Re: [gentoo-ppc-user] Compile error on IDE Power Mac driver

2005-12-01 Thread Charles Trois

Draeven a écrit :
 
Charles Trois wrote:

Charles,

Did you do a rc-update add net.eth0 default so that the interface is 
brought up at boot?


You may also want to take a look at this section of the Gentoo Handbook:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-ppc.xml?part=4


I am still working hard at this; I even have burnt a new CD and
reinstalled from it, but there is nothing doing. To state my problem
again, it occurs on an G4 iMac with the Gentoo universal
ppc-install-2005.1 disc. At the end of the boot process, just before the
login, I get this:

==

 * Starting syslog-ng ...

[ ok ] * Starting gpm ...

[ ok ] * Starting eth0
 *   Bringing up eth0
 * Configuration not set for eth0 - assuming dhcp
 * dhcp
 *   Running dhcpcd ...

[ !! ] * Starting vixie-cron ...

[ ok ] * Starting local ...

[ ok ] * ERROR:  Problem starting needed services.
 * netmount was not started.

==

And the corresponding bit in /var/log/messsages is:

==

Dec  1 11:00:55 sirrah rc-scripts: Configuration not set for eth0 -
assuming dhcp
Dec  1 11:01:55 sirrah dhcpcd[4718]: timed out waiting for a valid DHCP
server response
Dec  1 11:01:55 sirrah cron[5378]: (CRON) STARTUP (V5.0)
Dec  1 11:01:56 sirrah rc-scripts: ERROR:  Problem starting needed services.
Dec  1 11:01:56 sirrah rc-scripts: netmount was not started.
Dec  1 11:02:50 sirrah login(pam_unix)[5457]: session opened for user
root by (uid=0)

==

The cause of the trouble seems to be pointed out by the line
dhcpcd[4718]: timed out waiting for a valid DHCP server response (and
there is indeed quite a delay at the stage Running dhcpcd).

But now what can I do to get this valid DHCP server response? There
seems to be nothing about dhcp in the .config file: what then? does it 
suppose that I am already connected to the Net?


Charles


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Re: [gentoo-ppc-user] Compile error on IDE Power Mac driver

2005-12-01 Thread Draeven

Did you remember to emerge a dhcpcd server?

If not emerge dhcpcd

Draeven

Charles Trois wrote:

Draeven a écrit :

 
Charles Trois wrote:

Charles,

Did you do a rc-update add net.eth0 default so that the interface is 
brought up at boot?


You may also want to take a look at this section of the Gentoo Handbook:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-ppc.xml?part=4


I am still working hard at this; I even have burnt a new CD and
reinstalled from it, but there is nothing doing. To state my problem
again, it occurs on an G4 iMac with the Gentoo universal
ppc-install-2005.1 disc. At the end of the boot process, just before the
login, I get this:

==

 * Starting syslog-ng ...

[ ok ] * Starting gpm ...

[ ok ] * Starting eth0
 *   Bringing up eth0
 * Configuration not set for eth0 - assuming dhcp
 * dhcp
 *   Running dhcpcd ...

[ !! ] * Starting vixie-cron ...

[ ok ] * Starting local ...

[ ok ] * ERROR:  Problem starting needed services.
 * netmount was not started.

==

And the corresponding bit in /var/log/messsages is:

==

Dec  1 11:00:55 sirrah rc-scripts: Configuration not set for eth0 -
assuming dhcp
Dec  1 11:01:55 sirrah dhcpcd[4718]: timed out waiting for a valid DHCP
server response
Dec  1 11:01:55 sirrah cron[5378]: (CRON) STARTUP (V5.0)
Dec  1 11:01:56 sirrah rc-scripts: ERROR:  Problem starting needed 
services.

Dec  1 11:01:56 sirrah rc-scripts: netmount was not started.
Dec  1 11:02:50 sirrah login(pam_unix)[5457]: session opened for user
root by (uid=0)

==

The cause of the trouble seems to be pointed out by the line
dhcpcd[4718]: timed out waiting for a valid DHCP server response (and
there is indeed quite a delay at the stage Running dhcpcd).

But now what can I do to get this valid DHCP server response? There
seems to be nothing about dhcp in the .config file: what then? does it 
suppose that I am already connected to the Net?


Charles



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Re: [gentoo-ppc-user] Compile error on IDE Power Mac driver

2005-12-01 Thread Draeven
I'm sorry, I mean a dhcp client, not a server, the dhcp server should 
already be on the network.  The most popular and easiest client IMHO is 
dhcpcd.


Like I said, emerge dhcpcd

HTH
Draeven

Draeven wrote:

Did you remember to emerge a dhcpcd server?

If not emerge dhcpcd

Draeven

Charles Trois wrote:


Draeven a écrit :

 
Charles Trois wrote:

Charles,

Did you do a rc-update add net.eth0 default so that the interface 
is brought up at boot?


You may also want to take a look at this section of the Gentoo Handbook:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-ppc.xml?part=4


I am still working hard at this; I even have burnt a new CD and
reinstalled from it, but there is nothing doing. To state my problem
again, it occurs on an G4 iMac with the Gentoo universal
ppc-install-2005.1 disc. At the end of the boot process, just before the
login, I get this:

== 



 * Starting syslog-ng ...

[ ok ] * Starting gpm ...

[ ok ] * Starting eth0
 *   Bringing up eth0
 * Configuration not set for eth0 - assuming dhcp
 * dhcp
 *   Running dhcpcd ...

[ !! ] * Starting vixie-cron ...

[ ok ] * Starting local ...

[ ok ] * ERROR:  Problem starting needed services.
 * netmount was not started.

== 



And the corresponding bit in /var/log/messsages is:

== 



Dec  1 11:00:55 sirrah rc-scripts: Configuration not set for eth0 -
assuming dhcp
Dec  1 11:01:55 sirrah dhcpcd[4718]: timed out waiting for a valid DHCP
server response
Dec  1 11:01:55 sirrah cron[5378]: (CRON) STARTUP (V5.0)
Dec  1 11:01:56 sirrah rc-scripts: ERROR:  Problem starting needed 
services.

Dec  1 11:01:56 sirrah rc-scripts: netmount was not started.
Dec  1 11:02:50 sirrah login(pam_unix)[5457]: session opened for user
root by (uid=0)

== 



The cause of the trouble seems to be pointed out by the line
dhcpcd[4718]: timed out waiting for a valid DHCP server response (and
there is indeed quite a delay at the stage Running dhcpcd).

But now what can I do to get this valid DHCP server response? There
seems to be nothing about dhcp in the .config file: what then? does it 
suppose that I am already connected to the Net?


Charles



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[gentoo-user] notebook: alsa ihda sound card

2005-12-01 Thread Luca
Hi all!
I have installed Gentoo 2005.1 on notebook AsusZ9200VC with Intel
High Definition Audio sound card, kernel 2.6.14 with module for that
sound car.
So...i have some problem with the headphone out, when i put on the
jack of headphone i don't hear any sound, completely mute.
Any mixer value of alsamixer is set at 100%.

Someone can help me?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Restore - /usr/portage/packages

2005-12-01 Thread Kristian Poul Herkild
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 01:45:00 -0600, Dale wrote
 I started my download of OOo2 last night, slow dial-up here.  It does
 not appear to be masked any more.
 
 /etc/portage/package.keywords
 
 app-admin/gkrellm ~x86
 app-office/scribus ~x86
 x11-base/xorg-x11 ~86
 sys-kernel/linux-headers ~x86
 net-www/netscape-flash ~x86
 app-sci/foldingathome ~x86
 
 
 No open office there.  You resync lately?  LOL
 
 Dale
 :-)

Aaahh.. but I compiled OOo2 several days ago. Haven't noticed it was
transferred to stable - no need to check since it worked ;)

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[gentoo-user] Numptie revdep-rebuild question?

2005-12-01 Thread Stroller

Hi there,

I'm seeing some quirky stuff with KDE, in that the icons in the Start  
menu are missing, as is the one that bounces up  down next to the  
cursor when I start a program - all I see is a little grey bouncing  
square.


