The BMW UUC Digest Volume 1 : Issue 63 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: speaking of M3's... Re: speaking of M3's... Re: speaking of M3's... Re: Pilot Alpin Re: E36 M3 Battery Q Re: E36 M3 Battery Q Re: E36 M3 Battery Q Re: speaking of M3's... Re: E36 M3 Battery Q Modena Natur Leather. Re: Modena Natur Leather. Re: Modena Natur Leather. Re: [uuc] Glasshouses Re: [uuc] Glasshouses F1 pinball game
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:03:54 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: speaking of M3's... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Alex wrote > > a very strange 97 M3 sedan auto > It ran through the auction, had about 101k > miles...it didn't crack $9k on the block. Ben responded with >> >> I bet that it would be a quick sale with that low a mileage >> to someone who wanted that color. Huh? I don't think 101k is low mileage. I am not saying that it won't go another 100k - 200k, I just wouldn't call it "low mileage". I agree, Modena leather. I am not a fan but it isn't "that bad". Regards, Rich - shocked at how cheap E36 M3s are going for, I might have to buy another one over a similarly priced E30 M3. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:06:25 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: speaking of M3's... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Rich wrote: > Alex wrote > > > a very strange 97 M3 sedan auto > > It ran through the auction, had about 101k > > miles...it didn't crack $9k on the block. > > Huh? I don't think 101k is low mileage. I am not > saying that it won't go another 100k - 200k, I just > wouldn't call it "low mileage". whoops - mis-read that as 10k rather than 101k. 101k is very typical mileage for a 6+ year old car, so nothing special. still, likely something that people who like the Modean leather would jump all over. I think perhaps only the strange Burnt Orangey color is more rare that this (Individual schemes excepted of course). Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:22:11 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: speaking of M3's... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Dec 19, 2003, at 10:06 AM, ben keyes wrote: > 101k is very typical mileage for a 6+ year old car, so > nothing special. still, likely something that people > who like the Modean leather would jump all over. > > I think perhaps only the strange Burnt Orangey color > is more rare that this (Individual schemes excepted > of course). That Burnt Orangey color *is* Modena Natur. I think it's supposed to be the same color that Ferrari uses. But IMHO it's way butt ugly. - Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:15:52 -0500 From: "chet.dawes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Pilot Alpin Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Greg, I have a set of PA2's (H-speed rated, second Pilot Alpin design 205/60-15) right now on my e36/5. I'm very happy with them. There is snow on the ground outside right now and although it's not too deep, it has been pretty slick outside the last few weeks. I've admittedly only had them for a short while (a few thousand miles over a couple of months). I've seen dry, rain, sleet, snow/ice with them and I'm amazed at the composure under ALL circumstances. I don't have a ton of experience with dedicated snow tires, but I do have a wide range of experience with all season and summer tires as I've lived/driven in true 4-season climates all my driving life. These definitely have the best snow/ice traction of any non-studded tire I've ever used. As a bonus, the ride is very quiet and smooth. We'll see how well they wear after the season is over I suppose, since the PA2 is new for Michelin this year...... All in all, I'd give them a very favorable review for confident traction and handling under all conditions experienced during winter months. I'm sure there are better true 'snow tires', but I doubt they would have the same dry/rain traction these do and that's 70% or more of my winter time driving conditions. My $0.02, Chet Dawes e36/5 318ti (supercharged) e46 323i >From: "Greg Pollock" >Subject: Pilot Alpine >Does anyone have experience with the Michelon Pilot Alpines for their winter >tires and what their experience was? Thanks. **************************************************************************************** Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and thus protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. **************************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:18:31 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 M3 Battery Q Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mario and Marco, I'm just curious, are your DieHard experiences with the old DieHards, or the new ones? Sears changed suppliers about 4 years ago. If you're describing what happened with the old supplier, to be fair, you should re-evaluate their batteries from the new supplier. