The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 24 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Re: Spark Plug Question Bosch plugs exploding Re: <rant> autoextremist on BMW Re: <rant> autoextremist on BMW Re: <rant> autoextremist on BMW Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Re: E46 Serpentine belt - help <Misc> CD Changer - No power
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:31:21 -0500 From: "Chris Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Can't tell you about the fold down seats, but the easiest thing to do on a car without them is to cut a couple of flaps in the trunk liner and just fold them back for access. Wouldn't even be noticed by the casual observer. It was also a bonus when I had to hire out the RSM replacement before the last DE when I was a last minute addition and didn't have time to do it myself. The shop only charged me half of the usual labor because of the flaps. Chris B. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Andy Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 4:18 PM To: UUC Digest Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Howdy, On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, Brett Anderson wrote: > Unless you have fold down rear seats. In which case, you don't need to pull > the speakers or the trunk lining. Really? Tell me more? All the procedures for rear shock mount replacement I've seen have said to take out the speakers... I'd _much_ rather not have to deal with that. This would be on a '93 325is w/fold down rear seat... Thanks! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:01:22 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding...... I did this in my E30 & these things come in & out in about 10 min per side. Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Baker > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 16:31 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Can't tell you about the fold down seats, but the easiest > thing to do on > a car without them is to cut a couple of flaps in the trunk liner and > just fold them back for access. Wouldn't even be noticed by > the casual > observer. > > It was also a bonus when I had to hire out the RSM replacement before > the last DE when I was a last minute addition and didn't have > time to do > it myself. The shop only charged me half of the usual labor > because of > the flaps. > > Chris B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Andy > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 4:18 PM > To: UUC Digest > Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Howdy, > > On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, Brett Anderson wrote: > > Unless you have fold down rear seats. In which case, you > don't need to > pull > > the speakers or the trunk lining. > > Really? > > Tell me more? All the procedures for rear shock mount > replacement I've > seen have said to take out the speakers... I'd _much_ rather > not have to > deal with that. > > This would be on a '93 325is w/fold down rear seat... > > Thanks! > > Mark > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:59:45 +0700 From: "Sean Cordone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >----- Original Message ----- >From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:27:36 -0800 (PST) >It's time to replace the shocks and struts on my 94 325ic. >At 106,000 miles I'm >sure the rear shock mounts are also in >need of replacement. My question is this: >The UUC tech >tips recommends using the E46 RSMs which are priced around >$18 each. >> Brian- I just put the OEM E46 RSMs on my E36 M3. Can't tell you about longevity benefits yet of course, but in my case (YMMV)I wouldn't upgrade just for convenient access. The trim comes out really easily, and I didn't need to remove the speakers (I have a sedan). I didn't even remove the wheels- just remove the shock mount nuts, then jack up the car and, working in the wheel well, loosen the shock nut, swap mounts, and lower the car, guiding the mount into position in the shock tower. Really quick job. --SC -- _____________________________________________________________ Web-based SMS services available at http://www.operamail.com. >From your mailbox to local or overseas cell phones. Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:46:28 -0500 From: "Chris Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you can get the lining out of the way, you can get to the RSMs. With the flaps I cut in the lining I don't need to remove the speakers. There isn't a ton of room there, but access is not an issue. I have a '94 with the deep speakers. Chris B. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 4:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Brett Anderson Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -----Original Message----- > > Worse yet, to replace OE RSM you need to peel the trunk lining. > > For some cars with large rear speakers (all '95 M3s, others), > > those need to come out as well. Royal PITA. > > HTH, > > alex f > "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Unless you have fold down rear seats. In which case, you don't > need to pull the speakers or the trunk lining. Brett, Hate to argue with you, but I do have rear fold down seats in my '95 M3. The rear speakers sit right on the RSM location. I could peel the carpet lining from the side of the seats, but there is no way I'm getting to the RSMs with the speakers in place. I presume with shallower speakers in '96+ cars, the rear fold down seats could make life easier with peeling the lining. Still no picnic. alex f ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:58:41 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Spark Plug Question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Scott, Pre-detonation or improper installation or thermal shock. Just one plug? -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:22:27 -0800 From: "Michael Andre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bmwuucdigest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Bosch plugs exploding Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This has happened so many times to me and many others that I just don't use Bosch plugs in my M20 or S38. I have just assumed the plugs themselves were substandard. But perhaps as my motors carbon up with age and compression is higher (definitely the case BTW) the Bosch can't handle it. I switched to NGK in both cars and have