Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
Hallo, wie Du vielleicht an meiner e-mail erkennst (am Namen) ... meine Muttersprache ist Deutsch. ;-))) Hi, as you possibly recognize by my e-mail (the name) ... my native language is German ;-))) I got a PB installation and there is some doc about the (programming) language in the tar ball. In fact, the syntax: something(x) /anything means an array of structs something where anything is a member of the struct something. THAT was my question. Not at all, thanks. Frank On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 16:47 +0200, Holly Bostick wrote: Frank Schafer schreef: The only thing I don't understand after 5 minutes looking at the code; what means: spieler(i) \Status = 1 I don't know anything about code, but I looked at this and immediately saw spieler = Player in German. Maybe that helps you understand what it's doing. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] VMWare?
This is exactly what I do. I run VMWare on XP and I just use the raw partition for gentoo. The beauty is that when I really need to be native in gentoo for some reason (maybe for kismet or something hardware related), I just dual-boot into it. It's very slick. And it's pretty f'n awesome to be able to run BOTH OSs at the SAME TIME. D.Vin -Original Message- From: Richard Fish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:21 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] VMWare? One possibility is to setup the system as a dual-boot system, and give yourself the choice of running Gentoo from within VMWare or natively. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Flash MX 2004
Ian K wrote: Hey all, Has anyone been able to get the trial working under Wine? Also, because I would use it under Wine, would it be easy to uninstall the trial and re install it after 30 days? :) Ian I don't know but maybe this will help http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=flashmx -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
Matan Peled wrote: Well, first of all, top-posting sucks, especially in a thread which has already begun as bottom-posting. What are you talking about ? Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a solution not involving the Internet... =) If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet connection when he wants to view this information throught the emerge interface, then you're wrong. When you want to install or you're just searching for a package you're using the emerge interface , when you need more info you have to 1) open your browser 2) type in the url (if you're lucky you know the url or it's in your browsers cache) 3) search for the package on the website , while instead you could just do something like emerge --desc package. Now what's quicker and makes more sence ? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] More splash problems
On 23 August 2005 20:14, Holly Bostick wrote: Matthias Krebs schreef: And as someone else mentioned before, vesafb-tng is not a valid kernel parameter, so everything after it is ignored. In what world is this? If you're using vesafb-tng (added to the kernel options by the fbsplash patch which you get with the gentoo kernels, which is no surprise, given that it was created by spock, a gentoo developer), then it most certainly is a valid kernel parameter (and was selected in the kernel config output that was posted in a previous message. If the post you're referring to was Uwe's, I don't think he meant that the parameter was invalid, but rather that rather than using vesafb-tng, that the OP should try regular vesafb, which might work where vesafb-tng wasn't working. Nope, that was not what I meant. I meant: If you select vesafb-tng during kernel configuration, vesafb on the kernel command line refers to vesafb-tng. That's how it works here without *any* problem. Uwe -- 95% of all programmers rate themselves among the top 5% of all software developers. - Linus Torvalds http://www.uwix.iway.na (last updated: 20.06.2004) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] More splash problems
On 23 August 2005 20:14, Holly Bostick wrote: Sorry, forgot this in my other posting. Oh, and btw, Nagatoro... it's silly, but just open up your grub.conf with nano and make sure that some word-wrap somewhere didn't mess up your kernel line. That happened to me a couple of times, and in that respect, Matthias is on to something: if the line wraps to another line (with some kind of soft return), and is not really all on one line as it is supposed to be, the second half of the kernel line (after the soft wrap) will be ignored. So opening up the file with nano and going to the beginning of any apparently wrapped line and hitting Backspace to pull it all together is not a bad idea. This can be easily proved. Do cat /proc/cmdline and check whether the output matches the line in grub.conf. Uwe -- 95% of all programmers rate themselves among the top 5% of all software developers. - Linus Torvalds http://www.uwix.iway.na (last updated: 20.06.2004) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:13 +0300, Matan Peled wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frank Schafer wrote: Hmmm, a game IS an application (for gaming purposes) ;-)) Fast scrolling and all of this stuff isn't made by PB but by library routines (SDL on Linux). So every (I mean EVERY) language should handle this if the system does it handle. By the way, we definitely can change the programming language by simple syntax conversion if the original code is proper organized (I did this more than once). A complete rewrite isn't such a big task too. Programming means to describe the whole logic of an application (games too ;). Use structograms, flow charts, petri nets ... as you like. Translating this into a programming Language (C, C++, Pascal, BASIC, Forth, Prolog ...) is pure coding. I remember the time we touched the hardware itself if we did need speed (DOS, was it GEM on the Amiga?, the legendary Spectrum, C64 ...) but I'm skeptic if modern OS will still allow this. 0.02$ Frank And C is EXTREMELY fast. I mean, I'm having real trouble believing that BASIC can be faster than C... Anyway, simple syntax change is not all that needed. You also need to talk to SDL - something I think PureBasic handled previously. I think SDL has an API, don't you think too? ;) - -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDDB4nA7Qvptb0LKURAg3iAJwMbjxdpiIOCW2AETRWoui3UqeyqQCdErRG B289dsEN4ZC1JMHOtZAa7ew= =m9SM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frank Schafer wrote: I think SDL has an API, don't you think too? ;) Well, of course. But it wasn't used before, rather PureBasic's one was used. Now we need to use that API (Thats what I meant by Talking to SDL...) - -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDDCsnA7Qvptb0LKURAkzEAJ9DFzs6ooCwL9XcC7pUWS9BIDOEpgCdGtVN RWUAxhkhZxxjm4/clhz0eM4= =hpyQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of work. By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and only encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this nice stuff is a big problem of this language!) Maybe a C Fan is reading this and likes to do it. I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!) But all this is too much effort. Purebasic has a very syntax and for a basic dialect a very good performance. Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 08:39 schrieb Frank Schafer: Hmmm, a game IS an application (for gaming purposes) ;-)) Fast scrolling and all of this stuff isn't made by PB but by library routines (SDL on Linux). So every (I mean EVERY) language should handle this if the system does it handle. By the way, we definitely can change the programming language by simple syntax conversion if the original code is proper organized (I did this more than once). A complete rewrite isn't such a big task too. Programming means to describe the whole logic of an application (games too ;). Use structograms, flow charts, petri nets ... as you like. Translating this into a programming Language (C, C++, Pascal, BASIC, Forth, Prolog ...) is pure coding. I remember the time we touched the hardware itself if we did need speed (DOS, was it GEM on the Amiga?, the legendary Spectrum, C64 ...) but I'm skeptic if modern OS will still allow this. 0.02$ Frank On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 21:31 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote: But this is a game and not an aplication. I need fast scrolling and all this stuff. I don't think this languages can handle that. Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 09:57 schrieb Heinz Sporn: Am Dienstag, den 23.08.2005, 09:06 +0200 schrieb Markus Döbele: Purebasic is very fast. The generated assembler code kicks ass. And I can compile it for Linux, Mac OS and Windows. If I find a Open Source Basic Compiler that can do the task. I consider rewriting it again. Did you ever look at Gambas? http://gambas.sourceforge.net/ At the moment it's dedicated to X environments with both QT and GTK support but I wouldn't be suprised if they will support Windoze in the future. The IDE itself is very nice and the compiler generates smooth code. It's in Portage BTW. And last but not least they have a very nice community. Another option might be RealBasic http://www.realbasic.com/ . The Current RealBasic version 2005 is commercial, but the older standard version 5.5 for Windows is free. It's a little strange but with that you are able to produce native Linux binaries for a QT environment. We are programming this game since 12 years :-) The first Version we programmed on the Atari ST! :-)) There the language was calles STOS. Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 08:33 schrieb Frank Schafer: Hi Markus, have you ever wondered about the possibility to rewrite your game to another programming language. There's a lot of possibilities (even for FSF game engines). Just a thought Frank On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 23:42 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote: So we have to treat Lost Labyrinth as closed source. Because the source code of this game is only useful to other purebasic programmers. And people that got the compiler. I understand. Can't change that. Am Montag, 22. August 2005 22:52 schrieb Matan Peled: Markus Döbele wrote: I created a tar.gz Version of this game too. I'm sorry that its not possible to compile it with the demo version of the compiler. What are gentoo users doing with other binary packages? Like Acrobat Reader? Is this a big problem for this system? No, Portage can handle binary apps just fine. We have Java, Unreal Tournament 2k3/2k4, Doom 3, Neverwinter Nights... All kinds of binary-only apps. But all of them are closed-source (Except for the -bin version of some rather big packages, manly to save people the compile time...). It feels kinda wrong to install a binary package of a (small) open-source app on a source-based system... Its also weird having an opensource app that you can only compile using a non-free (as in beer) compiler... -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Heinz Sporn SPORN it-freelancing Mobile: ++43 (0)699 / 127 827 07 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.sporn-it.com Snail: Steyrer Str. 20 A-4540 Bad Hall Austria / Europe -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
