On 7/21/14, 1:57 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
Despite his expertise, or perhaps because of it - Storms appears to be
misguided about Pd-D being relevant for Ni-H. In the opinion of many,
there are better explanations, and they should be heard without the
observers publishing their own book. That
Dear Jones,
It is my duty to be the first to do hara-kiri-seppukku if the
cracking-hydroton combination will be demonstrated to be real-see more
about what I wrote some 2 years ago and have not retracted:
SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING ED STORMS’ NEW LENR THEORY.
The expectations from simulations state:
For decades astronomers have used computer models to predict how these dwarf
galaxies should orbit large galaxies. They had always found that they
should be scattered randomly.
These simulations include the gravitational contributions of dark matter.
The
These experiments that you want to perform have been done in the science of
nanoplasmonics,
The theory is also well defined regarding energy concentration in
nano-cavities.
Go through the intro on nanoplasmonics that I referred you to. Pay close
attention to the formation of hot spots.
There is
Dear Ruby,
Thank you for making this discussion more serious and fundamental. Please
have a lot of patience with a grumpy old man having unorthodox ideas re
CF/LENR. It seems Nature behaves someetimes as a bad girl, respecting rules
that differ from ours.
You wrote:
* For commercialization to be
Dear Ruby,
i hope you get my message despite typos, I see very badly and wrote
in a G.A.E.- Grandchilden Active Environment.
Peter
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Ruby,
Thank you for making this discussion more serious and fundamental. Please
From: Ruby
Jones, there are five different theories that are currently isolated islands
in a sea of perpetually prototype technology. No one agrees on anything, and
there is no discussion about the assumptions in each theory, about how those
assumptions are plausible, or not, and how the
Let me get it right, so essentially you are saying Ed's theory is not
all its is cracked up to be?
- Davy Crockett, 1835
http://www.knowyourphrase.com/phrase-meanings/Its-Not-All-Its-Cracked-Up-To-Be.html
The world needs more humor.
Stewart
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Jones Beene
I have not yet read the book. But some of the critique here seams odd.
To exaggerate it,
The exes heat in the most researched systeme Pd\D are mainly caused by
chemical effect and errors.
If so I think there are a lesser far-reaching assumption that the
results from the lesser known Ni- P/D
I am advancing toward a LENR GUT thanks to the diet my wife has forced upon me.
Axil, your cut-and-paste somehow distorted the article’s intent. The .03 keV is
the error bar. Here are some better plots and commentary.
https://inspirehep.net/record/1298698/plots
The actual mystery emission line is centered at ~3.5 keV but optical distortion
means it could be different
I played around with my geiger counter an find it making beeps near
my plasma bulb.
It also making beep on a electric train then there are
sparks at the connecting on the roof.
I have heard that the geiger
tubes is sensitive for electrical fields.
But if the voltage is high
enough a
On 7/22/14, 1:30 AM, Peter Gluck wrote:
Dear Ruby,
Thank you for making this discussion more serious and fundamental. Please
have a lot of patience with a grumpy old man having unorthodox ideas
re CF/LENR. It seems Nature behaves someetimes as a bad girl,
respecting rules that differ from
Previously in this thread…
PLUS.. this [3.5 keV] seems to be near a Rydberg emission line, and possibly
already associated with deep level orbital redundancy.
To wit: There are 137 steps in the progression of ground state hydrogen to DDL
according to CQM. There are other ways to compute
Chemical effects to modify the spin of hydrogen is a doorway through which
the LENR reaction must pass before the LENR reaction can occur. Hydrogen is
NMR active, its nuclear spin is non zero. A chemical reaction must occur
before hydrogen can undergo fusion. The spin of hydrogen must be reduced
Axil -- What about systems that don't make use of a cold plasma that
generate excess heat? Are these illusory?
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Chemical effects to modify the spin of hydrogen is a doorway through which
the LENR reaction must pass before
The cravens ball system may be one of them, What are the others?