never had a problem since. NGK ZGR5A in the M20, DVR8EI in the M5 (a real oddball plug), which seems to love the colder plug. Mike Andre ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:50:32 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <rant> autoextremist on BMW Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What I find more disturbing than how the new cars *look,* though, > is how corpulent and complex they have become, Scott, What do you mean complex? Motronic/ABS/DSC? All good stuff that makes cars run quicker, stop more consistently and stay on the road. The technological improvements leading to increase in power set modern cars head and shoulders above the offerings that made BMW famous. Old cars' simplicity was both wasteful on the natural resources and acceptable on slow low-tech cars. Can you imagine a 200-400 engine in an old spongy frame riding on POS radial tires? Piloted by an average Joe? I'm betting that car-driver combination would have an expected lifespan of a week. Hack, I would not want my wife to drive a 200+ HP car even on the best tires if the car did not have some rudimentary traction control! Corpulence is another matter. There is a long tradition of 'growing' the car models in the industry. Today's 3 is the size of yesterday's 5. So we are getting a 1-series to fill in the gap. Not sure what the marketing eagles will call a new model line when 1 grows in size to where the 3s are today, but I'm sure they'll think of something. > and how IMO they are straying from being "ultimate driving machines." How so? What is the 'ultimate driving machine' of today? Just don't tell me that a 2002 or a motel-T are "it". ;-) > That's what seems like "brand erosion" to me. You'll need to explicitly define your concepts. That is if we are going to have a dialog on the subject. The alternative is to moan and groan about the technological and esthetical development. The processes that always have early and late adopters. With the latter complaining to no end. *yawn* > Then again, at more than twice your age, maybe I'm just getting > crotchety. ;-) no comment. IMHO, alex f ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:16:01 -0600 From: "Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <rant> autoextremist on BMW Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ok, I guess I was a little vague, and your points are well taken. Having lived through the 60's and 70's, I certainly don't want to go back. But I wasn't referring to engine and drivetrain (though I might change my mind if I someday pay for a vanos pack out of warranty) or suspension -- I was referring to the host of gadgets and techno-goodies that relate to "luxury" or convenience and not performance. Complex HVAC systems, seats with a million electric motors, etc. Most of that I would not miss. I don't want a living room with wheels. And yes, ABS and DSC are nice (though my DSC is much too intrusive), but it seems that as more of these technologies are layered on (eg active steering??), that familiar BMW "connectedness" to the road diminishes. Maybe on balance it's a good thing, but I still find it a little sad. I still like using a clutch, too. :) rss >"Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > What I find more disturbing than how the new cars *look,* though, > > is how corpulent and complex they have become, > >Scott, >What do you mean complex? >Motronic/ABS/DSC? All good stuff that makes cars run quicker, stop more >consistently and stay on the road. >The technological improvements leading to increase in power set modern cars >head and shoulders above the offerings that made BMW famous. Old cars' >simplicity was both wasteful on the natural resources and acceptable on >slow low-tech cars. Can you imagine a 200-400 engine in an old spongy frame >riding on POS radial tires? Piloted by an average Joe? I'm betting that >car-driver combination would have an expected lifespan of a week. >Hack, I would not want my wife to drive a 200+ HP car even on the best >tires if the car did not have some rudimentary traction control! > >Corpulence is another matter. There is a long tradition of 'growing' the >car models in the industry. Today's 3 is the size of yesterday's 5. So we >are getting a 1-series to fill in the gap. Not sure what the marketing >eagles will call a new model line when 1 grows in size to where the 3s are >today, but I'm sure they'll think of something. > > > and how IMO they are straying from being "ultimate driving machines." > >How so? >What is the 'ultimate driving machine' of today? >Just don't tell me that a 2002 or a motel-T are "it". ;-) > > > That's what seems like "brand erosion" to me. > >You'll need to explicitly define your concepts. >That is if we are going to have a dialog on the subject. >The alternative is to moan and groan about the technological and esthetical >development. The processes that always have early and late adopters. With >the latter complaining to no end. >*yawn* > > > Then again, at more than twice your age, maybe I'm just getting > > crotchety. > >;-) >no comment. > >IMHO, >alex f > > _________________________________________________________________ Optimize your Internet experience to the max with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:03:51 -0500 From: "GA Carnut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <rant> autoextremist on BMW Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >My first reaction to the steering feedback was this >car drives like a Honda Accord. The car felt light at >its feet compared to the e30 and e36. So there. My 2 >cents. Funny you should say that - every time I see a 530i or 545i on the highway, the thought "What is that" goes through my mind. Without fail, it goes in this order: 1. Ahh, new Saab sedan. Nope. 2. Ahh, new Accord sedan. Nope, again. 