To see if I could fix this I decided to run `revdep-rebuild`, but I get  
the following problem:


$ sudo revdep-rebuild

Checking reverse dependencies...
	Packages containing binaries and libraries broken by any package  
update,

will be recompiled.

Collecting system binaries and libraries... done.
  (/home/stroller/.revdep-rebuild.1_files)

Collecting complete LD_LIBRARY_PATH... done.
  (/home/stroller/.revdep-rebuild.2_ldpath)

Checking dynamic linking consistency...
	  broken /usr/kde/3.3/lib/kde3/kuickshow.so (requires libungif.so.4  
libungif.so.4)
	  broken /usr/kde/3.3/lib/libkdeinit_kuickshow.so (requires  
libungif.so.4)
	ldd: warning: you do not have execution permission for  
`/opt/OpenOffice.org/program/python-core-2.2.2/lib/lib-dynload/dbm.so'
	  broken  
/opt/OpenOffice.org/program/python-core-2.2.2/lib/lib-dynload/dbm.so  
(requires libgdbm.so.2)
	ldd: warning: you do not have execution permission for  
`/opt/OpenOffice.org/program/python-core-2.2.2/lib/lib-dynload/gdbm.so'
	  broken  
/opt/OpenOffice.org/program/python-core-2.2.2/lib/lib-dynload/gdbm.so  
(requires libgdbm.so.2)
	ldd: warning: you do not have execution permission for  
`/opt/OpenOffice.org/program/python-core-2.2.2/lib/lib-dynload/ 
bsddb.so'
	  broken  
/opt/OpenOffice.org/program/python-core-2.2.2/lib/lib-dynload/bsddb.so  
(requires libdb-3.1.so)
	ldd: warning: you do not have execution permission for  
`/opt/OpenOffice.org/program/python-core-2.2.2/lib/lib-dynload/mpz.so'
	  broken  
/opt/OpenOffice.org/program/python-core-2.2.2/lib/lib-dynload/mpz.so  
(requires libgmp.so.3)
	ldd: warning: you do not have execution permission for  
`/opt/OpenOffice.org/program/python-core-2.2.2/lib/lib-dynload/ 
_tkinter.so'
	  broken  
/opt/OpenOffice.org/program/python-core-2.2.2/lib/lib-dynload/ 
_tkinter.so (requires libtk8.3.so libtcl8.3.so)

 done.
  (/home/stroller/.revdep-rebuild.3_rebuild)

Assigning files to ebuilds... done.
  (/home/stroller/.revdep-rebuild.4_ebuilds)

Evaluating package order...
Warning: Failed to resolve package order.
Will merge in random order!
Possible reasons:
- Some ebuilds are no more in portage tree.
	- Some ebuilds are masked, try to change ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~your  
platform

  and/or use /etc/portage/package.unmask
. done.
  (/home/stroller/.revdep-rebuild.5_order)

All prepared. Starting rebuild...
	emerge --oneshot --nodeps  =app-office/openoffice-bin-1.1.5  
=kde-base/kdegraphics-3.3.2-r2

..
Calculating dependencies -
	emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy  
=kde-base/kdegraphics-3.3.2-r2.



Result is not OK, you have following choices:
	- if emerge failed during build, fix the problems and re-run  
revdep-rebuild

or
	- use -X or --package-names as first argument (try to rebuild package,  
not exact  ebuild - ignores SLOT!)

or
	- set ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~your platform and/or  
/etc/portage/package.unmask
	  (and remove /home/stroller/.revdep-rebuild.5_order to be evaluated  
again)

or
- modify the above emerge command and run it manually
or
	- compile or unmerge unsatisfied packages manually, remove temporary  
files and

  try again (you can edit package/ebuild list first)

To remove temporary files, please run:
rm /home/stroller/.revdep-rebuild*.?_*

$ esearch kdegraphics$
[ Results for search key : kdegraphics$ ]
[ Applications found : 1 ]

*  kde-base/kdegraphics
  Latest version available: 3.4.1-r1
  Latest version installed: 3.4.1-r1
  Size of downloaded files: 6,427 kB
  Homepage:http://www.kde.org/
  Description: KDE graphics-related apps
  License: GPL-2


I have, of course, already re-emerging kdegraphics, but I still get the  
same thing. Can anyone offer any suggestions, please?


TIA,

Stroller.

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Re: [gentoo-user] no more NV_SATA, etc support in kernel?

2005-12-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:17:11 -0800 (PST), maxim wexler wrote:

  Do you have SCSI_STAT enabled? The options won't
  show up in
  menuconfig otherwise, except when you press / to
  search.
 
 livecd linux # grep SCSI_STAT .config
 livecd linux # grep STAT .config

Sorry, typo. That should, of course, have been SCSI_SATA.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Restore - /usr/portage/packages

2005-12-01 Thread Dale
Kristian Poul Herkild wrote:


Aaahh.. but I compiled OOo2 several days ago. Haven't noticed it was
transferred to stable - no need to check since it worked ;)

Kristian Poul Herkild
  

I thought maybe you were one of those that synced on weekends and missed
the boat.  I sync each night myself.  I'm on a 'slow as syrup at the
north pole' dial-up and it will take me about three nights to get OOo2
downloaded.  If I wait to long, they may update OOo and KDE all at the
same time.  O_O  That would take a week to download, maybe more.

Speaking of north pole, it is cold down here.   shivers 

 42%
 [+===
 ] 66,602,20812.47K/s  ETA 8:57:45


The + is from last night and the = are from tonight.  I had to stop
it a couple times to get work for folding.  Maybe I can finish it today
but maybe tomorrow.  I'm sure there is more after that one though.  :-(

Dale
:-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] OpenOffice 2 - spadmin changes aren't saved

2005-12-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:37:34 -0700, Joseph wrote:

 Does anybody have a clue what is going on and how to make changes via
 spadmin.

Are you running spadmin as root?


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[gentoo-user] Re: Juk Feature request

2005-12-01 Thread Charly
On Wednesday 30 November 2005 20:04, Felix Berger wrote:
 On Wednesday 30 November 2005 19:21, Charly wrote:
  hi all
 
  i just thought it should be great to have the play queue always visible,
  showing next, say, 25 tracks that will be played in shuffle mode. I think
  itunes has this feature, it found it usefull

 Hi Charly, if I you like you could also checkout KDE's noatun in
 conjunction with the playlist plugin iList (http://ilist.sf.net/) which
 provides a preview that shows the next 10, 25, [enter number you want]
 items and a queue which allows you to enqueue items to be played before the
 ones from the preview.

 iList also supports more advanced play modes like Artist Aware Random
 which makes sure no two songs of the same artist are played in a row or
 Adaptive Learning, a play mode for which learns which songs you
 dislike/like by remembering which ones you skipped and which ones you added
 to the queue.

 I hope you excuse the spam,
 Felix
hi Felix,

Noatun seems interesting, but it needs arts :(
Maybe a plugin system could be devlopped for juk?
It could be usefull: normalize volume, play queue, vizualisations, etc...

Anyway, thanks for your reply!

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RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Home Network Printing

2005-12-01 Thread Michael Kintzios


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Fish
 Sent: 30 November 2005 23:33
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Home Network Printing
 
 
 On 11/30/05, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  This is what I get from host 2 (the server):
 ...
   IfRequested  - Use encryption if the server requests it
 
 Shouldn't this line be commented out??

Quite possibly so, I'll try it when I get home.  Thank you.
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RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Home Network Printing

2005-12-01 Thread Michael Kintzios


 -Original Message-
 From: John Jolet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 30 November 2005 20:14
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Home Network Printing
 
 one way you can do this is use the features of cups...for instance,  
 my macintosh has a laser printer attached: the cupsd.conf sys this:  
 Port 631, Listen /private/var/run/cupsd, BrowseAddress @LOCAL,  
 BrowseShortNames No, BrowseAllow @LOCAL, BrowseDeny ALL  and later
 Location /
 Order Deny,Allow
 Deny From All
 Allow From @LOCAL
 Allow from 192.168.1.51
 /Location
 
 all this allows all machines on the same subnet as my mac 
 (@LOCAL) to  
 browse the list of printers and allows all from the local subnet to  
 print, well, i've also explicitly allowed my laptop access.
 
 on the laptop, I also have Port 631, and not much else. I have NO  
 printers configured in my laptop...default gentoo install.  when i'm  
 on the net, it gets the broadcast from the mac and I can 
 print...when  
 i'm not, i have no printers at all.