Look at the Piantelli system, He does not heat the hydrogen, but cooper
pairing of hydrogen does occur because two protons enter into the nickel
nucleus as witnessed by the emission of a 6 MeV proton as seen in a cloud
chamber,
Rossi and DGT do manufacture NAE by nano-engineering. They coat their
micro-particles with nanowire.
The tip of a nanowire makes for a more powerful NAE because it has a very
high curvature, it is sharp.
The key to making the NiH reactor work is producing 5 micron nano-powder
with a cover of
On 7/22/14, 7:28 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
*From:*Ruby
Jones, there are five different theories that are currently isolated
islands in a sea of perpetually prototype technology. No one agrees on
anything, and there is no discussion about the assumptions in each
theory, about how those
We just have to put on those special glasses to see it!
Just open up that nanophasmonics introduction.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Ruby r...@hush.com wrote:
On 7/22/14, 7:28 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
*From:* Ruby
Jones, there are five different theories that are currently isolated
OK, interesting. I'm glad to see you have put forward some testable
predictions. Ed's theory also puts forward some testable predictions, which
is important. I think the easiest ones should be well advertised and
investigated more thoroughly by those able in the community. Couple things
though:
I think the legacy of Storms’ book, no matter if you agree with all
his theorizing about the exact character of the NAE mechanism, will be
that it opened up a more serious and expansive dialogue about the
importance of NAE.
The community, similar to how it followed the lead of Arata in working
Awhile back, I remember reading a article that the powerful LENR catalyst
potassium carbide or was it bicarbonate, produce cooper pairs of protons.
As proof, the article used high angle electron and neutron scattering
results to show that this chemical produce proton cooper pairing.
This makes
1) Do you think your jargon and/or theory is anymore sensible sounding to a
casual reader than Ed's?
I went to nanoplasmonics because it was where the dot connecting led me.
This science is difficult to follow because it is steeped in quantum
mechanics.
I remember the job I had in trying to
Mizuno send me some old papers. I reformatted them and uploaded them. They
are old, but new to LENR-CANR.org. See:
http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=1097
This one is about proton conductors:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTanomalousha.pdf
I also recently uploaded the papers from
From: Foks0904
I'm glad to see you have put forward some testable
predictions. Ed's theory also puts forward some testable predictions, which
is important. I think the easiest ones should be well advertised and
investigated more thoroughly by those
Jones -- As you're alluding to, the tritium production is miniscule.
Tritium is produced in an alternative reaction pathway in Ed's model, not
the main, and it can't be produced by the same reaction producing neutrons
(which Ed thinks are being produced by a separate fracto-fusion
phenomenon). The
I believe DGT data...ICCF17 has an ash assay that shows production of large
amounts of lithium, boron, and beryllium. Copper is not produced and nickel
is not consumed. If a NiH system is going to work for months and years, you
would expect that the nano-structures would not be consumed in the
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
If his theory were
accurate, there should be plenty of tritium formation in Ni-H. Lots more
than is seen.
d + p → 3He + ɣ (as seen in scattering experiments)
d + n → t + ɣ
Are you thinking of 3He? If Ed Storms is
From: Foks0904
As you're alluding to, the tritium production is miniscule. Tritium is produced
in an alternative reaction pathway in Ed's model, not the main, and it can't be
produced by the same reaction producing neutrons (which Ed thinks are being
produced by a separate fracto-fusion
I wrote:
Are you thinking of 3He? If Ed Storms is right, and deuterium is being
produced in an NiH system, then one might expect 3He from proton capture
afterwards (assuming a lot of assumptions). In Ed's hydroton theory,
there's no clear reason that neutrons would be involved.
Nevermind.
Why call a crack one dimensional when it has a width associated with it? A
hole is more one dimensional.
Dave
Now, cracks actually can be studied, are they predominantly monodimensional as
it is probably desired- chennels or bidimensional, can cracking be controlled?
It has much to
I have no problem with Storms’ theory as it relates to Pd-D. He is the
leading expert on that field - and we can completely ignore Pd-D in the
rest of this discussion, insofar as it relates to my criticism of this book.
