Re: [talk-au] Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size

On 28/09/2023 11:18, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 28/9/23 08:21, cleary wrote: Windorah Qld and Ivanhoe NSW are both currently shown as "town" in OSM but neither has more than rudimentary health service (if any), a hotel, small primary school and service station. I couldn't buy a coffee in

Re: [talk-au] Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size

On 28/09/2023 10:19, Warin wrote: On 28/9/23 17:04, Michael Collinson wrote: TL;DR: We need to get a systematic measure of population density into OSM to act as a guideline for mapping software to vary what goes at what zoom level. Off topic: On a global scale that does not work due

Re: [talk-au] Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size

TL;DR: We need to get a systematic measure of population density into OSM to act as a guideline for mapping software to vary what goes at what zoom level. This can be done either by adding the appropriately calculated/derived density measure to admin boundary relations or, more radically, as

Re: [talk-ph] Proposal to move talk-ph to OSM Discourse

+1 from me. I am probably the list's biggest dinosaur - an old timer who just loves doing everything via email. But it looks as though I can still get my email (just PH-tagged??) and it is a chance to try something new. Mike On 2023-07-13 04:13, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Hello all, How do

Re: [talk-au] Mapping tracks from Strava heatmap

I use Strava heatmaps only as a "referential" source, i.e. seeing potentially missing or badly misaligned paths and then taking a walk that way. In addition to other comments about using them directly, I'd also wonder whether Strava copyright allows it but have not explicitly analysed. In

Re: [talk-au] Melbourne - Suburban Rail Loop - Too early to mark as under construction?

Being a grand cynic or at least just jaundiced,  'proposed' can be translated to "I'll be lucky to see this in my life time", so any actual work at all is a major, major change in significance so I'd go for 'under construction' in at least Graeme's example. Utility works also have an impact on

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of "Proprietary" imagery to edit OSM

and note that Bing imagery is provided to us on the same basis - for use in OSM but not otherwise. Mike On 2022-10-27 00:08, Clifford Snow wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 2:59 PM Mike Thompson wrote: Concerning this changeset: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128035436

Re: [talk-au] Cycle permissions by a user

I suggest a good consensus basically following the rest of the world would be: 1) If a path is clearly marked for use by bicycles then use bicycle=designated.  I.e.  "there ARE signs present to indicate bikes are expressily permitted". 2) If a path has no signage barring cycling and no

Re: [Talk-se] Upplandsleden Hiking trail wiki page + relation are MIA

Not answering the question but a couple of other useful resources for folks looking for relations: https://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/#routelist - show your broad are of interest on the map, then click "Routes" in bottom right. http://ra.osmsurround.org/index I use the second a lot when

Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA

Graeme, You are one with Steve Coast on seeing that as a major focus. Yes, use and of use.  Anecdotally, I have a peripheral connection with a small commercial app map/routing library and have hobby-business apps Android apps based on it. Yes, definitely of use particularly on longer roads

Re: [talk-au] Cycle tags on motorways

Purely as a question: Is there a case for actually mapping the whole cycleway separately as a cycleway? As a cyclist, I like to see what I have in store. Argument for: Well, that is what it is, a dual use cycleway and hard shoulder. And I guess main argument against: Ah, but it is not

Re: [talk-au] Industrial area or not?

I crafted the original wording for Map Features landuse tags and was careful to use the word "predominantly", so for me just 'industrial'. I think the answer is in your description wording 'produce stockfeed', i.e. there is a manufacturing process beyond just storing an agricultural product -

Re: [talk-au] Queensland railway stations

On 2022-04-18 13:08, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 9/4/22 10:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Thanks Richard, we'll check them out. Thanks Graeme Well that proved to be a very tedious job. After reviewing hundreds of these about 240 of them have been converted to "no longer a station". Which

Re: [talk-au] Funding for OpenStreetMap initiatives

On 2022-04-18 10:51, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 at 03:23, Edoardo Neerhut wrote: OpenStreetMap merch could be a good thing to fund yeah. Would business cards be helpful for people? Personally I have never had much trouble, although contributing to Mapillary has

Re: [talk-au] HighRouleur edits

As the original mapper of the cycleway in changeset 11862794 and having viewed Tony's photos [1] to refresh my memory, I concur with Tony's proposal that the way should be split in two. The western part being a parkland cycleway and therefore satisfying routing. But the eastern part, the

[talk-au] Any ID-edtor savvy mapper who could help with a Young Engineers Australia mapathon?