Thanks John,

Let me understand this right:  Have you installed cups on the laptop?
Any printer drivers?  When you run localhost:631 in a browser on your
laptop, what do you see under printers when the laptop is connected to
the mac and what when it's not?  (assuming you restart cupsd on each
case to refresh its status).

PS. An OT question - I am really curious what is the default mac
firewall settings.  Can you please post the output of: # iptables -L -v
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[gentoo-user] Why emacs needs gnome parts ?

2005-12-01 Thread Allan Spagnol Comar
Hi I was pretending to emerge emacs to check dependencies and I got
amazed when I saw this:
# emerge -p emacs
[ebuild  N] media-libs/giflib-4.1.4
[ebuild  N] dev-libs/libIDL-0.8.6
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/orbit-2.12.3
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.10.1
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/libglade-2.5.1
[ebuild  N] media-libs/libart_lgpl-2.3.17
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.10.2
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/gconf-2.10.1-r1
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.2
[ebuild  N] app-admin/fam-2.7.0-r2
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.10.1-r2
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/libgnome-2.10.1-r1
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.10.1
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.4.4
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.10.1
[ebuild  N] x11-themes/hicolor-icon-theme-0.8
[ebuild  N] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-2.10.1
[ebuild  N] x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.6.5
[ebuild  N] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.10.2
[ebuild  N] x11-libs/startup-notification-0.8
[ebuild  N] app-text/scrollkeeper-0.3.14-r1
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.10.2
[ebuild  N] x11-libs/openmotif-2.2.3-r3
[ebuild  N] app-editors/emacs-21.4-r1

my USE flags got only doc because this is a linux box without any
graphical interfaces to server some utilities .

could some one explain why emacs needs so many graphical parts ?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Why emacs needs gnome parts ?

2005-12-01 Thread Erik Haider Forsén
Allan Spagnol Comar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hi I was pretending to emerge emacs to check dependencies and I got
 amazed when I saw this:
 # emerge -p emacs
 [ebuild  N] media-libs/giflib-4.1.4
 [ebuild  N] dev-libs/libIDL-0.8.6
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/orbit-2.12.3
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.10.1
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libglade-2.5.1
 [ebuild  N] media-libs/libart_lgpl-2.3.17
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.10.2
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/gconf-2.10.1-r1
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.2
 [ebuild  N] app-admin/fam-2.7.0-r2
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.10.1-r2
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libgnome-2.10.1-r1
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.10.1
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.4.4
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.10.1
 [ebuild  N] x11-themes/hicolor-icon-theme-0.8
 [ebuild  N] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-2.10.1
 [ebuild  N] x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.6.5
 [ebuild  N] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.10.2
 [ebuild  N] x11-libs/startup-notification-0.8
 [ebuild  N] app-text/scrollkeeper-0.3.14-r1
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.10.2
 [ebuild  N] x11-libs/openmotif-2.2.3-r3
 [ebuild  N] app-editors/emacs-21.4-r1

 my USE flags got only doc because this is a linux box without any
 graphical interfaces to server some utilities .

 could some one explain why emacs needs so many graphical parts ?
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Could you provide the output of emerge -pv emacs?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Succinct compilation of system info...

2005-12-01 Thread darren kirby
quoth the [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 This seems to have tremendous potential. Having all this information in
 one standard form allows you to take snapshots of your system, and then
 if things break you can compare snapshots before and after to possibly
 get a hint of where to focus. 

Yup. I was thinking it would be good for a weekly (or daily) cron report 
delivered to your mailbox. Maybe an option to only send a diff from the 
previous run...

 This will be especially true when you add 
 the ability to list packages and software installed.

Which is done (for Gentoo, Arch, Fedora, RHEL, SuSe).

 It could also be useful when trying to help solve a problem, especially
 remotely.

 Also, put it on your favorite live/rescue cd and have instant info on 
unfamiliar systems...

 Why not set this up as a sourceforge project?

I am not sure that a project of this scope really needs full blown sourceforge 
project page...a bug tracker, forums, and three pages just to download the 
thing seem a bit extreme...I think I can host from my site, at least for now.

This isn't to say I don't appreciate testers and bug reports...

I am still plugging away, and will try to have a real, polished tarball 
release with a man page etc up before the weekend is done.

 M

Thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Why emacs needs gnome parts ?

2005-12-01 Thread Erik Haider Forsén
Allan Spagnol Comar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 sure, here it is:

 emerge -pv emacs

 These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

 Calculating dependencies ...done!
 [ebuild  N] media-libs/giflib-4.1.4  +X -rle 0 kB
 [ebuild  N] dev-libs/libIDL-0.8.6  -debug -static 0 kB
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/orbit-2.12.3  -debug +doc +ssl -static 0 kB
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.10.1  -debug +doc -static 0 kB
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libglade-2.5.1  -debug +doc 0 kB
 [ebuild  N] media-libs/libart_lgpl-2.3.17  -debug 0 kB
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.10.2  +X -debug +doc -static 0 kB
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/gconf-2.10.1-r1  -debug +doc -static 0 kB
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.2  -debug 0 kB
 [ebuild  N] app-admin/fam-2.7.0-r2  0 kB
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.10.1-r2  -debug +doc -gnutls
 -hal -howl +ipv6 +samba +ssl 0 kB
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libgnome-2.10.1-r1  -debug +doc -esd -static 0 kB
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.10.1  +X -debug +doc -static 0 kB
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.4.4  -debug -static 0 kB
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.10.1  -debug +doc +jpeg -static 0 kB
 [ebuild  N] x11-themes/hicolor-icon-theme-0.8  0 kB
 [ebuild  N] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-2.10.1  -debug 0 kB
 [ebuild  N] x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.6.5  -accessibility -debug -static 0 
 kB
 [ebuild  N] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.10.2  -accessibility -debug 0 kB
 [ebuild  N] x11-libs/startup-notification-0.8  0 kB
 [ebuild  N] app-text/scrollkeeper-0.3.14-r1  +nls 0 kB
 [ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.10.2  -debug -static 0 kB
 [ebuild  N] x11-libs/openmotif-2.2.3-r3  0 kB
 [ebuild  N] app-editors/emacs-21.4-r1  +X -Xaw3d +gnome -leim
 -lesstif +motif +nls -nosendmail 0 kB


 
  my USE flags got only doc because this is a linux box without any
  graphical interfaces to server some utilities .
 
  could some one explain why emacs needs so many graphical parts ?
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 Could you provide the output of emerge -pv emacs?

 /erik


as you see here:

[ebuild  N] app-editors/emacs-21.4-r1  +X -Xaw3d +gnome -leim

emacs has X and gnome as use flags. you could either put -X and -gnome
in your use flag list in /etc/make.conf, or you could use this command:

# echo app-editors/emacs -X -gnome  /etc/portage/package.use

and then emerge emacs :)

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[gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Thiago Lüttig
Hi, someone has installed the kde 3.5  how it´s running ?? -- __Atenciosamente,Thiago Lüttig__ 


Re: [gentoo-user] Why emacs needs gnome parts ?

2005-12-01 Thread Allan Spagnol Comar
cool; that solved the problem really well; I am changing my use flags
to -X -kde -gnome -motif  so I got no more such problems, and I
thinking to rebuild my system 

thanks alot again Erik.

