Re: [Tagging] How to tag un-named roundabout?

2009-11-20 Thread Richard Mann
... Junction=roundabout isn't enough? Bye Giuliano Richard Mann ha scritto: I'd tend to agree that noname=yes is the wrong approach, but maybe there should be something like roundabout=yes, since that is positively useful information. Richard On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Pieren pier

Re: [Tagging] shared driveways (was How to tag un-named roundabout?)

2009-11-20 Thread Richard Mann
You maybe ain't going to like this, but the usual distinction in the UK is that residentials are (typically) 6m+ wide and have pavements/sidewalks, whereas service is for urban roads which don't have pavements/sidewalks. Richrd On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On

Re: [Tagging] tagging Greenways (was: Re: [OSM-talk] Good routing vs legal routing (was: Path vsfootwayvs cycleway vs...))

2009-12-03 Thread Richard Mann
These short-distance signposted routes can be tagged as lcn (local cycle network) relations. I'd prefer there to be a distinction between these (which I think of as leisure/tourist routes and would call tcn) and utility routes into a town centre, but there isn't a distinction at the moment (and

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-03 Thread Richard Mann
On public land you can usually push a bike and be treated as a pedestrian, but that's not always the case on private land (eg the University Parks in Oxford) - bicycles are banned altogether. So there is a distinction, but it can probably be achieved by using bicycle=no for situations where

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-04 Thread Richard Mann
The problem is when some people use spaces and some underscores. Tagwatch can't tell them apart. Richard On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: but one underscore is more than

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-07 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: you're suggesting how to tag that a path is commonly used by bicycles - there isn't a tag for that! I'm only about a year into trying to find a decent answer to this question (how to tag informal bike paths). I know

Re: [Tagging] More cycleway=* values needed

2009-12-09 Thread Richard Mann
at 9:59 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: While we're about it, there's a few other potential values for cycleway (for interest mainly): cycleway=buslane (shared with buses) Has potential. cycleway=filterlane (explicitly shared with nearside-turning traffic

Re: [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledgeof the law?

2009-12-14 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: highway=path for rough paths highway=footway for paved paths But how would you expect this to solve the current problem? Do you think it's just a matter of tweaking some wiki definitions? Also, with the above

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways (was Re: bicycle=no)

2010-01-05 Thread Richard Mann
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: Real cycleways with official signs are an obstacle to me that I need to avoid. I know German cyclists are fast, but treating cycleways like motorways is ridiculous :) But seriously, you have a point - usability by bikes should be on

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways (was Re: bicycle=no)

2010-01-05 Thread Richard Mann
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: My point is: There is an important difference between - a real, official cycleway (prohibited by law for others) - some way that looks like it was pretty much suitable for cycling About like the difference between - a road marked

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways (was Re: bicycle=no)

2010-01-05 Thread Richard Mann
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: highway=path+access=no+bicycle=designated for the former and highway=path+bicycle=yes for the latter. Each to their own, but I'd prefer: highway=cycleway+designation=official_cycleway (or whatever) (for those officially

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways (was Re: bicycle=no)

2010-01-08 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.comwrote: In bare bones basic, Steve, are you for or against using highway = cycleway for officially marked cycleways only? That's what I would like to

Re: [Tagging] A shop selling fish and seafood

2010-04-30 Thread Richard Mann
poissonerie, surely? On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote: Fishmonger has a slight advantage in that it translates into French as Poissionerie, German as Fischhändler, Italian as Pescivendolo, and so on.

Re: [Tagging] Cleaning up

2010-05-05 Thread Richard Mann
If the sidewalks are next to the road, and in Europe, you can probably rely on people assuming them by default (unless you advise otherwise). Clearly in other places, it may be necessary to tag them explicitly. Richard On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Tyler Gunn ty...@egunn.com wrote: On Wed,

Re: [Tagging] Cleaning up

2010-05-06 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Tyler Gunn ty...@egunn.com wrote: I think this is a HUGE improvement over what Google Maps shows: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.82372lon=-97.20104zoom=16layers=B000FTF Tyler Yup, the parking lots give you a real feel for the place. Richard

Re: [Tagging] differences on wiki about roles of relation route.

