you
suggested. At this point, we are looking for supporters. From the energy
you put behind your posting, we are all hoping you will also be
Bill Flood wrote:
Geir, approaching Agila was our first avenue. We looked at what they had
and I initiated several conversations about donating to that incubator
project.
We offered a base line upon which to build but there did not seem to be any
uptake although both committers said they
welcome that type of open
discussion.
That's why I'm bringing it up here :)
Good luck with it.
geir
On 2/14/06, Geir Magnusson Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bill Flood wrote:
Geir, approaching Agila was our first avenue. We looked at what they
had
and I initiated several conversations about
there are criteria that the Sybase donated engine does not fully measure
against.
While I'm not sure how far along the BPEL engine in Agila is (Twister),
I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't at the same level of completeness
as your implementation.
geir
Lance
On 2/14/06, Geir Magnusson Jr
Aaron Mulder wrote:
On 2/14/06, Geir Magnusson Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the same way that we built Geronimo from best of breed J2EE-ish OSS
projects that are out there, I'm sure we could do a similar thing with BPEL.
Maybe do a bake off to help find the best codebase, and have
was there some crosspost dropped here?
Mads Toftum wrote:
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 02:19:56PM -0800, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
If any project inside or outside of Apache wants their own copy
of this code to develop they can always fork the code (as is allowed
by any open source project).
Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 14:54 +0100, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
What happened to the Starting a java specs project thread?
Um, probably the same thing that happens to many threads- like a
firework .. goes up with heat, blows up in great color and then falls
down
Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
The requirement for iCLAs is pretty straightforward. What is the rule
for requiring CCLAs?
For the actual CCLA, no requirement - it's there for employees to use to
ensure that they have clear ability to participate from the POV of
their employer. IOW, CYA.
How
All thanks go to David. At best, I just kicked a pebble down a hill...
geir
Leo Simons wrote:
Oi!
For those who don't read the incubator cvs list, I just spent a
few hours on the incubator website. Mostly it was a large amount
of small tweaks, fixes and changes; no (serious) content changes
I realize this is late, but I've been momentarily buried, and because I
had also asked that Sam restart the vote, I'd like to symbolically add
my +1 to the proposal.
geir
Sam Ruby wrote:
Even though it is only symbolic at this point, I will express my +1 on
this proposal.
Without delving
thx
David Crossley wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
I thought there would be xdocs from the cwiki I could grab - otherwise,
I need to convert the html to xdoc.
I will 'svn ci' my generated xdocs into site/xdocs2
It would be good if some other people can look
over the new source docs
I thought there would be xdocs from the cwiki I could grab - otherwise,
I need to convert the html to xdoc.
geir
David Crossley wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
This is great. I've been A-B testing with the example I put on ~geir
and things look good. I think some of my hand-done pages look
feel free to kick me in the head if this is a settled issue, but why is
this being done in public since it's about a person?
This has nothing to do with Werner or the project - just wondering...
geir
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
As part of reviving juice, can we please VOTE werner as a committer
Could you please just restart the vote?
AND, given the chatter and discussion, could you post the final proposal
to the mail list again for a vote? I'm not trying to slow this down,
but after all the muss and fuss, 3 more days won't kill it, and it will
be clearer (at least to me...) to have
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Can we please have things go to the mail list, as that should be the
'primary institutional memory' of the incubator community.
+1
But let's try to say such things to be educational, not chastising.
Sorry. The wiki made me do it :) I
This is great. I've been A-B testing with the example I put on ~geir
and things look good. I think some of my hand-done pages look better
but that's because a) I did them by hand and b) I ain't gonna admit I
was showed up by no fancy machine!
Seriously - the cwiki pages were the last bit, I
manually to know the difference.
Anyway, enough of a rant on this. Thanks for getting involved in this.
The ASF is a fun place. really :)
geir
Thanks for your time and suggestions,
Jacopo
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Is this becoming the current de-facto process, posting to a wiki
how about AJAX?
:)
Yoav Shapira wrote:
Hola,
I'll chime in with some name ideas just for consideration ;)
And fwiw, I like 'Jambaloo' as a name but probably that's just me ;-)
Mmm, yeah, maybe that's just you ;)
natural preference towards Japanese names, though,
so I'll suggest Kabuki.
I thought all of it was pretty much done except for the project pages in
cwiki, but you said those are HTML, so just waiting for a shipment of
Round Tuits
Sounds cool, though.
geir
David Crossley wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
I am investigating creating a Forrest output plugin
to do the
Is this becoming the current de-facto process, posting to a wiki? (or
@)#!)#@ wiki, as I tend to think of them...)