Hi all, Is there anyone who could help me co-host a Young Engineers Australia mapathon in the March-ish time-frame? I happy to do most of the talking about OpenStreetMap and HOT but I am most definitely not ID-editor savvy. The basic task would be to run through using ID for a specific

Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

Seems to have it in for Perth cyclists: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116655265#map=12/-32.0362/115.8349 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117224600 Not from Perth so can't judge correctness but it doesn't look right. On 2022-02-10 18:13, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:

Re: [talk-au] "Bad" directions on Outback roads

We have a reasonable if not perfect tagging system for a router to assess (and make assumptions) about the quality of a road for various types of vehicle in BEST CASE  conditions. motorway versus track, tracktype, asphalt versus gravel being the main ones. From a router point of view it would

Re: [talk-au] Tagging a house name

> If I go to Officeworks and get a sign printed with the name "Bob" and put it on my letterbox, does that become the name of my house? An interesting question which begs another question, what is an address? (warning: a bit of a philosophical ramble on a Friday night). My global analysis so

Re: [talk-au] Tagging Sydney bus stops

local_ref has been used it at least the UK and Sweden to tag the stand number. It doesn't (yet) render on the OSM map main layer but does on the transport layers.    /Mike https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:local_ref Swedish example:

Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?

It is safer putting in the street name. Nominatim fills in street from the street physically closest to the addr tag, which is not always correct. Sarah is aware and looking at measures to improve that - for example by looking at nearby street numbers for sequentiallity - but I doubt it could

Re: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address?

://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/category/gmane/ summary of the move Alex *From: *Michael Collinson *Date: *Monday, 31 January 2022 at 10:18 am *To: *talk-au@openstreetmap.org *Subject: *Re: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address? I just create lists so I have forwarded this to Tom Hughes in case he can help

Re: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address?

I just create lists so I have forwarded this to Tom Hughes in case he can help or elucidate.  /Mike On 31/1/22 10:24 am, Alex Sims wrote: HI Graeme, When you send an email to the list, it then sends a copy to subscribers which includes a mirror at gmane.org. For some reason the copy at

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking tracks/paths]

Ian, +1.  The AWTGS looks excellent as it works from an international perspective. I've also struggled with the SAC scale in the UK and Sweden, also both countries where the bulk of rural footpaths are barely "alpine" and also came to the conclusion that what matters is the type of people

Re: [talk-au] The ACT Place Names Advisory Committee has a sense of humour

Phew, Coombs must have been a ruthless place previously. ... Sorry. Mike On 2021-11-30 20:27, Andrew Davidson wrote: So we have a new park in Coombs that needs a name. A name based on the suburb's theme of notable public service:

Re: [talk-au] Suburbs: Nodes, Areas, or both?

Hi Dian, I have an interested in mapping what I call, for want of better terminology, fuzzy names or sense-of-place and comment in that specific regard. In summary: if the suburb has a defined boundary, use an area, if it doesn't use a node. I would certainly NOT however use both to

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

A bit late to the party on this one. But a couple of observations follow up Graeme's 2012-10-03 point about the myriad of "You can ride on a footpath if" exceptions and how to deal with them. 1) I suggest rigorously using and making synonymous footway=sidewalk [1] with what are clearly and

Re: [talk-au] Mapping tree cover

Picking just Adam's question about mapping after a fire. [I also very much support the idea that OSM ways should ideally have only one primary tag and so agree that natural and boundary does not go together.] I went through a similar self-dialogue where I am now in Sweden as to what to with

Re: [talk-au] Suspicious amount of removed bicycle tags

Just a thought and I hope not too imperialist sounding:  in UK England and Wales law, a distinction evolved between a "footway" and a "footpath", just possibly pre-1900 (unclear): https://pedestrianliberation.org/the-law-2/ "'footway' is the modern legal term for ‘that part of the highway set

Re: [talk-au] highway=service

I've added my comments below Andrew's. Hope that is not too messy. /Mike On 2021-08-14 03:59, Andrew Harvey wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 at 09:12, Tom Brennan > wrote: Like my previous post on sidewalks, this one is also from walking and cycling all of

Re: [talk-au] Mapping driveways under awnings.