OK. Fair enough. I do think a number of people don't make that distinction.
From: Foks0904 .
…But in many cases, under the umbrella of a general process, such as
traditional nuclear reactions, despite the difference, the different isotopes
all tend to follow the same general script in terms of how a reaction path
progresses and generates effects.
Not so!
OK...you sort of lost me. What are you getting at exactly? It doesn't
contradict what I wrote in the slightest. Yeah, fermions bosons play
different roles in nuclear process, in all processes actually -- so what?
Are you referencing a transition to a BEC state in NiH-LENR, something
which is far
See:
https://nanohub.org/resources/1641/download/2006.07.13-sands.pdf
A nanostructure is one dimensional under 100 nanometers in diameter. This
100 nm or less dimension is one that can squeeze electrons. A ballistic
conductor is one in which the electrons are squeezed to produce electrons
that
Are you referencing a transition to a BEC state in NiH-LENR, something
which is far from conclusive or self-evident? BEC theories like Kim's or
Takahashi's, even though I find them attractive, still confront a number of
problems as you probably know.
Great, let us talk about these problems. I
The key to LENR is squeezed electrons. 1 dimensional structures will
squeeze electrons. Putting electrons into a nano-box is the first step in
the LENR process.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:06 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Why call a crack one dimensional when it has a width
I know you can explain them away. That's not much of an accomplishment. Are
you going to take the time to answer the other three questions I posed to
you before we go off on this tangent?
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you referencing a transition to a
From: Foks0904
OK...you sort of lost me. What are you getting at exactly? It doesn't
contradict what I wrote in the slightest. Yeah, fermions bosons play
different roles in nuclear process, in all processes actually -- so what?
John, since are acting as Ed’s spokesperson, I assumed you
Ok, I will pay your price so here is #2
* Do you have a background in science, a self-taught amateur, or somewhere
in between? I don't think it's fair to be completely anonymous when putting
forth some sort of grand unified TOE.*
I have a degree in physics, but make a living as a system
*John, since are acting as Ed’s spokesperson, I assumed you understood a
little QM. Apparently that was not a valid assumption.*
I'm not acting as his spokesman, I speak for myself. You toss out some
vague reference to how fermions bosons act differently in nuclear
reactions, and because I'm
Could it be that the active regions are tiny hole like structures instead of
wide cracks? CNTs are much more uniform in size than random cracks upon the
metal surfaces and I must wonder if a uniform sized structure would encourage
common coupling enhancement.
One reason that I mention CNTs is
Thanks for a bit about your background, I appreciate that. But you still
have two more to go before the toll is paid I'm afraid.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, I will pay your price so here is #2
* Do you have a background in science, a self-taught
I will answer the other two, but I also hope that you will attempt to
understand some Nanoplasmonics. Just read the intro, and concentrate on how
hot spots work. PleaseI need more targets.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for a bit about your
Axil, don't misunderstand, I have definitely read reference material
concerning what you're talking about. I find a lot of it interesting and
possibly suggestive of what might be going on in plasmatic NiH systems. I
don't take any current theory as the truth -- yours or Ed's. I have
questions
I already have a target on my ass for my microwave radar theory so I am of
no help.
On Tuesday, July 22, 2014, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
I will answer the other two, but I also hope that you will attempt to
understand some Nanoplasmonics. Just read the intro, and concentrate on how
3) Is it a bad thing to treat Ed's postulates as a guide, even if you
don't like the idea of what the hydrogen interaction entails? It could
serve similarly to Arata's emphasis on the importance of nano-particles.
That had and continues to have a lot of clout in the community -- albeit
just a note,
JP Biberian say in his book La fusion dans tout ses états that he
investigated around protons conductors...
Thi seems to a a research direction. Not much heard here (a little anyway).
maybe this can give ideas to creative people for related articles.
2014-07-22 20:33 GMT+02:00 Jed
From: ChemE Stewart
I already have a target on my ass for my microwave radar theory so I am of no
help.
