Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-19 Thread Axil Axil
Once matter collapses it will still obey quantum mechanic and thermodynamic laws. I am going to do some calculations and see what I come up with. Once matter collapses, it is no longer part of this unicerse, and as such, no longer obeys quantum mexhanics and thermodynamic laws. A

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-19 Thread Axil Axil
*Each to its own. If the shoe fits, wear it. The spoiled baby boomer remains a baby, needing to put someone down in vain attempts to bolster themselves. Judgmental forays are worshiped as a commandment. However, take care*! To respond to a theory is a very friendly act. It shows that the theory

Re: [Vo]:LENR and Fermi Acceleration

2012-08-19 Thread ChemE Stewart
The act of measuring requires one to impart some energy (photons or other) or matter upon the particle. Upon the object being measured, the object may instantly increase in mass or change velocity. Over time this energy will be transferred back to its environment as it evaporates... On

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-19 Thread ChemE Stewart
I have been using black hole and singularity interchangeably and that is confusing and inconsistent. I will refer to it as a quantum black hole that obeys quantum mechanics: In quantum mechanics, the black hole emits Hawking radiationhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation, and so can

[Vo]:Papp demo and explosions, the end game, and John Rohner

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Subject was: Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi At 03:11 PM 8/17/2012, ChemE Stewart wrote: If you just sell plans for poppers, electronic circuit boards and licenses for the technology, then all of the liability rests with the OEM's they drag in. They probably give them a short demo in the

Re: [Vo]:Recombination

2012-08-19 Thread James Bowery
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: John said that the original Papp engine produced boron as an ash product and as a consequence, demonstrated relatively poor reaction efficiency. Who observed this boron ash and where has it been corroborated?

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2012-08-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: The second part is inspired by Defkalion's technology but also by my impressions of ICCF-17 and to these I have added an overdose of wishful thinking. And a good deal of poetry to the prose. Very good. T

Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:22 PM 8/17/2012, Axil Axil wrote: In a post today integral sited a death of a LENR developer in an explosion. The take away, LENR is dangerous when the power is high. It is best to be as safe as you can. When Pons and Fleischmann, in 1983, in one of their first experiments, using a

RE: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-19 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed sed: There is nothing more ephemeral that a vitally important trade secret. Trade secrets about unimportant technology sometimes last for decades. Stealing trade secrets is probably right up there with absconding with military secrets. I wish I could find a brief You-Tube clip

Re: [Vo]:McKubre clarifies his view of the Celani demonstration

2012-08-19 Thread ecat builder
I would love to hear Mike's real thoughts on the the Papp engine and whether he thinks it is an interesting /unexplained phenomenon or we are close to a commercial product. Its unfortunate that the Rohner boys can't play nice--Bob just shut down all of his brother John's YouTube videos.. Bob:

[Vo]:Papp demo and explosions, the end game, and John Rohner

2012-08-19 Thread ChemE Stewart
Abd, Just a thought... Papp may have known that the containment coil needed to remain energized in order to collect and contain charged, collapsed matter particles at the coil's inside surface that was being produced at each cycle. Possibly when Dr. Feynman unplugged the power the collapsed

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2012-08-19 Thread ChemE Stewart
Peter, Very nice post. As you know, I believe this reaction might have a bit of heaven and hell locked within it. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: The second part is inspired

[Vo]:Gas Powered ECAT gain 3 or 6

2012-08-19 Thread David Roberson
On Rossi's journal someone asked a question of him about the gain of his hotter operating ECAT. In his answer, Rossi suggested that the gain of the gas powered unit was 3 when the gas is actively heating and infinite by definition when in gas standby. The device is being heated by the gas

[Vo]:Final response to Jojo Jaro

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Subject was Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus I apologise for not changing the subject header earlier. Contrary to his earlier statements, Jojo apparently does want to have the last word. So this is my last communication in response to him. I'm adding his email address to a deletion file, so I

