The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 7 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Motorsport Flags Anyone? Re: Motorsport Flags Anyone? Re: Motorsport Flags Anyone? Re: X5 vs. Audi Allroad Re: X5 vs. Audi Allroad Re: X5 vs. Audi Allroad Re: X5 vs. Audi Allroad Re: X5 vs. Audi Allroad Re: X5 vs. Audi Allroad Re: X5 vs. Audi Allroad Shock & strut insert interchangeability Re: Warsteiner (Was Bangle article) Re: Warsteiner (Was Bangle article) Re: Allroad...not ground clearance Who was asking about a mid-life crisis car?????
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:25:55 -0800 From: Peter Guagenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: BMW 3 Series Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Motorsport Flags Anyone? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As a simple artwork addition to my M3 racer, I am having a set of the LTW-style motorsports flags produced. I had these on the car once before, but an ill-fated day at Thunderhill left me having to repaint my car. The flags are a replica of the ones that came on the M3 Lightweight, but are in a single color. I have them in silver on my black car, which looks very cool. Like the bad-guy version of the lightweight ;-) I already paid for the reproduction of the artwork (which was far from cheap), and now it's just the cost to cut the vinyl. If anyone would like a set of these flags for their car, they will be available for $100/set. Just tell me the color and they're yours. The flags can be used on any car -- we had them on the Bavaria we ran in Targa, I've seen them on E46's, E30's, etc. You can see pics of the flags at: http://www.guagenti.com/Flags-Front.jpg http://www.guagenti.com/Flags-Rear.jpg http://www.guagenti.com/Flags-Side.jpg E-mail me if you're interested. If we get enough quantity (5-10, 10+) I should be able to talk the sign shop down on the cost. -peter*g ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:27:44 -0600 From: Josie Babin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: BMW 3 Series Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Motorsport Flags Anyone? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Those look great! I take it they're permanent once applied? Can they be made in any color? Josie > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > As a simple artwork addition to my M3 racer, I am having a set of the > LTW-style motorsports flags produced. I had these on the car once before, > but an ill-fated day at Thunderhill left me having to repaint my car. > > The flags are a replica of the ones that came on the M3 Lightweight, but are > in a single color. I have them in silver on my black car, which looks very > cool. Like the bad-guy version of the lightweight ;-) > > I already paid for the reproduction of the artwork (which was far from > cheap), and now it's just the cost to cut the vinyl. If anyone would like a > set of these flags for their car, they will be available for $100/set. Just > tell me the color and they're yours. The flags can be used on any car -- we > had them on the Bavaria we ran in Targa, I've seen them on E46's, E30's, > etc. > > You can see pics of the flags at: > > http://www.guagenti.com/Flags-Front.jpg > http://www.guagenti.com/Flags-Rear.jpg > http://www.guagenti.com/Flags-Side.jpg > > E-mail me if you're interested. If we get enough quantity (5-10, 10+) I > should be able to talk the sign shop down on the cost. > > -peter*g > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com -- M. Josephine Babin Neurobiology, Morbidly Obese Glow-Mouse Division Pennington Biomedical Research Center 6400 Perkins Rd. Baton Rouge, LA 70808 (225) 763 3121 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:57:30 -0800 (PST) From: willie yeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Motorsport Flags Anyone? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> what color goes well with Dakar Yellow? I'm interested. --- Peter Guagenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > As a simple artwork addition to my M3 racer, I am > having a set of the > LTW-style motorsports flags produced. I had these on > the car once before, > but an ill-fated day at Thunderhill left me having > to repaint my car. > > The flags are a replica of the ones that came on the > M3 Lightweight, but are > in a single color. I have them in silver on my black > car, which looks very > cool. Like the bad-guy version of the lightweight > ;-) > > I already paid for the reproduction of the artwork > (which was far from > cheap), and now it's just the cost to cut the vinyl. > If anyone would like a > set of these flags for their car, they will be > available for $100/set. Just > tell me the color and they're yours. The flags can > be used on any car -- we > had them on the Bavaria we ran in Targa, I've seen > them on E46's, E30's, > etc. > > You can see pics of the flags at: > > http://www.guagenti.com/Flags-Front.jpg > http://www.guagenti.com/Flags-Rear.jpg > http://www.guagenti.com/Flags-Side.jpg > > E-mail me if you're interested. If we get enough > quantity (5-10, 10+) I > should be able to talk the sign shop down on the > cost. > > -peter*g > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:03:50 -0800 From: "John Kjos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: X5 vs. Audi Allroad Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bora & Group, The AllRoad is being discussed as the original question was about an AllRoad. Believe