The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 21 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: <rant> autoextremist on BMW Re: autoextremist on BMW Re: <rant> autoextremist on BMW Re: <rant> autoextremist on BMW Re: <rant> autoextremist on BMW Re: <rant> autoextremist on BMW Re: <rant> autoextremist on BMW Re: <rant> butt ugly rear ends was <rant> autoextremist Re: <rant> butt ugly rear ends was <rant> autoextremist 1998 E39 523i Re: <rant> autoextremist on BMW GoodYear Eagle F1 GS-D3 <e36 M3> TAB time Re: [E36 M3] lifetime fluid replacement Spartanburg Delivery
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:35:11 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: <rant> autoextremist on BMW Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > It's unfortunate that there exists the possibility that the E36 & E39 will > be thought of as BMW's pinnacle. However, on their current path that's > where I'd have to stand. Is anyone else shocked by the statement above? I know I am, I thought for sure Lee would have thought the E30 M3 was the pinnacle of BMW... ;-) I know many think that. Later, Rich - thinks the E46 M3 and the E39 M5 are two of the best cars available....I can't afford either 95 M3 90 325is 89 325is ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:51:47 -0500 From: "Eurowerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: autoextremist on BMW Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What about the M1, or the Z8? I also have many, many articles that make it very clear that if it were not for the 2002, BMW probably would not be in existence in the USA today!!! Kirk A. Gilchrist EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 888-522-0271 toll free ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:24:01 -0600 From: "Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <rant> autoextremist on BMW Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Unfortunately, I have to agree with the article. The comments about the arrogance of the company I find especially interesting. Reminds me of the "myth of the six million." Lee, I suspect some here might argue that the pinnacle was reached sometime *before* the E36 or E39. :) In any case, I'm certainly not longing to trade my E39 for a new model. At this point, the next BMW for me would more likely be an E30, E28 or E34. Scott Staewen >It's unfortunate that there exists the possibility that the E36 & E39 will >be thought of as BMW's pinnacle. _________________________________________________________________ Choose now from 4 levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage - no more account overload! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:48:31 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Dennis Wynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <rant> autoextremist on BMW Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Dennis Wynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I much prefer the E46 to the E36 :-) Hey, we have a Bangle lover (guess who designed E46) in this group! Lets get him! ;-) > The sad part is that styling aside, the new Z4, 5, and 7 are better > than the cars they replaced. I MUCH prefer the Z4 looks to the tiny E30-inspired Z3. In fact, I love the Z4 looks: the sides and especially the 360-like tail. The long hood I could do without, but that would mess up the car's profile. So I'll take it. New 645i - love it too. 5 is growing on me. The long sides small greenhouse looked a little weird for at first. But the flip side is the extra side-impact protection from the SUVs. The 7 has grown on me too. And that (growing on you) is NOT a bad thing. I know I took a while to warm-up to the E36 look after the E30. > But with the odd exterior and interior looks and abominations like > the 7 series "i-drive" they turn off a lot of folks. Sorry guys, a retard could figure out how to use the i-drive. Sure, it's different. But it's not THAT hard. There are a few things I would not have included into i-drive (seat adjustment and radio selection). Otherwise, it not a bad idea. > I have heard the new 7 is selling really well. Is that because it > was a "new design" or is BMW just offering big incentives or lease > deals to move the cars? Maybe WE are the ones that are wrong :-)? What a concept! ;-) > Nah, no one could think the bubble butt 7 looks good... Sign me up. It looked very odd at first, but now I really like it. The long hood (I have a thing with those) and eye-brow headlights are still touch and go, but like 7's ass. And if you have an issue with 7's ass, I hope you are fair and equally repulsed by the E30M3 tail (same trunk over trunk treatment). At 10:35 AM 02/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > It's unfortunate that there exists the possibility that the E36 & E39 will > > be thought of as BMW's pinnacle. However, on their current path that's > > where I'd have to stand. > >Is anyone else shocked by the statement above? I know I am, I thought for >sure Lee would have thought the E30 M3 was the pinnacle of BMW... Can't be the E30M3 - that butt-ugly rear trunk treatment must have turned him off ;-) IMHO, alex f ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:56:03 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <rant> autoextremist on BMW Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > And if you have an issue with 7's ass, I hope you are fair and equally > repulsed by the E30M3 tail (same trunk over trunk treatment). I think they look different. The 7 doesn't go all the way to the sides, giving a kind of step-down look. The E30's reason for having it wasn't just because they discovered at the last minute that there wasn't enough trunk space......it was an integral part of the aerodynamics. > > > >Is anyone else shocked by the statement above? I know