RE: [Vo]:Final response to Jojo Jaro

2012-08-19 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Abd, Contrary to his [Jojo's] earlier statements, Jojo apparently does want to have the last word. So this is my last communication in response to him. I'm adding his email address to a deletion file. What took you so long? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson

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2012-08-19 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 4:42 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: I apologize for the first part of no interest for LENR, but something frightening has happened- it seems that a gang of local politicians, leftists and rightists united have stolen or bought second hand our and try

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:44 PM 8/17/2012, ChemE Stewart wrote: My singularity will rip matter apart in the near vacinity. Any neutrons that escape it will be very low momentum, since the singularities quantum gravity pull sucked all of the energy out of them. It also devours them. Stewart, this is

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:03 PM 8/17/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: 6.2*10^7 neutrons per 5 min means 200 thousand neutrons per second. If each one carries 1MeV, that means 3*10^-10^-8J. There's about 3*10^7s every year, which means about 1Joule of radiation emitted per year. According to wikipedia: The

[Vo]:Question About Conservation of Energy In Plasma Transitions

2012-08-19 Thread James Bowery
Let's say you've got a xenon atom. It likes to absorb energy and emit photons. You know, xenon lamps etc. OK, so lets ask a real simple question: When a tube filled with xenon gas has some energy pumped into it and the electrons go to higher orbitals -- yes this happens for a very short period

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-19 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
I was thinking about this overnight and I think the right answer is probably somewhere in the middle. Suppose you are able to obtain a working LENR device containing e.g. powdered Ni or a Pd-coated cupronickel wire or whatever. You can certainly put the active material under and SEM and a

Re: [Vo]:LENR and Fermi Acceleration

2012-08-19 Thread Harry Veeder
The measuring system can either transfer energy from itself to the system being measured or do the reverse and transfer energy from the system being measured to itself. harry On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:58 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: The act of measuring requires one to impart

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2012-08-19 Thread Alain Sepeda
using various spawar, nasa GRC 89/2005, toyota/mitsubishi, NI, celani, Piantelli, Focardi, ENEA, Rubbia/DeNinno... we are at level 3 since long... after the 30% successful replication following FP we were at 2 (negative replication have no meaning except it does not work). after NASA GRC 89, we

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:09 PM 8/17/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: It is interesting that they claim element generation up to lead. That also happened in defkalion's data. Check that out. People, please start to discriminate. This is the slide show:

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2012-08-19 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: we are at level 3 since long... I'm thinking of Papp and the replicators. :) In an earlier thread I was implicitly arguing that we had gotten to (2) and could afford look around and kick the tires of the devices a

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-19 Thread Daniel Rocha
No need to swallow. If that were to be used as a heater, within a few years, where people sleep, the proximity would cause deadly effects, after a few years. Or, in any place where they would be stored together, like in a department store, where dozens of them would be together. It would not be

Re: [Vo]:Papp demo and explosions, the end game, and John Rohner

2012-08-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 12:17 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Abd, I will make an analogy which I am sure will gather consternation: do you remember in ghostbusters when they closed the breaker on the containment device housing the...gremlins? Ectoplasmic entities and

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-19 Thread Daniel Rocha
Yes, this is why I say they are claiming. They do not show much (or anything meaningful at all) concerning what methods are being used, or Although, it is sort of interesting that these similar things are showing up. Maybe a generalized contamination from overlooked common sources to both

Re: [Vo]:Papp demo and explosions, the end game, and John Rohner

2012-08-19 Thread James Bowery
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 12:17 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Abd, I will make an analogy which I am sure will gather consternation: do you remember in ghostbusters when they closed the breaker on the

Re: [Vo]:LENR and Fermi Acceleration

2012-08-19 Thread ChemE Stewart
I agree with that. Either way you have changed the measured. On Sunday, August 19, 2012, Harry Veeder wrote: The measuring system can either transfer energy from itself to the system being measured or do the reverse and transfer energy from the system being measured to itself. harry On