Simon, Without knowing the nature of the challenge, I assume the apparent anomaly is a road apparently bulldozing through a building. Me, I'd either leave it as it is or to be squeaky clean (if I know from on-the-ground) I'd map the two sticky out bits as building=roof. I don't know if

Re: [talk-au] highway=track update

I don't map much in the US but do in Australia and Sweden. In both countries, I have rarely come across what I consider to be gravel roads, instead consider most unpaved roads and tracks to be 'dirt' or 'compacted': https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:surface%3Dcompacted Apropos the

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging bike ramp/ bike path down steps

FYI, here's the schema I personally use in Sweden, where heavy use is made of ramped staircases, though not thankfully on major cycle routes. My objective is to allow routers to intelligently route for both sport/club/large group riding and happy meandering or commute: bicycle=yes only on

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths on Wimbledon Common

Perhaps there should be a access/foot=open_access tag? Paths across open access areas aren't really "permissive". First, you usually have some rights to wander off the path/make your own. Second, there is (always?) some sort of regulatory/public right involved, it isn't just dependent on the

Re: [Talk-GB] The curious case of USRN 20602512

On 2020-07-11 07:47, Steve Doerr wrote: On 10/07/2020 11:27, Mark Goodge wrote: So, it seems that Fairfield [Road] isn't known to either OS or Google. It is shown (in abbreviated form) on streetmap.co.uk, but at that zoom level, in London, that's based on the Bartholomew A-Z maps rather than

Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN & USRN Tagging

Which makes it difficult to know or guess what the a tag relates to without research, especially if used wrongly or without consultation.  Tags should be self-descriptive to the extent possible. Sorry, parochialism just gets up my nose! :-) Definite thumbs up up to using an ISO country

Re: [talk-au] What do you prefer for Barmah-Millewa: swamp or wood?

Hi Ian, Summary: For me wood is physical tree-cover and wetland is the condition of the ground and they are complimentary rather than exclusive. In Sweden, I map both natural=wood and natural=wetland as separate polygons, with a common border or overlap as appropriate. There is is very easy

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

On 2020-01-07 18:27, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 6 Jan 2020, 16:35 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: On 6. Jan 2020, at 07:29, Maarten Deen wrote: Baltic Sea to be the "Baltic Sea" or for South America to be "South America" - this is an example of English

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

I suggest this is "referencing" and, while it does not mention the word, is covered in the Legal FAQ https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ#Can_I_use_OSM_data_and_OpenStreetMap-derived_maps_to_verify_my_own_data_without_triggering_share-alike.3F I think I originally

Re: [talk-au] Melbourne Missing Maps/OSM rep?

Hi Vitva, If you don't get any other volunteers, I'll be happy to come along and answer questions/talk ad hoc but not prepare a talk. I'm not familiar with Missing Maps but have previously served on the OSM Foundation board. Cheers, Mike Michael Collinson On 2019-11-08 13:13, Vilppola

Re: [talk-au] Residential Poolside Building

I usually mark all residential buildings, including the main house or strata building, as building=residential.  I feel it useful but safe. I usually map in Sweden where planning regulations encourage a plethora of out-buildings whose use is difficult to judge from imagery: garages, spare

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing the Tabang-AI initiative

I see that Maning has already replied, but I would like to emphasise that the Philippine OSM community is a very mature example of informal but cohesive collaborative work at a national and regional level with a long history of working with other organisations, such as universities and local

Re: [talk-au] Copying address from business website?