Agreed C IS faster. But no fun at all. Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 09:13 schrieb Matan Peled: Frank Schafer wrote: Hmmm, a game IS an application (for gaming purposes) ;-)) Fast scrolling and all of this stuff isn't made by PB but by library routines (SDL on Linux). So every (I mean EVERY) language should handle this if the system does it handle. By the way, we definitely can change the programming language by simple syntax conversion if the original code is proper organized (I did this more than once). A complete rewrite isn't such a big task too. Programming means to describe the whole logic of an application (games too ;). Use structograms, flow charts, petri nets ... as you like. Translating this into a programming Language (C, C++, Pascal, BASIC, Forth, Prolog ...) is pure coding. I remember the time we touched the hardware itself if we did need speed (DOS, was it GEM on the Amiga?, the legendary Spectrum, C64 ...) but I'm skeptic if modern OS will still allow this. 0.02$ Frank And C is EXTREMELY fast. I mean, I'm having real trouble believing that BASIC can be faster than C... Anyway, simple syntax change is not all that needed. You also need to talk to SDL - something I think PureBasic handled previously. -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] newbie install - emerge: command not found
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:52:22 +0200, Assaf Urieli wrote: BTW, /usr/bin doesn't even exist - all /usr contains is lost+found Do you have a separate partition for /usr? If so, is it mounted? What you describe is a classic symptom of installing /usr on its own partition and forgetting to add it to /etc/fstab. Oy vey, that was it! I knew I must be doing something stupid. Feeling adventurous, I decided to create a 4th partition and mount /usr onto it in my /etc/fstab, but on the other hand I didn't mount it while installing gentoo (I thought somehow the fstab would be enough)... So everything got installed on the root partition. I corrected the problem by changing my /etc/fstab to mount /dev/hda4 somewhere else, and now when I reboot my /usr/bin directory contains everything that was installed on it. So, just a couple of questions to get things organised in my brain: If I wanted to mount the /usr partition while installing, would this have been the right command? Would I have to make the directory first? # mount -t ext3 /dev/hda4 /mnt/gentoo/usr In fact, I'm not even quite sure that I understand the whole concept of mounting... When I type: # mount -t ext3 /dev/hda3 /mnt/gentoo Does the /mnt/gentoo directory already exist somewhere? If it didn't, I imagine this statement would throw an error. But where can it exist if it isn't yet associated with any partition (i.e. /dev/hda3)? # mkdir /mnt/gentoo/boot Where am I making this directory? I would assume this statement creates the directory on /dev/hda3. But then, in the next statement, I'm associating it with /dev/hda4! # mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/gentoo/boot Another question: Now that I've got an unused /dev/hda4 partition, what should I mount on it? I can't mount /usr onto it cause /usr already exists on the root partition is full of stuff. Can I just invent any old name for mounting (like say, /home), and then use it for storing data? Sorry for the naive questions, but I'm trying to get my head around some of these concepts... Best regards, Assaf -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] newbie install - emerge: command not found
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:32 +0200, Assaf Urieli wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:52:22 +0200, Assaf Urieli wrote: BTW, /usr/bin doesn't even exist - all /usr contains is lost+found Do you have a separate partition for /usr? If so, is it mounted? What you describe is a classic symptom of installing /usr on its own partition and forgetting to add it to /etc/fstab. Oy vey, that was it! I knew I must be doing something stupid. Feeling adventurous, I decided to create a 4th partition and mount /usr onto it in my /etc/fstab, but on the other hand I didn't mount it while installing gentoo (I thought somehow the fstab would be enough)... So everything got installed on the root partition. I corrected the problem by changing my /etc/fstab to mount /dev/hda4 somewhere else, and now when I reboot my /usr/bin directory contains everything that was installed on it. So, just a couple of questions to get things organised in my brain: If I wanted to mount the /usr partition while installing, would this have been the right command? Would I have to make the directory first? # mount -t ext3 /dev/hda4 /mnt/gentoo/usr Former: yes, latter: yes In fact, I'm not even quite sure that I understand the whole concept of mounting... When I type: # mount -t ext3 /dev/hda3 /mnt/gentoo Does the /mnt/gentoo directory already exist somewhere? If it didn't, I imagine this statement would throw an error. But where can it exist if it isn't yet associated with any partition (i.e. /dev/hda3)? First: it has to exist Second: you imagine right Third: A bolt hole can exist without a bolt in it, can't it? # mkdir /mnt/gentoo/boot Where am I making this directory? I would assume this statement creates the directory on /dev/hda3. But then, in the next statement, I'm yes associating it with /dev/hda4! right /mnt/ | +- gentoo/ this is a mountpoint (bolt hole) on /dev/hda3 #mount /dev/hda4 /mnt/gentoo (here's the bolt) | + usr/ this is a normal directory | + boot/ further bolt hole # mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/gentoo/boot (with bolt from here on) Well, every normal directory can act as a bolt hole. If it contains something when you screw the bolt in (mount something) the content of the directory will be hidden (that's why the commands weren't found). Another question: Now that I've got an unused /dev/hda4 partition, what should I mount on it? I can't mount /usr onto it cause /usr already exists on the root partition is full of stuff. Can I just invent any old name for mounting (like say, /home), and then use it for storing data? yes Sorry for the naive questions, but I'm trying to get my head around some of these concepts... Don't worry, we all began some (ancient ;) time ago. Best regards, Assaf Regards Frank -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
further questions / info. Seems PureBasic is a direct dependency for all programs compiled with it. They will probably use the shared library which comes with PureBasic. I wonder ... There is a static library amongst the PureBasic binary too. Maybe PureBasic compiles the way VisualBasic up to version 5 did. Making a data block from the source leaving the source itself intact, linking a library with a small starting code (the interpreter) letting the executable interpreting the data block inside itself. ... that would stand for real speed ... interpreting ... Further 0,02$ Frank On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:25 +0200, Frank Schafer wrote: right, and that means we have to study PB's syntax ... what I'm doing just now if I have some time. PB itself is probably written in C. A compiler with less than 140kB IMHO isn't written in C++. BTW: Have a look at ``strings pbcompiler | more''! It's VEERY interesting. Seems pbcompiler simply maps BASIC instructions to assembler mnemonics. :-))) On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 11:09 +0300, Matan Peled wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frank Schafer wrote: I think SDL has an API, don't you think too? ;) Well, of course. But it wasn't used before, rather PureBasic's one was used. Now we need to use that API (Thats what I meant by Talking to SDL...) - -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDDCsnA7Qvptb0LKURAkzEAJ9DFzs6ooCwL9XcC7pUWS9BIDOEpgCdGtVN RWUAxhkhZxxjm4/clhz0eM4= =hpyQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gforce4 and gensplash
Can I make gensplash to work with gforce4? yes Hi Matan, That's good news. Thanks. What fb driver are you using? I've tried with vesafb which was working well with my onboard i810 chip without success. Thanks, Sasha -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Strange udev Error on boot
Hi I am getting a strange error on boot when udev runs. Could anyone give me some insight as to what the problem is? Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd76, sector 4294964992 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd76: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd76, sector 4294964848 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd76: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd76, sector 4294964848 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294965120 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294965120 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294964992 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294964992 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294964992 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294964848 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294964848 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294965120 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294965120 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294964992 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294964992 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294964992 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294964848 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294964848 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294965120 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294965120 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294964992 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294964992 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294964992 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294964848 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294964848 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294965120 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294965120 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294964992 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294964992 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294964992 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294964848 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294964848 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd80: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd80, sector 4294965120 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd80: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd80, sector 4294965120 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd80: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd80, sector 4294964992 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd80: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd80, sector 4294964992 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd80: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd80, sector 4294964992 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd80: Request when not-ready Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd80, sector 4294964848 Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel]