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:11 PM 8/17/2012, Axil Axil wrote: The hot fusion people and the nuclear physicist crowd will not believe that LENR is real unless they see lots of neutrons; this is a good political type experiment. It hasn't worked before, why should it work now? The main cold fusion reaction,

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 12:09 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson Spock's reply was something to the effect that: Military secrets are the most fleeting of all secrets. Episode 57, The Enterprise Incident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoUFbd9e-aY @ 3:55 T

[Vo]:OT: Psychonauts

2012-08-19 Thread Harry Veeder
- Dead Astronaut http://www.thefoxisblack.com/2011/08/05/space-suit-of-the-week-63/ This “Dead Astronaut” is a sculpture by Brandon Vickard, and I can’t quite figure out what is going on with this sculpture. As if astronauts didn’t have enough to worry about (sudden loss of pressure,

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:17 PM 8/17/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: But that is sort of bad news too. People won't be able to have these devices at home. It seems that there are bursts of high activity 1000x above the high limit level is way too dangerous. What devices? Daniel, isn't that jumping to conclusions? The

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:32 PM 8/17/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: Not really bad news. Ed Storms came up with a theory that fusion happen in cracks of the lattice. Summing that, with what I see in the slides, they are thinking that a BEC of D is forced to be fused by the fractures. So, LENR is a kind of variation of

[Vo]:Rossi Wakes Up

2012-08-19 Thread ny . min
Wise: Andrea Rossi August 19th, 2012 at 2:16 AM Dear ivan: We have decided, so far, to limit our sales to the 1 MW plants becausethis dimension is the one that

[Vo]:Rossi Wakes Up -- Took Note of Linear Generator with 2 Noble Gas Engine Heads

2012-08-19 Thread Mint Candy
Sweet Progress: Rossi must be following Vortex. Love, Candy ny . min Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:57:45 -0700 Wise: Andrea Rossi August 19th, 2012 at 2:16 AM Dear ivan: We have decided, so far, to limit our sales to the 1 MW plants becausethis dimension is the one that gives to Leonardo Corp.

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Spock's reply was something to the effect that: Military secrets are the most fleeting of all secrets. Arthur C. Clarke said the same thing, except he was talking about actual military secrets. He knew quite a few of them

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Wakes Up -- Took Note of Linear Generator with 2 Noble Gas Engine Heads

2012-08-19 Thread Jojo Jaro
Why are you asking me? I am not working on any Papp engine. My hands are full with my gen2 LENR research on Carbon Nanostructures. In fact, I want somebody to build me one of these Papp engines so that I can free myself and my farm factory from Raghead oil. Heck, I am even willing to

Re: [Vo]:Question About Conservation of Energy In Plasma Transitions

2012-08-19 Thread Axil Axil
What I don’t understand is if this is possible: 1 - 4He + 4He → 8Be(-93.7kEV) 2 - Be8 - 2He4(18.074 MeV) If this reaction is possible, and if this is what recombination is, where does the 18 MeV come from. Axil On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: When the

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper

2012-08-19 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:08:15 PM Subject: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device If you open this link: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Stimulated-LENR-Paper.pdf It turns out that

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo] Rossi is right about the CLOWNS (was::Rossi Wakes Up -- Took Note of Linear Generator with 2 Noble Gas Engine Head)

2012-08-19 Thread Jeff Driscoll
Defkalion is moving to Canada. Can someone comment on something I heard which is western Canada (such as Alberta and Vancouver) have weak laws that make running scams and frauds easier? On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Rossi is right about one thing; the

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2012-08-19 Thread Alain Sepeda
oops... notthe same level I agree. On papp I don't know any paper validating it's core mechanism... is there even any description ? 2012/8/19 Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: we are at level 3 since long... I'm

Re: [Vo]:Question About Conservation of Energy In Plasma Transitions

2012-08-19 Thread pagnucco
James, I am assuming that your question is motivated by the controveral Papp claims. While I have not had time to do more than peruse the following speculative papers, perhaps they are relevant, but I am not sure they are correct. Ion trapping and sonoluminescence ABSTRACT: Sonoluminescence is