On 12/1/05, Erik Haider Forsén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Allan Spagnol Comar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  sure, here it is:
 
  emerge -pv emacs
 
  These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
 
  Calculating dependencies ...done!
  [ebuild  N] media-libs/giflib-4.1.4  +X -rle 0 kB
  [ebuild  N] dev-libs/libIDL-0.8.6  -debug -static 0 kB
  [ebuild  N] gnome-base/orbit-2.12.3  -debug +doc +ssl -static 0 kB
  [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.10.1  -debug +doc -static 0 kB
  [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libglade-2.5.1  -debug +doc 0 kB
  [ebuild  N] media-libs/libart_lgpl-2.3.17  -debug 0 kB
  [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.10.2  +X -debug +doc -static 0 
  kB
  [ebuild  N] gnome-base/gconf-2.10.1-r1  -debug +doc -static 0 kB
  [ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.2  -debug 0 kB
  [ebuild  N] app-admin/fam-2.7.0-r2  0 kB
  [ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.10.1-r2  -debug +doc -gnutls
  -hal -howl +ipv6 +samba +ssl 0 kB
  [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libgnome-2.10.1-r1  -debug +doc -esd -static 0 kB
  [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.10.1  +X -debug +doc -static 0 kB
  [ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.4.4  -debug -static 0 kB
  [ebuild  N] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.10.1  -debug +doc +jpeg -static 0 kB
  [ebuild  N] x11-themes/hicolor-icon-theme-0.8  0 kB
  [ebuild  N] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-2.10.1  -debug 0 kB
  [ebuild  N] x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.6.5  -accessibility -debug -static 
  0 kB
  [ebuild  N] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.10.2  -accessibility -debug 0 kB
  [ebuild  N] x11-libs/startup-notification-0.8  0 kB
  [ebuild  N] app-text/scrollkeeper-0.3.14-r1  +nls 0 kB
  [ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.10.2  -debug -static 0 kB
  [ebuild  N] x11-libs/openmotif-2.2.3-r3  0 kB
  [ebuild  N] app-editors/emacs-21.4-r1  +X -Xaw3d +gnome -leim
  -lesstif +motif +nls -nosendmail 0 kB
 
 
  
   my USE flags got only doc because this is a linux box without any
   graphical interfaces to server some utilities .
  
   could some one explain why emacs needs so many graphical parts ?
   --
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   Requeires Windows 9x, NT4 or better,
   so I´ve installed Linux
  
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  Could you provide the output of emerge -pv emacs?
 
  /erik
 
 
 as you see here:

 [ebuild  N] app-editors/emacs-21.4-r1  +X -Xaw3d +gnome -leim

 emacs has X and gnome as use flags. you could either put -X and -gnome
 in your use flag list in /etc/make.conf, or you could use this command:

 # echo app-editors/emacs -X -gnome  /etc/portage/package.use

 and then emerge emacs :)

 /erik


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Dale
Thiago Lüttig wrote:

 Hi, someone has installed the kde 3.5  how it´s running ??

According to the forums, some have installed it already.  It appears to
be doing OK, considering it is not official yet.  ;)  I'm stuck
downloading Open Office so I'm waiting before I at least download it.

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Mrugesh Karnik

Thiago Lüttig wrote:

Hi, someone has installed the kde 3.5  how it´s running ??

--
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Thiago Lüttig

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I should have it running in a couple of hours. I'll let you know then.

Regards,
Mrugesh
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[gentoo-user] Re: Video capture card recommendations

2005-12-01 Thread James
Bob Sanders rmsand at concentric.net writes:


 I have both a PVR-350 Hauppauge  and an HD-3000 from pcHDTV.  Of the
 two, I find the HD-3000 easier to use, and less expensive than the PVR-350.


Are you receiving and correctly displaying HDTV broadcast over the air
with these cards? If so, Which one do you like better for HDTV reception?
We're moving to all HDTV broadcast in my area of Florida in early 2006...

Do you have a wireless (infrared) remote controller working with either card,
for channel surfing HDTV? 
Any Recommendations on a remote controller with this sort of setup?


James

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Re: [gentoo-user] Why emacs needs gnome parts ?

2005-12-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:20:36 -0300, Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:

 cool; that solved the problem really well; I am changing my use flags
 to -X -kde -gnome -motif  so I got no more such problems, and I
 thinking to rebuild my system 

You might want to add -qt -arts to that list.

You don't need a complete rebuild, just

emerge -uavDN world
emerge -a depclean
revdep-rebuild -p
revdep-rebuild


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Thiago Lüttig
how do you installed it ? i mean, the emerge parameters ?? :D
On 12/1/05, Mrugesh Karnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thiago Lüttig wrote: Hi, someone has installed the kde 3.5  how it´s running ?? --
 __ Atenciosamente, Thiago Lüttig __I should have it running in a couple of hours. I'll let you know then.
Regards,Mrugesh--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list-- __Atenciosamente,
Thiago Lüttig__ 


Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Uwe Klosa

I'm compiling 3.5. There 102 update for my system. So itäll take a while. I 
will write more as soon i can start it.

Cheers
Uwe

Thiago Lüttig wrote:

Hi, someone has installed the kde 3.5  how it´s running ??

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[gentoo-user] Re: site web

2005-12-01 Thread Charly
On Friday 25 November 2005 08:17, Yannick Majoros wrote:
 Charly Ghislain wrote:
  ok, pour ca il faut que je change 'baseurl' dans la conf de drupal.
  C'est fait.
  Pour la lenteur, c'est pas de ma faute c'est limité à 20ko/s je
  pense.

 20 kb/s, ça devrait bien suffire. Peut-être qu'il y avait d'autre
 téléchargements en cours ?

  @+

Salut

C'est juste pour te dire que le chipotage qu'on a fait pour que la bannière se 
mette au centre, ben ça marche pas sous Internet Explorer :( Tu n'aurait pas 
une autre idée comme ça?

Sinon, j'ai réussi à faire tous ce que je voulait, il reste juste quelques 
termes que je n'arrive pas à traduire. Je vais continuer à chercher.

Allez, à bientôt pour mettre tout ça en ligne

Charly

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:45:33 -0600, Dale wrote:

 According to the forums, some have installed it already.  It appears to
 be doing OK, considering it is not official yet.  ;)  I'm stuck
 downloading Open Office so I'm waiting before I at least download it.

It was released two days ago according to the KDE web site. I've been
using it since beta1 and it works well. From rc2 onwards it has been rock
solid.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Numptie revdep-rebuild question?

2005-12-01 Thread Stroller


On Dec 1, 2005, at 8:51 am, Christoph Gysin wrote:


Stroller wrote:
I have, of course, already re-emerging kdegraphics, but I still get 
the  same thing. Can anyone offer any suggestions, please?


There is still a library lying around with broken dependencies. Try:

# emerge -C kde-base/kdegraphics
# emerge kde-base/kdegraphics


That did it! Thanks!

Stroller.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread fire-eyes
Thiago Lüttig wrote:
 Hi, someone has installed the kde 3.5  how it´s running ??

I have tried to install kde-meta-3.5.0, however I get problems while
merging kdetalk-3.5.0 . I am not sure yet if I am alone on this one.

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114078
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Thursday 01 December 2005 12:12, Thiago Lüttig wrote:
 Hi, someone has installed the kde 3.5  how it´s running ??

yes I have.

It runs perfectly.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Uwe Klosa

I'm sorry, but I can't recall it. I did not log this information. :(

/Uwe

Dale wrote:

Uwe Klosa wrote:



I'm compiling 3.5. There 102 update for my system. So itäll take a
while. I will write more as soon i can start it.

Cheers
Uwe



You wouldn't happen to recall how many MBs the downloads for KDE were
would you?  I know there are a lot of packages but it usually takes me a
couple nights to get it all, like OOo does.  Sorry dial-up!!  I don't
want to try to unmask all that.  May bork something.  O_O  I am still
trying to get OOo anyway.

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Mrugesh Karnik

Thiago Lüttig wrote:

how do you installed it ? i mean, the emerge parameters ?? :D


I just did emerge --udpate --deep world. It slotted 3.4 and 3.5, so I 
first cleared out my distfiles to free up some space! Then, edited 
/etc/rc.conf to set XSESSION=kde-3.5. After restarting 
/etc/init.d/xdm, kdm-3.5 came up with entries for both 3.4 and 3.5. Some 
packages are still being compiled. I'll keep 3.4 till all of them are 
compiled and then unmerge 3.4.