2010-06-08 Thread Richard Mann
the :number roles are obsolete (you should order the relation members instead - probably using JOSM) The English definition of the forward/backward roles is correct. If the relation is one-way, and the direction of the way is the same, then use forward. If the direction of the way is opposite,

Re: [Tagging] What classification for a connecting link?

2010-06-17 Thread Richard Mann
Nathan - there's some form of setting in your email account that means that every time you reply to a thread we see a new thread starting (dropping the Re: prefix, maybe?). This makes it very hard to follow the thread, as the emails get out of order. On the specific example, in the UK these would

Re: [Tagging] What classification for a connecting link?

2010-06-17 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: On the specific example, in the UK these would be tertiarys: an ordinary street that serves a through or within-city

Re: [Tagging] What classification for a connecting link?

2010-06-18 Thread Richard Mann
The first one is motorway_link, the second primary (because it's two-way), the third primary_link, the fourth could be just about anything from trunk to service. Mapnik makes a mess if a link intersects a service, but that's cos Mapnik renders a trunk_link under a service, which is wrong. The

Re: [Tagging] What classification for a connecting link?

2010-06-18 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: The simplest is probably to call the fourth a trunk with a note that there's a case for it being a trunk_link, but that trunk is more renderer-proof. That seems incorrect, and hence tagging (incorrectly) for the

Re: [Tagging] What classification for a connecting link?

2010-06-18 Thread Richard Mann
work. Richard On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:11 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/6/18 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com: The first one is motorway_link, the second primary (because it's two-way), the third primary_link, the fourth could be just about

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-27 Thread Richard Mann
If you say football in en-GB then you mean the game run by the Football Association in England, and by FIFA internationally. If you say Rugby, you mean whichever of the two codes is dominant in your part of the country / social circle (and probably Rugby Union by default). At least the ball's the

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-28 Thread Richard Mann
The only thing missing on the wiki, as far as I could see, was something sensible for American Football. It is not sensible to use football for American Football, since the most likely meaning if someone tags sport=football (in spite of the wiki advice not to) is that they mean Association

Re: [Tagging] football or soccer ?

2010-06-28 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:56 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 June 2010 19:34, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: football for American Football, since the most likely meaning if someone tags sport=football (in spite of the wiki advice

Re: [Tagging] Zone 30 (maxspeed)

2010-07-06 Thread Richard Mann
The fashion in the UK is now to impose 20mph speed limits on each and every street, rather than create zones with entries/exits. It amounts to much the same thing in the end, but it means that we simply put: maxspeed=20 mph+maxspeed:note=Oxford 20 mph zone (the whole city is a 20mph zone except

Re: [Tagging] Zone 30 (maxspeed)

2010-07-06 Thread Richard Mann
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:01 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/7/6 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com: maxspeed=20 mph+maxspeed:note=Oxford 20 mph zone I'd suggest to use source:maxspeed instead of note, as I think it is already widely used

Re: [Tagging] Greenery adjacent to roads

2010-07-13 Thread Richard Mann
There are 6695 landuse=grass in the UK. They're not turf farms. surface=grass is for highways On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote:  On 13/07/2010 07:37, char...@cferrero.net wrote: How might I go about tagging the often quite extensive green

Re: [Tagging] Greenery adjacent to roads

2010-07-13 Thread Richard Mann
2010 20:47, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: There are 6695 landuse=grass in the UK. They're not turf farms. surface=grass is for highways surface=* isn't just for highways any more... because landuse=grass is silly, as Jonathan pointed out, grass isn't a use

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-15 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Martin Simon grenzde...@gmail.com wrote: I think a combination of motorroad=* and grade_seperated=* would do grade_separated please (ie with an a in the middle) Richard ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] paved=yes/no

2010-07-15 Thread Richard Mann
Can't find it on the wiki - do you have a ref? Richard On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:30 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 July 2010 07:26, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: 1300 uses worldwide, against 1.9m for surface= So a wiki entry that says

Re: [Tagging] paved=yes/no

2010-07-19 Thread Richard Mann
I think surface started as a binary paved/unpaved for roads (with paved assumed by default, and paved meaning tarmac), and has got extended to cover cobbled roads, and (subsequently) as a way of adding more info for tracks/paths. So for most purposes, the principal distinction is between paved