RE: [gentoo-user] newbie install - emerge: command not found
-Original Message- From: Frank Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 August 2005 09:59 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] newbie install - emerge: command not found On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:32 +0200, Assaf Urieli wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:52:22 +0200, Assaf Urieli wrote: In fact, I'm not even quite sure that I understand the whole concept of mounting... When I type: # mount -t ext3 /dev/hda3 /mnt/gentoo Does the /mnt/gentoo directory already exist somewhere? If it didn't, I imagine this statement would throw an error. But where can it exist if it isn't yet associated with any partition (i.e. /dev/hda3)? First: it has to exist Second: you imagine right Third: A bolt hole can exist without a bolt in it, can't it? Perhaps it would help if you for a minute try to break the assumed and transparent (from a M$Windoze user perspective) linkage between filesystem components (e.g. a directory like /mnt/gentoo) and device components (e.g. a partition like /dev/hda3). The physical device which contains actual data will only be connected to the software entity of a directory, after it is mounted (linked) to it by means of # mount device path. After that linkage (mounting) is established your OS can access and read the data stored on that device. # mkdir /mnt/gentoo/boot Where am I making this directory? I would assume this statement creates the directory on /dev/hda3. Not as you understand it: directories are software entities, /dev/hda3 is a physical device (hardware). In other words, you are creating a subdirectory within your /mnt/gentoo directory - a software path in your filesystem. As long as your /mnt/gentoo directory has been linked to the physical device of /dev/hda3 then this directory/subdirectory/.../files structure and its contents will be stored (saved) in the mounted /dev/hda3. But then, in the next statement, I'm associating it with /dev/hda4! OK, if you were to mount your /dev/hda4 to your /mnt/gentoo/usr then any relevant data produced thereafter will no longer be stored on the previously mounted device (/dev/hda3), but on the newly mounted /dev/hda4. I hope this helps. -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
El 24/ago/2005 a las 04:01 -0300, Jonas me decía: Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a solution not involving the Internet... =) If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet connection when he wants to view this information throught the emerge interface, then you're wrong. When you want to install or you're just searching for a package you're using the emerge interface , when you need more info you have to 1) open your browser 2) type in the url (if you're lucky you know the url or it's in your browsers cache) 3) search for the package on the website , while instead you could just do something like emerge --desc package. Now what's quicker and makes more sence ? Exactly! That's what i'm refering to. It's not an issues of connection it's an issue of lazyness! It's like: -- hey what are you doing this weekend? -- don't know, it's cold and raining, i think i'm gonna sit in my throne and check what's new on 'app-vim' to improve my vimyness, if find something interesting i'll check the package webpage. For now i'm using 'questo': === script #!/bin/bash # lun may 2 20:57:24 ART 2005 # conan - GPLed # # script to check for apps on rainy sunday morning BASE_DIR=/usr/portage/ [ $# -ne 1 ] echo Uso: questo category exit 0 cd $BASE_DIR$1 for package in * ; do eix ^$paquete\$ echo Looking for: $1/$paquete. ENTER to continue... read done === end script Now i took sugestion from Ciaran to look in metadata.xml, i check a couple by hand and see the 'longdesc' field but... with short descriptions! Now maybe i just choose two with bad luck, but i got a feeling that gentoo maintainers doesn't like to provide longdesc, although there is the posibility. I was thinking of doing a little script that gives longdesc found in metadata to confirm this, but since i don't know nothing about xml, think it gonna take a little bit more that if there were already an application to check 'metadata.xml' fields. 'emerge', 'equery' and 'eix' wich are the administration tools i use everyday don't say nothing about this, i think all of them use de description field in ebuilds. I wonder if somebody knows another app to do this? If not, the idea of the script is more less this: lslongdesc package|category|all where: - 'package' gives longdesc of package - 'category' gives longdesc of all packages in category - and 'all' gives them all flooding your screen with info you never gonna eat... but that is there. It's so simple that i'm sure there must be an app (or compound of them) that already do this. -- Fernando Canizo - http://www.lugmen.org.ar/~conan/ Olmstead's Law: After all is said and done, a hell of a lot more is said than done. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] newbie install - emerge: command not found
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:32:00 +0200, Assaf Urieli wrote: In fact, I'm not even quite sure that I understand the whole concept of mounting... When I type: # mount -t ext3 /dev/hda3 /mnt/gentoo Does the /mnt/gentoo directory already exist somewhere? If it didn't, I imagine this statement would throw an error. But where can it exist if it isn't yet associated with any partition (i.e. /dev/hda3)? It must exist, and it exists as a normal directory within /mnt. # mkdir /mnt/gentoo/boot Where am I making this directory? I would assume this statement creates the directory on /dev/hda3. But then, in the next statement, I'm associating it with /dev/hda4! You are creating it in whatever filesystem contains /mnt/gentoo. At this point, it is simply an empty directory in that filesystem. Only when you mount it does it have any content. Actually, a mount point can have content of its own, which becomes invisible when another filesystem is mounted on it. For example, in Gentoo /mnt/cdrom normally contains a single file called .keep, which you no longer see when you mount a CD, you see the contents of that disc instead. When you unmount the CD, the underlying directory becomes visible again and you can see .keep. Now that I've got an unused /dev/hda4 partition, what should I mount on it? I can't mount /usr onto it cause /usr already exists on the root partition is full of stuff. Can I just invent any old name for mounting (like say, /home), and then use it for storing data? Yes, and you could also mount /usr on it. mkdir /mnt/tmp mount /dev/hda4 /mnt/tmp rsync -a /usr/ /mnt/tmp/ umount /mnt/tmp mount /dev/hda4 /usr mount --bind / /mnt/tmp rm -fr /mnt/tmp/usr/* umount /mnt/tmp -- Neil Bothwick Due to inflation, all clouds will now be lined with zinc. pgpMfstaydkxJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Downloading packages from a txt file
El 24/ago/2005 a las 02:36 -0300, Nick me decía:
Seriously this time:
How about changing your strategy to this:
Get a list of the packages you want to update from the target machine.
something like:
emerge -uDp world|grep ebuild|awk '{print($4)}'packlist
take packlist to the connected machine and type:
for package in `cat packlist` ; do DISTDIR=/where/ever/i/want emerge
--nodeps -f =$package; done
The files will then be in /where/ever/i/want and you can put them on a
cd or whatever method you are using and take them away.
--nodeps will make sure that your connected host doesn't substitute its
own idea of what the deps are (perhaps based on different USE flags)
Could work, but i think he says he has debian in connected machine.
(hasn't?)
Anyway i would be great if 'emerge' has clean option like
'--print-uris' from apt-get so one could just use 'wget' or whatever
they find on connected machine. Other idea could be to have a script
that downloads the gentoo-way using what emerge print now, checking
mirrors, etc. Like a tiny version of emerge.
--
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ciaranm antialiasing?
ciaranm the alcohol does that for you
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Markus Döbele wrote: The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of work. By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and only encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this nice stuff is a big problem of this language!) Maybe a C Fan is reading this and likes to do it. I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!) But all this is too much effort. Purebasic has a very syntax and for a basic dialect a very good performance. Well, the code IS the problem. As you see, Nick Rout has already made an ebuild, but the code is a real problem. Lets deal with the most obvious problem with not being able to compile your sourcecode - Archs different than x86. PureBasic seems to be able to compile for Windows, AmigaOS, and Linux/x86. What about Linux/PPC (Linux on Apple) users? Theres quite a few of them. They can't run your game without an emulator... Yes, is pretty low-level, and you have to take care of your own memory... But coming from an assembler you should be used to this, right? Anyway, I can perfectly understand your aversion from C... The best languages to write a cross-platform application with are (I'm probably going to get flamed missing some, but anyway) C, C++, Java, Python, and Perl. Ruling out C (you don't like it), C++ (Too much like C, and we don't need OO anyway), Java (Too bloody slow), we are left with the interpreted languages, Python and Perl. I would suggest Python, as it has a very nice syntax and is quite easy to pick up. Its slower than asm/c, but it may be faster than you expect. Overall, I suggest using C and SDL, coupled with a good debugger (gdb is good, and I hear valgrind is bloody awesome for memory related issues), but if you decide you don't want it, Python is good too. Binary packages are fine, but generally considered to be evil. - -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDDGaVA7Qvptb0LKURAlHvAJ9tEFaTm0Rs2WVnriDRyevdLkoUYACeLIbi fCGHsmiBHmEeBAO5Dvk88kc= =aehh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gcc seg faults very often
I'll test the memory chip on another computer and see if it works... 2005/8/23, Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wednesday 24 August 2005 02:16, Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales wrote: Yes, I found a kernel patch that does that. It allocates all the bad memory sectors in kernel space permanetely, so they can't be used. But, I found it too late. The memory is so bad now that it doesn't even tries to boot. It just stops after detecting all IDE devices. Gonna have to buy new memory boards... when your ram becomes worse in some few days, there is a great chance, that not the ram, but the PSU is the culprit. When a PSU is becoming weak, it is not able to hold the voltages at sufficient levels - lockups and ram-errors are then common problems. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???