Can we please have things go to the mail list, as that should be the
'primary institutional memory' of the incubator community. Feel free to
also have on a wiki for
David Crossley wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
I thought all of it was pretty much done except for the project pages in
cwiki, but you said those are HTML, so just waiting for a shipment of
Round Tuits
Yes but Anakia doesn't deal with HTML, does it?
Right - so I have to convert them
to put in a little block of time to just get that done.
I figure they don't have to be perfect - each podling can nip and tuck
to fix any minor errors that happened.
geir
-David
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
I realize that many might have checked-out of this thread about 200
messages ago
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Brett,
Let's take Tuscany, If the WS PMC had voted on the proposal before it
hit [EMAIL PROTECTED], it would have probably passed the pmc VOTE.
No - if the WS PMC was actually sponsoring it, it wouldn't need a PMC vote.
and
incubator would have had to accept it
:)
geir
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Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Brett,
Let's take Tuscany, If the WS PMC had voted on the proposal before it
hit [EMAIL PROTECTED], it would have probably passed the pmc VOTE.
No - if the WS PMC was actually sponsoring
Jules Gosnell wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Sorry to change the subject...
Can someone make a definitive statement on whether or not code
history is brought into our repo from elsewhere when a podling brings
code over?
I don't see how the incubator can hold a single position
Jules Gosnell wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Jules Gosnell wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Sorry to change the subject...
Can someone make a definitive statement on whether or not code
history is brought into our repo from elsewhere when a podling
brings code over?
I don't
Seems to have the same issue w/ IE 6 and Firefox 1.5 on WinXP
geir
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 06:45:56AM +, Ross Gardler wrote:
It is not (yet) a perfect copy of the main ASF site. We still need some
work on the finer details. However, I hope this is enough to
David Crossley wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Roy T. Fielding wrote:
I don't see any point in having this conversation every year.
Whoever is willing to fix the content on incubator, please feel
free to remove the entire site (except the project status files)
and start over with whatever
Henri Yandell wrote:
On 12/31/05, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I haven't been involved in any history here, so please forgive my naivete.
I think I understand the rationale for developing spec jars here at Apache.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. In order to use a spec jar from
Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
There are plenty of non-JCP specs, e.g. CORBA.
Do they have the same kind of independent artifacts like some of these
JCP specs do? I've been thinking about this too - what other specs have
a similar kind of mechanism?
geir
Roy T. Fielding wrote:
On Dec 31, 2005, at 7:34 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
[SNIP]
I don't see any point in having this conversation every year.
Whoever is willing to fix the content on incubator, please feel
free to remove the entire site (except the project status files)
and start over
: Geir Magnusson Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: general@incubator.apache.org
References: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Roy T. Fielding wrote:
On Dec 31, 2005, at 7:34 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
[SNIP]
I don't see any point in having
Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
Craig, you hit the nail on the head with this. I am running into this
now. The impetus for my attempting to start this is that I currently
have to go on an easter egg hunt for spec jars. I have no strong
feelings how the jars get into a central place for me to
Craig L Russell wrote:
On Jan 1, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
Craig, you hit the nail on the head with this. I am running into
this now. The impetus for my attempting to start this is that I
currently have to go on an easter egg hunt for spec jars
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Saturday 31 December 2005 07:36, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
In any
event, ... an
uber-umbrella isn't making sense to me, so far.
+1
Don't force things in place. To me, the most logical step forward is that most
uninteresting, boring, stenography of specs sits in
I was going to respond last night, but I'd been incubatored-out.
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
this is just for sources of javax.* NOT implementations. One location
for a servlet-api.jar, jaxrpc.jar, saaj.jar, xml-apis.jar.
Geir wrote:
No - the spec jars for those
He has been studly about it, but could he be studly today? I updated
the main projects page and need that to be published...
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Mads Toftum wrote:
Whoa! so the workflow is tied to David watching for commits?
When someone said that at apachecon, I thought it was a joke -
moving? Would anyone else prefer to be doing that?
Hen
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On Dec 27, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
On 12/27/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 27, 2005, at 11:42 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
My aim for Jakarta is to either promote subprojects to TLP or
flatten them into Jakarta Commons, leading to a non-umbrella
Jakarta
traffic at all. Maybe
I'm wrong and there is some latent interest in participating in rote
implementation from JavaDoc, but I can't see it myself.
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in the implementation that's on top of
the specs.
Right- and I don't think of it as the spec passing the TCK. The spec
jars we're doing here are really (for the most part, for modern JSRs
done by clueful EGs) just copying what we read in the API docs, right?
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Yoav Shapira wrote:
Hi,
I'm missing something fundamental. What would a JSR Expert Group
have to do with this? We are talking about the API jars for
completed JSRs, right, and maybe other specs if there are any that
require similar machinations? (I can't think of any...)