me, out here in Oregon, they are very popular. I guess lots of people care about the clearance. Also, they have a wider stance and stronger engine than the A6. I personally prefer the lower stance as you do. John Kjos '99 540i/6: Dinan S (Quaife Diff Next) '01 525iTa: Stock Portland, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bora Akyol (BMW)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] X5 vs. Audi Allroad > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > What is the point of buying an allroad when you can get a > regular Audi A6 wagon. Yeah, the allroad has more ground > clearance but really who cares. > > And yes, I will take an Audi A6 wagon over an X5 anyday. > More cargo room, better looking and better handling. Better interior > too. > > BMW please go back to making light, nimble and well-handling sports cars. > > Bora > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:11:19 -0800 From: "Bora Akyol (BMW)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: X5 vs. Audi Allroad Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I thought Subaru Legacy was the official car of Oregon :-) I think the allroad looks cool when compared to an A6, but I would rather have an S6 Avant. On 1/29/04 20:03, "John Kjos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Bora & Group, > > The AllRoad is being discussed as the original question was about an > AllRoad. Believe me, out here in Oregon, they are very popular. I guess lots > of people care about the clearance. Also, they have a wider stance and > stronger engine than the A6. I personally prefer the lower stance as you do. > > John Kjos > '99 540i/6: Dinan S (Quaife Diff Next) > '01 525iTa: Stock > Portland, OR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:26:48 -0800 From: Greg Cagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: X5 vs. Audi Allroad Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Not any more - I see a LOT of WRXs around Portland. - Greg Bora Akyol (BMW) said the following on 1/29/2004 8:11 PM: > I thought Subaru Legacy was the official car of Oregon :-) -- Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:18:17 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: X5 vs. Audi Allroad Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Out of curiosity, where in this civilized country are there popular driving zones where such ground clearance is required? Is there some random nature activist terrorism where impressionable students from Oregon State are moving boulders and tree stumps into the middle of Main Street? But I've got an open mind. Convince me that there are more than two types of driving requirements requiring one or the other vehicle: 1) Serious off-roading with major ground clearance, chassis and side plates, and preferably a chase vehicle or at least a 2-day food supply packed in the back. 2) All other regular-height vehicles. The AllRoad doesn't fall into category #1, and I made it through several deep snowstorms with a low-slung SVX. My high-riding Nissan pickup only gets to exploit it's ground clearance when I choose to tackle the snow mounds that the snowplow left on the sde of the road long before I woke up. Make mine the S4 Avant any day. - Rob ---- Original Message ---- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >The AllRoad is being discussed as the original question was about an >AllRoad. Believe me, out here in Oregon, they are very popular. I >guess lots >of people care about the clearance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:06:06 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: X5 vs. Audi Allroad Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ---- Original Message ---- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Rob, >I think you're directing this to me. OK. Only indirectly... >1. Who said Oregon was civilized? That is not our opinion out here. He saw the shot, he took it! >2. Many out here frequent the mountains EVERY weekend. It rains like >hell in >Portland. Guess what's going on in the mountains. >3. The tree huggers do create road blocks from time to time. Well, that answers it. "Off road" in NJ means Newark. >You can have your cramped little S4. I'll take a RS6. We have one that visits UUC from time to time. Damn fine exhaust note, beautiful car. > Hey, I LUV your shifter even if you haven't been to Oregon (or you would >not call it civilized). You were the one that confirmed the civilation status! ;-) If you like the shifter, just wait until the big beans get spilled in February... - Rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:40:48 -0800 From: "John Kjos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: X5 vs. Audi Allroad Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Rob, I think you're directing this to me. OK. 1. Who said Oregon was civilized? That is not our opinion out here. 2. Many out here frequent the mountains EVERY weekend. It rains like hell in Portland. Guess what's going on in the mountains. 