Hi, I'm using sendmail as my mail-server, and I noticed, that mail for users is stored in $HOME/.maildir, not in /var/spool/mail. And each mail is stored as separate file, not all in one file. WHY??? Some mail clients does not look for new mail in $HOME/.maildir with default settings (for example elm, only with -f). Moreover, I expected that all mail will be in /var/spool/mail, so I created /var relatively big and now I see that it is almost empty. Even my pop3 server does not look for new mail in $HOME/.maildir, so no user can download his mail throught pop3... How can I force my mailserver to use /var/spool/mail? Jarry -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] font problems after following instructions in gentoo wiki
Summary: After following the instructions in the Xorg and fonts wiki the default firefox font is awful (the combination at especially). Workaround is simple; should I file a bug or have I erred? Details: I followed basically all the instructions in the Xorg and fonts gentoo wiki (my files are given below) including those for firefox (I don't use thunderbird). The default serif font settings for firefox in the wiki are Bitstream Vera Serif at 16 pixels. With this default font and size many pages look awful. Specifically, the letter t seems to be too far left and for sure the combination at is partially superimposed. For example, viewing http://cs.nyu.edu/~gottlieb with this font and size is bad. If I change the size to 15 or 17 or change the font to say century schoolbook L (with size 16), the problem disappears. Have I messed up the settings or should I fill a bug? If the latter, where is the appropriate bug site for this? thanks, allan /etc/fonts/local.conf ?xml version=1.0? !DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM fonts.dtd !-- /etc/fonts/local.conf file for local customizations -- !-- AJG: Changes by allan following the gentoo wiki -- fontconfig !-- Enable sub-pixel rendering -- match target=font test qual=all name=rgba constunknown/const /test edit name=rgba mode=assignconstrgb/const/edit /match !-- Use the Autohinter -- match target=font edit name=autohint mode=assignbooltrue/bool/edit /match !-- Disable Autohinting for bold fonts -- match target=font test name=weight compare=more constmedium/const /test edit name=autohint mode=assignboolfalse/bool/edit /match !-- Exclude/Include a range of fonts for Anti Aliasing -- !-- See wiki for what this is and why it is commented out -- !-- match target=font test qual=any name=size compare=more double9/double /test test qual=any name=size compare=less double14/double /test edit name=antialias mode=assign booltrue/bool /edit /match -- !-- Use this if you have some fonts in a nonstandard directory -- !-- dir/home/david/extrafonts/dir -- /fontconfig !-- Local Variables: -- !-- mode: sgml -- !-- End: -- /etc/X11/xorg.conf [snip] # DisplaySize (in mm) important for fonts (so says gentoo font wiki) DisplaySize 409 307 [snip] # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (which are concatenated together), # as well as specifying multiple comma-separated entries in one FontPath # command (or a combination of both methods) # For XFS, uncomment this and comment the others # FontPath unix/:-1 FontPath/usr/share/fonts/misc:unscaled FontPath/usr/share/fonts/Type1 FontPath/usr/share/fonts/TTF FontPath/usr/share/fonts/corefonts FontPath/usr/share/fonts/freefont FontPath/usr/share/fonts/sharefonts FontPath/usr/share/fonts/terminus FontPath/usr/share/fonts/ttf-bitstream-vera FontPath/usr/share/fonts/unifont FontPath/usr/share/fonts/75dpi:unscaled FontPath/usr/share/fonts/100dpi:unscaled FontPath/usr/share/fonts/artwiz FontPath/usr/share/fonts/CID/ FontPath/usr/share/fonts/Speedo/ FontPath/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/ FontPath/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/ FontPath/usr/share/fonts/cyrillic FontPath/usr/share/fonts/ukr FontPath/usr/share/fonts/local/ # ModulePath can be used to set a search path for the X server modules. # The default path is shown here. #ModulePath /usr/X11R6/lib/modules EndSection # ** # Module section -- this is an optional section which is used to specify # which run-time loadable modules to load when the X server starts up. # ** Section Module Loaddbe # Load the glx module we obtained from nvidia Loadglx # This loads the miscellaneous extensions module, and disables # initialisation of the XFree86-DGA extension within that module. SubSection extmod EndSubSection Loadtype1 Loadfreetype # Load the synaptics driver from synaptics ebuild. Loadsynaptics EndSection ~/.fonts.conf No such file # Mozilla User Preferences /* Do not edit this file. * * If you make changes to this file while the browser is running, * the changes will be overwritten when the browser exits. * * To make a manual change to preferences, you can visit the URL about:config * For more information, see http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html#prefs */ [snip]
[gentoo-user] Problems emerging gcompris
I recently emerged gcompris to see if my Kindergarten son could benefit from some decent Linux apps, but I cannot get it to work. I saw no complaints during the emerge, such as configure errors, but it just goes nowhere. When run I get this: ** Message: gcompris_set_locale '' ** (gcompris:27603): WARNING **: Requested locale '' got 'C' Opened audio at 44100 Hz 16 bit stereo, 2048 bytes audio buffer Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed) I really don't know what this means, and a google search returned nothing relevant. Any ideas or help is greatly appreciated. Patrick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Strange udev Error on boot
Ryan, Looks like you're using Network Block Devices? Did you mean to do this? If you did, then perhaps the machines which host the nbds are not ready? I don't know much about nbd, just the name really, but that would be my best guess. -- 8^) Laterz- ~Alvin http://CoolAJ86.Havenite.net --- Sometimes you lose, most times I win, eh... you lose. Trademarked All rights reversed - SlickC92 CoolAJ86 begin:vcard fn:Alvin A ONeal Jr n:ONeal;Alvin adr;dom:;;34 Fletcher Lane;Shelburne;VT;05482 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:1.802.877.2938 tel;home:1.802.985.5277 tel;cell:1.802.578.0599 note;quoted-printable:DoB: 19860616=0D=0A= x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://coolaj86.havenite.net version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???
Jarry wrote: I'm using sendmail as my mail-server, and I noticed, that mail for users is stored in $HOME/.maildir, not in /var/spool/mail. And each mail is stored as separate file, not all in one file. WHY??? It's called the maildir mail storage format. I find it very useful, especially with big mailboxes... Some mail clients does not look for new mail in $HOME/.maildir with default settings (for example elm, only with -f). Your mailreader must support maildir to read mails from it, of course. But yours seems to do it (with -f), so that's not really a problem, is it? Moreover, I expected that all mail will be in /var/spool/mail, so I created /var relatively big and now I see that it is almost empty. Well, normally your /home isn't that small, so that shouldn't be a problem too... Even my pop3 server does not look for new mail in $HOME/.maildir, so no user can download his mail throught pop3... Again, use a pop3 server which supports maildir, and everything is fine. How can I force my mailserver to use /var/spool/mail? You could add mbox to your useflags and emerge sendmail. If you *really* want to use mbox... Christoph -- echo mailto: NOSPAM !#$.'*'|sed 's. ..'|tr * !#:2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and you cant change the settings. Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package description try `emerge -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of information as well as a short description of the package. I have never seen a long description such as those used to build Debian packages anywhere in portage and don't really think it would be useful anyhow. So try emerge -s and if you need more info go to the packae's website. That would be my advice. Oh, and emerge -s works off the metadata so you dint need an Internet connection. -Mike. On 8/24/05, Fernando Canizo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El 24/ago/2005 a las 04:01 -0300, Jonas me decía: Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a solution not involving the Internet... =) If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet connection when he wants to view this information throught the emerge interface, then you're wrong. When you want to install or you're just searching for a package you're using the emerge interface , when you need more info you have to 1) open your browser 2) type in the url (if you're lucky you know the url or it's in your browsers cache) 3) search for the package on the website , while instead you could just do something like emerge --desc package. Now what's quicker and makes more sence ?Exactly! That's what i'm refering to. It's not an issues of connection it's anissue of lazyness! It's like: -- hey what are you doing this weekend? -- don't know, it's cold and raining, i think i'm gonna sit in my throne and check what'snew on 'app-vim' to improve my vimyness, if find something interesting i'llcheck the package webpage.For now i'm using 'questo': === script #!/bin/bash# lun may2 20:57:24 ART 2005# conan - GPLed## script to check for apps on rainy sunday morningBASE_DIR=/usr/portage/[ $# -ne 1 ] echo Uso: questo category exit 0 cd $BASE_DIR$1for package in * ; doeix ^$paquete\$echo Looking for: $1/$paquete. ENTER to continue...readdone=== end script Now i took sugestion from Ciaran to look in metadata.xml, i check a couple byhand and see the 'longdesc' field but... with short descriptions! Now maybe ijust choose two with bad luck, but i got a feeling that gentoo maintainersdoesn't like to provide longdesc, although there is the posibility. I was thinking of doing a little script that gives longdesc found in metadata toconfirm this, but since i don't know nothing about xml, think it gonna take alittle bit more that if there were already an application to check ' metadata.xml'fields. 'emerge', 'equery' and 'eix' wich are the administration tools i useeveryday don't say nothing about this, i think all of them use de descriptionfield in ebuilds. I wonder if somebody knows another app to do this? If not, the idea of the script is more less this:lslongdesc package|category|allwhere:- 'package' gives longdesc of package- 'category' gives longdesc of all packages in category- and 'all' gives them all flooding your screen with info you never gonna eat... but that is there.It's so simple that i'm sure there must be an app (or compound of them) thatalready do this.--Fernando Canizo - http://www.lugmen.org.ar/~conan/ Olmstead's Law:After all is said and done, a hell of a lot more is said than done.--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Michael E. CruteSoftware DeveloperSoftGroup Development CorporationLinux, because reboots are for installing hardware.In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On 8/24/05, Michael Crute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and you cant change the settings. S**t, look at this. I'm using gmail and not top posting. Just how stupid are you that you can't move the cursor to the bottom of the message? Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package description try `emerge -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of information as well as a short description of the package. I have never seen a long description such as those used to build Debian packages anywhere in portage and don't really think it would be useful anyhow. So try emerge -s and if you need more info go to the packae's website. That would be my advice. Oh, and emerge -s works off the metadata so you dint need an Internet connection. How completely pointless. The OP knows about emerge -s and he knows he can look at the package's website. Even worse, you're wrong. emerge -s doesn't look in metadata.xml, it gets the information from the ebuild. Dave -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strange udev Error on boot
