On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
This is, of course, one of the classic hallmarks of the scammer.
Many say this; but, to what end? He is not asking for money. Is it
just the attention? Was he improperly weaned as a child?
T
He is not asking for money
Again? Why someone keeps saying He is not asking for money when it's not
true?
-Messaggio originale-
From: Terry Blanton
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 1:36 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum
On Sun, Dec 4
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote:
He is not asking for money
Again? Why someone keeps saying He is not asking for money when it's not
true?
Are you speaking of the people who buy his product?
T
1:59 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote:
He is not asking for money
Again? Why someone keeps saying He is not asking for money when it's not
true?
Are you speaking
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote:
-.-
Rossi is asking for money. He asked money to Defkalion in February/March (A
LOT OF MONEY) for his technology (deadline of payment around June)
Stop saying that he is not asking for money, because is false.
Okay,
So Stanley Meter, a scammer (Ohio court sentence), was not a true scammer?
Mmmh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer%27s_water_fuel_cell
-Messaggio originale-
From: Terry Blanton
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 2:15 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit
On 11-12-05 07:36 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote:
This is, of course, one of the classic hallmarks of the scammer.
Many say this;
Because it's true, of course.
but, to what end?
To point out the annoying and
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote:
So Stanley Meter, a scammer (Ohio court sentence), was not a true scammer?
Mmmh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer%27s_water_fuel_cell
Actually, the book is not yet closed Meyer. Some believe that he did
not
05, 2011 3:50 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote:
So Stanley Meter, a scammer (Ohio court sentence), was not a true
scammer?
Mmmh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Actually I find the interlocking companies with funding from ... someplace
..., along with the early claims that Rossi (or was it Defkalion?) had
received a great deal of investment money from a substantial number of
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote:
Another free energy conspiracy? So boring...
The only fact was that he was sentenced as a scammer and his work was
bullshit.
Actually, I find all this exciting and interesting. It's people who
killed Tinker Bell that
On 11-12-05 10:40 AM, Mattia Rizzi wrote:
He did
have some remarkable demonstrations AND he died the same way as
knowledgeable people
Another free energy conspiracy? So boring...
The only fact was that he was sentenced as a scammer and his work was
bullshit.
Boy, THAT's a conclusive
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 5:15 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com
wrote:
-.-
Rossi is asking for money. He asked money to Defkalion in February/March
(A
LOT OF MONEY) for his technology (deadline of payment around
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
I think that they
are relieved that AR failed to deliver by their deadline and had
already in their possession the secret of how the reactor worked,
assuming this is all true.
Yes, and that would be a huge assumption.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
So Steorn were not true scammers?
No, just stupid. And usually drunk.
T
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Believers seem to have the fundamental problem that they don't
differentiate
between claims and facts or evidence and they don't require independent
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
wrote:
So Steorn were not true scammers?
No, just stupid. And usually drunk.
What is it so far ~16 million? Not bad for a bunch of stupid
drunks.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
wrote:
So Steorn were not true scammers?
No, just stupid. And usually drunk.
What is it so far ~16 million? Not bad for a bunch of stupid
drunks.
On 11-12-05 12:50 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mary Yugomaryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Believers seem to have the fundamental problem that they don't differentiate
between claims and facts or evidence and they don't require independent
testing before they accept
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote:
On 11-12-05 12:50 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mary Yugomaryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Believers seem to have the fundamental problem that they don't
differentiate
between claims and
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote:
On 11-12-05 12:50 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mary Yugomaryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Believers seem to have the fundamental problem that they don't
differentiate
between claims and
(sorry this was my first post here, should've sent it to vortex address)
Charly:
What I fail to understand is how Defkalion fits in the scam theory ?
Rossi definitely has the profile, but assuming it's a scam is Defkalion
part of it as well ?
As accomplice or rival scammers ? It seems a little
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
I keep giving Rossi the benefit of the doubt. Things keep going down hill.
I have to ask myself, would I buy a used car from this man?
Have you just noticed that he is hard to deal with? Is this a revelation to
you? I could have told you this any
/snip/
As long as a positive test is based purely on physics rather than his personal
credibility, or it is performed by others (as some tests have been)...
/snip/
What tests have been performed by others?
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:21:13 -0500
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
This incident also confirms my belief that he is the world's worst
con-man. He could not con candy from a baby. He could not sell water to
someone dying of thirst. In a perverse way, this gives me confidence in his
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Yet people on forums and blogs keep offering to contribute or invest money
despite the lack of independent verification that he has something
worthwhile. He must be doing something correctly.
Yes indeed. He showed irrefutable proof of a nuclear reaction
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
/snip/
As long as a positive test is based purely on physics rather than his
personal credibility, or it is performed by others (as some tests have
been)...
/snip/
What tests have been performed by others?
Ampenergo, before they signed
On 11-12-05 01:23 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence
sa...@pobox.com mailto:sa...@pobox.com wrote:
On 11-12-05 12:50 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mary
Yugomaryyu...@gmail.com
On 11-12-05 03:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com
mailto:robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
/snip/
As long as a positive test is based purely on physics rather than
his personal credibility, or it is performed by others (as some
tests
OOPS -- Sorry, Jed, you obviously have *NOT* blocked Mary, and the rest
of what I said is therefore of little consequence, because you've read
the arguments already.
On 11-12-05 04:46 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 11-12-05 03:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Robert Leguillon
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Have you read nothing of how psychics operate?