3. The tree huggers do create road blocks from time to time. You can have your cramped little S4. I'll take a RS6. Hey, I LUV your shifter even if you haven't been to Oregon (or you would not call it civilized). John Kjos '99 540i/6: Dinan S (Quaife Diff Next) '01 525iTa: Stock Portland, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Levinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] X5 vs. Audi Allroad > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Out of curiosity, where in this civilized country are there popular > driving zones where such ground clearance is required? Is there some > random nature activist terrorism where impressionable students from > Oregon State are moving boulders and tree stumps into the middle of > Main Street? > > But I've got an open mind. Convince me that there are more than two > types of driving requirements requiring one or the other vehicle: > > 1) Serious off-roading with major ground clearance, chassis and side > plates, and preferably a chase vehicle or at least a 2-day food > supply packed in the back. > > 2) All other regular-height vehicles. > > The AllRoad doesn't fall into category #1, and I made it through > several deep snowstorms with a low-slung SVX. My high-riding Nissan > pickup only gets to exploit it's ground clearance when I choose to > tackle the snow mounds that the snowplow left on the sde of the road > long before I woke up. > > Make mine the S4 Avant any day. > > - Rob > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >The AllRoad is being discussed as the original question was about an > >AllRoad. Believe me, out here in Oregon, they are very popular. I > >guess lots > >of people care about the clearance. > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:36:26 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bmw list) Subject: Re: X5 vs. Audi Allroad Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From Rob Levinson > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Out of curiosity, where in this civilized country are there popular >driving zones where such ground clearance is required? Worcester MA. There are a number of roads around my apartment that are only paved in the sense that the remaining pieces of pavement aproximate a paved road. I have bottomed out my E30 in the "pot holes" in some of these roads. I buckled a 14 inch bottle cap last year on RT 9. RT 9, by the way isn't some small back road. Two lanes in either direction, runs from Worcester to Boston. The best road approaching my apartment has variations in height of better than a foot. Don't go any faster than 20MPH or you get to test the bump stops. >Is there some >random nature activist terrorism where impressionable students from >Oregon State are moving boulders and tree stumps into the middle of >Main Street? Nope, just lack of maintainance. We have overgrowth of better than an entire lane, pits in the road, general lumpiness and patchwort paving. This is in one of the major Massachusetts cities too. -- Joe -- Joseph M. Krzeszewski Network Operations [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack of All Trades, Master of None... Yet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:20:21 -0800 From: "BMWBits" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "2002digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "E21 Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "E9coupes BMW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Senior Six Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Sixer coupe Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Uucdigest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Shock & strut insert interchangeability Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is going to seem like a strange question to ask ...bear with me if I ramble on a bit (so what's new ?you ask ?). The design of all BMWs since the 1960s has involved some version of a Macpherson spring/strut up front and a tube-type shock and coil spring in the rear . BMW are NOT alone here (Macpherson worked for Ford in England when he first suggested the strut )..there are LOTS of cars using the same approach .. So , in a nutshell .....How many dimensional differences are there between the different strut inserts and shock diameters/lengths ? ..and how many applications will interchange ? Is there an Interchange guide out there similar to those the wrecking yards use to know which (motor..trans..diff etc ) will interchange into a particular car ? Coming from a long history in the Manufacturing / QA business I try to imagine how the folks at (Bilstein...Koni...Gabriel..Monroe ..) determine the variety within their product . Production machinery for millions of product requires 'standard sizes' for the input materials ...so are there only (say ) 3 or 4 different diameters of tubing used to make ALL strut inserts ?If different insert manufacturers have varying 'standard size' hardware ,how does that jive with the car mfrs strut-tube dia?the insert MUST fit into strut but not flop around while in there . How about length ? Rod diameter ? ...when I look at pix of strut inserts for (say ) 5 ,6 and 7 series BMWs (or Fords or VWs etc) they all look pretty-much the same (I KNOW 5 and 6 use some common inserts )..so will a 7 series insert fit in a 5-series strut-leg as an example ? -how about a 3-series insert ? If they'll fit in the strut body ..will they 'work' ? (as in attach to the strut-top bearing etc ? )....Whats the chances that a (toyota?..Mazda...Ford? ..etc ) insert will fit into some BMW struts ? (VW Rabbit inserts supposedly fit 2002s !!). Is there any data out there ? ..forget for now the question of damping ..just consider the physical 'fit' . Rear shocks , unless theyre in a spring/shock assembly (like the 320i and E3 ) are easier ...the diameter of the body is usually inconsequential as it is surrounded by air . But the length overall and the top-fitting style and dia determines whether it will physically