Yeah *blush* in a moments stupidity it would seem that I had compiled it into the kernel. As for suspecting it was udev well that was a wild guess as well as seeing the dev part and the errors occuring after it was started hehe. Anyway I have recompiled the kernel with it removed and its all sorted now. Anyway not my proudest moment. Thanks Alvin On 8/24/05, Alvin A ONeal Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan, Looks like you're using Network Block Devices? Did you mean to do this? If you did, then perhaps the machines which host the nbds are not ready? I don't know much about nbd, just the name really, but that would be my best guess. -- 8^) Laterz- ~Alvin http://CoolAJ86.Havenite.net --- Sometimes you lose, most times I win, eh... you lose. Trademarked All rights reversed - SlickC92 CoolAJ86 -- When you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear demonic Voices... that's nothing - when you play it forward it installs Windows -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Jarry wrote: Personally I do not see any advantage of it over /var/spool/mail. On the other side, separate partitions for /var (with mail) and /home (with user files) let me define different quotas for mail and files. Well, at least I thought it, until I found out that mail is actually in /home too... There have been many discussions for years about how maildir is superior to mbox format... Im sure Google will help you find them. Not for me, but for my users. Now I have to go through each mailreader and find out how to force it reading mails from .maildir There is probably a global config file for most mailers. BTW, if some users do not have $HOME, where their .maildir will be??? Not all email systems use /var/mail or $HOME, qmail+vpopmail stores email for everyone under /home/vpopmail/domains for example. You could add mbox to your useflags and emerge sendmail. If you *really* want to use mbox... That seem to me to be much easier. First I will find some info about it, but if there is no substantial advantage in using maildirs instead of /var/sool/mail, I will switch to the old mail storage system... We had all sorts of performance problems with mbox format - it is not scaleable, bigger mboxes produce huge loads on the server. I should also mention that maildir is inherently safer over NFS than mbox. Its clear from your posting that you have yet to experience the problems that have caused a lot of server administrators to abandon mbox format. -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On 10:39 Wed 24 Aug , Michael Crute wrote: Hey buddy go troll on somebody else's thread. -Mike Seriously, just press the down key a few times before you start typing. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
You know bud, read some rules, be polite. If you have nothing good to say, say NOTHING!. Do you really THINK before replying? Have you added something to the question? Care more about WHAT people write than WHERE is it written, you'll be more happy. Comments like yours are good for old usenet users, and pointless today. On 8/24/05, David Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/24/05, Michael Crute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and you cant change the settings. S**t, look at this. I'm using gmail and not top posting. Just how stupid are you that you can't move the cursor to the bottom of the message? Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package description try `emerge -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of information as well as a short description of the package. I have never seen a long description such as those used to build Debian packages anywhere in portage and don't really think it would be useful anyhow. So try emerge -s and if you need more info go to the packae's website. That would be my advice. Oh, and emerge -s works off the metadata so you dint need an Internet connection. How completely pointless. The OP knows about emerge -s and he knows he can look at the package's website. Even worse, you're wrong. emerge -s doesn't look in metadata.xml, it gets the information from the ebuild. Dave To the point, I never really had to read long descs provided at the website to have a good glance on what the program is, the fact that the desc showed in emerge -s is short doesn't make it less clear, in fact, it has all that matters. People searching with emerge usually KNOW what they're looking for. On the other hand, it wouldn't hurt to have a long description of the app somewhere available offline (like the universal CD, for example). I'm pretty sure they can use the same system of the website to provide this offline (but is it worth the trouble?). -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
Fernando Canizo wrote: El 24/ago/2005 a las 04:01 -0300, Jonas me decía: Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a solution not involving the Internet... =) If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet connection when he wants to view this information throught the emerge interface, then you're wrong. When you want to install or you're just searching for a package you're using the emerge interface , when you need more info you have to 1) open your browser 2) type in the url (if you're lucky you know the url or it's in your browsers cache) 3) search for the package on the website , while instead you could just do something like emerge --desc package. Now what's quicker and makes more sence ? Exactly! That's what i'm refering to. It's not an issues of connection it's an issue of lazyness! It's like: -- hey what are you doing this weekend? -- don't know, it's cold and raining, i think i'm gonna sit in my throne and check what's new on 'app-vim' to improve my vimyness, if find something interesting i'll check the package webpage. What kind of a computer user are you ? Really what a stupid remark , kinda foolish to say it's a bad idea to implement this feature just because there are other slower less direct methods for accomplishing a task ! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
Michael Crute wrote: First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and you cant change the settings. Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package description try `emerge -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of information as well as a short description of the package. I have never seen a long description such as those used to build Debian packages anywhere in portage and don't really think it would be useful anyhow. So try emerge -s and if you need more info go to the packae's website. That would be my advice. Oh, and emerge -s works off the metadata so you dint need an Internet connection. Please stay on topic , that's for all of you ! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] /dev read,write problem
When I startup my system I need to loing as root and run chmod a+rw /dev/* else I have problems login in or starting multiple shells I'm using udev anyone got any idea what could cause the problem ? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] very OT (was: why gentoo doesn't have long description?)
Daniel da Veiga wrote: You know bud, read some rules, be polite. If you have nothing good to say, say NOTHING!. Do you really THINK before replying? Have you added something to the question? Care more about WHAT people write than WHERE is it written, you'll be more happy. Comments like yours are good for old usenet users, and pointless today. Please stop that. All of you. - You shall not top-post. - You shall not yell at people caught top-posting. - You shall not yell at people yelling at people caught top-posting. - ... If you don't want to receive mail from certain people, have a look at /usr/portage/mail-filter. But do not flood the list with rants about other users... Christoph -- echo mailto: NOSPAM !#$.'*'|sed 's. ..'|tr * !#:2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:28:08 +0200, Jarry wrote: It's called the maildir mail storage format. I find it very useful, Personally I do not see any advantage of it over /var/spool/mail. On the other side, separate partitions for /var (with mail) and /home (with user files) let me define different quotas for mail and files. Well, at least I thought it, until I found out that mail is actually in /home too... You can have maildir and still keep your mail in /var/spool/mail. In this case, each user has a directory in /var/spool/mail. Are you using procmail for delivery? If so, you need MAILDIR=/var/spool/mail DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/$LOGNAME/ at the top of /etc/procmailrc -- Neil Bothwick Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; Teach him to use the Net and he won't bother you for weeks. pgpyVJJXyoOMZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Evolution 2.2.3 Filtering Time (Too Long!)
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 09:06 +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote: 3. use a compound filter rather than separate ones (this assumes there is less overhead doing this - subjectively it does seem quicker) Thanks for the tips. The above one is the only one I don't really understand, can you elaborate a bit? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On 8/24/05, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:| You know bud, read some rules, be polite.There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, butnot by much.--Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron)Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.orgWeb : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranmoff_topic Right... guess this is my cue to shamefacedly tuck my tail between my legs and go have a nice tasty crow sandwich. Sorry guys, I will be more polite next time. /off_topic Also to clarify when I said metadata I was (mistakenly) talking about the metadata in the ebuilds. Again, my mistake. -Mike -- Michael E. CruteSoftware DeveloperSoftGroup Development CorporationLinux, because reboots are for installing hardware.In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Crute wrote: On 8/24/05, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know bud, read some rules, be polite. There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but not by much. off_topic Right... guess this is my cue to shamefacedly tuck my tail between my legs and go have a nice tasty crow sandwich. Sorry guys, I will be more polite next time. /off_topic Also to clarify when I said metadata I was (mistakenly) talking about the metadata in the ebuilds. Again, my mistake. Ah, how ironic... Of course any reply to that message _HAD_ to be an HTML email (and a screwy one at that, with really weird quoting...) - -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDDK+EA7Qvptb0LKURAt7XAJ4/cyJjmJbntB7GetIcJjaBk8ueJACggG8R e+UJU0SKphcCU6t6MkzJ9nA= =tnzR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Markus [utf-8] Döbele wrote: The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of work. By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and only encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this nice stuff is a big problem of this language!) You mean it requires understanding pointers and attention to detail? Yes it does. An assembly programmer should find C easy (well I did anyway). I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!) I started on the 6502, then 68000 then 8086... But all this is too much effort. Purebasic has a very syntax and for a basic dialect a very good performance. Shame BBC Basic isn't around anymore - it allowed you to mix assembler and BASIC (and that basic at the time was one of the few that allowed recursion ;-) -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] what must be writable by portage
Hello, I have a number of gentoo systems and have a central /usr/portage that's share by nfs. There are also binary packages that are shared and available for all. The nfs-exports are read-only If I set up a new machine and it only has read-only access from the be- ginning I have no problems. However recently a machine was added that was set up by itself and that one falls with read-only access on its face when I try to emerge something. Mostly in the fixpackages part. What do I need to reset to make this work more smoothly? Konstantin -- Dipl-Inf. Konstantin Agouros aka Elwood Blues. Internet: elwood@agouros.de Otkerstr. 28, 81547 Muenchen, Germany. Tel +49 89 69370185 Captain, this ship will not survive the forming of the cosmos. B'Elana Torres -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On 8/24/05, Matan Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-Hash: SHA1Michael Crute wrote: On 8/24/05, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know bud, read some rules, be polite. There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but not by much. off_topic Right... guess this is my cue to shamefacedly tuck my tail between my legs and go have a nice tasty crow sandwich. Sorry guys, I will be more polite next time. /off_topic Also to clarify when I said metadata I was (mistakenly) talking about the metadata in the ebuilds. Again, my mistake. Ah, how ironic... Of course any reply to that message _HAD_ to be an HTML email(and a screwy one at that, with really weird quoting...)- --[Name] ::[Matan I. Peled][Location] ::[Israel][Public Key] ::[0xD6F42CA5][Keyserver ] ::[keyserver.kjsl.com]encrypted/signedplain textpreferred-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux)iD8DBQFDDK+EA7Qvptb0LKURAt7XAJ4/cyJjmJbntB7GetIcJjaBk8ueJACggG8Re+UJU0SKphcCU6t6MkzJ9nA==tnzR-END PGP SIGNATURE--- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing listSigh... no indeed I did not use HTML with any kind of funky quoting. The message is encoded as multipart/alternative. There is a plain text section and an HTML section. Configure your email client properly to read whichever you want. It's the way Gmail does it, I use Gmail, I am not going to turn off all the features in Gmail to appease the gods that be on this list so just lay off or go yell at the dozens of other people that commit these heinous crimes every day on this list. For the love of Pete people stop hijacking threads to flame people. If you don't like what someone is doing tell them personally (or better yet ignore them), no need to reply to the list with your personal gripes. --=_Part_2740_31876174.1124903688568Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableContent-Disposition: inline -Mike-- Michael E. CruteSoftware DeveloperSoftGroup Development CorporationLinux, because reboots are for installing hardware.In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?