3.5 is working just fine here. The only thing that went wrong is that it 
doesn't show my pop-up panel on the right hand side of the screen. The 
one at the bottom works just fine.


Regards,
Mrugesh
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 06:24:33 -0600, Dale wrote:

 You wouldn't happen to recall how many MBs the downloads for KDE were
 would you?

147MB here.

 I know there are a lot of packages but it usually takes me a
 couple nights to get it all, like OOo does.  Sorry dial-up!!  I don't
 want to try to unmask all that.  May bork something.

You won't bork anything by unmasking only. then use emerge -f to fetch
the files. Or download them from your nearest KDE mirror and put them
in $DISTDIR.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Home Network Printing

2005-12-01 Thread Holly Bostick
Mick schreef:
 Richard Fish wrote:
 
 
 On 11/30/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Are you running cups?
 
 And if so, post the output of:
 
 grep -v ^# /etc/cups/cupsd.conf | grep -v ^$
 
 for both systems.
 
 
 Thanks Richard, this is what I get from box 1 (this is the client): 
 =
snip
 Order Deny,Allow

 Deny From All Allow

 From 127.0.0.1

snip

 Allow From 127.0.0.1

/Location

 =

 


 This is what I get from host 2 (the server):

 =

snip

 Order Deny,Allow

 Deny From All

 Allow From 127.0.0.1

 Allow From 192.168.0.2

 /Location

 Location /printers

 Order Deny,Allow

 Deny From All

 Allow From 127.0.0.1

 Allow From 192.168.0.2

snip

 Any wrong entries?

What I see is:

I assume the printer is connected to the server--- but the server only
allows connections from localhost (itself), and 192.168.0.2.

If 192.168.0.2 is not the network IP address of the client (host 1),
then the connection is denied.

If the printer is connected to host 1... well, that only allows
connections from localhost (itself). Connections from everywhere else
are refused.

So what I would suggest is that the server allow connections from the
network as a whole, or the specific network IPs of the various networked
clients.

According to the well-commented cupsd.conf file:

# Allow: allows access from the specified hostname, domain, IP address,
# network, or interface.
#
# Deny: denies access from the specified hostname, domain, IP address,
# network, or interface.
#
# Both Allow and Deny accept the following notations for addresses:
#
# All
# None
# *.domain.com
# .domain.com
# host.domain.com
# nnn.*
# nnn.nnn.*
# nnn.nnn.nnn.*
# nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn
# nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn/mm
# nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn/mmm.mmm.mmm.mmm
# @LOCAL
# @IF(name)
#
# The host and domain address require that you enable hostname lookups
# with HostNameLookups On above.
#
# The @LOCAL address allows or denies from all non point-to-point
# interfaces.  For example, if you have a LAN and a dial-up link,
# @LOCAL could allow connections from the LAN but not from the dial-up
# link.  Similarly, the @IF(name) address allows or denies from the
# named network interface, e.g. @IF(eth0) under Linux.  Interfaces are
# refreshed automatically (no more than once every 60 seconds), so
# they can be used on dynamically-configured interfaces, e.g. PPP,
# 802.11, etc.
#

So if you have more than one machine on the network, you might consider
changing the Allow From statements to read something like


 Allow From 192.168.0.*

(assuming that your network mask is 192.168.0. , which it may not be).
Modify for your actual network configuration.

Sorry, I use Samba to connect to the network printer, as it's connected
to a Windows box, so I can't help much more. Hope this is helpful though.

Holly



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Re: [gentoo-user] OpenOffice 2 - spadmin changes aren't saved

2005-12-01 Thread Joseph
On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 08:46 +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:37:34 -0700, Joseph wrote:
 
  Does anybody have a clue what is going on and how to make changes via
  spadmin.
 
 Are you running spadmin as root?

Yes, I did.
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:41:52 +0530, Mrugesh Karnik wrote:

 I just did emerge --udpate --deep world. It slotted 3.4 and 3.5, so I 
 first cleared out my distfiles to free up some space! Then, edited 
 /etc/rc.conf to set XSESSION=kde-3.5.

Use XSESSION=kde and it will always use the latest version.

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RE: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Michael Kintzios

 -Original Message-
 From: Mrugesh Karnik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 01 December 2005 13:12
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5
 
 
 Thiago Lüttig wrote:
  how do you installed it ? i mean, the emerge parameters ?? :D
 
 I just did emerge --udpate --deep world. It slotted 3.4 and 3.5, so I 
 first cleared out my distfiles to free up some space! Then, edited 
 /etc/rc.conf to set XSESSION=kde-3.5. After restarting 
 /etc/init.d/xdm, kdm-3.5 came up with entries for both 3.4 
 and 3.5. Some 
 packages are still being compiled. I'll keep 3.4 till all of them are 
 compiled and then unmerge 3.4.

If you have an old monolithic KDE install (in my case KDE-3.2.x) and
would like to unmerge it along with all the kde 3.2.x packages and
exclusive dependencies to save some space, how would you do it?  How
could one ensure that there will be no apps/deps out there, which will
try to re-emerge this old version afresh?
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote:

You won't bork anything by unmasking only. then use emerge -f to fetch
the files. Or download them from your nearest KDE mirror and put them
in $DISTDIR.


  

I would bork something.  ;)  Trust me.  It would likely not even boot
anymore.  LOL

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Martins Steinbergs
On Thursday 01 December 2005 13:12, Thiago Lüttig wrote:
 Hi, someone has installed the kde 3.5  how it“s running ??


upgraded (~amd64) app by app, then it apeared slotet, spent some time 
unmerging all kde 3.4* parts
runing it for 10 hours, no problems noticed. dont know is there better 
performance.  ok, so far dont like konquerors ad bloking feature, will look 
for transparent gif to replace ads, not the default red circle


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RE: [gentoo-user] Home Network Printing

2005-12-01 Thread Michael Kintzios
Thank you Holly,

 -Original Message-
 From: Holly Bostick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 01 December 2005 13:33
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Home Network Printing
 
[snip] 
 
 What I see is:
 
 I assume the printer is connected to the server--- but the server only
 allows connections from localhost (itself), and 192.168.0.2.

Yes on all counts.

 If 192.168.0.2 is not the network IP address of the client (host 1),
 then the connection is denied.

192.168.0.2 is the LAN address of the client (host 1).
 
 If the printer is connected to host 1... well, that only allows
 connections from localhost (itself). Connections from everywhere else
 are refused.

The printer is physically connected to host 2 which acts as the server
with IP address 102.168.0.3

 So what I would suggest is that the server allow connections from the
 network as a whole, or the specific network IPs of the 
 various networked
 clients.
 
[snip]
 
 So if you have more than one machine on the network, you 
 might consider
 changing the Allow From statements to read something like 
 
  Allow From 192.168.0.*

Each machine has only one NIC which connects them to the
router/LAN/Internet.  The router (netgear ADSL thingy) is 192.168.0.1
and acts both as the Internet gateway and the DNS for the machines on
the LAN.  I would rather allow access to explicit IP addresses, in this
case 192.168.0.2 which is the client.

Thanks for the heads up on the HostNameLookups On.  I'll try it
tonight - although setting the IP address would remove one more thing
for me to get wrong.  ;-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Home Network Printing

2005-12-01 Thread John Jolet

silly question, but...any firewalling on the host?
or client for that matter?
On Dec 1, 2005, at 8:34 AM, Michael Kintzios wrote:


Thank you Holly,


-Original Message-
From: Holly Bostick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 December 2005 13:33
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Home Network Printing


[snip]


What I see is:

I assume the printer is connected to the server--- but the server  
only

allows connections from localhost (itself), and 192.168.0.2.


Yes on all counts.


If 192.168.0.2 is not the network IP address of the client (host 1),
then the connection is denied.


192.168.0.2 is the LAN address of the client (host 1).