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-19 Thread Daniel Rocha
FHPE has no normal conditions only workable conditions. Generally, they either do not work or just work softly. But, sometimes wires and pieces of metal explodes for God knows why reasons or just bursts of more intense activity. Up to this result, IF that is correlated with cold fusion, I was not

Re: [Vo]:Question About Conservation of Energy In Plasma Transitions

2012-08-19 Thread David Roberson
Interesting questions. Let me give it a try. I doubt that the pressure would change very much in the case of excited atoms since this is a gas. The pressure depends more upon the number of atoms than their size. The second question probably depends upon whether or not the gas is heated up by

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-19 Thread mixent
In reply to MarkI-ZeroPoint's message of Sat, 18 Aug 2012 22:50:51 -0700: Hi, [snip] Robin stated, Other factors to take into consideration are that a neutral black hole would oscillate back and forth through the planet Funny, that's exactly how electrons behave in my physical model... with the

[Vo]:We need to be skeptical, and why: the future of Cold fusion

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Subject was Re: [Vo]:Some doubts expressed about Celani demonstration At 10:43 PM 8/17/2012, James Bowery wrote: Isn't 23 years of torture enough? On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Jed Rothwell mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.comjedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Several experts in calorimetry expressed

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-19 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 19 Aug 2012 02:31:41 -0400: Hi, [snip] A *gravitational singularity* or *spacetime singularity* is a location where the quantities that are used to measure the gravitationalhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitationalfield become infinite

Re: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum?

2012-08-19 Thread Mauro Lacy
On 08/16/2012 01:19 PM, Mark Iverson wrote: FYI: this forwarded to me by a colleague... -Mark Trouble with Maxwell's Electromagnetic Theory: Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? http://vixra.org/pdf/1206.0083v5.pdf Abstract The purpose of this article is to point out that Maxwell's

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-19 Thread Daniel Rocha
That's the final stage of his theory, which has a resonant requirement. The longest wavlength for a cavity with 1nm is 2nm or ~500eV. This is wavelength has a strong absorption in matter in general because it ressonates with the inner orbitals of atoms. So, it is a highly ionizing radiation which

Re: [Vo]:Some doubts expressed about Celani demonstration

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:51 AM 8/18/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: Good calorimetry is difficult, but comparisons are not. Wouldn't it be sufficient to demonstrate two parallel implementations, one with an unprocessed CONSTANTAN wire and no H2, one with a processed wire and H2, and measure the difference using the

Re: [Vo]:Some doubts expressed about Celani demonstration

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:02 AM 8/18/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: So I understood, but then the flip side: why the questions about the calorimetry? Again, what am I missing? I've answered before but these responses are delayed. What you are missing, Jeff, is that Celani's work isn't conclusive, by any means.

Re: [Vo]:Some doubts expressed about Celani demonstration

2012-08-19 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Thanks. Very much appreciated (both of them). Jeff On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: At 02:02 AM 8/18/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: So I understood, but then the flip side: why the questions about the calorimetry? Again, what am I missing? I've

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-19 Thread David Roberson
I have always wondered exactly what happens to matter that is heading directly toward the singularity. Doesn't time for the matter slow down due to the intense gravity to such a degree that it appears to stop in mid path at the horizon from our observation perspective? Dave -Original

Re: [Vo]:Question About Conservation of Energy In Plasma Transitions

2012-08-19 Thread David Roberson
No likely to be true. Both paths should have the same yields. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Aug 19, 2012 4:43 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Question About Conservation of Energy In Plasma Transitions What I don’t

Re: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum?

2012-08-19 Thread David Roberson
I think the concept of one field generating the other in space as the wave advances is defective. In my way of thinking it is not possible to stop a wave in motion and perform a test of this nature. You would need to travel faster than light to get to an observation point that allows this.

