The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 33 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: <E30> Ideas on 16 inch wheels for 325 <E30> Ideas on 16 inch wheels for 325 Need eyes in Louisville, KY for informal "PPI" My 318is and stealers Re: <E30> Ideas on 16 inch wheels for 325 Re: [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) Re: <E46> Boston Area Mechanic? WTB e36 325 sway bars Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Re: Where again? Re: <E36> Worst Job (was Front Door Handle R&R)
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:28:42 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E30> Ideas on 16 inch wheels for 325 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:50:06 -0500 >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: <E30> Ideas on 16 inch wheels for 325 >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >A friend is interested in putting 16 inch wheels on his E30 325. He >likes the Kosei K-1s, but apparently they don't make any in an offset >that works with the E30. > >Any ideas from the list? > >Thanks, > >Kirk Lachman >Sin City Chapter Kirk, the Tire Rack is showing a bunch of different 16 inch wheels, ranging in price from $109 to $469 each. http://www.tirerack.com/upgrade_garage/WheelSearch.jsp?changeColor=Choose+Color&filterSize=16&filterFinish=&filterSpecial=Pricing&autoMake=BMW&autoModel=325e&autoModClar=&autoYear=1986 Or the tiny kind: http://tinyurl.com/2a3nm Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA Real good at stating the obvious, I'm sure there is something I'm missing here... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:05:41 -0800 From: "Michael Andre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bmwuucdigest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: <E30> Ideas on 16 inch wheels for 325 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> With no other criteria to go on, you could check out Hartge for some rather nice 16s at an almost-affordable price. They had the nicer old style spoke wheels on closeout a while ago for about $300 per pair. Alpina also has correct 16s for $$$. Mike A riding on 15s http://www.hartge.de/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:35:07 -0500 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Need eyes in Louisville, KY for informal "PPI" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey folks, I'm hoping someone in the Louisville, KY area has time in the coming days to inspect and maybe test-drive a car for me. To save bandwidth, please email me off-line if you might be willing and able help. TIA. Jay Herrick 1993 BMW 325is 1995 VW GTi VR6 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:35:49 -0800 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: My 318is and stealers Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My new (to me) '91 318is, after over 150K miles of San Diego potholes and numerous autox and DE finally broke her steering rack. Brought it to my trusty independent BMW repair shop the other day for diagnosis. New OEM rack costs around $650 plus labor of course. They didn't want to settle for what is expensive so he shopped around for other alternatives. (Do all shops do that?) He finally calls me earlier today and tells me that he found a new rack with a lifetime warranty and after installation, (and it's all done BTW) it would only cost me $495. The end of the world is here, I tell you. This isn't supposed to happen! I wonder how much cheaper it would have been with the dealer? Happy in SD Pingger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:39:10 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E30> Ideas on 16 inch wheels for 325 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Alpina made some nice 16's in 7's and 8's but they're usually a bit pricey*. IIRC you can get those 6-spoke Borbets in a 16", but I don't think they make them anymore. another favorite is the uber-expensive 3-piece BBS RS'es. there are also BBS RC's in 16" x 7.5" 35mm offset & 4x100 but they're pretty rare as well as being pricey. I think I've also seen BBS RX'es in 16" & 4x100 as well. also, I wouldn't rule out the Kosei's as one could add spacers and have them work out fine if the correct lugs were added as well. you'd want around 24-27mm of offset for a 7" wheel with a normal width tire. I suspect there are various other FWD offset wheels which would work with spacers. one thing which makes 16's a bit annoying is that you are very limited in the tires which are available, assuming you want to fit as much tire as possible under the car, as 225/45-16 is the biggest which will fit, but they're not available in many brands. Ben *I have a set of 16" x 7" Alpinas which I need to sell, just have to rustle up the center caps which I seem to have stuffed somewhere "safe" in my garage and have to find... Kirk wrote: > A friend is interested in putting 16 inch wheels on his E30 > 325. He likes the Kosei K-1s, but apparently they don't > make any in an offset that works with the E30. > > Any ideas from the list? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:42:20 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Brush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:58:28 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: <E46> Boston Area Mechanic? Gruppe: My brother wants to have his E46 323i serviced. SNIP Neil I have used Brentwood Motorcars in Brighton for about 5 years, for my E34. They have been honest and quite competent, not cheap but you get what you pay for. They have been willing to install my parts without a whimper when I've sourced them myself to save me some $$ (usually OE parts like muffler system). It's a small shop, speak with Chuck or Henry, he can mention my name FWIW. They are friendly and good to deal with. http://www.brentwoodmotorcars.com I have heard good things about Autobahn in ?Natick? but no personal experience. Your brother is welcome to contact me directly with any questions. Jon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:10:08 -0500 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <E46> Boston Area Mechanic? