Originally, we were discussing the hand signals a person riding a bicycle would use to communicate that they are turning, stopping, etc.. This would be to communicate with other bikes (in my dream world) and with motorists. ALL people in traffic, be it on bike or in a vehicle or as a pedestrian, should understand the rules and communication of the road (again...dreaming). I don't understand how lighted signals in a car would benefit a cyclist.
I'll just agree to disagree about this. I'll always be for a standard system that all people in traffic can understand vs. each individual doing whatever feels good. To me, it's about traffic flow and safety. Cheers, kris ________________________________ From: India Rose Viola <[email protected]> To: Kristine M. Niemann <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:21:46 AM Subject: Re: [Bikies] Signaling a right turn with the right hand Kris, Cars are now equipped with lighted signals. Although I agree that teaching kids hand signals is a fine idea, it's a bit like teaching them how to use a slide-rule. Good in a pinch, but calculators do the trick. -India *********************** India Viola Stretton Lab Zoology Research Bldg. 1117 W. Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 608.262.3336 *********************** "How can we learn from our mistakes if we don't first acknowledge them?" -Anonymous "We exist in the bacterial world, not bacteria in ours" -Stuart Levy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristine M. Niemann" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:16 am Subject: Re: [Bikies] Signaling a right turn with the right hand To: [email protected] > So does anyone know what are the cops teaching the kiddos in school > these days about bike safety and hand signals? That's where I learned > the hand signals, right of way, which side of the street to walk/ bike > , etc. Maybe cops don't do safety lessons in schools anymore, but I > don't understand why kids (now drivers) wouldn't have learned the > proper hand signals from their parents. If the standard bent-hand > right turn signal is so foreign to youth, it sounds like we need some > education on this. > kris > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Michael Rewey <[email protected]> > To: bikies <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:06:11 AM > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Signaling a right turn with the right hand > > > And there are times when using the left arm to signal a right turn can > look like an unwelcome > gesture.... Happen to me one winter and the driver behind me followed > me into the parking > lot I was going into. Yikes. > > Now I point with my right arm/hand. > > Mike Rewey > > ******************* > On 19 May 2009 at 10:56, Mark Shahan wrote: > > Bikies, > > The last few times I used the left arm up to signal a right turn 15 > years ago, people thought I > was waving to them. I haven't used the left arm up since. The > problem with the left arm up > signal is that despite what state law says, most motorists don't know > what it means anymore. > > I agree with Robbie's comments. I always point with either my left or > right arm and I am not > one to hug the curb so visibility of my signal is not an issue. > Motorists always get the > message as long as they see me in the first place. However, I don't > think which way you > signal a right turn is a big issue and both ways of signaling a right > run should be allowed by > state law. > > So Robbie, what is your "Back off, and don't be an idiot to pass me on > a > blind hill" signal? > > Mark Shahan > > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Dave Minden < > [email protected] > wrote: > Here's the advice on the website of the League of American Bicyclists, > which > claims to have 300,000 bicyclists affiliated with it: > # Signaling > > * Signal well before the intersection; make sure you are in proper > lane > position > * Left arm out and down with palm to the rear to indicate stopping > * Left or right arm straight out to indicate left or right turn > > Dave Minden > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected] > ] > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 2:08 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Dave Minden; 'Mark Clear'; 'bikies' > Subject: Re: [Bikies] Signaling a right turn with the right hand > > Thank you. And found this... > > 346.35 Method of giving signals on turning and stopping. Whenever a > stop or > turn signal is required by s. 346.34, such signal may in any event be > given > by a signal lamp or lamps of a type meeting the specifications set > forth in > s.347.15. Except as provided in s.347.15, such signals also may be > given by > the hand and arm in lieu of or in addition to signals by signal lamp. > When > given by hand and arm, such signals shall be given from the left side > of the > vehicle in the following manner and shall indicate as follows: > (1) Left turn-Hand and arm extended horizontally. (2) Right turn-Hand > and > arm extended upward. (3) Stop or decrease speed-Hand and arm extended > downward. > > > http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/safety/vehicle/bicycle/docs/bikelaws.pdf > > > pax, kel > > robert paolino writes: > > > On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 21:07 -0500, Dave Minden wrote: > >> My understanding is that several years ago it became legal if not > >> recommended for bicyclists to signal right turns with the right hand. > >> Remember, the original left hand for right turn was from when cars > >> were first made and did not have blinkers for signaling. Pretty outdated > now... > > > > Recommended?? I would think that the traditional right turn signal > > would be preferable both because it's the side a motorist is more > > likely to see, and because if I'm going to have only one hand on a > > brake, I'd rather it be the right hand if I need to use it. > > > > -- > > Now go have a beer, > > > > Bob Paolino > > > > "Are Canadians just Americans who carry hockey sticks instead of guns, > > or is there more to it than that?" > > --"This Canadian Existence" > > Wisconsin Public Radio > > > > ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign > > X against HTML e-mail: > > / \ Friends don't send friends HTML-bloated messages! > > > > A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > > Q: Why is top-posting frowned upon? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > > > -- > Mark N. 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