I am, > I thought for > >sure Lee would have thought the E30 M3 was the pinnacle of BMW... > > Can't be the E30M3 - that butt-ugly rear trunk treatment must > have turned > him off ;-) Obviously not as there's one in the garage. > > IMHO, > alex f ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:25:50 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'UUCDigest'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <rant> autoextremist on BMW Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Easy cougar, I'd say that you read a little more into this than I meant. I was only saying that for the McCar market, the E36 & E39's were better than the cars that came before them. In the Honda sense of the word. I think my fave fiver is the E12 due to the sleek lines, but I think it's hard for anyone to say that the E39 530i wasn't a really great car. Probably the best blend of features you'd want from a car like that. Good performance, ergronomics, usefulness, safety, design, etc. Same with the E36, although I think it's the worst looking 3 (coupes, not sedans) in recent memory & feels cheaper inside & out than the E30 cars that came before it (granted a tough act to follow--the E30's had a feel of durability & quality that not many car had). However, it sold REALLY well. It was the car BMW used to introduce the Z axle & Vanos to the masses. Both of which are good design implements. It's what folks think of when you say BMW, I think anyway. I think that the E46 is a serious step backwards. I never really drove an E36 that made my blood boil, but they were still a lot of fun. BMW's taken that completely out. I don't know if it's the weight or the huge tires they're using now or what, but all the E46's I've driven just weren't any fun to drive. Kinda just like a Honda, perfectly good at going about their business-even doing it very quickly, but with no real personailty. Yes, I think the E30 M3 is the most interesting car BMW made. In the mid-80's it was belting out nearly 100hp/L, due to some very high-end development & construction & had handling & braking to match. It's truly a special car & one the likes of which BMW will NEVER build again, but only true enthusiasts will ever even know it's out there. Kinda like th M1, which is a true BMW achievement, but I bet less than 1% of BMW owners (or motorists in general) would know it's a BMW if they saw it out. I can't think of a BMW I'd trade my M3 for, especially nothing new. The only car that might keep my interest in BMW similarly would be the E36 LTW, but in my mind that was a car built for someone who had the mindset as an E30M3 owner 5 years before. You're right Rich, I really dig the E39M5 for a daily driver. Maybe some day. As for the E46M3, it's just expensive fodder for Z06's. I still say they should've dropped the ALMS-based V8 in that, especially with it's somewhat portly 3500lb weight. Lee 88 M3->best damn BMW....however, this one's only driven in the course of creating mischief or to the track 01 Saab 9-3SE->driven daily & for long trips as that's what it's good for 87 325is->will replace above line as soon as the swedish taxi is gone > > > It's unfortunate that there exists the possibility that the > E36 & E39 will > > be thought of as BMW's pinnacle. However, on their current > path that's > > where I'd have to stand. > > Is anyone else shocked by the statement above? I know I am, I > thought for sure Lee would have thought the E30 M3 was the > pinnacle of BMW... > > ;-) > > I know many think that. > > Later, > > Rich - thinks the E46 M3 and the E39 M5 are two of the best > cars available....I can't afford either > > 95 M3 > 90 325is > 89 325is ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:34:09 -0500 From: "Eurowerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <rant> autoextremist on BMW Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > It's unfortunate that there exists the possibility that the E36 & E39 will > > be thought of as BMW's pinnacle. However, on their current path that's > > where I'd have to stand. > >Is anyone else shocked by the statement above? I know I am, I thought for >sure Lee would have thought the E30 M3 was the pinnacle of BMW... Can't be the E30M3 - that butt-ugly rear trunk treatment must have turned him off ;-) IMHO, alex f Oh blasphemy! You did not bash the E30 M3 on THIS forum did you???!!! :):):) I am sure that most of us read the club racing information in the latest ROUNDEL where Ron Cheeca's E30 M3 was thrashing ALL of the competition until he started playing with his MOTEC. Awesome to see that properly modified old cars can still beat the modified newer ones!!! Kirk A. Gilchrist EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 888-522-0271 toll free ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:54:27 -0800 From: jkerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <rant> butt ugly rear ends was <rant> autoextremist Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Re: [UUC] <rant> butt ugly 7 was <rant> autoextremist: What about sticking a big wing rear on it? Can you picture an E30//M3 without one? Then why not the new 7 with one? Barry >>And if you have an issue with 7's ass, I hope you are fair and equally >>repulsed by the E30M3 tail (same trunk over trunk treatment). >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:19:49 -0800 From: donna seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <rant> butt ugly rear ends was <rant> autoextremist Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You don't have to picture it - here's a shot I took during the Evo wing install: http://s95267988.onlinehome.us/images/E30M3_Banglebutt.jpg Gack! Donna -- Project Manager for hire http://s95267988.onlinehome.us/DSeeley_resume.htm > On 2/12/04 1:54 PM, "jkerouac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Re: [UUC] <rant> butt ugly 7 was <rant> autoextremist: > > What about sticking a big wing rear on it? Can you picture an E30//M3 > without one? Then why not the new 7 with one? > Barry > >>> And if you have an issue with 7's ass, I hope you are fair and equally >>> repulsed by the E30M3 tail (same trunk over trunk treatment). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:37:01 -0000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 1998 E39 523i Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Folks, I am in the process of buying a 1998 e39 523i... It has 80000 miles on it? Is there anything that I need to look out for with this? Is there any parts that need replacing, etc? I heard that the water pump , thermostat and viscous coupling may need to be replaced... Cheers, Eddie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:01:37 -0600 From: Dennis Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <rant> autoextremist on BMW Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I much prefer the E46 to the E36 :-) The sad part is that styling aside, the new Z4, 5, and 7 are better than the cars they replaced. But with the odd exterior and interior looks and abominations like the 7 series "i-drive" they turn off a lot of folks. I have heard the new 7 is selling really well. Is that because it was a "new design" or is BMW just offering big incentives or lease deals to move the cars? Maybe WE are the ones that are wrong :-) ? Nah, no one could think the bubble butt 7 looks good... Dennis 01 M5 silver/black At 10:35 AM 02/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > It's unfortunate that there exists the possibility that the E36 & E39 will > > be thought of as BMW's pinnacle. However, on their current path that's > > where I'd have to stand. > >Is anyone else shocked by the statement above? I know I am, I thought for >sure Lee would have thought the E30 M3 was the pinnacle of BMW... > >;-) > >I know many think that. > >Later, > >Rich - thinks the E46 M3 and the E39 M5 are two of the best cars >available....I can't afford either > >95 M3 >90 325is >89 325is > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:22:03 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Cliff James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: GoodYear Eagle F1 GS-D3 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Adding my $0.02 worth. My daily commuter is a 2000 E46 328i, sp,pp, 5sp. I have had the D3's on my car for about 23K. Tread depth looks great and I should get another 10K out of these tires. I have about 70% highway during my commute of 37 miles. I'm running 225/45-17. These tires have been the BEST I have had on this car. There seems to be no trade offs for me. Great grip in wet and dry, and the most quiet tire I have experienced. Tread life seems to be good, and I have not rotated them as religiously as I should. I don't track this car, but I don't drive in Geezer mode either. Tempted to go to Barber's Motorsports Park when the HOD chapter of BMW CCA has a DE. I advise not to go cheap. I let a tire dealer, whom I don't use any more, talk me into some Sumitomo HTZR's and regretted it within 5K. They were NOISY and I had to live with that roar for the duration of the treadlife, which fortunately was not very long! I will be going back to the D3's, but am looking to upgrade to 18" wheels. Cliff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:54:01 +0700 From: "Sean Cordone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: <e36 M3> TAB time Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, it's definitely time to do the trailing arm bushings on the M3. I'm thinking I'll install the bushing shims this time- what's the consensus: are they worth it for a street car? Any difference between the Ground Control and TMS products? Thanks all --SC -- _____________________________________________________________ Web-based SMS services available at http://www.operamail.com. >From your mailbox to local or overseas cell phones. Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:36:20 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [E36 M3] lifetime fluid replacement Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 2/12/04 12:19 PM, "Mike Gambini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I recently bought a 1999 M3, with 64K miles, and am trying to perform all > the maintenance it may or may not have had. The differential and 5sp tranny > specify lifetime fluid, which I think is a crock. Welcome to the club - both of M3 owners, and of those who think lifetime fluid is a crock. But I repeat myself. Mobil 1 ATF works a treat in the manual transmission, which specifies ATF. You can use more costly fluids there, but there's no demonstrated benefit. It holds somewhat less than 2 quarts. Whatever lube you use for the diff needs to have a friction modifier for the LSD. Since my dealer uses a BMW synthetic lube for this, I have him do it. Otherwise there's a Redline product you can get. I change those fluids every year, but my car sees track time. I'd think every 2-3 years for average use would be ample, depending on how and where you drive. Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:13:29 -0500 From: Joseph Lerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: uuc digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Spartanburg Delivery Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, I'll be picking up my E46 M3 at the Performance Center, and have a few questions for anybody who has done this. 1. Anybody able to get a nonstop flight from the NY area? Really do not want to fly to Dallas first. 2. Was your guest able to do all the activities with you, what do they do during your track time? 3. How long was the track time? Any help is appreciated. Thanks Joseph ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