Actually, I have read a lot about that, possibly more than Yugo has. I have
also read about stage magicians. In both cases their methods could not
begin to fool anyone looking inside a fake cold fusion
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
(FWIW I'd be surprised if Terry didn't get it...)
Cherry-cola champagne? Kinky! :-)
T
Am 05.12.2011 22:56, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote:
Have you read nothing of how psychics operate?
Actually, I have read a lot about that, possibly more than Yugo has. I have
also read about stage magicians. In both cases their methods could not
begin to fool
Peter Heckert wrote:
Watch this magician: http://youtu.be/VsYDRRGmpXU
At 6:00 he makes steam and he allows more access than Rossi ;-)
His Japanese is pretty good.
Do you seriously think that a chemist examining that cup would not find
the source of heat? Get real. Once you look inside the
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
For example, he demonstrated 30 L of water that remained at boiling
temperatures for four hours with no input. [...] Neither you nor any other
skeptic has ever given us a single viable, scientific reason to doubt these
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
I have corresponded with Randi directly, and I saw his recent video.
Nothing he says about cold fusion has any merit. He knows nothing about
this subject.
Have you
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Peter Heckert wrote:
Watch this magician: http://youtu.be/VsYDRRGmpXU
At 6:00 he makes steam and he allows more access than Rossi ;-)
His Japanese is pretty good.
Do you seriously think that a chemist examining
Am 05.12.2011 23:25, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert wrote:
Watch this magician: http://youtu.be/VsYDRRGmpXU
At 6:00 he makes steam and he allows more access than Rossi ;-)
His Japanese is pretty good.
Do you seriously think that a chemist examining that cup would not
find the source
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Have you corresponded specifically with Randi about Rossi?
No, this was years ago. However, he has not changed is views. He says that
Rossi and all other researchers are scammers, frauds, lunatics and
criminals. That is also what Robert Park and many other
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Do you seriously think that a chemist examining that cup would not find the
source of heat? Get real. Once you look inside the magic trick stage prop,
the trick is always instantly obvious.
That's the point though, isn't it? Nobody was ever allowed to
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
He has no magical ability to change the Stefan-Boltzmann law.
The Stefan-Boltzmann law does you no good if the foil has an emissivity of
10% or less. That would give less than 50W emission for 60C surface
temperature in
On 11-12-05 04:56 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com mailto:sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Have you read nothing of how psychics operate?
Actually, I have read a lot about that, possibly more than Yugo has. I
have also read about stage magicians. In both cases their
At 02:30 PM 12/5/2011, Mary Yugo wrote:
We don't know what tests
Ampenergo did -- perhaps it was more of the uncalibrated and error prone
heat of vaporization of steam type experiments that Rossi is so fond of
doing even though liquid coolant as used by Levi is much easier and
better. If you
? Was
anything recorded? Was any document produced? Are there names available for any
observers that can be consulted?
_
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:45:09 -0500
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum
From: jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Robert Leguillon
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
That is incorrect. Many people have looked inside these devices. The
photographs of the Ottoman size device instantly rule out any possibility
of a chemical or other conventional source of heat.
Only to your
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Do you seriously think that a chemist examining that cup would not find
the source of heat? Get real. Once you look inside the magic trick stage
prop, the trick is always instantly
On Dec 5, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
I keep giving Rossi the benefit of the doubt. Things keep going
down hill. I have to ask myself, would I buy a used car from this
man?
Have you just noticed that he is hard to deal with? Is
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
At 02:30 PM 12/5/2011, Mary Yugo wrote:
We don't know what tests Ampenergo did -- perhaps it was more of the
uncalibrated and error prone heat of vaporization of steam type experiments
that Rossi is so fond of doing even
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/04/slides-from-sept-22-nasa-
lenr-innovation-forum-workshop/
Quote:
“Rossi changed the game totally.” the witness said. “From the test
plan, the device, everything. There was nothing there that we had
agreed on. He had a 30 liter reservoir in there
Or Krivit is simply lying or telling half truths and is being caught with
pats now that these slides are available. He ddin't post the full slides
until ecatbuilder uploaded them.
2011/12/5 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
http://blog.newenergytimes.**com/2011/12/04/slides-from-**
On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Or Krivit is simply lying or telling half truths and is being
caught with pats now that these slides are available. He ddin't
post the full slides until ecatbuilder uploaded them.
The video speaks for itself. Are you saying the video was
What video? I am talking about what happened to when NASA personnel visited
Rossi.
2011/12/5 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Or Krivit is simply lying or telling half truths and is being caught with
pats now that these slides are
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote:
http://blog.newenergytimes.**com/2011/12/04/slides-from-**
sept-22-nasa-lenr-innovation-**forum-workshop/http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/04/slides-from-sept-22-nasa-lenr-innovation-forum-workshop/
... On the
On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
What video? I am talking about what happened to when NASA personnel
visited Rossi.
Oh! Sorry!
2011/12/5 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Or Krivit is simply lying or telling half
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
What video? I am talking about what happened to when NASA personnel
visited Rossi.
2011/12/5 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Or Krivit is simply lying or
Why are you so sure of his honesty?
2011/12/5 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:
What video? I am talking about what happened to when NASA personnel
visited Rossi.
2011/12/5 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
On
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Why are you so sure of his honesty?
Krivit's? First, I have no reason to doubt it. It seems likely that NASA
people did that, saw that and said that. It's consistent with Rossi's
history.
Second, if Krivit is lying
On 11-12-04 09:53 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
mailto:hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/04/slides-from-sept-22-nasa-lenr-innovation-forum-workshop/
... On the second day, when the
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