3. New 5-er? Hmm... Then I usually pass 'em and head on - I drive my 528e flat out (have to), they are usually put-putting along... Chip Mautz '65 Austin Healey Sprite '88 BMW 528e '03 Chevy Suburban I didn't grow up - my toys just got more expensive. Your mileage may vary. My odometer broke years ago... _________________________________________________________________ Find great local high-speed Internet access value at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:14:25 -0800 From: Roger Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't know 1st hand if the coupe is that different from the sedan, but I've never removed the speakers in my sedan to change the RSM's. Just the liner. And, with a couple minor slits added to the liner to permit easier folding next time, it will be a much simpler job. No, the slits are not visible after the liner is put back in either. -- Roger Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Brett, >Hate to argue with you, but I do have rear fold down seats in my '95 M3. >The rear speakers sit right on the RSM location. I could peel the carpet >lining from the side of the seats, but there is no way I'm getting to the >RSMs with the speakers in place. > >I presume with shallower speakers in '96+ cars, the rear fold down seats >could make life easier with peeling the lining. Still no picnic. > >alex f > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:21:47 -0500 From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Or have a convertible. The RSMs are accessible from the convertible top well. The only thing I'll need to remove is the 2 plastic caps that cover the access holes. Brian Brett Anderson wrote: >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Unless you have fold down rear seats. In which case, you don't need to pull >the speakers or the trunk lining. > >Brett Anderson >KMS > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>Worse yet, to replace OE RSM you need to peel the trunk lining. For some >>cars with large rear speakers (all '95 M3s, others), those need >>to come out >>as well. Royal PITA. >>HTH, >>alex f >> >> > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.573 / Virus Database: 363 - Release Date: 1/28/2004 > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:32:07 -0500 From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Tell me more? All the procedures for rear shock mount replacement I've > seen have said to take out the speakers... I'd _much_ rather not have to > deal with that. > > This would be on a '93 325is w/fold down rear seat... Fold down the rear seat. Grab the side bolster at the top and pull to release it from it's retaining clip. Remove the side bolster. Pull the trunk lining away from the opening, behind where the side bolster sits. There's your shock mount. The speaker can make it a little awkward to get the trunk trim out of the way, but in the 9 or so years since the E36 got fold down seats, I've never had to remove a speaker. Brett Anderson KMS --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.573 / Virus Database: 363 - Release Date: 1/28/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:22:59 -0500 From: "Mike Gambini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've done them this way twice--a little tight for big hands but easier than pulling the trunk liner out. MikeG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement > Fold down the rear seat. Grab the side bolster at the top and pull to > release it from it's retaining clip. > Remove the side bolster. > Pull the trunk lining away from the opening, behind where the side bolster > sits. > There's your shock mount. > > The speaker can make it a little awkward to get the trunk trim out of the > way, but in the 9 or so years since the E36 got fold down seats, I've never > had to remove a speaker. > > Brett Anderson > KMS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:12:51 -0500 From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E46 Serpentine belt - help Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brett Anderson wrote: >So you suppose your original tensioner pulley had exploded? Given that the >M50 has always used the same tensioner pulley, albeit on different styles of >tensioner. > No, I don't suppose that the tensioner pulley exploded. If it did, it left no evidence of ever having existed. Besides that, the bearing that was on the tensioner is larger than the bearing on the new tensioner pulley but smaller than the pulley on the new tensioner. There is nothing resembling the bearing retainer plate on the new assembly. The old tensioner pulley was held on by a hex bolt, not a torx bolt like the new one. The new tensioner doesn't leave sufficient room between its pulley and the idler pulley to get the belt between them without putting pressure on the tensioner, this was previously not the case. Maybe what was on my car isn't what belonged there, but if not it worked OK for the 40K miles I've owned the car. The part number on the old tensioner is 11 28 1 735 899. Is that the correct part number? Even if it is the parts that were on the pulley shaft could have been installed by the PO. >AND, the pulley is available separately, although changing the >tensioner was probably a smart move anyway. > > I think you're right about that. The guy at the parts counter said it was available as a complete assembly only. I took his word for it since I checked a few online parts catalogs and didn't find anything that resembled what was there. Now that I'm looking for something that resembles the pulley on the new tensioner I recognize it. In any case I couldn't afford to be without the car and miss another day of work while I waited for a part they didn't have in stock. Didn't make any sense to lose even an hour's pay to save the $40 difference although I will have a word with the parts guy next time I'm there, that is, if I go back. >Also, to install the tensioner assembly, all you had to do was pin it in the >fully retracted position to get to the bolts. > > Nope, I tried that. Still couldn't get a straight shot at the bolt head. The tensioner arm was in the way of the lower bolt across it's full range of motion. On the other hand, I'm sure my modest collection of tools is far from what you have at your disposal. Maybe if I had a shorter socket, or a lower-profile ratchet, or just the right u-joint, etc. Thanks, Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:53:08 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: <Misc> CD Changer - No power Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have an early model CD changer (93 325i) that has no power. I can trace power past the fuse and into the connector to the board inside the changer, but the unit does not power up. Any obvious ideas before I pitch changer #2 in the trash? The first one faioled after ejecting cartridges across the trunk for a while. Not sure if I'll go aftermarket or explore adapting a portable MP3 player to the head unit at the changer connector. Thanks, Marc Plante E36 325i, 218k Vienna, VA ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