fit . In days of yore I have used Sears shocks on the back of 2002s with great success . My reason for asking ? Ebay !! There are quite often NOS strut inserts (Konis , Bilsteins , etc ) show up there for what are silly prices ($49 a pair with NO bidders !!) but with very limited applications specified simply because those items are defined in some catalog as fitting ONLY that application . To quote Eliza Doolittle .."Wouldn�t it be luvverly " if we at least had a crossover list that told us what else theyd fit ?. Imagine a fleet of BMWs hurling about ,full of (Toyondazukisuzu, GM , Ford etc ) suspension bits on all corners ...or 7 series full of 3 series bits (or vice versa ) ..if only we knew ... The floor is open for discussion.... Bill Proud ,34 yrs putting specific shocks onto specific cars ..only !! Seattle Summers , Tennessee Winters . Long Commute between , ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:28:00 -0800 From: Jim Bassett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Warsteiner (Was Bangle article) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 11:27 AM 1/29/04, Malcolm Reitz talked about: >Sorta reminds me of the first trip I ever made to Houston. > >Me: "Well, I'm in Texas now, I think I should have a Lone Star beer." >Steakhouse waiter: "You really don't want to do that." >Me: "I don't?" >Waiter: "I'm a native Texan. Trust me, you don't." >Me: "I'll have a Corona, please." Right, like THAT'S any better. It's not beer if you can see through it. And don't get me started in limes - limes are for tequila, NOT beer. :-) Jim Bassett - amber ales, porters, stouts, etc. only need apply :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:39:26 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Warsteiner (Was Bangle article) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Right, like THAT'S any better. That's pretty damn funny..... > > It's not beer if you can see through it. Well, I wouldn't go that far. There are quite a few central european pilsners that are quite good. One of my faves, although it usually reaches the US skunky is Singha (correctly pronounced "Sing" BTW). Every now & then you get a good 6er, but you have to hold the open beer properly inverted in a glass of water (a tricky bit to learn) to get the formadehyde out. Yummy & over 6%. We drank this stuff on draft by the gallon in Thailand. Of course, can't count out wiessbiers, which most of my many, many German colleagues (what, Siemens has Germans?) seem to prefer. The best is living across the street from a Taco Mac....over 100 beers on draft. The bartenders who know me, just keep rotating me through good beers. Best of all, I only ever seem to get charged for about 1 out of 4......well that & the hot Brazilian bartender....well, it's probably not a bad thing that i can & do walk there & back > > And don't get me started in limes - limes are for tequila, NOT beer. One of our drives guys from Mexico drinks Corona & doesn't take a lime. He says the limes are for women, just like margaritas...... > > :-) > > Jim Bassett - amber ales, porters, stouts, etc. only need apply :-) Lee.....what time is it? Is it wrong to be craving at quarter 'til 9? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 07:12:29 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Allroad...not ground clearance Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Actually, my *REAL* requirement isn't about ground clearance, it's about loading height. Given the length of time that our household keeps cars, I'm planning that this car will, among other duties, serve as baby/child hauler in it's lifetime, and my wife is concerned about the constant bending to get a baby(ies) into a baby seat. With its suspension set at 3, it's a reasonable reach for her into the back seat of an Allroad, and the X5 being an "SAV" has the load height as well. I just figured I'd throw out the general topic of X5 vs Allroad to get peoples impressions, since those are our finalists (two "taller" cars that still perform). We've toured all other SUVs ('cept the Lexus 330) and nothing else works performance wise. There's a lot of talk on the Audi Forums about this topic, so I figured I'd check on the BMW side. If it weren't for the ride height/baby seat issue, we'd probably be in a 540it for general household grocery and mulch-getting. I generally don't see the need for all the hauling capacity and size that people buy (all the Suburban driving housewives in Dallas?). As for poor weather traction, my wife and I are perfectly happy with E36s and snow tires. I actually spent last Wed night cursing some Audi driver who was crawling home at 15 mph on back roads that I was comfortably rumbling along at 35 on. AWD does nothing without the right tires. Oh, and the Allroad can be lowered (in the cockpit) to have about the same ride height as the Avant. The height adjustable air suspension is pretty nifty. I just wonder how long it will last. Marc Plante E36 325i, 218k Vienna, VA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:45:05 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'UUCDigest'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Who was asking about a mid-life crisis car????? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=245604174 5 >From one of my aquaintences who's P.O.'d about the rules in favor of the new Caddies...... It may attract some attention from the local constables though Lee ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