A simple test is: Am I helping their business? If it is the venue business itself, then yes you are. If you take from a listing site - where their value is the list itself, then no you are not, you are potentially acting to its detriment. FYI, your till receipts are another good source. Mike

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - addition of office=diplomatic to amenity=embassy with country=*

Sounds logical given the new tagging. I find no faults with the office=diplomatic page, kudos to Lyx for putting it together, very thorough. Embassies are (or should be) a 100% subset of office=diplomatic. I think you are wise in not suggesting mass addition of  diplomatic=embassy, I also have

Re: [Talk-GB] max_age=toddler? | Re: Playground age limits

My thoughts also. The description tag is very underused , IMHO. Specialist tags are undoubtedly extremely useful, they are precise, (should be) unambiguous and machine-read-friendly, but they do need to gain traction to be useful and are unfriendly when trying to convey fuzzy information, as

Re: [Talk-GB] sidewalks

On 2019-06-01 13:26, Andy Townsend wrote: On 01/06/2019 11:11, Jez Nicholson wrote: Brighton has also just gained a sidewalk https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/JAn which i'm not overly impressed withor am I being a Luddite? I personally wouldn't map sidewalks in a dense UK city like that

Re: [Talk-GB] sidewalks

I too was very anti at first. Reykavik was the first time I saw it on a systematic basis, and I thought it made a map I did aesthetically dreadful. But a small tweak, rendering sidewalk-tagged footways as a very unobtrusive narrow line fixed that. I now map them zealously for three reasons:

[Talk-GB] How would tag or name this wall crossing?

What do you call the type of wall crossing the that consists of two stone pillars placed close to each other (usually in a drystone wall) to leave a gap wide enough for humans and sheep dogs to squeeze through but not cattle or fully-grown sheep? Has anyone one got a barrier= tag for them? 

Re: [OSM-talk] Your thoughts on osm.org

In the spirit of a thought experiment: PRESENTATION A small thumbnail version of the current map and then a focus on links to map sites that the community feels are stable and a proper show-case: national maps, specialist maps (e.g. openseamap), routing services (perhaps with an emphasis on

Re: [talk-au] Question on how to fix this intersection

+1 to that. Looking at the eastern side imagery again, I'd make a general comment that will help elsewhere: There really should be a node about where the pedestrian crossing is and pushing the road slightly north. This would bring it closer the traffic engineer's intention, which is that the

Re: [talk-au] Question on how to fix this intersection

Hi Dion, I'd say a bit of both. The junction is topologically correct but looking at the aerial imagery and the node that you circled, https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1691043684 , then it could be moved very slightly north and a bit more aggressively west to lessen the change of

Re: [talk-au] Naming Bus Stops for interchanges in Sydney

In Sweden, I have seen the "F" going into the ref tag. Just a thought, I don't recall how it affects rendering in common schemes. Con: Clash with a more rigorous ref num giving by the transport authority, "40459" or such. Another (complementary) practice is to put just "F" as the name - which

Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

Lester's comments look logical from a general perspective: 1 network (National Rail), 1+ operators (Merseyrail, Northern, ...). I'd expand a bit by saying the it IS possible to have both multiple networks and operators at the same transport point (rail/bus station/platform). I have local

Re: [talk-au] State names

I assume we are specifically talking about addr:state ? If so the connotation is on the state as part of a postal address rather than as a place per se. Therefore I suggest using capitalised abbreviation and that the document Warin quotes is

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Quarterly Project: Post Offices

At the risk of being pedantic, but would a "network" tag, similar to bus routes, not be more appropriate? Here in Sweden, the post office system is now Post Nord, network=Post Nord, but post offices are frequently inside and operated by supermarkets, e.g. operator=ICA. These outlets often

Re: [talk-au] Morton Bay National Park should have it's ID numbers under ref=

I also agree. Putting other info into a name is not good practice. Separation allows map renderer and search functionality to decide what to do rather than being forced into something. I personally like to tag in a generic way as possible and therefore would use the "ref" tag as my choice.