If the printer is connected to host 1... well, that only allows
connections from localhost (itself). Connections from everywhere else
are refused.


The printer is physically connected to host 2 which acts as the server
with IP address 102.168.0.3


So what I would suggest is that the server allow connections from the
network as a whole, or the specific network IPs of the
various networked
clients.


[snip]


So if you have more than one machine on the network, you
might consider
changing the Allow From statements to read something like

 Allow From 192.168.0.*


Each machine has only one NIC which connects them to the
router/LAN/Internet.  The router (netgear ADSL thingy) is 192.168.0.1
and acts both as the Internet gateway and the DNS for the machines on
the LAN.  I would rather allow access to explicit IP addresses, in  
this

case 192.168.0.2 which is the client.

Thanks for the heads up on the HostNameLookups On.  I'll try it
tonight - although setting the IP address would remove one more thing
for me to get wrong.  ;-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Numptie revdep-rebuild question?

2005-12-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:22:41 +, Stroller wrote:

 That cleared out quite a lot, but if I run `emerge -Pp` I see that 
 there's lots of other slotted packages on my system (see attached).
 
 The warnings in emerge's manpage are quite clear about the use of -P 
 so, having cleared out KDE 3.3.2 components, I have to ask if there's a 
 safe way to determine if there's any other unnecessary crap on my 
 system.

Most of the packages you listed, with the exception of Python, are
probably necessary. Things like automake, db and some GNOME libraries are
often needed in multiple versions. To see what is unnecessary, do

emerge -uavDN world
emerge -p depclean


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[gentoo-user] high volume IMAP/smtp server

2005-12-01 Thread Peter van Eck
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Hi,

Need to migrate from netscape mail server  running 7000 users to a
preferrable
open source solution(ncluding failover cluster).

Anyone got recommendations/suggestions , or actually running with this
amount of users.


thanks,

Peter

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: site web

2005-12-01 Thread Michael Sullivan
On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 13:01 +0100, Charly wrote:
 On Friday 25 November 2005 08:17, Yannick Majoros wrote:
  Charly Ghislain wrote:
   ok, pour ca il faut que je change 'baseurl' dans la conf de drupal.
   C'est fait.
   Pour la lenteur, c'est pas de ma faute c'est limité à 20ko/s je
   pense.
 
  20 kb/s, ça devrait bien suffire. Peut-être qu'il y avait d'autre
  téléchargements en cours ?
 
   @+
 
 Salut
 
 C'est juste pour te dire que le chipotage qu'on a fait pour que la bannière 
 se 
 mette au centre, ben ça marche pas sous Internet Explorer :( Tu n'aurait pas 
 une autre idée comme ça?
 
 Sinon, j'ai réussi à faire tous ce que je voulait, il reste juste quelques 
 termes que je n'arrive pas à traduire. Je vais continuer à chercher.
 
 Allez, à bientôt pour mettre tout ça en ligne
 
 Charly

Est-ce que je peux avoir ce poste dans anglais, s'il vous plait?  Mon
francais, c'est n'est pas tres bon...

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[gentoo-user] syncekonnector ebuild fails

2005-12-01 Thread Michael W. Holdeman
The new syncekonnector ebuild fails with this:

PocketPCKonnector.cpp: In member function `virtual KRES::Resource* 
PocketPCKonnectorFactory::resource(const KConfig*)':
PocketPCKonnector.cpp:40: error: cannot allocate an object of type 
`KSync::PocketPCKonnector'
PocketPCKonnector.cpp:40: error:   because the following virtual functions are 
abstract:
/usr/kde/3.5/include/kitchensync/konnector.h:176: error:  virtual QStringList 
KSync::Konnector::supportedFilterTypes() const
PocketPCKonnector.cpp: In constructor 
`KSync::PocketPCKonnector::PocketPCKonnector(const KConfig*)':
PocketPCKonnector.cpp:62: error: no matching function for call to 
`KCal::CalendarLocal::CalendarLocal()'
/usr/kde/3.5/include/libkcal/calendarlocal.h:37: note: candidates are: 
KCal::CalendarLocal::CalendarLocal(const KCal::CalendarLocal)
/usr/kde/3.5/include/libkcal/calendarlocal.h:42: note: 
KCal::CalendarLocal::CalendarLocal(const QString)
make[2]: *** [PocketPCKonnector.lo] Error 1
make[2]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
make[2]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/syncekonnector-0.2.1/work/syncekonnector-0.2.1/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/syncekonnector-0.2.1/work/syncekonnector-0.2.1'
make: *** [all] Error 2

!!! ERROR: app-pda/syncekonnector-0.2.1 failed.
!!! Function kde_src_compile, Line 173, Exitcode 2
!!! died running emake, kde_src_compile:make
!!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, NOT this status message

Anybody else have this?

Mike

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Re: [gentoo-user] usb key question

2005-12-01 Thread Kevin Hanson

John Jolet wrote:

insert the device by doing a tail -f /var/log/messages and see which it gets 
assigned.

On Tuesday 29 November 2005 15:28, Antoine wrote:
 


You might need to run fdisk /dev/sd? then mkfs.* /dev/sd?? . If you
don't have a /dev/sd? , check your kernel for SCSI block device support.
 


I have generic scsi support and there doesn't seem to be anything to
do with scsi in block devices... the usb key works fine under windows,
is formatted in vfat and has data on it.
There are a whole bunch of /dev/sd?s but trying to mount to any of them
gives me not a valid block devices.
Cheers
Antoine
   



 

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Kumar Golap

Also, after unmerging KDE 3.4, I had to rebuild all the other appsthat were built for 
3.4 viz. konversation, amarok, kdiff3, krename,kio-locate, krusader, kmldonkey, ktorrent, tellico, kchmviewer etc etcetc.

Would not the command revdep-rebuild do this for you ?
Just need to clarify before jumping in to kde-3.5 too.
Thanks

Kumar



[gentoo-user] can't boot 2.6.14

2005-12-01 Thread Sascha Lucas

Hi List,

I upgraded my laptop from kernel 2.6.13 to 2.6.14 (gentoo-r2). 2.6.14 
stops at early boot:


PCI: Bus 1, cardbus bridge: :00:08.0
  IO window: 2000-2fff
  IO window: 4000-4fff
  PREFETCH window: 0c00-0dff
  MEM window: 0e00-0fff
PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device :00:08.0
Simple Boot Flag at 0x37 set to 0x1

After this line the systems hangs.

Can someone instruct me how to figure out what the problem is? On my other 
Desktops/Laptops 2.6.14 works without any problems.


THX,

Sascha.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Kevin Hanson

Michael Kintzios wrote:


If you have an old monolithic KDE install (in my case KDE-3.2.x) and
would like to unmerge it along with all the kde 3.2.x packages and
exclusive dependencies to save some space, how would you do it?  How
could one ensure that there will be no apps/deps out there, which will
try to re-emerge this old version afresh?
 


I have a script that does this (found on this forum a while ago):

for x in `ls /usr/portage/kde-base`; do
 if [ $x != CVS ]; then
   echo -n =kde-base/$x-3.2* 
 fi
done |xargs emerge -Cv

Cheers,
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Mrugesh Karnik

Kumar Golap wrote:





Also, after unmerging KDE 3.4, I had to rebuild all the other apps
that were built for 3.4 viz. konversation, amarok, kdiff3, krename,
kio-locate, krusader, kmldonkey, ktorrent, tellico, kchmviewer etc etc
etc.



Would  not the command revdep-rebuild do this for you ?
Just need to clarify before jumping in to kde-3.5 too.

Thanks

Kumar



Actually, turns out that it was the moodin engine that required the 
rebuild. Rest were rather unnecessary. Anyway. I didn't try revdep-rebuild.


amaroK failed to compile with visualization support with KDE 3.5. 
Tellico failed as well. Mhmmm.


Mrugesh


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Re: [gentoo-user] no more NV_SATA, etc support in kernel?