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:14 AM 8/18/2012, Eric Walker wrote: On Aug 17, 2012, at 18:28, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: Widom Larsen postulate that the neutrons are produced when a proton captures an electron. The process is endothermic (energy must be supplied or it will not occur) so the neutrons

[Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-19 Thread ChemE Stewart
Mark, I absolutely agree that they will want to fall to earth, i just do not agree that micro black holes will necessarily zoom directly thru the earth. At 23 micrograms, about like a grain of sand, the smallest predicted mass of one at a planck length, I more pictured it acting like ball

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper

2012-08-19 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
I read it too. The work has also been published in an influential peer-reviewed journal, JETP (Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Physics), a leading Russian journal also published in English: http://www.springerlink.com/content/rup025083t105q83/ It is hard to know what to make of this. It

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Wakes Up -- Took Note of Linear Generator with 2 Noble Gas Engine Heads

2012-08-19 Thread James Bowery
Where is the reference to noble gas engine technology? On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Mint Candy m.ca...@gmx.us wrote: Sweet Progress: Rossi must be following Vortex. Love, Candy ny . min Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:57:45 -0700 Wise: Andrea Rossi August

[Vo]:110 automobile batteries to power the Oklahoma Noble Gas Engine?

2012-08-19 Thread James Bowery
2.5MJ/automobile battery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density 1 hour at 107 horsepower http://www.plasmerg.com/_files/Cert.pdf 2.6MJ/battery;1hour;107hp?battery http://www.testardi.com/rich/calchemy2/ ([{2.6 * (mega*joule)} / battery]^-1 * [1 * hour]) * (107 * horsepower) ? battery =

Re: [Vo]:Question About Conservation of Energy In Plasma Transitions

2012-08-19 Thread James Bowery
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 4:43 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I doubt that the pressure would change very much in the case of excited atoms since this is a gas. The pressure depends more upon the number of atoms than their size. While true, that is different from the statement I

Re: [Vo]:110 automobile batteries to power the Oklahoma Noble Gas Engine?

2012-08-19 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:09:07 PM Subject: [Vo]:110 automobile batteries to power the Oklahoma Noble Gas Engine? 2.5MJ/automobile battery 1 hour at 107 horsepower = 110.47821 battery Hah! It was actually 1 hour 6 minutes .. so add another 10

Re: [Vo]:110 automobile batteries to power the Oklahoma Noble Gas Engine?

2012-08-19 Thread David Roberson
Do you expect to see 107 HP for an hour with a automobile sized battery? I have a larger one that powers a small johnboat and it is lucky to run for a couple of hours at much less power. You need a special deep discharge type to have a chance of any serious power over time from what I have

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:55 AM 8/18/2012, ChemE Stewart wrote: I think the invention was real, powerful and very uncertain and unreliable, prone to failures, malfunctions and explosions, nature of the beast. No. Papp demonstrations did not normally fail. That's a myth. The demonstration that Feynman

Re: [Vo]:110 automobile batteries to power the Oklahoma Noble Gas Engine?

2012-08-19 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com\ Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:46:13 PM While you're at it, calculate the diameter of the 3-wire extension cord needed to power it from the mains! 107 hp = 78.7 KW / 120 V = 655 Amps https://wiktel.com/standards/ampacit.htm Highest gauge listed = =

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:03 AM 8/18/2012, Axil Axil wrote: This is a certificate of an independent and legally witnessed test of the Papp engine by two independent witnesses in 1983. http://www.plasmerg.com/_files/Cert.pdfhttp://www.plasmerg.com/_files/Cert.pdf Right. Stuff like this is why I bifurcate this

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:15 PM 8/18/2012, James Bowery wrote: On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Note that this could be parallel with Jospeh Papp. Papp apparently planted red herrings in his patent applications, things that he knew would

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:27 PM 8/18/2012, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Hello Akira, I can't see any bad news. If I'm correct, Miley's team reports a much more robust reaction than previously seen, along with a variety of extremely anomalous transmutations. Where is the report? Miley's reports of