Re: [talk-au] I have written a response to DNRM, please give feedback

I am the Michael Collinson mentioned by Simon, (hello Simon, it has been a while!). I still lurk on this list and after a long gap will be spending time in Australia each year. I am in Melbourne at the moment and look forward to meeting mappers here on my hopefully less busy visit later

Re: [OSM-talk] How to teach novices about optimal changeset size?

Hi Micah, I think you came up with a good answer to your conundrum in an earlier post in this thread: Don't explain what an optimal changeset IS, explain what it is NOT: Something like: "It helps other contributors understand your edits if you group what you are doing in a local area into

Re: [Talk-dk] Er OpenStreetMap blevet kommercielt ??

s. I therefore edit rather than delete. 4) Tags are added that are (marketing bullshit) opinions rather than verifiable facts. For example: description="Sells 156 flavours of ice-cream" - Hmm, OK description="Best ice-cream in Stockholm!!" - NO! Happy mapping, Mike

Re: [OSM-talk] Updated Privacy Policy

Nice work. Thank you to all involved - Mike On 28/09/16 12:05, Simon Poole wrote: The updated privacy policy that was in work since late 2015 has now been published and is available here: http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_Policy The changes in detail can be viewed here:

Re: [OSM-talk] Strange location reading

On 28/09/16 09:59, Warin wrote: On 28-Sep-16 04:44 PM, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: On 27.09.16 21:51, John Eldredge wrote: This past weekend, I made a long road trip. At one point, while in a highway rest stop, I checked Google Maps to see how far I had come. To my surprise, it showed me at a

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

On 13/07/16 12:44, Dave F wrote: On 13/07/2016 10:03, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: If written/spoken language is the barrier, maybe we should try something more cross-cultural, like signwriting language. http://signbank.org/iswa/cat_1.html what3hands anybody? How about musical notation? We

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData now OGL

This is really good news and thank you Rob for flagging it. Thanks also to the unknown folks at OS who have been working on this ... it follows through on a promise made to me in 2010 that they would look at. As cautioned by Rob, do wait until

Re: [OSM-talk] bridge vs tunnel

On 26/12/2014 22:46, Russ Nelson wrote: I think I've codified my rule for not-at-grade railway-highway interactions: if you could remove it with a crane, overhead is a bridge. If you need a backhoe, underneath is a tunnel. At least, that's the rule I plan to follow in the future. I've noticed a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Working Group news

, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz mailto:m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: I would also like to highlight that we also now welcome associate members who can help us occassionally or want to work on a specific topic that fires you up. This involves

[OSM-legal-talk] License Working Group news

The License Working Group is undermanned and has only met twice this year, most recently on 28th October. [1] This is due in great part to my lack of time, enthusiasm and attention in calling meetings. I am therefore stepping down as below and welcome volunteers to join as full members and

Re: [OSM-talk] Unelected OSMF advisers

On 17/11/2014 15:41, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I am a little concerned that the (already overwhelming) task of fixing OSMF, which has been entrusted to a board of seven good people, is being made still harder by people in mysterious unelected roles offering their advice. I know of at least

[OSM-talk] Moderator statement. Please read before posting

Rule 1: Have Fun! The OSM project depends on folks participating because we want to and because, measured in our own terms, we have fun. Whoever we are. Whatever we do. Crowdsourcing depends on as many people as possible being involved and engaged. For us, that means women and men,

Re: [OSM-talk] Postponing elections, or other alternatives (Was: Modus operandi of the board)

I thank Christoph and Kathleen for obliquely raising an issue ... which I'd crudely put as politics versus bureaucracy. It is a very important one and touches back on the topic of modus operandi of the OSMF board. I, perhaps in a minority, regard the entire OSMF set-up as volunteer bureaucrats

Re: [OSM-talk] The Working Groups need you!