Re: [Tagging] paved=yes/no

2010-07-19 Thread Richard Mann
I've updated the wiki page to try to explain it more clearly. I've included Martin's paved=yes flag (though personally, I'd probably just make it clear in the table that some values such as concrete should be treated as paved) Richard ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] paved=yes/no

2010-07-19 Thread Richard Mann
I don't think we're reaching any consensus that key:paved is an idea to be positively recommended, so I think it's probably best to record it in the wiki as some people do this. I think the wiki would also benefit from a few notes saying which values should be treated as paved (in the sense of

Re: [Tagging] covered definition in the wiki

2010-07-20 Thread Richard Mann
Layers don't work when there are area/way conflicts, because the norm for rendering is to draw areas first then ways on top. So you have to have a flag that says this way isn't really on top. We have a perfectly adequate flag for this function (tunnel=yes), but people objected to using that for

Re: [Tagging] covered definition in the wiki

2010-07-20 Thread Richard Mann
How would you like it rendered? Covered-as-in-a-shopping-mall is quite different to covered-as-in-protected-from-the-rain. The real problem is that it's scope is too broad. Richard On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:11 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/7/20 Richard Mann

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
Most vineyards have something similar, though not always so heavily marketed, so I think you need to find a term that's more international. Perhaps tourism=vineyard_shop or just shop=vineyard. Richard On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:15 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 July 2010

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
winery: no such word in en_gb, we just use vineyard for the whole operation (though of course we don't do these things on the same scale as Australia). Unless you're going to distinguish between shop=winery and shop=vineyard, I'd use the more generic term in the tagging system. Richard

Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
Most of these call themselves vineyards http://www.englishwineproducers.com/scvineyard.htm On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: can you provide a definition of this use of the word? ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: Good idea, or just a local fix? Richard Personally, I think the easiest to fix many issues would be to draw a specific polygon

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
Dave F (et al), Renderers draw roads (typically) by drawing a wide grey line on each segment, a grey circle at each node, then a narrower (say) white line on each segment, and a white circle at each node. All you see of the grey is a thin line on each side of the white line: this is the casing.

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:  Shouldn't the layer_change be on the common point, not a way? A way (usually) has two ends, so putting the tag on a way will not indicate at which end of the way the layer change takes place. But then it degenerates to

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:  On 26/07/2010 14:07, Richard Mann wrote:  If you draw the grey in the correct layer, then you get little semi-circular arcs of grey at the end of bridges (if they are layer=1). I've never noticed this in Mapnik

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-26 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: Yes, but human mapping time is a far more scarce resource then computer working time. So let the computer fix it. Preprocess! Computer working time is rarely the limiting resource (otherwise we'd all have been out of a job long

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-27 Thread Richard Mann
Pre-processing isn't really an option for Kosmos, Maperitive, MapCSS/Halcyon (and judging by the number of rendering tags it spawns) Osmarender. Rendering is not something that only the gods do, there are tools arriving that will make it a lot lot easier to render. When these people render, they

Re: [Tagging] Bridges and layers

2010-07-28 Thread Richard Mann
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:27 AM, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote: Someone mentioned http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Bridges_and_Tunnels up-thread, is there anything it doesn't cover? I've been using it for over a year, although I haven't mapped any

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

2010-07-29 Thread Richard Mann
Daniel cycleway=shoulder looks like a good idea for those countries that routinely have a wide shoulder on country roads (I've seen them in Ireland; they aren't common in the UK) on urban roads (maybe even rural roads with centre lines), you could do cycleway=tight/critical/spacious, following

Re: [Tagging] tagging bus stops served by more than one public transportation agency

2010-07-30 Thread Richard Mann
Ed - the proper way to do bus routes is using relations. The operator tag should be on the relation, and should only have one value. This is how we deal with geolocations being part of multiple geographical structures. If you want to add route_ref tags to the bus stops, then just make a single

Re: [Tagging] other landuse values?