Glad you didn’t mention the plumber crack… :-)
… hey, you started the wise-cracks …
They have developed a polariton laser that works at room temperature. That
means that polaritons can form coherent and entangled ensembles of SPPs
(BEC) when properly pumped.
See
Exciton and Polariton Condensation
at this point, the idea of plasmon-induced BEC makes a number of leaps of
faith assumptions that I don't think are yet born out by experiment.
I could help you go through those many experiments one at a time.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote:
Axil, don't
In all this talk about the NAE being a Nanowire, a nanotip, a nanoantenna, a
nanomesh, a nanospike, a nano coating on a nano particle, a nano-this and a
nano-that; people seems to be forgeting the fact that whatever nano structure
the NAE is, it will not survive the temperatures we've seen
When you Google Polariton condensation, you will get 39,000 hits.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
at this point, the idea of plasmon-induced BEC makes a number of leaps of
faith assumptions that I don't think are yet born out by experiment.
I could help
Axil -- How is a plasmon condensate promoting a heat generating effect
in NiH systems? What is the quantum-coherent quasi-particle (aka
soliton) system, connected through a whispering quantum hall effect
between nano-cavities (perhaps being drawn in by nano-whiskers), doing with
the hydrogen to
Thanks for the comment Jojo. I think you make a fair point(s).
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote:
In all this talk about the NAE being a Nanowire, a nanotip, a
nanoantenna, a nanomesh, a nanospike, a nano coating on a nano particle, a
nano-this and
Thanks.
I am not knowledgeable about the history of computer hardware, but in this
video the presenter argues that the launch computer for the Saturn V
rocket (as opposed to the more commonly discussed flight computer for the
command module) is the mother of all modern computer boards.
The way power flows from the fusion reaction to the lattice is based on the
formation of a global BEC. The nuclear reaction feeds the BEC power in
small packets, hundreds of thousands of energy packets spread quantum
mechanically over all the members of the global polariton BEC. The nickel
Hi,
I've been looking in the Periodic table into the electron configurations
and I noticed some pecurilar things.
The following elements show clear deviations from the Aufbau Principle.
No Sym Name (en)
1s
2s 2p
3s 3p
Axil -- How is a plasmon condensate promoting a heat generating effect
in NiH systems? What is the quantum-coherent quasi-particle (aka
soliton) system, connected through a whispering quantum hall effect
between nano-cavities (perhaps being drawn in by nano-whiskers),
A vortex of electrons and
Jones,
You are positing that Ni-H fusion must be something completely different
than a Pd-D fusion due to the fact that a hydrogen nucleus (proton) is a
fermion and a deuterium nucleus (proton + neutron) is a boson.
Integer spin particles, Bosons, are not subject to the Pauli exclusion
Axil -- OK, but how is the fusion reaction initiated in this model? The
magnetic nano-antennae traps bring the hydrogen to the NAE (which is what
exactly?) and then what happens? Basically Kim's theory? Where else,
experimentally, has a BCE exhibited the tendency to initiate fusion?
Why would the
Axil, How exactly does the BEC of polaritons protect the nickel nanowire from
the high temps. Is it some kind of metaphasic shielding? Shielding that
stops temperature and radiation from penetrating?
How about the rest of the nickel bulk material? How is that protected from the
high temps?
*...doing with the hydrogen to produce observed excess heat?*
Based on the LENR system, the magnetic field could grow so strong that it
causes pions to condense out of the vacuum and these pions cause the matter
inside the volume of the magnetic field potential to became disrupted.
These
Considering DGT likely botched a simple demo last July, I'm not as
confident in their technical know-how as I once was.
DGT had a hard time with the demo because of RF interference with their
test equipment and computers. This is caused by nuclear magnetic resanance
active elements that convert
Axil -- What if I don't connect the same dots from the material you
provide, all of which comes from either (1) outside the field of LENR, or
(2) is based on speculative findings, that may or may not be true once more
serious replications are undertaken? Would that make me wrong and you
right? Do
Maybe. Maybe not. Though I don't believe them to be fraudulent, you haven't
even entertained the idea that DGT may play fast loose with data they
release to the public and company insiders? It's at the very least raised
doubts in my mind. I think that's a very faithful attitude of yours to have
I have put forth the nanoplasmonic experiments done with lasers.