Re: [gentoo-user] what must be writable by portage
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Konstantinos Agouros wrote: I have a number of gentoo systems and have a central /usr/portage that's share by nfs. There are also binary packages that are shared and available for all. The nfs-exports are read-only If I set up a new machine and it only has read-only access from the be- ginning I have no problems. However recently a machine was added that was set up by itself and that one falls with read-only access on its face when I try to emerge something. Mostly in the fixpackages part. What do I need to reset to make this work more smoothly? Maybe the fact that the export is read-only? Im sure fixpackages will want to write to files under portage What do the errors say? -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] what must be writable by portage
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Konstantinos Agouros wrote: I have a number of gentoo systems and have a central /usr/portage that's share by nfs. There are also binary packages that are shared and available for all. The nfs-exports are read-only If I set up a new machine and it only has read-only access from the be- ginning I have no problems. However recently a machine was added that was set up by itself and that one falls with read-only access on its face when I try to emerge something. Mostly in the fixpackages part. What do I need to reset to make this work more smoothly? Maybe this will help: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Using_a_shared_portage_via_NFS -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] stage files
Can someone point me to a reference that explains how to make your own stage files? It seemed to me that the stage3 stage file was pretty much a bzipped tar file of an installed system. Is this correct, or is there more to it? I've got a working system that I now need to replicate exactly across 13 more. I was thinking just tar up the install and use it as a stage file in the normal install. Is this naive? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???
Neil Bothwick wrote: You can have maildir and still keep your mail in /var/spool/mail. In this case, each user has a directory in /var/spool/mail. Are you using procmail for delivery? If so, you need MAILDIR=/var/spool/mail DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/$LOGNAME/ at the top of /etc/procmailrc Hm, that sounds interesting. I really want to have mails on a separate partition. Thanks for the tip, I will have a look at it... Jarry -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] stage files
On 8/24/05, John Jolet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone point me to a reference that explains how to make yourown stage files?It seemed to me that the stage3 stage file waspretty much a bzipped tar file of an installed system.Is thiscorrect, or is there more to it?I've got a working system that I now need to replicate exactly across 13 more.I was thinking justtar up the install and use it as a stage file in the normal install.Is this naive?--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing listI think what you want is partimage (http://www.partimage.org/). -Mike-- Michael E. CruteSoftware DeveloperSoftGroup Development CorporationLinux, because reboots are for installing hardware.In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?
Re: [gentoo-user] stage files
My apologies...on second look, this is very close to what I'm looking for, at least for the short term. On Wednesday 24 August 2005 13:57, Michael Crute wrote: On 8/24/05, John Jolet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone point me to a reference that explains how to make your own stage files? It seemed to me that the stage3 stage file was pretty much a bzipped tar file of an installed system. Is this correct, or is there more to it? I've got a working system that I now need to replicate exactly across 13 more. I was thinking just tar up the install and use it as a stage file in the normal install. Is this naive? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list I think what you want is partimage (http://www.partimage.org/). -Mike -- John Jolet Your On-Demand IT Department 512-762-0729 www.jolet.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
On 24 August 2005 18:34, A. Khattri wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Markus [utf-8] Döbele wrote: The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of work. By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and only encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this nice stuff is a big problem of this language!) You mean it requires understanding pointers and attention to detail? Yes it does. An assembly programmer should find C easy (well I did anyway). I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!) I started on the 6502, then 68000 then 8086... Donning my asbestos suit. Cannot resist the flamebait any more. I did assembler for 6502, Z80, 8085,... I am talking about real-world, commercial software with several MB of assembler source. Like software for driverless vehicles buzzing around in real plants among real workers. That said, once man made fire by twisting a little twig between hands while pressing it to some other wood. I prefer matches or a lighter. Even when in the bush, I prefer some fire starters I can buy. Man (actually Woman in most cases) once carried water in calabashes on their heads for miles on end. I prefer pumps and pipes and taps. Programmers once punched their code and their data into punchcards, handed them in to the data centre and hoped all would go well. I prefer editors, IDEs, compilers and linkers. ;-) Folks, we have got computing power on our desks that equals that of a medium sized data centre 10 years ago. Of course, I want the bloody computer and its tools to do all the sidetracking little tasks and concentrate myself on algorithms and data structures and user interfaces. If I could find enough buddies and peers I would do most of my stuff in languages like smalltalk that take care of freeing memory, collecting garbage and such. Again: That said, I still use C/C++ for most of my stuff. In short: Don't scuff someone who tries to avoid the pitfalls of C/C++ by using a language that does all those little things for them. Sure, I wouldn't use any dialect of basic but that is another issue. Uwe (hiding behind his desk) -- 95% of all programmers rate themselves among the top 5% of all software developers. - Linus Torvalds http://www.uwix.iway.na (last updated: 20.06.2004) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] stage files
On 8/24/05, John Jolet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw that and it's on my list of things to try, but I need to have this upand running by saturday.That seemed like a great thing, but maybe lesssimple than just tarring up the package.I definately think something like that going forward would be perfect, but is there a simpler short-termsolution?I'll go down the partimage path as well right now, though.On Wednesday 24 August 2005 13:57, Michael Crute wrote: On 8/24/05, John Jolet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone point me to a reference that explains how to make your own stage files? It seemed to me that the stage3 stage file was pretty much a bzipped tar file of an installed system. Is this correct, or is there more to it? I've got a working system that I now need to replicate exactly across 13 more. I was thinking just tar up the install and use it as a stage file in the normal install. Is this naive? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list I think what you want is partimage (http://www.partimage.org/). -Mike--John JoletYour On-Demand IT Department512-762-0729 www.jolet.net[EMAIL PROTECTED]--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing listI don't see why you wouldn't be able to `tar -cjvf --preserve-permissions --recursion mystage.tbz2 /`. Test it out with one machine first but I think that should create your stage you will still have to install GRUB or LILO though, everything else should be the same. Also make sure you use -xvjpf when you extract it so it retains the file permissions. Let me know if this works as I am in need of the same type of system. -Mike-- Michael E. CruteSoftware DeveloperSoftGroup Development CorporationLinux, because reboots are for installing hardware.In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?
[gentoo-user] migrating to gcc-3.4.4
I've decided to migrate to gcc-3.4.4, so I've emerged it, and switch the system to use it instead the previous (gcc-3.3.5-20050130). After that I am supposed to update my system packages, so when I run # emerge -va system I get: [ebuild N ] sys-devel/patch-2.5.9 -build -static 197 kB [ebuild N ] app-arch/bzip2-1.0.3-r5 -build -static 0 kB [ebuild N ] app-arch/cpio-2.6-r4 +nls 0 kB [ebuild N ] sys-apps/texinfo-4.8 -build +nls -static 0 kB [ebuild N ] dev-lang/tcl-8.4.9 -threads 0 kB [ebuild N ] sys-devel/gnuconfig-20050324 0 kB [ebuild N ] sys-libs/readline-5.0-r2 0 kB (...) All with N!! I understand that this is not a update.. will the old packages be overwritten? It doesn't make sense to think that I'll have duplicate apps... but just for being sure.. :) In the middle of that list are: [ebuild N ] sys-devel/gcc-3.4.4 [ebuild N ] sys-devel/gcc-3.3.6 This will compile anew gcc-3.4.4, but this time using the new compiler. That's the point, right? The old gcc version is still there.. I haven't unmerge it yet, cause I first want to check if all goes fine.. So, should I go ahead..? Thanks, Fernando
[gentoo-user] Re: why gentoo doesn't have long description?
* Fernando Canizo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [24/08/05 14:07]:
El 24/ago/2005 a las 04:01 -0300, Jonas me decía:
Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a
solution not involving the Internet... =)
If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet
connection when he wants to view this information throught the emerge
interface, then you're wrong. When you want to install or you're just
searching for a package you're using the emerge interface , when you
need more info you have to 1) open your browser 2) type in the url (if
you're lucky you know the url or it's in your browsers cache) 3) search
for the package on the website , while instead you could just do
something like emerge --desc package. Now what's quicker and makes more
sence ?
Exactly! That's what i'm refering to. It's not an issues of connection it's an
issue of lazyness! It's like: -- hey what are you doing this weekend? --
don't
know, it's cold and raining, i think i'm gonna sit in my throne and check
what's
new on 'app-vim' to improve my vimyness, if find something interesting i'll
check the package webpage.
For now i'm using 'questo':
=== script
#!/bin/bash
# lun may 2 20:57:24 ART 2005
# conan - GPLed
#
# script to check for apps on rainy sunday morning
BASE_DIR=/usr/portage/
[ $# -ne 1 ] echo Uso: questo category exit 0
cd $BASE_DIR$1
for package in * ; do
eix ^$paquete\$
echo Looking for: $1/$paquete. ENTER to continue...
read
done
=== end script
Now i took sugestion from Ciaran to look in metadata.xml, i check a couple by
hand and see the 'longdesc' field but... with short descriptions! Now maybe i
just choose two with bad luck, but i got a feeling that gentoo maintainers
doesn't like to provide longdesc, although there is the posibility.
I was thinking of doing a little script that gives longdesc found in metadata
to
confirm this, but since i don't know nothing about xml, think it gonna take a
little bit more that if there were already an application to check
'metadata.xml'
If you have the XML::Simple perl module (which can be emerged as
XML-Simple), you can do
perl -MXML::Simple -le 'print XMLin(shift)-{longdescription}' file
where file is the metadata.xml file.