2010-08-15 Thread Richard Mann
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Sebastian Klein basti...@googlemail.com wrote: from what I understand, landuse is to mark a larger area that has multiple I think it's useful to differentiate/subdivide areas where there are noticeable changes in landuse: don't be too enthusiastic about lumping

Re: [Tagging] tagging single trees

2010-09-08 Thread Richard Mann
Please: someone write a bot to add landmark=probably to every tree in Germany, and stop this debate. If it's a landmark, then it's worth adding a tag to say so. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Railway routes in different directions.

2010-09-23 Thread Richard Mann
The proper way to do it is to have separate relations in each direction, probably named for the origin and destination (ie not calling it the up Bristol and the down Bristol, but calling it the Bristol-London and London-Bristol service). Alternatively, put all the ways in one relation and put

Re: [Tagging] amenity=ice_cream: approved?

2010-09-27 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Fast food is simply a style of serving: you go up to the counter and order. It has nothing to do with the cuisine. The Italians probably don't like to think of ice-cream as fast food, because that has connotations of

Re: [Tagging] What exactly is a greenfield?

2010-10-05 Thread Richard Mann
A greenfield site is one that is currently a field, so it should be tagged as a field until it gets built on. Nothing should ever be tagged greenfield. A brownfield site is derelict land that was something once, but is now nothing in particular until someone does something with it. A brownfield

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Richard Mann
The search box is also a lot faster than opening MapFeatures. Indeed there'd be a case for abolishing MapFeatures (and just making MapFeatures a category). Richard On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:59 AM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote:  On 13/10/2010 09:30, Lennard wrote: And how

Re: [Tagging] Country names

2010-10-14 Thread Richard Mann
You can also test for the presence of name:de in name, rather than just equality, so that if name contains (say) French/German/Flemish components, then you use that rather than making your own name (name:de) combination. Richard On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Peter Körner

Re: [Tagging] Country names

2010-10-15 Thread Richard Mann
Copy what is done in Belgium. name = Rue Bouganville - Bouganville Street (ie removing the abbreviation) Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] shop=kiosk

2010-10-18 Thread Richard Mann
maybe: building=kiosk shop=newsagent and just leave it to local knowledge to know whether a newsagent typically sells sweets/tobacco/tickets The only one I'd have said was worth tagging individually was whether they sell bus tickets: bus_tickets=yes/no? Richard

Re: [Tagging] how to tag US townships?

2010-10-20 Thread Richard Mann
admin_level=8, as per http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Admin_level#10_admin_level_values_for_specific_countries place=suburb if it's a bit of a larger urban area place=town if it corresponds to a reasonably large standalone urban area place=village if it corresponds to a single small

Re: [Tagging] how to tag US townships?

2010-10-20 Thread Richard Mann
Townships are units of govt that are subdivisions of County, typically square, population and urban form varies (to save you the trouble of reading the wiki article he suggested you read if you don't know what they are). If the township contains a series of tiny places, but people do genuinely

Re: [Tagging] Difference between footway and pedestrian

2010-10-26 Thread Richard Mann
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org wrote: Thanks to both. My problem is this: I have a street in a city, in a pedestrian zone, but it is small enough to be unsuitable for cars. Near that, I have another one, just in the limits of the urban zone (maybe

Re: [Tagging] Busways

2010-11-15 Thread Richard Mann
I generally agree with this approach. When buses and bikes share a lane, I'd probably stick to cycleway=lane for the moment, or possibly cycleway=bus_lane. Richard On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:09 PM, esperanza espera...@no-log.org wrote: How to tag busways ? I added some cases in this wiki page

Re: [Tagging] Busways

2010-11-15 Thread Richard Mann
the trackbed I think are not service either, they are unclassified roads to which buses only have access - they aren't like a service road in an industrial estate or car park. David On 15/11/2010 09:41, Richard Mann wrote: I generally agree with this approach. When buses and bikes share

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Mann
HGV = Heavy Goods Vehicle. It seems to be broadly identical (give or take a couple of tons/tonnes) with a US truck so hgv=destination (or hgv=no) would seem to be correct Feel free to add a note on the wiki that hgv is en-gb for truck Or feel free to use truck=destination (or truck=no), and if

Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities

2010-12-11 Thread Richard Mann
self-storage would be the usual term in en-gb photo of one attached (not in OSM - yet) Richard On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Ed Hillsman ehills...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Is there a recommended way to tag self-storage facilities? The closest I've been able to find is the tag landuse=garages

Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities

2010-12-11 Thread Richard Mann
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Why landuse? It's generally going to be located inside a larger landuse area of commercial or industrial, and could be as small as a standard office building. There is some use of

Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities

2010-12-11 Thread Richard Mann
I'd take the view that amenity implies a degree of personal access, so I reckon amenity=storage is probably sufficient rather than risk unnecessary typos with underscores. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a loop on a bus route ?