Repeated many times in previous posts and except in part as follows:
have referenced papers here to show how the confinement of electrons on
the surface of gold nanoparticles: a nanoplasmonic mechanism can change the
half-life of
Bob,
Good point, and we did discuss some of this before. However, there are two
differences which could be important. Not sure if they came up earlier.
Deuterium is a nuclear boson. We do not need to invoke BEC at all for
tunneling of one nuclear boson into another nuclear boson. Therefore the
DGT has released data that they should have never released because the
magnetic theory of LENR was not well developed.
Their data was central explaining to the real causation of LENR.
I judge them to be completely honest and interested in the science of LENR.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 6:55 PM,
OK, so these papers are basically saying hot fusion/fission is occurring in
these nano-plasmon environments, right? Now the trick of course is proving
that a coherent BEC state, that links together a phase-coherent
quantum-system (aka soliton) then dissipates all that mass energy through
systemic
The BEC buffers the release of energy by widely spreading it out over many
NAE. The is something called quantum mechanical blockade that makes sure no
one NAE get more energy than the others.
When there is no BEC formed, a gamma is produced by the sole NAE and the
NAE is destroyed. A LENR system
Axil -- this sounds a bit similar to Widom-Larsen's magic gamma shield.
Maybe there is evidence for energy distribution in a BEC polariton system
-- but these are observed only outside LENR systems, in very selective
environments, and last I checked all NiH generating systems don't require
the
If superfuidic temperature distribution is demonstrated in a NjH reactor,
this proves that a global BEC has formed. The production of flashing hot
spots as viewed by a infrared camera shows that a BEC has not formed. I has
seen this video. If no hot spots are seen in the lattice of the reactor,
This is way a LENR system will work for awhile and then died a slow death.
A BEC leeps a reactor going for months without damage to the nano strutures.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote:
Axil -- this sounds a bit similar to Widom-Larsen's magic gamma shield.
You lost me there. It must be because, like Jones said, I don't understand
QM.
As far as I was aware, if we are talking about the same experiment, is that
the IR hot-spots clearly demonstrate an NAE reacting. Nothing more nothing
less. They were not detecting nuclear products, just spotted heat
How does the BEC-polariton shield maintain its existence without applied
current -- similar to when power is shut-off to a system and demonstrates
heat-after-death power generation? The electrical input goes away, cold
plasma goes away, BEC shield goes away, but the reactions persist, so we
should
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
just a note,
JP Biberian say in his book La fusion dans tout ses états that he
investigated around protons conductors...
Yes, with Lonchampt:
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BiberianJPdeuteriumg.pdf
I recall he collaborated with Mizuno as well. He
Like it or not.
https://www.facebook.com/gutcp
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.orionworks.com
zazzle.com/orionworks
Approximately 215 megabytes in length, contains embeded video
demonstrations:
http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/072114Demons
tration.pdf
Same PDF but without the embeded video clips:
http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/072114Demons
Polariton production must be strongly pumped. In Rossi's system the pumping
is done by the mouse or primary heater. In the DGT system the pumping is
done by the arc discharge. This pumping produces dipole oscillations on the
surface of the micro particles. Dipoles produce the electrons and photons
So this how can we experimentally prove this hypothesis? Widom-Larsen
refuse to subject theirs to test.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Polariton production must be strongly pumped. In Rossi's system the
pumping is done by the mouse or primary heater. In
Also this thing is absorbing huge amounts of energy, from both the nuclear
reactions the environmental temperatures of the system, and maintains
these very delicate nano-whisker structures BEC. That's a lot to ask of
one mechanism. The BEC's also maintain themselves somehow during
The production of hot spots that are not distributed demonstrates the
absence of a BEC. A BEC is demonstrated by a even temperature (isothermal)
distribution across the reaction chamber. All the members of the BEC have
the same temperature, they have the same energy, they are the some particle.