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA 1990 325i w/ Interstate 1991 325iA w/ Interstate 1998 Dodge Durango w/ DieHard, because the "correct" Interstate would not work with the factory hold-down bracket >Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:24:35 -0500 >From: "Langsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: E36 M3 Battery Q >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Marco's example is perfect! Most of us who own our BMW's keep them longer >than the average American owns a car. That is ~ 3 - 4 years. Original >Equipment batteries last ~ 3 years with normal maintenance (that's none for >most!! ). Replace this and your car ownership period ends before the Die >Hard dies! Perfect for Sears, they sell them at a premium with a warranty >good only for the original purchaser. > >Disassemble a Die Hard and you can see the lower quality of the internals, >They just don't last. Grid plates, separators , and the positive and >negative plates are not precise. Materials are not pure. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:37:07 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36 M3 Battery Q Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Old ones for me. I don't feel like experimenting. If it ain't broke, don't fix it ;-) Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 M3 Battery Q Mario and Marco, I'm just curious, are your DieHard experiences with the old DieHards, or the new ones? Sears changed suppliers about 4 years ago. If you're describing what happened with the old supplier, to be fair, you should re-evaluate their batteries from the new supplier. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA 1990 325i w/ Interstate 1991 325iA w/ Interstate 1998 Dodge Durango w/ DieHard, because the "correct" Interstate would not work with the factory hold-down bracket >Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:24:35 -0500 >From: "Langsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: E36 M3 Battery Q >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Marco's example is perfect! Most of us who own our BMW's keep them longer >than the average American owns a car. That is ~ 3 - 4 years. Original >Equipment batteries last ~ 3 years with normal maintenance (that's none for >most!! ). Replace this and your car ownership period ends before the Die >Hard dies! Perfect for Sears, they sell them at a premium with a warranty >good only for the original purchaser. > >Disassemble a Die Hard and you can see the lower quality of the internals, >They just don't last. Grid plates, separators , and the positive and >negative plates are not precise. Materials are not pure. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:55:52 -0800 From: Herman Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 M3 Battery Q Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Time has come to replace my '98 M3 original battery (original? I don't see >any dates just serial numbers). The OE battery is a Group 92 battery, which is an odd size that is hard to find in the aftermarket. Your easiest option, if you wish to retain the original size, is likely to be the Douglas-manufactured replacement battery sold by the dealer. You could also try to obtain one from a Douglas distributor or a chain that stocks Douglas batteries. However, a Group 48/91 battery (as used in four-cyl E36's and Z's) will also fit with no problem, just use the alternative screw hole for the securing screw in the battery compartment. Application guides will not list this option for six-cyl E36s, but most people choose this route after having difficulty attempting to finding a cheaper aftermarket alternative to the dealer battery. Some 49/93 batteries may also fit, but that would require an exercise in trial-and-error. (E36 convertibles require a vibration-resistant battery, so they have their own set of challenges.) Note that a 48/91 battery is smaller in size, so you will give up some Reserve Capacity, but a powerful 48/91 can be commensurate with a larger 92 battery in terms of Cranking Amperage. Others may have their opinions, but I wouldn't consider the BMW Douglas battery; for MY taste, I've heard too many stories of premature failure and a substandard 2 year warranty, not to mention the higher price. Many people opt for a 48/91 battery, in the guise of the Interstate MTP-91, or the Diehard International 31248, made by Johnson Controls. It can also be found as the Energizer at Pep Boys. All three are made by JCI, in the ~$80-100 range, have good CA, and are widely available, with differing warranties depending on the brand label. Choose accordingly. The only caveat regarding this battery is to make sure you receive the accompanying vent hose adaptor kit, which is an extension that connects to the original BMW vent hose. In some cases, the total length may still be insufficient to reach the trunk floor grommet; if so, just replace the original hose with a longer section of tubing. Optima/AGM batteries are an interesting alternative, but would require a bit of adaptation to mount in the E36 battery compartment. JCI also supposedly makes an AGM-type battery for Mercedes, but in what I assume are more traditionally-shaped cases that would be an easier fit, but I have yet to explore that option. Whichever battery you choose, it is likely to come from the handful of battery makers in the industry (Exide, Douglas, JCI, Delco, etc.). The larger players are sold under many brand names (JCI=Optima/Interstate/Varta/etc.), and different lines of a particular brand (such as Diehard) may come from different suppliers. It's convoluted just like cars and nameplates. Herman PS- don't forget to look up your radio code if you still have the stock radio. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:41:31 -0000 From: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: speaking of M3's... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: " I was at the BMW financial sale on thursday and saw a very strange 97 M3 sedan auto. It was a sort of hunter green outside. I open the door and about fell over in shock. It was puke yellow leather with black accents and the same color carpet. It was very bright...probably best described as a mustard yellow. Was this color normally put inside some E36 M3's or was this a special order for a customer? " As Ben says it might have been Modena Natur, although IMHO that resembled the darker tan of the current Nature Brown you find in E46s. BMW made a couple of bright Montana leather interiors for the E36, including something called Saffron Yellow, which is definitely an English mustard colour. Saffron can look good with dark metallic blues, blacks and greys, but only when it's extremely clean. It's a bit bling for me. Andy T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:43:58 -0500 From: "Dave Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 M3 Battery Q Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just installed a new Bosch battery from Autozone in my 98 with 73k miles. About $75. Dave Kelley 98 M3/4 94 325i > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > I'm still running the factory original battery in my 97M3 with ~70K > miles. It gets an infusion of distilled water once in a while. I'm > expecting a Tango Uniform condition any day. What is/was the > collective wisdom on the Optima battery? > ______________________________________________________________________ > ____ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the > BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . > http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:04:48 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Modena Natur Leather. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ben: I doubt it was Modena Natur. That would make for some strange mustard and stranger puke! I like the classic colors myself (black, grey, dark grey, darker grey ...), but Modena is very nice. Ferrari certainly uses it to good effect. I also think it makes a good combo with black. Neil Deshpande *** ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Modena" leather IIRC. not really a bad color combination if you're into that sort of thing (I'm not). it wouldn't go well with anything other than green exterior tho I think. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:29:10 -0800 (PST) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Modena Natur Leather. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I like Modena Natur and one of the violets, Techno or Daytona. There's an E36 M3 around town that has this color combo, and it's very pretty. Getting the color combo I want is definitely something I would pay extra for in a new BMW. --Andre > ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "Modena" leather IIRC. not really a bad color > combination if you're into that sort of thing (I'm > not). it wouldn't go well with anything other than > green exterior tho I think. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:03:33 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Modena Natur Leather. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Dec 19, 2003, at 12:04 PM, Neil Deshpande wrote: > I like the classic colors myself (black, grey, dark > grey, darker grey ...), but Modena is very nice. > Ferrari certainly uses it to good effect. I also > think it makes a good combo with black. BMW's "Modena Natur" is not the same as Ferrari's classic tan leather color. The BMW leather is much more orange. It looks like a bad copy of Ferrari's. - Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:08:03 -0800 From: John Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Glasshouses Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I think the primary reason for the glass house shrinking is side impact > protection. Know I mentioned this previously in other locales, but...from the front seat of our E39s, with the seat set where I like it, I can see the ground just about 10ft in front of the car. In the E60 that distance is closer to 15ft. Taller, flatter hood. Don't much care for it, thanks. John. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:07:28 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Glasshouses Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Dec 19, 2003, at 1:08 PM, John Miller wrote: > Taller, flatter hood. Don't much care for it, thanks. > Get used to it. It's largely the result of pedestrian-protection regulations being phased in around the world. - Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:50:34 -0800 From: Greg Cagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: F1 pinball game Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For those who are into it, there is a very fine free F1 themed pinball game at: http://members.iinet.net.au/~cleathley/f1/ - Greg -- Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