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Neil wrote: >My brother wants to have his E46 323i serviced. Required items are: 1. Control arms 2. Rear shock mounts 3. Inspection II 4. Possibly an ignition coil (missing a bit from what he says on the phone) Any recommendations on independents/shops that would be reasonable. Bottom dollar is not what he's looking for, just someone who is honest and wants to develop a long-term customer. He's looking to buy an E38 shortly and will likely use this garage for it as well. _____________ FWIW, I have been quite happy with Dan Maynard and company at 3D Autoworks in Hudson, NH. It's a bit of a schlepp from downtown Boston, but quite easy if one lives North or West of the city. He is an active sponsor of the BMW CCA (NH Chapter), and is usually found at track events. (603) 882-3400 http://www.3dautoworks.com/ Alternatively, here's a list from the Boston Chapter: http://www.boston-bmwcca.org/friends/service.asp vty, --Dennis DISCLAIMER: I have no pecuniary interest this company, no financial gain will accrue to me, remove tag under penalty of law, do not wash with colors, place your seatbacks and trays in their full and upright positions, etc. . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:04:43 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Turgeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UUC�List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: WTB e36 325 sway bars Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gruppe: I am looking for: 15mm rear sway bar from e36 325 after 6/92 or 328 and 17mm rear sway bar from e36 325 before 6/92 or any other appropriate car Please contact me off list. TIA, Mike #41 ITS __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:30:14 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hidden between the words I wrote was the suggestion that a lateral brace is not useful. Also, not all cars are exactly the same width. As Rich noted, the reinforcements may be useful for very stiffly valved shocks with stiff mounts. All loads from the shocks are up and down. There is no side load for the brace. Perhaps a large X behind the seats will stiffen the whole body shell, but any car with a solid bulkhead won't need even that. Gary Derian > > Gary.. > You are right. There should be a diagonal bar > applying the force inward towards the center. > I will pass the info along to the shop and this may > be just the 1st gen prototype.. > > Will > --- Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Search the > > > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > The loads are applied at the top, why does the round > > brace go to the bottom? Is any side load applied at > > the top that needs bracing? > > > > Gary Derian > > > > --- willie yeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Search the > > > > > > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > Here is the link for the prototype rear strut bar > > > which is meant to be used with solid mounts. Sorry > > > for > > > any confusion if anyone concluded from my previous > > > mail that it will work on street cars.. > > > > > > http://www.sbibmw.com/pics/sbi/rearbar/ > > > > > > > > > --- Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Search the > > > > > > > > > > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 17, 2004, at 10:14 AM, > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >> I have seen the prototype. He is planing to > > > sell > > > > it for under > > > > >> $200. I will try to post a picture of the > > > product > > > > when it > > > > >> becomes available. > > > > > > > > > > Please include the picture of the new boat > > your > > > > mechanic is planning to > > > > > finance with this 'product'. > > > > > > > > That is an entirely reasonable price for a > > > > combination rear shock tower > > > > bar and permanent RSM setup. > > > > > > > > Whether or not the car actually needs a rear bar > > > is > > > > another question > > > > entirely. > > > > > > > > But the pricing is dead-on. > > > > > > > > - Mark > > > > E36 325is JP/A5 #117, welded-in rear strut > > bar, > > > > GC RSMs > > > > ----- > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, > > enthusiast, > > > > founder of the BMW CCA. > > > > > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > > > > home of the Ultimate > > > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you > > want. > > > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > > > founder of the BMW CCA. > > > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > > > home of the Ultimate > > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > > founder of the BMW CCA. > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > > home of the Ultimate > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:38:32 -0800 (PST) From: willie yeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The is no question triangulated bracing will stiffen the chassis a lot more. Only if one has the liberty to do so. Once again I personally have no use for one and does not represent the product except to try to generate interest for the product of behalf of the shop I patronized. Having experienced a stiffen chassis with a rollbar, nothing short of that will suffice for now.. --- Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Hidden between the words I wrote was the suggestion > that a lateral brace is > not useful. Also, not all cars are exactly the same > width. As Rich noted, > the reinforcements may be useful for very stiffly > valved shocks with stiff > mounts. > > All loads from the shocks are up and down. There is > no side load for the > brace. Perhaps a large X behind the seats will > stiffen the whole body > shell, but any car with a solid bulkhead won't need > even that. > > Gary Derian > > > > > Gary.. > > You are right. There should be a diagonal bar > > applying the force inward towards the center. > > I will pass the info along to the shop and this > may > > be just the 1st gen prototype.. > > > > Will > > --- Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Search the > > > > > > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > The loads are applied at the top, why does the > round > > > brace go to the bottom? Is any side load > applied at > > > the top that needs bracing? > > > > > > Gary Derian > > > > > > --- willie yeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Search the > > > > > > > > > > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the link for the prototype rear strut > bar > > > > which is meant to be used with solid mounts. > Sorry > > > > for > > > > any confusion if anyone concluded from my > previous > > > > mail that it will work on street cars.. > > > > > > > > http://www.sbibmw.com/pics/sbi/rearbar/ > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Search the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 17, 2004, at 10:14 AM, > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > >> I have seen the prototype. He is planing > to > > > > sell > > > > > it for under > > > > > >> $200. I will try to post a picture of the > > > > product > > > > > when it > > > > > >> becomes available. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please include the picture of the new boat > > > your > > > > > mechanic is planning to > > > > > > finance with this 'product'. > > > > > > > > > > That is an entirely reasonable price for a > > > > > combination rear shock tower > > > > > bar and permanent RSM setup. > > > > > > > > > > Whether or not the car actually needs a rear > bar > > > > is > > > > > another question > > > > > entirely. > > > > > > > > > > But the pricing is dead-on. > > > > > > > > > > - Mark > > > > > E36 325is JP/A5 #117, welded-in rear > strut > > > bar, > > > > > GC RSMs > > > > > ----- > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, > > > enthusiast, > > > > > founder of the BMW CCA. > > > > > > > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning > and > > > > > home of the Ultimate > > > > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > > > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you > > > want. > > > > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, > enthusiast, > > > > founder of the BMW CCA. > > > > > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning > and > > > > home of the Ultimate > > > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, > enthusiast, > > > founder of the BMW CCA. > > > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > > > home of the Ultimate > > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you > want. > > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:04:09 -0800 From: "J. Ochi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Somehow, I don't see this as being suitable for anything except a street car. If you have a track car, you're going to tie the roll cage into the rear shock towers anyway - might was well just add a side-to-side brace into your roll cage, and brace it down to the subframe attachment points. If you have a track-only car without a cage (or at least a roll bar), I think you're just fooling yourself. For autocrossing, if you're playing by SCCA rules, I think this bar is protestable as illegal. Rules for Street Touring, Street Prepared, and Street Modified say that "Strut bars may be mounted only transversely across the car from upper right to upper left suspension mounting point and from lower right to lower left suspension mounting point. No other configuration is permitted." - the bar in your picture looks like it's designed to bolt onto the top and the side of the shock tower, making it illegal. If it doesn't bolt to the side of the shock tower, then I'd question the utility of the two braces that triangulate the ends. There are also the points that everyone else brought up - this gadget won't do anything at all to correct the normal failure mode of the stock RSM (the rubber tears away from the inner bushing). The shock towers don't move very much because all they do is support the shock absorber - they don't support the subframe and don't serve to locate any of the rear suspension geometry. Besides, there's quite a bit of structure around there anyway, with the subframe below the floor, and the package shelf right above (and the box beam built into the bottom of the package shelf). Personally, I spent the <30 bucks for the Z3 reinforcement plates, put in the GC RSMs, and called it done... Jim Ochi At 12:19 PM 2/19/2004, willie yeo wrote: >Rich. > I personally would not be interested since the usable >boot space will be reduced. > >--- "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Here is the link for the prototype rear strut bar > > > which is meant to be used with solid mounts. Sorry > > for > > > any confusion if anyone concluded from my previous > > > mail that it will work on street cars.. > > > > > > http://www.sbibmw.com/pics/sbi/rearbar/ > > > > My confusion wasn't about whether it would work on a > > street car or not (it appears this brace would work > > on a street car by the way), but that you had > > originally said > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:14:56 -0500 From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -----Original Message----- > Somehow, I don't see this as being suitable for anything except a street > car. If you have a track car, you're going to tie the roll cage into the > rear shock towers anyway - might was well just add a side-to-side brace > into your roll cage, and brace it down to the sub frame attachment > points. That depends on class. Only the most modified classes of most race series' allow the roll cage to be tied to the suspension points. Brett Anderson KMS --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.573 / Virus Database: 363 - Release Date: 1/28/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:07:21 -0800 From: "J. Ochi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36 Rear Shock Mount Replacement Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 11:42 AM 2/19/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >"Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just don't thing rear strut braces are of any value at all. > >Common, Rich, >Don't be so negative. >I bet it offers tremendous value to the seller! Remember, it also adds downforce to the rear of the car equivalent to the weight of the brace... :-) Jim Ochi ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2004 23:23:38 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Where again? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bosch wiper blade refills: BMW part no. 61-61-1-470-281 List is about $13.80 per pair, and I think that part number is for a pair. They are 24 inches long. You install them, then cut to length. This is the kind that uses two metal strips. I got a pair at a dealer earlier this week. Curt Ingraham 72 2002tii Oakland, CA Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK guys, where again are the sources for the Bosch wiper blade refills? > Not the whole blade just the refills. > > Grassyass, > > -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:49:58 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <E36> Worst Job (was Front Door Handle R&R) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 2/19/04 2:47 PM, "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree that it could have been designed differently, but it's not even > close to the worst job to do on these cars. OK Brett, we'll bite! What is the worst - in the sense of stupidly and unnecessarily so - job on the E36? Replacing the old-style E36 starter with the loose nut might be one candidate. Neil - enquiring minds want to know 96 M3 ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