2010-12-28 Thread Richard Mann
On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: In JOSM you can add a way to a relation multiple times. I'd be interested to see an example. Can you add nodes multiple times? Richard ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Mapping gentle slopes?

2011-01-04 Thread Richard Mann
The Brussels cycle map (unfortunately only available in a print version, as far as I can see) uses a coloured line on the right side of the road for notably uphill (pink) and severely uphill (red). It takes a bit of getting used to, but it conveys the information reasonably efficiently. Richard

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-05 Thread Richard Mann
I map both: 1) I add cycleway:left=track to the road 2) I add adjacent=yes to the highway=cycleway, so you know you can refer to tags on the road if you prefer Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-06 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: One situation that this would not cope with, that I see surprisingly often around here, is where there is both a lane *and* a track. cycleway=lane with a highway=cycleway alongside, or cycleway=track (and just treat the

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
The meaning and use of designated is confused and highly contested in OSM, so I'd avoid using it for any other purpose. I'd have said carpool ought to be a distinct value, not a key, if you've got exclusive parking. Something like: amenity=parking+access=carpool Richard On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Rodolphe Quiedeville rodol...@quiedeville.org wrote: The problem is the acess is NOT exclusive, and I want to choose the clearest key/value. It's easy to indicate what is exclusive but not so easy to explain what is 'designated too' without restriction. What

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
Ah - now I understand it a bit better - you mean a pick-up location. More a kind of bus stop for carpoolers. On that model I'd probably go for highway=carpool on a node. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Not really, since at least half the people arriving leave their cars there (assuming everyone drives there). So it's a parking lot that's designated for carpool use, but also available for general parking. I wonder if

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
,,1,4.23 This is a real cycleway track I think Please post your ultimate cycleway=track !!! -Robert- -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Richard Mann Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 3:56 PM To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-09 Thread Richard Mann
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 4:08 AM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Does this mean that, should someone else add the cycleway to the map at a later time, the cycleway=track tag should be removed from the motor-vehicle road? No. As I said earlier in this discussion, even when there are

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-09 Thread Richard Mann
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: It's not tagging for the renderers but close. And you may confuse routing applications. When I meet such (very seldom) double tagging, I always clean-up the most undetailled or obsolete version.

Re: [Tagging] Equivalence relation (was: Re: Differences in cycleways)

2011-01-11 Thread Richard Mann
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:  On 11/01/2011 12:20 AM, Richard Mann wrote: The user who'd prefer to use highway=cycleway ways doesn't know that the cycleway=track is a duplicate, but routers only have to give a slight preference for highway=cycleway

Re: [Tagging] Equivalence relation

2011-01-11 Thread Richard Mann
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Like the is_in, adjacent sounds horrible for spatial applications working with spacial database where all elements already have spatial coordinates. I agree for nodes and polygons. Ways next to other ways aren't so-easily capable

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread Richard Mann
24000 uses so far, so I guess it's time to put it to a vote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Designation Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread Richard Mann
You'all are welcome to: 1) Make another proposal 2) Vote yes or no to the proposal as it stands It's not appropriate to fine-tune the proposal during the voting stage - you either approve or oppose it as it stands. If there's an appropriate majority after 2 weeks, I'll move it to approved.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread Richard Mann
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:47:04 + Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: If there's an appropriate majority after 2 weeks, I'll move it to approved. Otherwise we'll just carry on waiting for a better idea

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-02 Thread Richard Mann
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Tordanik wrote: I'm still not quite sure whether I understand what designation=* is supposed to do. It's to record the legal status, or designation, of a given object - whether that object be a footpath, a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-03 Thread Richard Mann
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: On 03/02/2011 05:01 PM, Richard Mann wrote: I reckon the voting is running at about 24000  a handful for, and a handful against. Oh, come on.  If you’re going to count every element tagged with designation=* as a “vote