The work around is that you express interest and the chair of the relevant working group invites you. We'd like the chair of each working group to be an OSMF member but there is no hard and fast rule beyond that. It is basically up to the chair. Certainly as License Working Group chair, I

[OSM-legal-talk] Google awarded patent on automatic correction of road geometry from imagery

This comes to me via Simon Poole, so the OSMF board is aware. http://apb.directionsmag.com/entry/google-patent-updating-map-data-using-satellite-imagery/402398?utm_source=dlvr.itutm_medium=tumblr

[Talk-GB] Animated map of the development of London

Not OpenStreetMap, but even as a Yorkshireman devoid of sentiment for those areas down south I found this interesting to watch: http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/may/15/the-evolution-of-london-the-citys-near-2000-year-history-mapped Mike ___

[Talk-GB] Animated map of the development of London

Not OpenStreetMap, but even as a Yorkshireman I found this interesting to watch: http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/may/15/the-evolution-of-london-the-citys-near-2000-year-history-mapped Mike ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis updated with May 2014 OS Locator data

On 15/05/2014 09:27, Steven Horner wrote: Personally I like Marc's suggestion of using the 2 street names separated by a hyphen. This allows both names to be rendered. Then identifying each street with left and right tags. How do you chose which is which if the road runs East to West? I'm

[OSM-legal-talk] Community Guidelines - Horizontal Cuts better text

Thanks to all have responded specifically or generally on our community guidelines draft. I have been able to make a number of small changes which tighten and clarify without changing intent. I have made one large edit by replacing my original horizontal cuts text with some that I believe is

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM France BANO project... openaddresses in France

On 16/05/2014 12:36, Simon Poole wrote: It is likely that the LWG will be providing a clarification on the matter at hand soon (Paul has been doing some work on this over the last couple of weeks). We are now putting the finishing touches to that and I hope that I'll be able to release it

[OSM-legal-talk] Creative Commons license question

This is a pure CC question. An organisation is making a short film/video which will be released CC-BY. They want to show (fleetingly) OSM map tiles ... which are CC-BY-SA- 2.0. Can they do that? [And if anyone in the UK wants to help them by creating tiles from scratch under a CC-BY

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Guideline review: Substantial

Luis, Thank you very much for your thoughtful comments, I hope you don't mind that I've referenced the mail link on the page for resource reading! On 30/04/2014 00:10, Luis Villa wrote: I think it is pretty clear that this rule is only for OSM/ODBL, but it wouldn't hurt to make that more

[OSM-legal-talk] Community Guidelines (was Re: Attribution)

On 28/04/2014 23:27, Mikel wrote: Further I note there was 0 (zero) response to the proposed updated community guidelines that go a long way in clarifying a number of the grey areas, indicating that the whole upset is not about fixing real issues. Simon, first i've heard about this. Can you

[OSM-legal-talk] The edges of share-alike on data Re: Attribution

I've renamed the subject because it has gone way off topic, but I wanted to come back on Tobias' comment because it struck a chord and I would like to share a personal research topic. I am curious to evolve the idea further to see if there is any positive value. Open data is a different

[OSM-talk] Community Guidelines needs your review

, on the wiki (there is a Discussion section below each guideline) or to le...@osmfoundation.org. Mike Michael Collinson Chair, OpenStreetMap Foundation License Working Group ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [OSM-talk] How to handle copyright status of notes information.

On 03/05/2014 17:26, colliar wrote: How do you handle the copyright status on information from notes ? I often find useful information like opening_hours and new openings of shops/amenities in notes but how do I know if the anonymous user did add this information from survey or legal sources ?

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey

I think the License Working Group would echo exactly what Jonathan says. While it does not solve the problem of being able to map where there are no mappers, may I also seize the opportunity to promote John McKerrell's excellent OpenStreetView? It is a great under-exploited tool!

[OSM-legal-talk] Community Guideline - Regional Cuts

of roads, railways etc across boundaries without triggering share-alike? There seems to be no public value(?). See wiki page for more discussion. Mike Michael Collinson License Working Group ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-legal-talk] Community Guidelines needs your review

I have now almost finished a major revamp of the Community Guideline pages at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Community_Guidelines. I now ask for a few eyeballs to review the pages so that they represent a community consensus rather than what Michael Collinson thinks. I

Re: [OSM-talk] How to Tag Closed Airport

One thing to consider is adding some sort of subsidiary tags, such as suggested, add closed to the name, but leave the main aeroway tagged for a few years. If an airport suddenly disappears from normal map rendering there is a natural assumption by map users that OpenStreetMap is in error. I