However, it appears that this field is not widely supported. Instead,
you might use something like
lynx -dump -nolist `esearch -o %h package`
to dump the homepage of the package as text (of course, you still need
to be online for that)
Moshe
PS. Sorry if this actually seems on-topic :)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Flash MX 2004
Michael Crute wrote: Yes Flash 5 and I believe that even MX works anything before they started adding activation. Though I believe this is not without its flaws (i.e. I have heard the color chooser crashes the program) in either case it definately works. I ran DW MX under Wine for the longest time without any major issues. Cool! Im getting an install isue though, I mount the cdrom, then use wine setup.exe But I get an error... Something about ikernel not being located, I believe. Thanks! Ian -Mike On 8/23/05, *Ian K* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Crute wrote: Nobody has yet to get any of Studio MX 2004 working under Wine. The issue (so I have been told) is the activation system doesn't play real nice with Wine. Perhaps if you are skilled in the black art of cracking you could hack out the activation routines and make it work? (Note: for personal use only please, I don't advocate software piracy) Ah. Well no, I dont like illegal software. Um, I have Flash 5, does that work under Wine? Thanks! Ian -Mike On 8/23/05, *Ian K* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, Has anyone been able to get the trial working under Wine? Also, because I would use it under Wine, would it be easy to uninstall the trial and re install it after 30 days? :) Ian -- Michael E. Crute Software Developer SoftGroup Development Corporation Linux, because reboots are for installing hardware. In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? -- Michael E. Crute Software Developer SoftGroup Development Corporation Linux, because reboots are for installing hardware. In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? begin:vcard fn:Ian K n:K;Ian email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] note;quoted-printable:Pentium 3=0D=0A= 500mHz=0D=0A= 256MB RAM=0D=0A= 80.0GB HDD=0D=0A= ATI Radeon 7000 Evil Wizard 64MB=0D=0A= Computer name: PentaQuad=0D=0A= x-mozilla-html:TRUE version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | You know bud, read some rules, be polite. There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but not by much. It's too bad that even *gmail*, the paragon of geek email, encourages top posting. :( And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change that. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Flash MX 2004
HI, I'm not bringing help, sorry. Just started using wine few days ago and I was wondering of what to do when an app doesn't work.. I read on the user guide that WINEDEBUG=+loaddll would tell me what dlls are missing.. though I never got any reply from that option. Does it go to any log file or something like that? Anyway, the main question is, when something doesn't work à lá windoz (nextnextit's ready) what can we do? How can we work around that for getting it to work? For example: although I haven't tried yet, Dreamweaver MX would be one app that I would be interested on... It is just wine setup.exe? Thanks. FernandoOn 8/24/05, Ian K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Crute wrote: Yes Flash 5 and I believe that even MX works anything before they started adding activation. Though I believe this is not without its flaws (i.e. I have heard the color chooser crashes the program) in either case it definately works. I ran DW MX under Wine for the longest time without any major issues.Cool! Im getting an install isue though, I mount the cdrom, then usewine setup.exe But I get an error... Something about ikernel not being located, I believe.Thanks!Ian -Mike On 8/23/05, *Ian K* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Crute wrote: Nobody has yet to get any of Studio MX 2004 working under Wine. The issue (so I have been told) is the activation system doesn't play real nice with Wine. Perhaps if you are skilled in the black art of cracking you could hack out the activation routines and make it work? (Note: for personal use only please, I don't advocate software piracy) Ah. Well no, I dont like illegal software. Um, I have Flash 5, does that work under Wine? Thanks! Ian -Mike On 8/23/05, *Ian K* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, Has anyone been able to get the trial working under Wine? Also, because I would use it under Wine, would it be easy to uninstall the trial and re install it after 30 days? :) Ian -- Michael E. Crute Software Developer SoftGroup Development Corporation Linux, because reboots are for installing hardware. In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? -- Michael E. Crute Software Developer SoftGroup Development Corporation Linux, because reboots are for installing hardware. In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth
Okay, I just uploaded the new release to sourceforge. Its version 1.0.2 As always 3 files: binaries as tar.gz, rpm and source as tar.gz. Don't forget to make the highscores.dat writable for the user. And yes, I have to rewrite the waffen (weapons) and zauber (spells) readme's to english. Will do this soon! Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 13:41 schrieb Nick Rout: Right Markus I have written an ebuild that installs the package and it works, although I am not sure if its how a pro would have done it. It downloads the compiled version 1.0.0 from sourceforge (can't test it on 1.0.1 or 1.0.2 until you put them on sourceforge.) Once you have done that, and I have tested it, I'll make it available for others to test. Basically it downloads the compiled tarball and installs the executable (laby) and the support files (sounds.pak, highscores.dat, graphics.pak) to /usr/lib/laby/ It puts a script into /usr/games/bin. The script simple cd's to /usr/lib/laby and them executes laby. (It seems to need to be executed from the same directory the support files are in, makes sense really) Comments on my chosen file locations would be appreciated. They are easy enough to change. It also installs the readme.txt to /usr/share/doc/laby-1.0.0 (this is a gentoo standard location for documentation). If people think I should it can also put readme_waffen.txt and readme_zauber.txt into the same place, but as I don't know german i am unsure if they are really helpful, or just take up space :-) On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 20:49 +1200, Nick Rout wrote: Markus, you just keep working on the program and make sure you upload it to sourceforge, I'll do the ebuilds :-) On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:06 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote: Okay, but this means to me that it makes no real difference if I upload it to 2 destinations all the time. I am living in Argentina and my internet connection here is very slow :-( When we have to write a special file (ebuild) anyway so I would suggest to rename the funny name the server is giving us. We just have to insert a variable which contains the actual version. Saves me a lot of time. And I want to concentrate my efforts on making laby better and not other stuff. There is still a lot to to. And I want to beat the Windows version as soon as possible! -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
Jonathan Nichols schreef:
And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change
that.
Oh, for Pete's sake, you can change that in your Preferences in 5 seconds.
Edit=Account Preferences= Compostion and Addressing=Check the box
that says If I respond, quote the original text automatically (or
uncheck it to solve the entire issue), and then use the dropdown menu to
change start my response above the quoted text to start my response
below the quoted text. I mean, the only reason it's the default is
because the word above is alphabetically above the word below so the
above option appears first in the list.
While you're in the prefs, you might want to uncheck Compose messages
in HTML format (on the same dialog) as well.
Defaults are just that; default selections that the user can change if
desired. They're not set in stone ('default' in this context implies
that other choices exist and are available, as opposed to hard-coding,
which can't be changed by the user, so are not 'default' settings but
'fixed' settings).
Sorry to go OT again, but I just couldn't let that pass.
Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
Jonathan Nichols wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | You know bud, read some rules, be polite. There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but not by much. It's too bad that even *gmail*, the paragon of geek email, encourages top posting. :( And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change that. As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form. I'm using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the top. With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post. -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On Wednesday 24 August 2005 23:14, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form. I'm using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the top. With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post. because, if you quote, then there is context. If you bottom-quote, I have to scroll down, read the quoted part, scroll up to read your message. Than, scroll down again, if something is hidden below your quoted block. You see how moronic that is? If you see a written question, do you write your aswer above? plus: the majority considers this as bad, that should be enough to quit it without making a fuss. Or you annoy the majority of potential helpfull users, even before they read your complete message. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form. I'm using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the top. With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post. Because we don't read from bottom up, we read from top down. For example, this comment by itself makes no sense (are we talking about how we read, etc.). The context of the previous post is needed to understand the context of the reply. Top posting means that you, as a reader, will need to scroll back and forth in order to understand what the context of the original post and the reply are. And things get even worse if you top post a reply that deals with part (but not all) of the original post; contextually it is sometimes difficult to determine which part of the original post the reply is intended for. This is why many of us will embed replies within the originally quoted text to ensure that the context of both the original post and the response are clear. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
A. Top posting! On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:14:08 -0500 Anthony E. Caudel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form. I'm | using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the | top. With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post. Q. What is the most annoying thing you can do on mailing lists? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgplG4zUpcn8w.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On Wednesday 24 August 2005 09:14 pm, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: Jonathan Nichols wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | You know bud, read some rules, be polite. There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but not by much. It's too bad that even *gmail*, the paragon of geek email, encourages top posting. :( And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change that. As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form. I'm using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the top. With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post. I with you, brother... For me, top posting keeps me from having to wade through the entire message to get to the new response of the OP. I think most linux nerds (me included) distain top posting because it's the default setting of some email app that runs on the windows OS Jerry -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 FSF Associate Member number 2340 since 05/20/2004 Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net Buy an Xbox for $149.00, run linux on it and Microsoft loses $150.00! 5:46pm up 37 days, 17:45, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On 21:45 Wed 24 Aug , Jerry McBride wrote: For me, top posting keeps me from having to wade through the entire message to Well that wouldn't be a problem if people only quoted the bits of the email that were relevant to their reply. Apparently trimming the other bits is beyond most people though *shrug* -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Downloading packages from a txt file
On Wed, August 24, 2005 11:14 pm, Fernando Canizo said:
El 24/ago/2005 a las 02:36 -0300, Nick me decía:
Seriously this time:
How about changing your strategy to this:
Get a list of the packages you want to update from the target machine.
something like:
emerge -uDp world|grep ebuild|awk '{print($4)}'packlist
take packlist to the connected machine and type:
for package in `cat packlist` ; do DISTDIR=/where/ever/i/want emerge
--nodeps -f =$package; done
The files will then be in /where/ever/i/want and you can put them on a
cd or whatever method you are using and take them away.
--nodeps will make sure that your connected host doesn't substitute its
own idea of what the deps are (perhaps based on different USE flags)
Could work, but i think he says he has debian in connected machine.
yes thats a bit of a barrier, although having debian doesn't stop him
installing portage AFAIK. A long time ago in a galaxy far away there was a
howto on installing portage on other distros.
(hasn't?)
Anyway i would be great if 'emerge' has clean option like
'--print-uris' from apt-get so one could just use 'wget' or whatever
they find on connected machine.
you mean like:
emerge -fp target 21|grep -v Calculating|grep -v '...done!'|sed -e 's/\
/\n/g'
The sed part transforms from a list all on one line with spaces separating
to a list one per line, ie:
url1 url2 url3
to
url1
url2
url3
Trouble is this gives a list with many alternatives for each url
(depending on the number of mirrors shown in the ebuild.