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-19 Thread ChemE Stewart
Just more UNCERTAINTY On Sunday, August 19, 2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 12:15 PM 8/18/2012, James Bowery wrote: On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto: a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Note that this could be parallel with Jospeh Papp. Papp

Re: [Vo]:Rossi FIRST?? 1MW : gas-fired COP = 3 minimum 6 maximum

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:36 PM 8/18/2012, Axil Axil wrote: The efficiency of a gas electric generator is about 33%. If the Cop of a Rossi reactor is 3, that means that the Rossi plant is about the same cost wise as a straight up gas burner. When gas is used to fire the Rossi reactor, the overall efficiency

Re: [Vo]:Rossi FIRST?? 1MW : gas-fired COP = 3 minimum 6 maximum

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:39 PM 8/18/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: I think the point of (b) in the original message was that today's posting by Rossi talks about a 1MW plant using the future tense. Which seems to conflict with some prior statements by Rossi. Yes, I noticed that. Of course, he can always say it was

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:36 PM 8/18/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Oh yes he is! His influence is seen in most of the new experiments reported at ICCF17. Most of the authors give him credit. If it turns out his results are fake it will ironic, to say the least. I've seen massive deception play a major role in

Re: [Vo]:RE: Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:30 PM 8/18/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: I am curious about the weak and erratic comment. What about evidence like this -

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:39 PM 8/18/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: Thanks for writing this, I was also scratching my head trying to figure out whether Godes and W-L were saying the same thing or not. Minor comment: I think you typo'd 782MeV when meaning 782KeV. Yes. Thanks. They are not saying the same thing,

Re: [Vo]:110 automobile batteries to power the Oklahoma Noble Gas Engine?

2012-08-19 Thread James Bowery
Shirley, you're joking Mr. Feynmann! Feynmann: Stop calling me Shirley. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com\ Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:46:13 PM While you're at it, calculate the diameter of the 3-wire extension

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-19 Thread Axil Axil
http://pesn.com/2012/08/18/9602162_My_Visit_to_Inteligentry/ My Visit to Inteligentry Even the usually supportive Sterling D. Allan of Pure Energy Systems News is asking hard questions. The entire area is in a herding cat’s type of predicament. The Rohner business plan is something that an

Re: [Vo]:RE: Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-19 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Famous last words... That's a fair comment. Let me try it a different way. If you look at the Dash paper at ICCF, they appear to give quite specific directions about preparation of the material. This in contrast to Celani, Schwartz, Rossi, and Godes, who do not give such directions, as best I

Re: [Vo]:We need to be skeptical, and why: the future of Cold fusion

2012-08-19 Thread James Bowery
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: Subject was Re: [Vo]:Some doubts expressed about Celani demonstration At 10:43 PM 8/17/2012, James Bowery wrote: Isn't 23 years of torture enough? On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Jed Rothwell mailto:

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-19 Thread Eric Walker
Le Aug 19, 2012 à 6:20 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com a écrit : http://pesn.com/2012/08/18/9602162_My_Visit_to_Inteligentry/ Is it normal to mount the electronics on the engine block like that? Even though it not understood to heat up like a normal engine, I understand that it still gets

Re: [Vo]:110 automobile batteries to power the Oklahoma Noble Gas Engine?

2012-08-19 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:29:35 PM So, Feynman would have needed to yank out 3 1-inch diameter extension cords. None of the reports indicate whether the Papp engine was running under load or not.