Re: [talk-au] Mapping Gallipoli

Hi Warin, First,  wonderful idea,  my grandad fought there with the 2nd AIF and being able to relate dry names in books to actual places is very satisfying ... whether just looking at the map or making an actual visit. I think it well worth approaching Australian War Memorial. As OpenStreetMap

[Talk-GB] Moderator Comments - Was Re: UK Food Hygiene Rating System

OK guys, time to end this thread. Not sure if I am an official moderator on this particular list, but wading in. We Brits are supposed to be ladies and gentlemen every one, so let's act like that on our own list. May I ask all concerned to take a read through

Re: [Talk-GB] Editor backbground layers in iD

On 28/10/2013 19:28, SomeoneElse wrote: series, Mapbox Satellite or Mapquest Open Aerial, and if anyone's using NPE, Bartholomew 1/2 inch or OS 1 inch as backgrounds they probably shouldn't be using iD to do it (if for no other reason due to alignment issues). Am I maligning these sources and

Re: [Talk-GB] Geological Data

It is an area that interests me too, explicitly surface expression of geology, (outcrops and faults mostly) and geomorphology (interesting drumlins, meander loops, landslips, ...). My personal conclusion is that by all means do low-key experimentation but that any systematic mapping is better

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Wiki Mapia Mass Upload

Thanks. I have now written to their contact email address asking them to comply with our license or remove the data. I will report back on what transpires. Mike Michael Collinson License Working Group On 15/09/2013 16:54, Walter Nordmann wrote: got some: New from 18. August 2013: http

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] UK Open Gov License

2003. Please note that these are layman's opinions. I am not a lawyer and neither I nor the LWG can offer any formal legal opinion. Mike Michael Collinson [1] http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/1/ ___ legal

[OSM-legal-talk] About Boxes ... attributing OpenStreetMap

Hi all, There has been community discussion about refining the Legal FAQ on the issue of what is reasonable attribution for certain specific media cases. I have created a Community Guideline wiki page [1]. This is not about being legal but what you personally think is reasonable for what you

Re: [talk-ph] Waterways in NCR and surrounding provinces

I do a lot of waterway mapping where I do not know initially which way the river flows and wanted a way marking them when verified. I came up with experimentally marking them with oneway=yes ... Seems logical to extend that with oneway=no for tidal estuaries? Mike On 12 Sep 2013, at 03:22,

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping Archaeology

Hi Brian, Open Historical Map has a sporadically active mailing list http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo historic which your mate might like to join to get a feel for what is going on. It is very early stage stuff though. I map surface expression of historic mining activity in the north

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Banquetting Halls (neither hotels, not community centres)

On 23/08/2013 12:07, OpenStreetmap HADW wrote: On 22 August 2013 10:03, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: website=xxx - which will give the details (if we could access them from the map) I'm not sure if I can quote the website in this case as Google may have a database copyright on it.

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData Licence update (WAS: Finding Unmapped public rights of way)

On 30/07/2013 11:49, o...@k3v.eu wrote: Robert, On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:57:13 +0100, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: ... OSM takes a conservative line on copyright and licensing issues... I agree with Rob 100% on this, it is pretty obvious that the

Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData Licence update (WAS: Finding Unmapped public rights of way)

dataset published under the OS OpenData License by other organisations, such as English Heritage, (or by OS if any). Mike On 30/07/2013 15:58, Michael Collinson wrote: On 30/07/2013 11:49, o...@k3v.eu wrote: Robert, On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:57:13 +0100, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists

[OSM-legal-talk] Information for officials and diplomats of countries and entities with disputed territories

Simon, Oliver, Dermot and I have give a finally look over the document and are happy to now send it to the board as our formal proposal. However, as Chair I would really prefer a formal quorate, 4, for such things and ask you to indicate yes or no by email before I send it.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Working Group 2013

point? I often perform advocacy within governments and the United Nations and there are definitely issues I would like to discuss and have more clarity. Best, -Kate On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: The LWG will hold its first post-license change meeting

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