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-03 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Yes, I know rewriting a page at this stage isn't the Done Thing. So sue me. Wikifiddler, first class. ;) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] sidewalks and trails

2011-05-04 Thread Richard Mann
Relations between adjacent ways - yuk - proximity tests between near-parallel ways are computationally horrible. It isn't adequate to just say the two are related and hope the data consumer will sort out the mess. The cycleway key is applied to the road to say what the cycle facility is on that

Re: [Tagging] Requirements for proposals and voting to be valid

2011-05-11 Thread Richard Mann
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: The wiki should be a place to document the various parts of OSM, and for things like software it can be useful. For tags, however, it is getting steadily more and more complex and confusing and less and less beneficial. I

Re: [Tagging] Cutting on only one side?

2011-05-23 Thread Richard Mann
cutting:left=yes Rendering is, as ever, another matter. On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a way to tag a cutting that's only on one side of the feature? This appears to be an example:

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread Richard Mann
That'll be a very big boat On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:57 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/6/14 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com: It's Paul Johnson who introduced the tag, not Nathan. Your comment is right, but you should point it to Paul Johnson instead. yes,

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-16 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote... Well done Paul, for not rising to the bait. Can we keep discussions productive please. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Missing only_u_turn?

2011-06-22 Thread Richard Mann
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 June 2011 15:13, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I assumed he meant only U-turn and forward - ie no left or right turns.  I have seen that restriction once at a t-junction, where the side street can enter the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Kerb

2011-06-22 Thread Richard Mann
Urban normal in the UK is 100-120mm. Raised (at eg bus stops) is about 160-200mm On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: 2011-06-22 Josh Doe: I think we're definitely going for functional. The

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Kerb

2011-06-23 Thread Richard Mann
kerb=flush would mean that there is a kerbstone (with all the potential for localised puddling, misalignment, settling etc), whereas kerb=no would mean there's a continuous tarmac surface - the latter occurs either if someone is trying to make a very smooth transition between the road and a cycle

Re: [Tagging] Road center style

2011-07-15 Thread Richard Mann
I would be glad if it was revived. As we get ever more detailed imagery, people are starting to want to split roads in two at every intersection and it makes for a right mess: I'd prefer if there was a more elegant way of handling divided roads in towns. The routing stuff should be smothered -

Re: [Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-27 Thread Richard Mann
When I had a go at re-writing it, I tried to give some clarity on the boundaries with adjacent values (residential, tertiary, track) - without being too country-specific. I'm not sure that the deleted sentence is particularly helpful, so I'd leave it out on the keep-it-simple principle.

Re: [Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-27 Thread Richard Mann
...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/7/27 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com: When I had a go at re-writing it, I tried to give some clarity on the boundaries with adjacent values (residential, tertiary, track) - Yes, but on the other hand deleting the cited part changed the definition and made it more

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Kerb

2011-07-28 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:07 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.kohl-ratingen.de/images/kohl-markierung/z.299.jpg That's a dropped kerb, which is probably semantically equivalent to lowered. But dropped is the standard en-gb term.

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk tag when mapped as a separate way

2011-08-23 Thread Richard Mann
Put the sidewalk tag on the road, and put some indicator on the footway (I use adjacent=yes) that it's also covered by tagging on the adjacent way. The worst that happens is some router gets two parallel links in their network, or that some super-clever algorithm identifies two parallel sidewalks

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-12 Thread Richard Mann
I think you meant might be advised rather than need On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: If entrance=* is being used at all, you need to change your rendering to support it, whether or not existing building=entrances are being changed.

Re: [Tagging] Bus pullout?

2011-12-06 Thread Richard Mann
They are called bus bays in EN-GB. I'd probably add a suitable tag (bay=yes, maybe) to the highway=bus_stop node (and maybe to a node on the road on the lines of busway:right=bay or some such). But I haven't tagged any (might be something to do with the negative value I associate with them...)

Re: [Tagging] Bus pullout?

2011-12-07 Thread Richard Mann
at 09:11 +, Richard Mann wrote: But I haven't tagged any (might be something to do with the negative value I associate with them...) Curious what negative value this is? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http

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