You then need a script to download each url ONLY if one of the earlier
url's for the same file hasn't worked.
Other idea could be to have a script
that downloads the gentoo-way using what emerge print now, checking
mirrors, etc. Like a tiny version of emerge.
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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
Holly Bostick wrote: Jonathan Nichols schreef: And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change that. Oh, for Pete's sake, you can change that in your Preferences in 5 seconds. Uuuh Holly, I'm quite aware of that. It's one of the very first things that I change. *Other users* are obviously *not* aware of it, and unfortunately, it's the default. Since many many many end users leave applications at their default settings, they top post. :P -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
For me, top posting keeps me from having to wade through the entire message to get to the new response of the OP. I think most linux nerds (me included) distain top posting because it's the default setting of some email app that runs on the windows OS It's also the default for Gmail and Thunderbird, as I mentioned before. Fortunately, Thunderbird lets you change it. Holly posted a nice little how-to as well.. ;) The biggest problem that I run into is more often than not, the top posting types leave the *entire email conversation* below their reply. They don't trim it. They end up causing *more* scrolling to get to the issue at hand. That's bad. I remember the days of netiquette. I guess I'm a grizzled old Usenet hippie. :| -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
Jerry McBride wrote: On Wednesday 24 August 2005 09:14 pm, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: Jonathan Nichols wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | You know bud, read some rules, be polite. There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but not by much. It's too bad that even *gmail*, the paragon of geek email, encourages top posting. :( And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change that. As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form. I'm using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the top. With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post. I with you, brother... For me, top posting keeps me from having to wade through the entire message to get to the new response of the OP. I think most linux nerds (me included) distain top posting because it's the default setting of some email app that runs on the windows OS Jerry Yes. However, I understand Hemmann and Nebinger's points. Makes sense in a way. But I don't usually start reading at the top. I usually will have already read previous comments and I just want to get to the latest. Too bad Thunderbird doesn't have a setting Start_Read_At_Bottom :-) Tony -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: migrating to gcc-3.4.4
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 08:30:11PM +, Fernando Meira wrote: Oh.. and by the way, how reliable is this prediction? (...) [ebuild N ] sys-apps/hdparm-5.9 [ebuild N ] sys-libs/pwdb-0.62 Estimated update time: 6 hours, 7 minutes. All system in 6h? It is something like 120 packages.. What's the speed of your box? I recently did an emerge --emptytree world on my 1.6G Pentium M laptop. It had 446 packages done in less than 29 hours (I say less than because if would run long stretches at a time and stop after failed downloads here and there because of wireless problems... for all I know it could have been sitting there waiting for me to fix my wireless router for a couple of hours or more). So if you have a comparably fast system, with not too many useflags enabled, I'd say that 120 packages in 6 hours is quite possible. W -- As a math atheist, I think I should be excused from this. --- Calvin, to Hobbes Sortir en Pantoufles: up 13 days, 2:38 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Downloading packages from a txt file
On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 09:55:32AM +1200, Nick Rout wrote: On Wed, August 24, 2005 11:14 pm, Fernando Canizo said: The sed part transforms from a list all on one line with spaces separating to a list one per line, ie: url1 url2 url3 to url1 url2 url3 Trouble is this gives a list with many alternatives for each url (depending on the number of mirrors shown in the ebuild. You then need a script to download each url ONLY if one of the earlier url's for the same file hasn't worked. I don't think you do... I think wget -c will only download if the size doesn't match. And if you trust your internet connection enough, you can use wget -nc, which only downloads if a file of the same name does not exist (but doesn't check for length/size). Though, seeing that the internet connection is on a separate machine, maybe the OP would like to have integrity checking while downloading (so he won't run into D'oh, the MD5 sum doesn't match problem). And with my poor skillz in programming, I'd rather install portage on Debian then to hack a replacement to download and check the md5 for the packages. W -- Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindboggingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God. The argument goes something like this: `I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.' `But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.' Sortir en Pantoufles: up 13 days, 2:42 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On 08/24/05 19:01, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: Yes. However, I understand Hemmann and Nebinger's points. Makes sense in a way. But I don't usually start reading at the top. I usually will have already read previous comments and I just want to get to the latest. Too bad Thunderbird doesn't have a setting Start_Read_At_Bottom :-) Tony You could use the QuoteCollapse extension: URL:http://quotecollapse.mozdev.org/ I think there also may be an extension that does just that, but I can't say I have a link to one. -- Replace the point in my email address with a period to reply. ;-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] /home becoming readonly every night
On 08/24/05 15:59, Nick Rout wrote: For somewhere between 3 days and a week I have been rising to find that /home has become readonly overnight. Basically I have to shut down X, manually kill all processes accessing /home and then run umount /home mount /home which fixes it until tomorrow morning. I also tried mount /home -o remount,rw but was told that /dev/hdb1 was readonly - but it has the same permissions as /dev/hda1. Any clues as to where to from here? I cannot even seem to isolate what time this is happening. Filesystem errors, maybe? That's why I was always getting read-only partitions... Run fsck on it. -- Replace the point in my email address with a period to reply. ;-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ebuild for Lost Labyrinth
I know I should upload this to bugs.gentoo.org, but as we are in the middle of a thread i thought I'd load it here for anyone interested to try (and to criticise) Please be gentle with me, this is my first ebuild. The ebuild is attached, as is the small startup script. The way it works and installs is detailed below (although the version is now 1.0.2 rather than 1.0.0) You need to have portage overlay enabled, and assuming your overlay is in /usr/local/portage, you need to make the following directories: /usr/local/portage/games-roguelike/laby/ and /usr/local/portage/games-roguelike/laby/files the ebuild file goes in the former, the file laby goes in the latter. You will need to: ebuild /usr/local/portage/games-roguelike/laby/laby-1.0.2.ebuild digest and then add laby your list of unstable builds: echo games-roguelike/laby ~x86 /etc/portage/package.keywords It _should_ then emerge fine. As long as you are in the games group you should be able to just run laby TODO: 1. tidy up ownership and permissions of installed files. 2. make the wrapper script stop artsd and restart it IF it was running in the first place. (alternatively run the program with artsdsp if arts is running? - thats probably a better option!) On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:42:16 +0200 Markus Döbele wrote: Okay, I just uploaded the new release to sourceforge. Its version 1.0.2 Right Markus I have written an ebuild that installs the package and it works, although I am not sure if its how a pro would have done it. It downloads the compiled version 1.0.0 from sourceforge (can't test it on 1.0.1 or 1.0.2 until you put them on sourceforge.) Once you have done that, and I have tested it, I'll make it available for others to test. Basically it downloads the compiled tarball and installs the executable (laby) and the support files (sounds.pak, highscores.dat, graphics.pak) to /usr/lib/laby/ It puts a script into /usr/games/bin. The script simple cd's to /usr/lib/laby and them executes laby. (It seems to need to be executed from the same directory the support files are in, makes sense really) Comments on my chosen file locations would be appreciated. They are easy enough to change. It also installs the readme.txt to /usr/share/doc/laby-1.0.0 (this is a gentoo standard location for documentation). If people think I should it can also put readme_waffen.txt and readme_zauber.txt into the same place, but as I don't know german i am unsure if they are really helpful, or just take up space :-) -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] laby Description: Binary data laby-1.0.2.ebuild Description: Binary data
Re: [gentoo-user] /home becoming readonly every night
On Thursday 25 August 2005 09:13, Matt Nordhoff wrote: On 08/24/05 15:59, Nick Rout wrote: For somewhere between 3 days and a week I have been rising to find that /home has become readonly overnight. Filesystem errors, maybe? That's why I was always getting read-only partitions... Run fsck on it. Also check dmesg. It should say exactly why the filesystem was made read-only. -- Jason Stubbs pgpC7yDfnCQPE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] CD burning with full filenames
Hello, does anyone know how to make an ISO and then burn it to a CD with the full filenames preserved? I tried specifying Joliet and Rock Ridge but the output from mkisofs looks like the filenames are being altered. AFAICR none of the available CD filesystems support the full range of Unix filenames. If this is for backup purposes you might be better off just making a tar file and burning that directly to CD - tar is designed for archiving, after all. The resulting CD will be readable by e.g. tar tvf /dev/cdrom. I ended up tar'ing it and it works fine. Thanks for everyone's help. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ati -- dreaded xf86-ENOMEM error
On 8/23/05, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Maxim, An AGP support issue probably. Which kernel are you using? I found that running with a 2.6.12 kernel gave me this error; downgrading to 2.6.11 fixed it. here's a relevant forum topic: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-353295-highlight-xf86enomem.html Seems that the problem might be resolved with latest ati-drivers* and latest gentoo-sources, YMMV, I haven't had the chance to play with it much lately. *I notice that ati-drivers-8.14.13-r2 has fglrx-8.14.13-alt-2.6.12-agp.patch added, might be apropos: http://gentoo-portage.com/media-video/ati-drivers/ChangeLog -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Root login, KDE-3.4
Just completed an emerge -uvD world on all my systems here. The update went extremely smooth, many thanks to the Gentoo developers and package maintainer. Now root is not permitted to login to KDE, which is just fine by me except for login into my lab-rat. My test machine is placed on the net only as a user and when I need to upgrade, the rest of the time it is not on the net. I use the lab-rat to test new hardware/software and its convenient to be logged in as root. How do I enable root login in kdm? TIA -- Ted Ozolins(VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