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-19 Thread ChemE Stewart
I do not believe this engine will ever make it to market. When it is working as designed it is destroying itself, much in the way that a wire that shows the anomalous heat effect is considered a successful result just before the wire becomes embrittled and breaks apart. On Sunday, August 19,

Re: [Vo]:We need to be skeptical, and why: the future of Cold fusion

2012-08-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: The calorimetry problem should, for the purposes of cold fusion, have been solved by now -- not just technically but economically. The calorimetry problem was solved in 1848. Every single person associated with this field, including me, knows exactly how

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-19 Thread pagnucco
Abd, Firstly, cheer up a bit. Way too much hostility. The proceedings paper is at: Surface Effect for Gas Loading Micrograin Palladium for Low Energy Nuclear Reactions LENR http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/STAFF/VISITING_FELLOWSPROFESSORS/pdf/LENR%20Korea%20ProceedXX.pdf They sound quite confident

Re: [Vo]:RE: Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:43 PM 8/18/2012, Eric Walker wrote: I am not in a position to assert an opinion here, but the impression I get is that the evidence for transmutations to stable isotopes is solid; see Ed Storms's book for a good discussion. An important difficulty, however, is that the amounts detected

Re: [Vo]:RE: Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-19 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Indeed, small traces of transmutations (e.g. Pd—Ag, Ti—Vd and Ni—Cu) may be explained by neutron production in light element fusion reactions. Afterall Fleischmann thought that he saw some neutrons, although there were no where near enough of them to be statistically significant or what is

Re: [Vo]:McKubre clarifies his view of the Celani demonstration

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I don't think Mike is likely to make any announcement soon He said enough on the stage at TeslaTech As to the videos, John may not know that YouTube is obligated to obey a DCMA take-down notice, but that he can file a counter-claim and presumably YouTube will then restore the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Wakes Up

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I haven't verified that Rossi actually wrote this. If he did, That is lamer than anything I've ever seen from Rossi. He may be completely losing it. So to speak, the clowns have empty boxes, they will fill with our small e-cats. Therefore we won't sell small e-cats. That'll show them!

Re: [Vo]:McKubre clarifies his view of the Celani demonstration

2012-08-19 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: I don't think Mike is likely to make any announcement soon He said enough on the stage at TeslaTech That's too bad for us, but understandable. I listened to a shorter version of the TeslaTech video once

Re: [Vo]:We need to be skeptical, and why: the future of Cold fusion

2012-08-19 Thread James Bowery
Is there a design for this $50,000, 2 man-month high temperature calorimeter? It sounds like a design could be created by a large number of people. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: The calorimetry problem

Re: [Vo]:Question About Conservation of Energy In Plasma Transitions

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I think the Be-8 ground state decay to 2 He-4 is at about the 93 KeV figure. Not the higher figure. Where did you get 18 MeV? My understanding is that 4D - Be-8 + about 47.6 MeV, which is initially as a nuclear excited state. Some of that may be emitted as a series of photons. If the Be-8

Re: [Vo]:Question About Conservation of Energy In Plasma Transitions

2012-08-19 Thread Axil Axil
I sited this link in my poat, you must have missed it. http://everything2.com/title/proton-proton+chain See the PPIII section at the end of list. Cheers: Axil On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: I think the Be-8 ground state decay to 2 He-4 is at

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
The engines, by report, don't run hot. Warm, at most. Not a problem for electronics. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2012, at 9:36 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Le Aug 19, 2012 à 6:20 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com a écrit :

Re: [Vo]:McKubre clarifies his view of the Celani demonstration

2012-08-19 Thread David Roberson
I wish we had more guys looking over these Papp engines to determine whether or not they are real. The concept is interesting, and of course there are problems that need resolution before quantity production could be considered. I have been thinking of the behavior of a crossed field device

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper

2012-08-19 Thread mixent
In reply to Alan Fletcher's message of Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:08:43 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:08:15 PM Subject: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device If you open this link:

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
That PESN report gives me practically no confidence. So they've sold the poppers before they are ready to ship any? Has anyone seen an Inteligentry popper function? They are announcing the availability of engines at an upcoming show, but the mfrs. haven't seen a running engine? The most

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
That paper certainly didn't cheer me up. Indeed it made me very sad. Myonic fusion? Yes, I know what they meant. The paper reads like it was written with Voice Recognition software, without editing, more or less off-the-cuff, by someone who knows a lot but is utterly disorganized. The