I raised the
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On 12/29/05, Greg Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If another PMC decides a project should be incubated, they must
provide the people to make that happen (so we achieve proper scaling
and to put the effort on those who want the results). The Incubator
can't refuse the
I disagree in trying to put the kibosh on the thread.
It was very healthy to bring out the frustration that had been
simmering, and I think that we all learned something.
What shall we do then in incubator? Any idea for a productive outcome?
geir
Leo Simons wrote:
OK ok ok ok. Enough
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
There has been some discussion on creating a Java specs project
which would hold all the specs jars from the various JSRs as well
as other standards, e.g. CORBA. Often, there are many duplicate
copies of the source code for the same JSR
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Friday 30 December 2005 22:52, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I'm missing something fundamental. What would a JSR Expert Group
have to do with this? We are talking about the API jars for
completed JSRs, right, and maybe other specs if there are any that
require
IIRC, they are going to be the RI for JDO2.
I think that an indep impl that isn't the RI would be healthy. Maybe we
could base on the JPOX2 codebase as a start. It won't be a fork, IMO.
I don't have the time though...
geir
Thomas Dudziak wrote:
On 12/30/05, Geir Magnusson Jr [EMAIL
Craig L Russell wrote:
4. Apache JDO (which notwithstanding information on the incubator web
site has graduated;-)
Hey, I fixed the source page. Didn't the magical process happen to get
it published? :)
geir
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project is too small
to be able to support other projects in that way.
Why not run doc tools? Isn't it really about which doc tool?
Running the generation for the geronimo site takes under 10 seconds
wall clock for a full render. That's seems fairly unintrusive.
geir
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sites are in. Confluence isn't that, and you can't work offline.
PLease, lets not solve this with a wiki.
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On Dec 29, 2005, at 8:34 AM, Tim Williams wrote:
On 12/29/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 27, 2005, at 10:03 PM, David Crossley wrote:
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Example: last apachecon, Geir was trying to update
geronimo.html, it
took 30+ mins before asking
On Dec 29, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 27, 2005, at 9:14 PM, David Crossley wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
Thomas Dudziak wrote:
since I'm rather new to this, I don't have a deep
understanding of the
problems you're trying to solve.
None
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I am +1 for dumping Forrest. I never grok why something so simple as
our static website needs something so complicated to build it.
Forrest does do some things for us, such as generating what I do consider to
be a somewhat nicer looking
. And it would be very useful if I had gotten a message in the
online mode that said you are looking at a resource that currently
isn't linked to by any of the control documents (or whatever) it would
have saved *heaps* of time
geir
David Crossley wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Tim
as this really
isn't JCP specific...)
How about here?
geir
How do we get this started?
Regards,
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projects. It would be a great idea to move them
all into one project. This idea, so far, has been met with much
enthusiasm.
How do we get this started?
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into one project. This idea, so far, has been met with much
enthusiasm.
How do we get this started?
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entering incubation? And when the project graduates, we do a good
job assisting them with a joint release or something as the reward.
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On Dec 23, 2005, at 10:57 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 09:11:55AM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I am no longer convinced of this. Having the Incubator PMC there as
a check and balance is a good thing as it requires engagement from
others interested in this aspect
/guidlines setup
entirely by the PMC We shalt to webservices in this manner
I believe that many projects do not conform precisely to their
project charter but still work in healthy and collaborative ways...
geir
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Every TLP has
Sorry to change the subject...
Can someone make a definitive statement on whether or not code
history is brought into our repo from elsewhere when a podling brings
code over?
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to @incubator, not just the new/recent ones.
I'm still confused on what you actually want, because you voted
against your own suggestion.
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On Dec 20, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Mike Milinkovich wrote:
It's rather like saying what the heck is the Apache web server
doing with a
JVM project?
I say that about once a week these days ;)
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On Dec 15, 2005, at 12:07 AM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:
Geir,
You can add me to the volunteer list.
Matt
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Done. As per the wiki, http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/
WadiProposal, created
wadi-dev@incubator.apache.org
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wadi-user
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geir
On Dec 15, 2005, at 6:21 PM, Bruce Snyder wrote:
On 12/15/05, Bruce Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 12/14/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Done. As per the wiki, http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/
WadiProposal, created
wadi-dev@incubator.apache.org
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BTW, where was that discussion?
On Dec 15, 2005, at 6:21 PM, Bruce Snyder wrote:
On 12/15/05, Bruce Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 12/14/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Done. As per the wiki, http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/
WadiProposal, created
wadi-dev
resources,
e.g., the web site and SVN subtree.
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