2005-12-01 Thread maxim wexler
 
 I just checked both gnetoo-sources-2.6.14-r2 and
 vanilla-sources-2.6.14.2, and both have SIL and NV
 options.  Both
 depend upon SCSI_SATA, PCI, and EXPERIMENTAL, which
 means you must
 select Code maturity level options-Prompt for
 development...
 
 -Richard

Thanks, Richard, the drive is now found but after a
few lines starting with TCP in the boot console
immediately following mention of the HD the kernel
panics with same msg as before:

VFS: Cannot open root device sda6 or unknown
block(0,0)

 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Postfix and no worthy mechs found

2005-12-01 Thread Willie Wong
On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 10:44:32PM -0500, Sean Lester wrote:
 Greetings,
  I am lucky enough to have an ISP that blocks outbound port 25
 traffic.  Fortunately, inbound is wide open.  However, I am not able to
 configure Postfix 2.1.5 to successfully use my ISP mail server as a
 relayhost.  I get a reply in my logs that states:
  
 warning: SASL authentication failure: No worthy mechs found
 Authentication failed: cannot SASL authenticate to server
 smtp.sbcglobal.yahoo.com[68.142.229.41]: no mechanism available
  
While whatever you posted in terms of config files looked correct, I
have two quick questions:

 1) What did you set as relayhost?
 2) Does your provider support SSL or TLS? 

I ask because:
[01:54 PM]wwong ~ $ nmap 68.142.229.41

Starting nmap 3.83.DC13 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at
2005-12-01 13:54 EST
Interesting ports on smtp1-a.sbc.mail.vip.re2.yahoo.com
(68.142.229.41):
(The 1665 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: filtered)
PORTSTATE SERVICE
80/tcp  open  http
587/tcp open  submission

Nmap finished: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 48.081 seconds

shows that it uses TCP 587 for mail submission as defined in RFC2476,
which is slated to replace TCP 25, and uses ESMTP. You might need to
set relayhost=smtp.sbcglobal.yahoo.com:587 (I am not sure since my
mail providers have always only used TLS on port 25 or SSL on port
465). 

HTH

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Rafael Fernández López
Hi !!

I'm just finishing emerging lots of updates and KDE of course. I'll tell
you. I've seen that KDE 3.5 is slotted, and I'd like to uninstall 3.4
version, but I've got installed non-monolithic package, so there are lots
of dependencies and apps that are not on kde-base, and I'd like to know
how to uninstall it succesffully.

for x in `ls /usr/portage/kde-base`; do
  if [ $x != CVS ]; then
echo -n =kde-base/$x-3.2* 
  fi
done |xargs emerge -Cv



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: site web

2005-12-01 Thread Michael Sullivan
On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 17:43 +0100, Charly ghislain wrote:
 On Thursday 01 December 2005 16:29, Michael Sullivan wrote:
  On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 13:01 +0100, Charly wrote:
   On Friday 25 November 2005 08:17, Yannick Majoros wrote:
Charly Ghislain wrote:
 ok, pour ca il faut que je change 'baseurl' dans la conf de drupal.
 C'est fait.
 Pour la lenteur, c'est pas de ma faute c'est limité à 20ko/s je
 pense.
   
20 kb/s, ça devrait bien suffire. Peut-être qu'il y avait d'autre
téléchargements en cours ?
   
 @+
  
   Salut
  
   C'est juste pour te dire que le chipotage qu'on a fait pour que la
   bannière se mette au centre, ben ça marche pas sous Internet Explorer :(
   Tu n'aurait pas une autre idée comme ça?
  
   Sinon, j'ai réussi à faire tous ce que je voulait, il reste juste
   quelques termes que je n'arrive pas à traduire. Je vais continuer à
   chercher.
  
   Allez, à bientôt pour mettre tout ça en ligne
  
   Charly
 
  Est-ce que je peux avoir ce poste dans anglais, s'il vous plait?  Mon
  francais, c'est n'est pas tres bon...
 
 Excuse me, i did post on the list but it was for a friend of mine
 
 Sorry
 

OK.  Never mind.

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Re: [gentoo-user]

2005-12-01 Thread Jamie Dobbs
please read the post which have told you the correct method to do this
unsubscription:

send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and do NOT sent
requests to the list

This information was given to you on a number of occassions including
when you first joined the list and is quite clearly stated on the lists
website as well.

On 12/1/2005, Ole Robert Hestvik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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[gentoo-user] SOLVED: vlc prevent upgrade?

2005-12-01 Thread James
Christoph Daldrup cd-news at gmx.net writes:


  I want maintain version vlc-0.8.2-r2 
 Imho media-video/vlc-0.8.4 ~x86 in /etc/portage/package.keywords
 should do exactly what you want.

That did it!

thanks,

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[gentoo-user] RE: Home Network Printing

2005-12-01 Thread Mick
Michael Kintzios wrote:

 Not silly at all.  Yes, I have firewall on both - but the first thing I
 did was to shut down the firewalls, just in case.

OK, I may be getting somewhere.  I removed the IfRequested  - Use
encryption if the server requests it - although I would have thought that
some pop up would appear asking for user name/passwd?

The gui interface on the client shows the printer URL as follows:

Device URI: http://192.168.0.3:631/Compaq-HP

Checking the server's cups error log I get:
===
get_printer_attrs: resource name '/Compaq-HP' no good!
===

The client gives the same old printer does not exist error:
===
I [01/Dec/2005:20:13:20 +] [Job 67] Connecting to 192.168.0.3 on port
631...
I [01/Dec/2005:20:13:20 +] [Job 67] Connected to 192.168.0.3...
D [01/Dec/2005:20:13:20 +] [Job 67] Getting supported attributes...
E [01/Dec/2005:20:13:20 +] [Job 67] Destination printer does not exist!
E [01/Dec/2005:20:13:22 +] PID 22860 stopped with status 1!
===

The above makes me think that there's something wrong in the way I specify
the ipp address for the remote printer.  Why is the / separator
interpreted as part of the name of the printer?

What is the correct syntax?  The gui gives the following examples when
adding a printer:
===
Examples: 

file:/path/to/filename.prn
http://hostname:631/ipp/
http://hostname:631/ipp/port1
ipp://hostname/ipp/
ipp://hostname/ipp/port1
lpd://hostname/queue
socket://hostname
socket://hostname:9100
===
Anyawy, I've tried all possible ipp combinations to no avail.  :-(
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Re: [gentoo-user]

2005-12-01 Thread Billy Holmes

Jamie Dobbs wrote:

This information was given to you on a number of occassions including
when you first joined the list and is quite clearly stated on the lists
website as well.


Sounds like it's a PEBKAC issue to me...
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Re: [gentoo-user] RE: Home Network Printing

2005-12-01 Thread Richard Fish
On 12/1/05, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The gui interface on the client shows the printer URL as follows:

 Device URI: http://192.168.0.3:631/Compaq-HP

 Checking the server's cups error log I get:
 ===
 get_printer_attrs: resource name '/Compaq-HP' no good!

snip

 What is the correct syntax?  The gui gives the following examples when
 adding a printer:
 ===
 Examples:

 file:/path/to/filename.prn
 http://hostname:631/ipp/
 http://hostname:631/ipp/port1
 ipp://hostname/ipp/
 ipp://hostname/ipp/port1
 lpd://hostname/queue

First, let me say that I don't have this setup, but based on
/usr/share/doc/cups-1.1.23-r4/html/ipp.pdf, you should have something
like:

ipp://192.168.0.3/printers/Compaq-HP

You should also be able to do some browing on the cups server:

http://192.168.0.3:631/admin/
http://192.168.0.3:631/printers/

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[gentoo-user] gcc hardened and vanilla + distcc

2005-12-01 Thread Peper
Hello,
I want to use gcc-vanilla on my desktop(x86) and gcc-hardened on my 
server(x86). Can i then use distcc?

And second, harder(imho) step: can i also join  amd64 with gcc-vanilla to my 
small distcc-net?