But the evidence we're talking about, I think, is in complete contradiction
to what you're saying is observed in LENR systems. Thermal events are
clearly localized, not evenly distributed/shared throughout. Whether some
kind of hidden, virtual quasi-particle interaction is taking place is not
In the past, Rossi ran his reactor is self sustain mode for some hours, but
had control problems. So the heat from the reaction can drive the reaction
without the application of external power. The problem is that Rossi cannot
control the reactor well when in self sustain mode because there is no
See
Rydberg excitation of a Bose-Einstein condensate
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.1261v1.pdf
Think of Rydberg excitement as the energy product of the reaction in terms
of the physics.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote:
You lost me there. It must be because,
In most LENR system, the energy is localized and the system will eventually
fail as the NAEs are destroyed.
Energy sharing in a BEC has been seen in Rydberg atoms that have formed a
BEC.
Also the polariton laser will produce a single frequency of light when the
polaritons release their photons.
This was work on ultracold atom ensembles. OK, that's interesting,
and? Why are you so sure ultracold phenomenon can so easily manifest at
high temperature. And what proves these ultracold phenomenon can generate
some system-wide absorption of radiation internal thermal heat? I'll ask
again if
The physics and math of ultra cold BEC is the same as for polariton BEC. I
read that somewhere. So the experimental results of one can be applied to
the other. Experiments of hot BEC are not possible because the parameters
of the experiment cannot be well controlled. Cold BEC is always used for
The ability to reflect infrared light is the important factor. Nickel is a
perfect reflector of infrared, gold and siver not so much, zirconium and
titanium are excellent infrared reflectors. Look at the inferred
reflection of metals as the key to selecting the best LENR metals.
Leaving the idea of mathematical equivalence aside, and for the sake of
argument I'll just take your word for it (though I'm sure that's a
debatable point), if they were physically equivalent LENR would not be such
a novel hard-to-detect effect -- it would be ubiquitous and obvious. Or,
at the
LENR is ubiquitous and obvious. It is seen in lightning, volcanic
processes, electrical discharges (Ken Shoulders), exploding foils, and
cavitation to name just a few. DGT has a list in their ICCF-17 paper.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote:
Leaving the idea
And absolutely all of them are manifestations of BEC?
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
LENR is ubiquitous and obvious. It is seen in lightning, volcanic
processes, electrical discharges (Ken Shoulders), exploding foils, and
cavitation to name just a few.
Any of them that does not produce gamma radiation is producing a BEC. For
example, a spark produces a cloud of nanoparticles in which a polariton
condensate is formed. In the instant when transmutation is occurring, a BEC
has formed.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Foks0904 .
I've been trying to be less partisan, so I will simply say -- maybe. I
don't deny that LENR happens in nature, I just don't think everything weird
in nature happens because of BEC formation that has no precedent in any
work done on BEC.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Axil Axil
You can setup a BEC shield test but then you would have a LENR reactor.
Maybe something can be done with the Mizuno;s reactor. He seems to be very
open, unlike Rossi and DGT.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote:
Leaving the idea of mathematical equivalence
No, BEC is the mechanism where gamma radiation is thermalized. Come to
thing of it, that U232 experiment is one in which 2,2 MeV gamma's where
shielded. So I will give you that as a BEC experiment.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been trying to be
OK, I think you're telling me it can't be generated measured in a lab,
and if it can, you don't have any real idea how to at this point. Right?
I've asked you this like 5-6 times now.
I don't fully understand what you just wrote. If we create the BEC quantum
coherent shielding effect in a
Earthquakes too. Many earthquakes happen under strong jet streams.
Jet Streams too. Many Supercells Spawn from Jet Streams. Supercells
too
Leg bone connected to knee bone, etc...
We live on a vacuum(6-d brane core of Earth), in a vacuum with a
little air and water vapor thrown on some
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