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[gentoo-user] Re: RE: Home Network Printing

2005-12-01 Thread Mick
Richard Fish wrote:

 First, let me say that I don't have this setup, but based on
 /usr/share/doc/cups-1.1.23-r4/html/ipp.pdf, you should have something
 like:
 
 ipp://192.168.0.3/printers/Compaq-HP

Wey-hey! It WORKS! :-D

Thanks Richard, thank you all.  The mistake was with me missing out
the /printers/ part of the address.  Hmm, perhaps the Example given on the
gui needs improving?

Last question and then I'll be good to print until I run out of money to pay
for the *extremely expensive* HP ink ;-)

What rule should I add to the firewall on the server to allow it to accept
cups requests from the client.  I don't want to open a great big hole for
all traffic, just the cups requests only.  With the firewall working the
client logs show:

 Network host '192.168.0.3' is busy; will retry in 30 seconds...


Also, if I were to tweak the cupsd.conf file with security in mind what
would be your recommendations for a good set up?
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Dale
Hi,

Just to make sure I get this right, when I upgrade to KDE 3.5, KDE 3.4
will still be installed right?  This is how it was done in the past but
I don't want to loose 3.4 until I get used to 3.5 and make sure it will
work OK.

I use kdm and can select what version of KDE I want to login to.  I also
used that to select between KDE, Gnome, IceWM etc when I was testing the
waters.  Just thought you would like to know that.  Kept me from having
to edit rc.conf to pick what GUI I wanted to use.

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Video capture card recommendations

2005-12-01 Thread Bob Sanders
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:50:24 + (UTC)
James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Are you receiving and correctly displaying HDTV broadcast over the air
 with these cards? If so, Which one do you like better for HDTV reception?
 We're moving to all HDTV broadcast in my area of Florida in early 2006...
 

No,  I'm not doing any off-the-air.  Just S-VHS in.  Also, the Hauppauge card
is Std Def only, or more exactly - MPEG2.  Over the air broadcast, and most 
cable
and sat.  broadcasts are not of interest to me - the content tends to suck.
 
 Do you have a wireless (infrared) remote controller working with either card,
 for channel surfing HDTV? 

I played with the remote that came with the Hauppauge, but never got it working.
As I'm close to the screen, the remote doesn't really do more than get lost.  So
as lirc has improved, I never made much effort.

 Any Recommendations on a remote controller with this sort of setup?
 

I've read that Ati's remote works well.  But mostly it seems that how much 
effort
you're willing to put into the details is the main issue on remotes.

Bob
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[gentoo-user] creating local copies of web pages

2005-12-01 Thread Robert Persson
I have been trying all afternoon to make local copies of web pages from a 
netscape bookmark file. I have been wrestling with httrack (through 
khttrack), pavuk and wget, but none of them work. httrack and pavuk seem to 
claim they can do the job, but they can't, or at least not in any way an 
ordinary mortal could be expected to work out. They do things like pretending 
to download hundreds of files without actually saving them to disk, crashing 
suddenly and frequently, and popping up messages saying that I haven't 
contributed enough code to their project to expect the thing to work 
properly. I don't want to do anything hideously complicated. I just want to 
make local copies of some bookmarked pages. What tools should I be using?

I would be happy to use a windows tool in wine if it worked. I would be happy 
to reboot into Windows if I could get this job done.

One option would be to feed wget a list of urls. The trouble is I don't know 
how to turn an html bookmark file into a simple list of urls. I imagine I 
could do it in sed if I spent enough time to learn sed, but my afternoon has 
gone now and I don't have the time.

Many thanks
Robert
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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc hardened and vanilla + distcc

2005-12-01 Thread gentoo
On 23:36 Thu 01 Dec , Peper wrote:
 Hello,
 I want to use gcc-vanilla on my desktop(x86) and gcc-hardened on my 
 server(x86). Can i then use distcc?
 
 And second, harder(imho) step: can i also join  amd64 with gcc-vanilla to my 
 small distcc-net?
 
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Hi,
Not very sure but think you can't.
When using hardened-gcc it generates code using SSP+PIE etc. specific code so 
it's not compatible with vanilla-gcc.
No experience with 64-bit CPUs.
HTH.Rumen
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Re: [gentoo-user] creating local copies of web pages

2005-12-01 Thread Shawn Singh
I guess I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do, but when I want to get a local copy of a website I do this:

nohup wget -m http://www.someUrL.org 

ShawnOn 12/2/05, Robert Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have been trying all afternoon to make local copies of web pages from anetscape bookmark file. I have been wrestling with httrack (throughkhttrack), pavuk and wget, but none of them work. httrack and pavuk seem to
claim they can do the job, but they can't, or at least not in any way anordinary mortal could be expected to work out. They do things like pretendingto download hundreds of files without actually saving them to disk, crashing
suddenly and frequently, and popping up messages saying that I haven'tcontributed enough code to their project to expect the thing to workproperly. I don't want to do anything hideously complicated. I just want to
make local copies of some bookmarked pages. What tools should I be using?I would be happy to use a windows tool in wine if it worked. I would be happyto reboot into Windows if I could get this job done.
One option would be to feed wget a list of urls. The trouble is I don't knowhow to turn an html bookmark file into a simple list of urls. I imagine Icould do it in sed if I spent enough time to learn sed, but my afternoon has
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[gentoo-user] Dispaly problems on external monitor

2005-12-01 Thread Vikas BN
Hi Folks,
 
 I have a laptop Dell D610 at work and i installed gentoo
 on that. I have a docking station and a DEll 1905FP external
 monitor connected to the docking station through a DVI port.

 I could install gentoo from the live-cd (minimal-iso) and the
 display was showing up on the external monitor. However, after
 i compiled the kernel and booted from it, the external monitor
 blanks after the radeonfb loads and the boot messages switch 
 to a better resolution with tux logo.

 I compiled this support into the kernel while configuring it.
 Now i can work using the laptop LCD, but not using the external
 monitor.

 The laptop has an ATI mobility video card (M22) and the laptop
 LCD can do 1024x768 and the external monitor can do [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Is there something that i forgot to configure in the kernel?

-vikas




Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Robert Crawford
Correct. Just to be sure, do emerge -up kde first, and if NS (new slot) is 
before each kde package, you're ready to go. Also it's a good idea to do a :

cp -a /home/user/.kde3.4 .kde.old 

for a backup of your user configs. Maybe also back up a few config files 
in /usr/kde/3.4/share/config.  Really, upgrading to 3.5 is painless and 
simple.

Robert Crawford

On Thu December 1 2005 7:31 pm, Dale wrote:
 Hi,

 Just to make sure I get this right, when I upgrade to KDE 3.5, KDE 3.4
 will still be installed right?  This is how it was done in the past but
 I don't want to loose 3.4 until I get used to 3.5 and make sure it will
 work OK.

 I use kdm and can select what version of KDE I want to login to.  I also
 used that to select between KDE, Gnome, IceWM etc when I was testing the
 waters.  Just thought you would like to know that.  Kept me from having
 to edit rc.conf to pick what GUI I wanted to use.

 Dale

 :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5

2005-12-01 Thread Dale
Robert Crawford wrote:

Correct. Just to be sure, do emerge -up kde first, and if NS (new slot) is 
before each kde package, you're ready to go. Also it's a good idea to do a :

cp -a /home/user/.kde3.4 .kde.old 

for a backup of your user configs. Maybe also back up a few config files 
in /usr/kde/3.4/share/config.  Really, upgrading to 3.5 is painless and 
simple.

Robert Crawford
  

Thanks for the info.  That was the way they did it in the past but I
wanted to make sure, you know, before I borked it up really bad.  If I'm
going to screw it up, I may as well know I'm going to do it good.  LOL 
Those back-ups sounds like a good idea.  I think it did it itself last
time though.  It was there at least and I didn't do it.  I was ignorant
then. 

Now to get OOo downloaded.  My ISP kicks me offline after 6 hours.  I'm
trying another number to see if it is any better.  If they don't fix it,
I may end up switching.  It's starting to get old.  I sent them a email
but have not heard back.  May have to call them.  They are just up the
street so I can go eye to eye if needed.  Hit them with a hammer to get
their attention.  o_O  Hit the server to if needed.  LOL

Dale
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